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Moulds is in a tiff with management, and I have to side with him. Mularky and Donahoe are tools, and his benching last week was :bs:

Honestly, if it helps the Bills to lose out and clean house (management AND coaching), I'm all for it, but I fear in reality Bills fans are in for more of the same crap next year.

Here's a link, I also heard this on the Channel 4 (CBS) Wake Up show this morning.

http://wgr550.com/bills/fullstory.php?id=1261

Will Eric Moulds Be Suspended?

Jeremy White - Jerk - Wednesday, December 7, 2005 - 6:49 AM

As WGR reported yesterday, the Buffalo Bills could be talking about a suspension of WR Eric Moulds.

The Buffalo News is now reporting that Mike Mularkey wants to make the move, but that the decision lies with Ralph Wilson.

The Bills are within their rights to suspend a player for 4 games for "conduct detrimental to the team".

Moulds was benched during parts of the Miami game, and spoke critically of the gameplan after the loss as well.

The Bills will speak with the media today...so stay tuned to WGR for more details.
 
Ar you kidding? IMO, he went out of his way NOT to make a public mess with the organization.Mularky and Donahoe are the cancers. If I was a player, I'd be a lot more vocal than he was. He didn't even make a direct comment in public aside from stating that they were in crazy spread formations in the Miami game when they probably should have been running the ball.

Was it an indirect slam, sure, but I've heard MUCH MUCH worse from players. Moulds isn't going to be back next year, and the team, IMO, is trying to now make a scapegoat out of him, they do it to a player every year with the current management.

The Bills have BIG BIG problems, and they start moreso at the top and with the coaches than with the players.

Imagine yourself as a Free Agent in the off-season, would you come play for these tools? Buffalo has to now rank 31 or 32 amongst potential FA's for teams to sign with. The organizational structure and management are THAT bad.

 
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Bill are a mess - rivaling the mess that is the New York Jets.New England is going to destroy them in front of their own fans this weekend.

 
If a player spouts off he should be suspended for 4 games! They need to learn to play hard and keep their mouths shut!

 
If a player spouts off he should be suspended for 4 games! They need to learn to play hard and keep their mouths shut!
How do you play hard when you're on the bench?
 
If a player spouts off he should be suspended for 4 games! They need to learn to play hard and keep their mouths shut!
How do you play hard when you're on the bench?
there is that and also the need to actually put 11 players on the field at a time...
 
FF implications: More targets for Lee Evans and a great opportunity to shine down the stretch. This week: New England, worst pass D in the NFL.

 
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How do you play hard when you're on the bench?
When a player is as talented as Moulds, the idea is to keep from getting placed on the bench. What, you think the coaches just put a guy with his ability on the bench because he was making some faces at them? I'd say there are issues with his performance & effort.
 
FF implications: More targets for Lee Evans and a great opportunity to shine down the stretch.
As an Evans owner, I can't really say I'm too sorry to see this kind of news.
 
FF implications: More targets for Lee Evans and a great opportunity to shine down the stretch.
Why? Losman doesn't even look at Moulds. I would think a different WR may get some balls.
 
Ar you kidding? IMO, he went out of his way NOT to make a public mess with the organization.Mularky and Donahoe are the cancers.
Agreed. Based on the stuff I'm reading in the Buffalo-area papers, it sounds like Mularky has lost this team. I'm hoping he won't be back next year.
 
FF implications: More targets for Lee Evans and a great opportunity to shine down the stretch.

This week: New England, worst pass D in the NFL.
:thumbup: Ok by me... I just picked Evans up last week before his monster game. Need a another big game this week to win my first playoff game.
 
If a player spouts off he should be suspended for 4 games! They need to learn to play hard and keep their mouths shut!
they're still human.The average boss in america is probably praised once a week and called a sonofa once a week. Mularkey really should get some thicker skin. From what I read, he didn't even get it that bad.

If I were a Bills fan, I'd be upset if he didn't complain. You wants guys that are dying to play and do their best for their team.

Admittedly if Meshawn said this I'd be agreeing with ya DaGuru but Moulds doesn't strike me as a whiner so for whatever reason I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt here.

Remember Keyshawn published a book that sold tons of copies that complained about him not getting the ball. In this line of thinking(this thread+state of NFL) he should have been suspended for a few years for that. Well, he wasn't.

 
How do you play hard when you're on the bench?
When a player is as talented as Moulds, the idea is to keep from getting placed on the bench. What, you think the coaches just put a guy with his ability on the bench because he was making some faces at them? I'd say there are issues with his performance & effort.
He has issues with the coaches and management, and up until this point had kept it out of the press. Word is he's tried resolving things internally but it fell on deaf ears. A guy can take only so much. Personally, I don't think he's said much publically either, certainly not enough to warrant a suspension.And the real problem is, that he is RIGHT. The current coaching staff is as bad as Gregg Williams was, and Donahoe is a complete Tool. If I was a long term vet, and they were scapegoating me, I'd speak up too.

Spend some time listening to the doublespeak and insults laid out by the coaches and management of this team. They don't respect the players, and they certainly don't respect the fans. When your GM calls fans that question the direction of the team "jerks", that is not a good thing. Especially when it spews forth from the same idiot who said he was "embarrased" to be a part of this community a couple years back on the day he announced the Gregg Williams firing. Folks in Buffalo are finally starting to realize the trainwreck the team is, and it starts with Donahoe and his piss poor ability to find good coaches and draft the right players.

I back Moulds 100% on this one. Personally, I'd be way more vocal myself.

 
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FF implications: More targets for Lee Evans and a great opportunity to shine down the stretch.

This week: New England, worst pass D in the NFL.
:thumbup: Ok by me... I just picked Evans up last week before his monster game. Need a another big game this week to win my first playoff game.
Points against:Losman has never played Bellichick before

Losman has very few career starts thus probably difficulty to read Ds

NE has the ability to blitz from multiple directions/positions

A Moulds suspension rolls coverage automatically to Evans as opposed to Reed/Parrish

McGahee runs like a old lady these days - only seven in the box should suffice

Points for:

Losman is mobile

The NE secondary sucks

I'd be hesitant to depend on Losman's success against NE this week (in one league I have to, though)

 
Ar you kidding? IMO, he went out of his way NOT to make a public mess with the organization.Mularky and Donahoe are the cancers.
Agreed. Based on the stuff I'm reading in the Buffalo-area papers, it sounds like Mularky has lost this team. I'm hoping he won't be back next year.
:goodposting:
There's a few problems with that, namely that Ralph Wilson doesn't like buying out the contracts of his coaches/management. Mularkey are under contract through at least next season, and Donahoe just signed a contract extension this offseason...This is exactly like when Reuben Brown called out Gilbride for the playcalling a few years back. Gilbride was fired in the offseason, and Brown ended up following him out the door...

If an aging Moulds whose best days are behind him is all we have to lose to get a coach who knows what he's doing in here, its a small price to pay imo, but I doubt Wilson will shell out the cash to get rid of them.

 
GB Eric Moulds. Someone needs to tell those clowns what is up.

Mularkey is a putz.
AgreeIf I remember correctly there have been leaks from the coaching staff on Moulds having lost a step etc. Hardly a good way to handle the situation, maybe the team is not all Mularkey has lost control of.

With the right coach, a little OL help and better qb play the Bills could come back strong in 2006

 
Wilson doesn't have much time left and wants to win badly. The Buffalo News suggested that Donahoe could be fired after this year. If they don't keep some continuity with Modrak taking over, then I wouldn't be totally surprised if the new GM was allowed to pick his own coach.I would seriously consider firing Mularkey over the Miami game alone.

 
FF implications: More targets for Lee Evans and a great opportunity to shine down the stretch.

This week: New England, worst pass D in the NFL.
Well ... that would be SF actually.
 
Ar you kidding? IMO, he went out of his way NOT to make a public mess with the organization.Mularky and Donahoe are the cancers.
Agreed. Based on the stuff I'm reading in the Buffalo-area papers, it sounds like Mularky has lost this team. I'm hoping he won't be back next year.
:goodposting:
There's a few problems with that, namely that Ralph Wilson doesn't like buying out the contracts of his coaches/management. Mularkey are under contract through at least next season, and Donahoe just signed a contract extension this offseason...This is exactly like when Reuben Brown called out Gilbride for the playcalling a few years back. Gilbride was fired in the offseason, and Brown ended up following him out the door...

If an aging Moulds whose best days are behind him is all we have to lose to get a coach who knows what he's doing in here, its a small price to pay imo, but I doubt Wilson will shell out the cash to get rid of them.
You're correct on the contract thing. Unfortunately, I believe Mularky has 2-3 years left on his deal. Reportedly Donahoe only got a year extension, so that's not as big a deal.I'd love to see Ralph reassign them and ride out their contracts. Stadium cleanup crew sounds about right to me!

 
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Wilson doesn't have much time left and wants to win badly. The Buffalo News suggested that Donahoe could be fired after this year. If they don't keep some continuity with Modrak taking over, then I wouldn't be totally surprised if the new GM was allowed to pick his own coach.

I would seriously consider firing Mularkey over the Miami game alone.
:hot: Somebody needs to be ####### fired for that #### eating performance!! :hot:
 
Wilson doesn't have much time left and wants to win badly. The Buffalo News suggested that Donahoe could be fired after this year. If they don't keep some continuity with Modrak taking over, then I wouldn't be totally surprised if the new GM was allowed to pick his own coach.

I would seriously consider firing Mularkey over the Miami game alone.
Aside from saving money, nothing is gained by continuity with this staff. Mularky has lost his team less than 2 years into his tenure, and the front office has demonstrated no ability to draft well, Modrak included.If Donahoe gets canned, and Modrak is given the job, I think we're in for more of the same the next few years.

Unfortunately, it appears (to me at least), that this organization totally needs to clean house... again.

 
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I think that this is exactlly a mess as a result of the TO debacle. If it is not for the Eagles suspending TO, then the Bills handle this differently. Perhaps just a simple benching or a fine and a tounge lashing, but TO has layed the ground work to suspend players for viocing their opinions. I mean seariously, Moulds has been a great player and leader for the Bills for years, so it is not like he is out there shooting his mouth off all the time. I did not see or hear what moulds has said about the teaem, but it you think about it, do you really think that it is justified for players speaking up about their opinions of what is happening? Imagine you get sent home from work for a month becuase you think your boss made a bad call and you say so. Add in that you have been working there for 10 + years .... sounds a lil f'ed up to me. And this is not a rookie that we are talking about, Moulds has been a team player and a key member of the orginization for a long time. Does anyone have a trascript or article about what Moulds said in the first place that caused the benching and lead up to the possible suspension? <parahprase is fine> what is this big thing all about?

 
GB Eric Moulds. Someone needs to tell those clowns what is up.

Mularkey is a putz.
AgreeIf I remember correctly there have been leaks from the coaching staff on Moulds having lost a step etc. Hardly a good way to handle the situation, maybe the team is not all Mularkey has lost control of.

With the right coach, a little OL help and better qb play the Bills could come back strong in 2006
:goodposting: and I agree .... but if it has the potential to cost him 4 game checks, that would just down right suck.
 
If a player spouts off he should be suspended for 4 games! They need to learn to play hard and keep their mouths shut!
Then the team cuts them when they don't want them anymore. The NFL is starting to have some serious problems because these suspensions are only going to be more frequent. The players are expected to be quiet, not say anything negative, take lesser deals to help the team while the team makes plenty of money off these players and coaches bad mouth players to the press.People bad mouth their company all the time but the difference between us and the NFL is the media coverage. If we had the same media coverage they do then there would be a ton of people in trouble in the business world.

 
How do you play hard when you're on the bench?
When a player is as talented as Moulds, the idea is to keep from getting placed on the bench. What, you think the coaches just put a guy with his ability on the bench because he was making some faces at them? I'd say there are issues with his performance & effort.
From what I've read I think PonyBoy is on track here with Moulds not giving good effort. This could be born out of the fact that BUF is out of the playoff race, appears that they will cut release Moulds after this season so they don't have to pay him the $12? million that they will owe him next year since he's dropped off in production and I'm not surprised if Moulds is trying not to get injured in games that are meaningless to him and the team. I hope Steve Tasker gets the broadcast of this week's game vs NE. He would have the best access to the inside details of this story and it could be a huge trend for teams suspending players following the example of the Eagles with TO.

 
Wilson doesn't have much time left and wants to win badly. The Buffalo News suggested that Donahoe could be fired after this year. If they don't keep some continuity with Modrak taking over, then I wouldn't be totally surprised if the new GM was allowed to pick his own coach.

I would seriously consider firing Mularkey over the Miami game alone.
Aside from saving money, nothing is gained by continuity with this staff. Mularky has lost his team less than 2 years into his tenure, and the front office has deomnstrated no ability to draft well, Modrak included.If Donahoe gets canned, and Modrak is given the job, I think we're in for more of the same the next few years.

Unfortunately, ir appears to me at least, that this organization totally needs to clean house... again.
Rumor is that Donahoe tried to give up the "General Manager" title to Modrak in the offseason and remain as just the "President" but Modrak declined to take it. I don't know what would happen if Donahoe were out of the picture, but I'd imagine if the two of them are up there playing title swap that they both have a lot of say in what goes on personnell wise and that replacing Donahoe with Modrak wouldn't mean a whole lot.
 
How do you play hard when you're on the bench?
When a player is as talented as Moulds, the idea is to keep from getting placed on the bench. What, you think the coaches just put a guy with his ability on the bench because he was making some faces at them? I'd say there are issues with his performance & effort.
You don't think players get less playing time or benched because the coach doesn't like what they did? You are kidding me right? It happens.
 
the front office has deomnstrated no ability to draft well, Modrak included.
I disagree.McGahee turned out to be a brilliant pick. Losman looks like he could be a good one as well. Then, you also have to give them credit for Lee Evans, Aaron Schobel, Nate Clements, Terence McGee, Angelo Crowell, Brian Moorman, Jason Peters, Jonas JenningsObviously, Donahoe missed badly on Mike Williams and did a terrible job in hiring his first coach (and now it appears his second one didn't go much better), but most of the high picks have turned out pretty well so far. I don't think drafting well has been the problem for this team.I also still like the coaching staff that Mularkey has put together. I just think he has a tendency to screw everything up with his playcalling in short yardage situations.
 
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I think that this is exactlly a mess as a result of the TO debacle.

If it is not for the Eagles suspending TO, then the Bills handle this differently. Perhaps just a simple benching or a fine and a tounge lashing, but TO has layed the ground work to suspend players for viocing their opinions.

I mean seariously, Moulds has been a great player and leader for the Bills for years, so it is not like he is out there shooting his mouth off all the time.

I did not see or hear what moulds has said about the teaem, but it you think about it, do you really think that it is justified for players speaking up about their opinions of what is happening? Imagine you get sent home from work for a month becuase you think your boss made a bad call and you say so. Add in that you have been working there for 10 + years .... sounds a lil f'ed up to me.

And this is not a rookie that we are talking about, Moulds has been a team player and a key member of the orginization for a long time.

Does anyone have a trascript or article about what Moulds said in the first place that caused the benching and lead up to the possible suspension? <parahprase is fine> what is this big thing all about?
Agree!There wouldn't be anybody left to play if they suspended every player that answered a reporters question about their teams performance.

 
BTW should Mularky be suspended because he said McGahee isn't giving full effort? If McGahee said that Mularky wasn't putting in full effort into the game plan that would be viewed different I bet.

 
FF implications: More targets for Lee Evans and a great opportunity to shine down the stretch.
Yeah, that's what Peerless Price thought he'd do -- shine --- when he was without Moulds. We all know how that worked out. Defenses don't fear/respect Josh Reed or Sam Aiken, folks. If anything, despite getting a few more tagets, this hurts Evans' value, IMO.
 
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the front office has deomnstrated no ability to draft well, Modrak included.
I disagree.McGahee turned out to be a brilliant pick. Losman looks like he could be a good one as well. Then, you also have to give them credit for Lee Evans, Aaron Schobel, Nate Clements, Terence McGee, Angelo Crowell, Brian Moorman, Jason Peters, Jonas Jennings

Obviously, Donahoe missed badly on Mike Williams and did a terrible job in hiring his first coach (and now it appears his second one didn't go much better), but most of the high picks have turned out pretty well so far. I don't think drafting well has been the problem for this team.

I also still like the coaching staff that Mularkey has put together. I just think he has a tendency to screw everything up with his playcalling in short yardage situations.
Peters wasn't drafted....great personnel move. I don't know if Moorman was drafted either, I don't think he was. The Bills are a wreck. Donohoe needs to go, Mularkey might need to go too. I'm sick of missing the playoffs every year and this team is going nowhere.Edit - spelling

 
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Lee Evans is no Peerless Price.
I hope you're right. If fact my whole season unfortunately depends upon it. I do think there should be some worry that DEF's will double up Evans. I guess we need to know what happened to Evans when Moulds was pulled. I've heard that Evan's role is as the deep threat but not the whole enchilada where he is the go to guy short and long. Did this change with Moulds out last week and what was the game situation when it occurred?

Target stats show Evans 1st QTR:

field position/result

opp46/catch 46 yds TD

own44/catch 56 yds TD

own24/incomplete

opp4/catch 4 yds TD

2nd QTR

own43/catch 3 yds

3rd QTR

own25/incomplete

own39/catch 8 yds

4th QTR

own15/incomplete

own44/incomplete

when was Moulds pulled?

 
I think Evans lack of production after the first quarter has a lot more to do with the inability of the Bills to do anything after the first few series of a game on offense than Moulds not being on the field...

 
I think Evans lack of production after the first quarter has a lot more to do with the inability of the Bills to do anything after the first few series of a game on offense than Moulds not being on the field...
Can't disagree with you there.
 
the front office has deomnstrated no ability to draft well, Modrak included.
I disagree.McGahee turned out to be a brilliant pick. Losman looks like he could be a good one as well. Then, you also have to give them credit for Lee Evans, Aaron Schobel, Nate Clements, Terence McGee, Angelo Crowell, Brian Moorman, Jason Peters, Jonas Jennings

Obviously, Donahoe missed badly on Mike Williams and did a terrible job in hiring his first coach (and now it appears his second one didn't go much better), but most of the high picks have turned out pretty well so far. I don't think drafting well has been the problem for this team.

I also still like the coaching staff that Mularkey has put together. I just think he has a tendency to screw everything up with his playcalling in short yardage situations.
Peters wasn't drafted....great personnel move. I don't know if Moorman was drafted either, I don't think he was. The Bills are a wreck. Donohoe needs to go, Mularkey might need to go too. I'm sick of missing the playoffs every year and this team is going nowhere.Edit - spelling
picking out players to sign as undrafted free agents is the same thing as drafting...in fact, they were smart enough not to waste draft picks on these guys if they didn't have to. Prior to the draft, I thought Peters would likely get drafted by somebody. I'm just saying that I don't really think player evaluation has been the Bills main problem. For any free agent misses they've had, they also deserve big props for letting Cowart go and bringing in London Fletcher, keeping Moulds and letting Marcelus Wiley leave to sign a huge deal in San Diego, stealing Takeo Spikes from the Bengals, and robbing the Falcons in the Peerless Price trade.
 
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the front office has deomnstrated no ability to draft well, Modrak included.
I disagree.McGahee turned out to be a brilliant pick. Losman looks like he could be a good one as well. Then, you also have to give them credit for Lee Evans, Aaron Schobel, Nate Clements, Terence McGee, Angelo Crowell, Brian Moorman, Jason Peters, Jonas Jennings

Obviously, Donahoe missed badly on Mike Williams and did a terrible job in hiring his first coach (and now it appears his second one didn't go much better), but most of the high picks have turned out pretty well so far. I don't think drafting well has been the problem for this team.

I also still like the coaching staff that Mularkey has put together. I just think he has a tendency to screw everything up with his playcalling in short yardage situations.
Peters wasn't drafted....great personnel move. I don't know if Moorman was drafted either, I don't think he was. The Bills are a wreck. Donohoe needs to go, Mularkey might need to go too. I'm sick of missing the playoffs every year and this team is going nowhere.Edit - spelling
picking out players to sign as undrafted free agents is the same thing as drafting...in fact, they were smart enough not to waste draft picks on these guys if they didn't have to. Prior to the draft, I thought Peters would likely get drafted by somebody. I'm just saying that I don't really think player evaluation has been the Bills main problem. For any free agent misses they've had, they also deserve big props for letting Cowart go and bringing in London Fletcher, keeping Moulds and letting Marcelus Wiley leave to sign a huge deal in San Diego, stealing Takeo Spikes from the Bengals, and robbing the Falcons in the Peerless Price trade.
I don't know if you can talk about all the great personnell moves the organization has made without mentioning that they've completely busted on the offensive line. They've spent 1 high draft pick on those positions in Donahoe's tenure and his FA acquisitions that were supposed to fill the gaps have been terrible as well.
 
the front office has deomnstrated no ability to draft well, Modrak included.
I disagree.McGahee turned out to be a brilliant pick. Losman looks like he could be a good one as well. Then, you also have to give them credit for Lee Evans, Aaron Schobel, Nate Clements, Terence McGee, Angelo Crowell, Brian Moorman, Jason Peters, Jonas Jennings

Obviously, Donahoe missed badly on Mike Williams and did a terrible job in hiring his first coach (and now it appears his second one didn't go much better), but most of the high picks have turned out pretty well so far. I don't think drafting well has been the problem for this team.

I also still like the coaching staff that Mularkey has put together. I just think he has a tendency to screw everything up with his playcalling in short yardage situations.
Peters wasn't drafted....great personnel move. I don't know if Moorman was drafted either, I don't think he was. The Bills are a wreck. Donohoe needs to go, Mularkey might need to go too. I'm sick of missing the playoffs every year and this team is going nowhere.Edit - spelling
picking out players to sign as undrafted free agents is the same thing as drafting...in fact, they were smart enough not to waste draft picks on these guys if they didn't have to. Prior to the draft, I thought Peters would likely get drafted by somebody. I'm just saying that I don't really think player evaluation has been the Bills main problem. For any free agent misses they've had, they also deserve big props for letting Cowart go and bringing in London Fletcher, keeping Moulds and letting Marcelus Wiley leave to sign a huge deal in San Diego, stealing Takeo Spikes from the Bengals, and robbing the Falcons in the Peerless Price trade.
I don't know if you can talk about all the great personnell moves the organization has made without mentioning that they've completely busted on the offensive line. They've spent 1 high draft pick on those positions in Donahoe's tenure and his FA acquisitions that were supposed to fill the gaps have been terrible as well.
Agreed. Donahoe isn't perfect (what GM in the NFL is?) and the offensive line has been a huge sore spot for awhile now. Jonas Jennings was a 3rd round pick that worked out pretty well. I think most Bills fans would agree that they made the right move in getting rid of Reuben Brown despite his yearly trip to Honolulu.My point is that if you look at all of the moves/signings/draft picks Donahoe has made during his time in Buffalo, I think he's doing better than at least 2/3 of other NFL GMs around the league. He hits on a pretty good percentage. Bringing in Jim McNally was supposed to have a big turnaround on the offensive line...it showed signs of happening last year, but hasn't worked out that well this year for whatever reason.

I wouldn't have a problem with blowing things up, but I'm not sure there's a GM and coach out there we can get that is going to do things any better. I feel like we already missed out on our chance to get a great coach when we passed on Marvin Lewis and John Fox. Those chances don't come around very often.

 
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So who gets Moulds looks (besides Evans) now that he is out? And does that WR have any FF value?
My guess would be Sam Aiken, but they were also really trying to get Roscoe Parrish involved a lot last week.
 
Man, it must suck to be a Bills fan. What a disaster of a Franchise. Losman has shown flashes, but I am far from convinced. Their "best RB in the NFL" is an above average RB that is not near the league of LT2, S Alex or Tiki.A joke of a coach and terrible management in general. Curious to see how the mess this draft up.

 

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