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"disaster of a franchise"?"terrible management"?
how do you figure?
Koya
Footballguy
It just seems their personnel decisions and game management have been pretty bad. Granted, Im a little over the top here trying to stir the pot - but I didnt like the Losman pick and do not think he will be a very good QB (could be wrong), and their choice of McGahee when they had a team that could compete perhaps for a SB at the time when they had other needs really made me wonder.If they are going to suspend Moulds, who has been their best player for years, for something like this (unless there is something we do not know about the situation) then I have to start wondering about this franchise as a whole.
So, maybe I was over the top or a jumping the gun - but I see some bad signs up there... beginning with the draft picks and choosing Losman to start the season (well, getting rid of Bledsoe too early as well)
Losman looks good to me.McGahee was a great draft pick.
Moulds has not been suspended yet. He ripped the coaching staff and Mularkey WANTS to suspend him, but the owner Ralph Wilson has the final say and he will meet with Moulds on Thursday at the earliest before making his decision. Moulds has never been afraid to speak his mind when he grows frustrated with the coaching staff and game plans. Mularkey is in serious danger of losing the team for good, so I'm guessing this is just a desperate attempt by him to try and save face. What Wilson decides could determine Mularkey's fate in Buffalo as Wilson reportedly likes Mularkey.
This team was not going to the playoffs this year with the way our defense has been playing. I'd rather have a promising young QB in place for the future than a washed up Drew Bledsoe hanging on for one last chance to fail miserably.
I've said this before, but this team already has a very solid young core of talent in place. They are not far from being a strong playoff contender if they could get some better coaching and improved play from the offensive and defensive lines.
IIRC, Roscoe mostly lined up in the slot. Aiken is Moulds' backup.
I agree, on the surface, it looks like Donahoe has done a good job. The McGahee pick looks brilliant right now, with Travis Henry netting the team a 3rd round pick while he's dealing with a drug suspension. Takeo Spikes/Fletcher were solid moves that improved the defense. The Price trade...
The bottom line though, is that the team is 30-46 since Donahoe has taken over, and hasn't made the playoffs in 5 years. What other teams in the NFL haven't made the playoffs over that same period? What other teams have a worse record?
Sure, Donahoe's moves don't look too terrible on the surface, but underneath, he's got to be doing something wrong or this team would have more than 1 season over .500 in the past 5 years and might have made the playoffs.
The first couple of seasons Donahoe was here, he had the excuse of poor cap management from the prior GM. That was legit, and Donahoe did have to dig the team out of "cap jail" (I hate that term). Since then, he hasn't had any of those things imposed on him, and still hasn't gotten the job done.
If Donahoe has done such a great job, how come the Bills still can't make the playoffs?
Koya
Footballguy
Back when they took McGahee, I thought they had a Super Bowl contending team. Now, I dont know what to expect, but I have a feeling it wont be very good.You know the details of this team more than I do, so I'm glad you have optimism. But from afar, it doesnt look good to me, that is just my opinion.
McGahee doesnt seem to have the heart, nor the uber skill (though he is a very good back, or rather could be) to be a franchise. I have always felt he was overated and although he was beginning to change my mind some toward the end of last year, Im right back at "meh"
Okay, why is it that people think it is okay for a player to publicly rake his team & its management?If a person has a beef with his boss, or with company policy, he either talks to his boss about it, talks to his boss's supervisor about it, or he talks to the union about it. But if that same person has a beef & goes public with it & rakes the company, is there anyone who thinks that person wouldn't be summarily fired? What world do you folks live in? What T.O. did was wrong, and what Moulds did was wrong. Period. Moulds circumvented the chain of command and he publicly smeared the company - and he consciously chose to do so. Any consequences brought down on his head are strictly through his own actions - and that doesn't matter whether you agree with his viewpoint or not.
I believe the thought is that this was an internal issue for the first part of the season, and that Moulds got tired of
and took it to the media. Still, he probably shouldn't have done that, but you can see his frustration. Also, I don't see this as anything near a TO situation.
the same team that won the Super Bowl in 3 of the past 4 years plays in their division and the AFC is stronger now than it has probably ever been. There are 16 teams in the AFC and only 6 make the playoffs each year. It's nowhere near as easy to make the postseason as it used to be.EDIT TO ADD: The Jets and Dolphins were also very good over the past 4 or 5 years.
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PER ROTOWIRE:According to an ESPN.com report, the Bills are expected to suspend WR Eric Moulds.Moulds and coach Mike Mularkey met earlier this week to discuss his lack of involvement in Sunday's game, and the meeting must not have gone very well. With just 511 yards on 54 catches this season, Moulds has been a major disappointment after a bounceback year in 2004. Source: ESPN.com
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Moulds didn't really "rip" the team in public. He was very careful with his comments to the media. It is my understanding that Mularkey wants to suspend him for things said behind closed doors.After 10 years with the team, Moulds is a leader of this team and has every right to speak up when he disagrees with how things are being done. If a QB like Peyton Manning or Donovan McNabb questioned their coaches decisions, it would be a non-story.
Comparing his actions to those of someone like TO is a joke, IMO. TO tries to glorify himself with everything he does while all Moulds cares about is winning.
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I have no doubt he was frustrated. That's okay. He chose the wrong way to deal with it, and now he's going to suffer the penalty for doing so. It's not the way he feels that is the issue, it's how he went about dealing with it. It's about being an adult and making mature thoughtful decisions. He instead lashed out in a very public way at the company who signs his checks. He's reaping what he has sown.I believe the thought is that this was an internal issue for the first part of the season, and that Moulds got tired of
It's true that we've gotten to the point that the inmates run the asylum or try to (the NBA is the worst but they're trying to change that). The press begs the players to comment on what happened. Sometimes the players version differs from the coaches version. I think the players need to keep their mouths shut about coaching decisions. However, I also think it wrong for the coaches to bash a players performance publicly and the coaches need to keep their mouths shut too. How many bosses do you have that will issue a press release saying that the reason the company lost was that you screwed up or were not good enough or didn't try hard enough? It's wrong even if they are the boss. Options for the player are pretty limited since they can't quit and go hire onto a competitor. The weak NFLPA agreement doesn't give the players any options. A contract is only enforcable by the team and not the player. Moulds has a contract for next year but they will release him and terminate the contract. Now, their trying to save some money by suspending him since they are out of the playoff picture. Cheap, unloyal bastards.
Men-in-Cleats
Footballguy
I don't like this talk of the Eagles/TO situation being talked about as a bad thing because of the precedent. Thanks to TO being one of the biggest asses in league history we were going to be stuck with a bad precedent either way. If things go one way you have the team unleashing on the player and giving the idea to other franchises while if they go the other direction they leave a precedent for other team cancers and me-first players to undermine their teams, its management, and getting rewarded for it via instant free agency. We were going to have a bad precedent set either way thanks to that loudmouth pile of dung. I personally would rather see the owners being handed a bit more power than the players. Seldom do things go well when the players are calling the shots and the management has lost control.
link to him lashing out?His comments to the media after the game on Sunday are posted at BuffaloBills.com in an audio clip. I don't think he said anything that would warrant a suspension.I have no doubt he was frustrated. That's okay. He chose the wrong way to deal with it, and now he's going to suffer the penalty for doing so. It's not the way he feels that is the issue, it's how he went about dealing with it. It's about being an adult and making mature thoughtful decisions. He instead lashed out in a very public way at the company who signs his checks. He's reaping what he has sown.I believe the thought is that this was an internal issue for the first part of the season, and that Moulds got tired of
Not really sure what you're talking about here at all.
Moulds questioned why the team didn't run the ball more in the 2nd half...just like every Bills fan in the world.Mularkey lost that game, plain and simple and now he can't take the heat.
Koya
Footballguy
Ever hear about punishment meeting the crime? A suspension is simply not warranted for someone who has been a very good team player for a long long time - and the face of the franchise to a large degree as its only star for a while until Willis started to play. TO set out to destroy a team, he promised to do so, and did.
How does this one outburst (right or wrong and it was wrong) come even CLOSE to warranting anything close to that punishment?
It does not. The Bills are being petty because they know their coach and possibly GM are not cutting it right now with some of the decisions they have made.
smapdi
Footballguy
The Bills problems stem from Mularkelys pee wee play calling. It's atrocious, I could call better plays through madden. It also doesn't help that Donohoe has completely neglected the o-line through the draft and brought cast offs to fill the voids. I liek a lot of his draft picks (McGee in 4th, McGahee pick, Jennings, T.Henry, ....) but his neglect for defensive and offensive lines needs to be recognized. The only way this team can take a step forwards is to get ride of Donahoe and Mularkely. I would liek to see McNally and Bobby April stay around as postion coaches. I wouldn't mind Modrak as a player personel man. I think Roscoe Parrish is going to be seeing a lot of action the next couple weeks. He had an unbelieveable training camp but got hurt. He is now 3 games in and starting to get the hang of the game. It's only a matter of time till he breaks off a huge play and that could come against NE atrocious secondary.
Koya
Footballguy
Nice to have a semblence of context. The BILLS are reaping what they have sown. Poor management = losses = pissing off the one consitently good player you have had for the past few years.I have no doubt he was frustrated. That's okay. He chose the wrong way to deal with it, and now he's going to suffer the penalty for doing so. It's not the way he feels that is the issue, it's how he went about dealing with it. It's about being an adult and making mature thoughtful decisions. He instead lashed out in a very public way at the company who signs his checks. He's reaping what he has sown.I believe the thought is that this was an internal issue for the first part of the season, and that Moulds got tired of
Nicely done Bills. I hope other players take notice because goodness knows I wouldnt want to play for such a petty organization if indeed this is indicative of how they react to one minor outburst borne of frustration.
I'm still not sure what was wrong about it. The playcalling of Mularkey cost his team a game against their most hated rival. If the coaches can't admit when they screwed up, then screw them.IMO, suspending Moulds is nothing more than a pathetic attempt from Mularkey to deflect the blame away from where it belongs and a last ditch effort to try and maintain control of this team.
However, I'm pretty sure that most of the locker room would agree with Moulds' comments so I'm not sure how suspending him is going to help Mularkey at all.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
If you want to truly have a "team", then organizations should look at the way Mike Scioscia handled the Jose Guillen situation. Guy was a key producer, 30+ dingers and 100+ RBI's, aired grievances to the media instead of keeping it in the clubhouse, and they let him go right before the playoffs. No player is bigger than the team. I can see both sides though. Moulds knows he is gone, feels he can still play the game, and the team is putting him out to pasture as the season winds down. Not how you treat a player that's been a key part of the organization for a decade. This just will end badly.
still have no idea why you think this is a franchise issue.the coach wants to suspend a player who criticized him. that's a reason for you to condemn the entire organization?Nice to have a semblence of context. The BILLS are reaping what they have sown. Poor management = losses = pissing off the one consitently good player you have had for the past few years.I have no doubt he was frustrated. That's okay. He chose the wrong way to deal with it, and now he's going to suffer the penalty for doing so. It's not the way he feels that is the issue, it's how he went about dealing with it. It's about being an adult and making mature thoughtful decisions. He instead lashed out in a very public way at the company who signs his checks. He's reaping what he has sown.I believe the thought is that this was an internal issue for the first part of the season, and that Moulds got tired of
Nicely done Bills. I hope other players take notice because goodness knows I wouldnt want to play for such a petty organization if indeed this is indicative of how they react to one minor outburst borne of frustration.
That's fine, and the Bills' fans can hold the management accountable - but they aren't employees of the organization, they are clients. That's their privledge. Moulds is an employee, and so if he speaks out in public criticizing the team's management, he deserves punishment. If he did not speak out in public, my opinion would be different.
Koya
Footballguy
You yourself said how this is an attempt by the coach to gain control of a team after he has lost it... this one example is not why I see the Bills as having a management issue, but I do see this as a result of their lack of good management. IMO, that started with decisions like McGahee, getting rid of a vet QB a year too early, poor gameplanning, terrible decision making, and a lack of leadership from the coach.still have no idea why you think this is a franchise issue.the coach wants to suspend a player who criticized him. that's a reason for you to condemn the entire organization?Nice to have a semblence of context. The BILLS are reaping what they have sown. Poor management = losses = pissing off the one consitently good player you have had for the past few years.I have no doubt he was frustrated. That's okay. He chose the wrong way to deal with it, and now he's going to suffer the penalty for doing so. It's not the way he feels that is the issue, it's how he went about dealing with it. It's about being an adult and making mature thoughtful decisions. He instead lashed out in a very public way at the company who signs his checks. He's reaping what he has sown.I believe the thought is that this was an internal issue for the first part of the season, and that Moulds got tired of
Nicely done Bills. I hope other players take notice because goodness knows I wouldnt want to play for such a petty organization if indeed this is indicative of how they react to one minor outburst borne of frustration.
The_Hunchback
Footballguy
Why is it ok for the team and management to publicly rake their players? Double standards I guess.
still have no idea why people continue to question the McGahee pick.as for the Bledsoe decision, that's still up in the air but based on the way Losman has played lately, I'm fine with it. Bledsoe would be completely useless behind this offensive line.
poor game planning? they've played great in the first quarter of most games...and gave away some big 4th quarter leads, including one at New England. not sure game planning is really the fault.
terrible decision making? there has certainly been plenty of that lately, but I'm not sure the situation is as hopeless or the franchise as pathetic as you are making it out to be.
lack of leadership from the coach? that seems to happen a lot with first-timers. I think Mularkey's problem is that he tries to be too smart. I remember many Steelers fans warning us about that happening with him, and it has certainly come to pass.
I'm not disputing that the team has some serious problems right now, but I still think they are one of the better run organizations in the league. Donahoe has his flaws and may be gone after the year, but hopefully the collapse against Miami will be the catalyst to make some real and positive changes.
Per ESPN:ESPN.com's John Clayton reports that Eric Moulds will only be suspended for one game.Coach Mike Mularkey will officially address that issue at 3:20 PM. Moulds was benched early in Sunday's game and then reportedly refused to re-enter the game when asked by his position coach. Moulds has a big contract and may not be back in Buffalo next year, but he will apparently be back for week 15.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
McGahee was a great pick for us, and I don't see a lot of Cowboy fans worshipping Drew right now, so I dont understand why you keep coming back to those particular decisions. Donahoe got those two right.
Koya
Footballguy
I just believe Losman was not ready unless the Bills had planned to waste the year while he took his lumps (meaning, if the plan was to make playoffs, they shouldnt have gotten rid of Drew quite yet).Willis is just not impressing me. I saw SOOOO much hype about the guy, and at the end of last year I started to buy it a little... but this year has left me very blah about his play.
obviously, all the info isn't out about Moulds yet. I'll reserve final judgment until I get a better idea of what exactly happened.As for McGahee, he hasn't looked like the same runner over the past month or so. But, I seriously doubt that work ethic is a problem for him.
Eli Manning had one of the worst rookie QB seasons in league history. Now look at where the Giants are. The Steelers are also in great shape with their young QB getting all this early experience.Losman isn't quite as talented as those guys, but he's already begun to show clear signs that he is definitely the QB of the future in Buffalo. And gaining that type of stability is huge for the franchise going forward.
Fact of the matter is that Bledsoe had a chance last year to take this team to the playoffs by beating the Steelers backups at home and he couldn't get it done. This team was not going anywhere with him under center and it took balls for them to admit that and move on.
packersfan
Footballguy
I haven't read this entire thread so my apologies if this has been brought up already but while I agree that Mularkey is an idiot and Moulds criticizing the playcalling was spot on, if the report is true that he refused to re-enter the game on Sunday than I do think Mularkey isn't out of bounds in suspending him. No matter how bad the situation is, if you have a player being insubordinate the head coach needs to respond to that in strong fashion.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
people question the McGahee pick because they hate Drew Rosenhaus. Seriously. It was a great pick. And I sure don't hear anymore from those fools who said that the Bills were stupid for:A) Not keeping HenryB) Not taking the wonderful Cardinal offer of LJ SheltonPeople just don't like to admit they were wrong, especially on internet message boards.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Wow, I had forgotten all about that one. Good catch.
I think 99% of Bills fans would disagree with you.
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