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Moulds may be suspended? (1 Viewer)

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McGahee was a great draft pick.
Ummm, the jury is definitely still out on this one.This is now year 3 for Mcgahee.

Year 1 he sat. Waste.

Year 2 he took over mid-season for Henry and did great.

Year 3 - he's putting up Henry-like number.

This is far from a great pick so far.
I think 99% of Bills fans would disagree with you.
I don't know Aaron. Step aside from your homerism and look at McGahee. He hasn't impressed me much, has no burst and questionable speed.He looked like he had good upside last season, but this year has been underwhelming in a big way. The jury is still out IMO on whether or not he was worth the risk of the 1st round pick or not.

 
I'd like to see what McGahee could do with some decent blocking up front.Despite a horrendous offensive line and one of the worst passing games in the league this year, he still ranks 10th in rushing yardage.I doubt anybody would be very surprised if McGahee makes the Pro Bowl once or twice in the next few years.

 
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McGahee was a great draft pick.
Ummm, the jury is definitely still out on this one.This is now year 3 for Mcgahee.

Year 1 he sat. Waste.

Year 2 he took over mid-season for Henry and did great.

Year 3 - he's putting up Henry-like number.

This is far from a great pick so far.
I think 99% of Bills fans would disagree with you.
I disagree.I would like to offer the fact that, for a RB to be successful he needs to be USED, and used correctly. Malarky doesnt have a clue, neither does Clements.

I would go as far to say maybe it isn't a "great" but I would put it as pretty darn good.

But Mike Williams, Josh Reed, and no real offensive line help and letting Williams going without a replacement... or Jennings for that matter.

Donahoe has lost his touch... time to move on.

 
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McGahee was a great draft pick.
Ummm, the jury is definitely still out on this one.This is now year 3 for Mcgahee.

Year 1 he sat. Waste.

Year 2 he took over mid-season for Henry and did great.

Year 3 - he's putting up Henry-like number.

This is far from a great pick so far.
I think 99% of Bills fans would disagree with you.
Perhaps, but from a production standpoint nothing Gravity said was inaccurate. It's hard to watch McGahee this season and honestly view him as an upgrade over what Henry had accomplished as the Bills' starting RB.
 
I think some of you may be overreacting to one disappointing month from McGahee. He's not exactly washed up as a player already.

 
I think some of you may be overreacting to one disappointing month from McGahee. He's not exactly washed up as a player already.
I'm certainly not suggesting McGahee is washed up. But I do think it's a legitimate point to say he hasn't been any better lately and for much of the season than what Henry was during his time as the Bills' starting RB.
 
I honestly don't know how anyone who watched McGahee last year could think it was a bad pick. What has Travis Henry done since McGahee emerged?Henry has a lot of mileage on his legs at this point and got a 4-game suspension. I feel much more confident in McGahee going forward and rebounding to his old self than I would with Henry.and, I've said this many times before....the ONLY player the Bills could have taken with that pick that might have been a better choice (at the time) was Eric Steinbach. Everybody doubted that McGahee would be able to recover, but after 2 straight 1000 yard seasons and ranking top-10 in rushing this year, I can't understand why people would argue it was a bad pick.

 
I honestly don't know how anyone who watched McGahee last year could think it was a bad pick. What has Travis Henry done since McGahee emerged?

Henry has a lot of mileage on his legs at this point and got a 4-game suspension. I feel much more confident in McGahee going forward and rebounding to his old self than I would with Henry.

and, I've said this many times before....the ONLY player the Bills could have taken with that pick that might have been a better choice (at the time) was Eric Steinbach. Everybody doubted that McGahee would be able to recover, but after 2 straight 1000 yard seasons and ranking top-10 in rushing this year, I can't understand why people would argue it was a bad pick.
It looked like a great pick last season. It's not looking quite so great this season. I would agree I'd rather have McGahee going forward than Henry. No question there. However, if McGahee doesn't snap out of his funk and show a little more passion and turn up the work ethic then all his talent (and I agree he has a world of talent) won't mean squat.
 
he'll be fine. if he ever wants to get a big contract, he'll need to step it up at some point.fix up the offensive line a little bit and feed McGahee the ball more and everybody will love him again.By comparison, Lamont Jordan is having a monster season for the Raiders but has almost 200 fewer rushing yards and is only averaging 3.6 yards/carry. Things aren't going well for McGahee right now but there aren't 10 RBs in the league I'd take over him.

 
How does this one outburst (right or wrong and it was wrong) come even CLOSE to warranting anything close to that punishment?

It does not.  The Bills are being petty because they know their coach and possibly GM are not cutting it right now with some of the decisions they have made.
I'm still not sure what was wrong about it. The playcalling of Mularkey cost his team a game against their most hated rival. If the coaches can't admit when they screwed up, then screw them.IMO, suspending Moulds is nothing more than a pathetic attempt from Mularkey to deflect the blame away from where it belongs and a last ditch effort to try and maintain control of this team.

However, I'm pretty sure that most of the locker room would agree with Moulds' comments so I'm not sure how suspending him is going to help Mularkey at all.
:goodposting: ding ding ding, you sir are correct

lame duck coach and management deflect blame onto loyal lame duck WR

 
I'd have to fall into the camp that benching Moulds is a face saving move from the coach. I'd also have to agree that the talent scouting (drafting/FA pickups) in Buffalo has been far superior to the talent organization (coaching). Buffalos line play is horrible. Even Barry Sanders couldn't run behind it. This has affected both Holbomb and Losman. But, when Holcomb is in, and Moulds gets catchable balls, he's made plays. Losman looks at Evans, and it's almost like Moulds isn't on the field. Now, TO I want no part of in NE> But Eric Moulds? I'd love to have him there. His best days may be behind him, but he's still a very good NFL talent.

 
UPDATEd at 5:43 EST:Updating an ongoing report, ESPNews reports Buffalo Bills WR Eric Moulds has not been suspended for Week 14, but the team is keeping him away from practice Wednesday, Dec. 7, and Thursday, Dec. 8. What the hell?

 
I honestly don't know how anyone who watched McGahee last year could think it was a bad pick. What has Travis Henry done since McGahee emerged?

Henry has a lot of mileage on his legs at this point and got a 4-game suspension. I feel much more confident in McGahee going forward and rebounding to his old self than I would with Henry.

and, I've said this many times before....the ONLY player the Bills could have taken with that pick that might have been a better choice (at the time) was Eric Steinbach. Everybody doubted that McGahee would be able to recover, but after 2 straight 1000 yard seasons and ranking top-10 in rushing this year, I can't understand why people would argue it was a bad pick.
Last year convinced me, tentatively, that Willis was the real thing. Now, I still see a lot of skill there, but I am not as high after watching this year. That is just my opinion - admittedly less informed on this than you. But Im not that high on Willis until he reshows me what we saw last year.Portis was not the next great thing, but already a great thing, and he is not exactly as great as once advertised. My judgement is still reserved.

 
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McGahee was a great draft pick.
Ummm, the jury is definitely still out on this one.This is now year 3 for Mcgahee.

Year 1 he sat. Waste.

Year 2 he took over mid-season for Henry and did great.

Year 3 - he's putting up Henry-like number.

This is far from a great pick so far.
I think 99% of Bills fans would disagree with you.
I don't know Aaron. Step aside from your homerism and look at McGahee. He hasn't impressed me much, has no burst and questionable speed.He looked like he had good upside last season, but this year has been underwhelming in a big way. The jury is still out IMO on whether or not he was worth the risk of the 1st round pick or not.
The reason that McGahee was such a great pick is that the Bills got great value for him on THEIR board. They were all set to take Chris Kelsey there. Several sites, including maybe Kiper, had projected him there. But instead they take McGahee at 23 and then still get Kelsey at 48. Now, you can say that Kelsey stinks and they could have gotten someone better at 23, but it's unlikely that McGahee would be there at 48. So the Bills got both players instead of just Kelsey. That's a good draft pick and a good decision. As it turns out, McGahee has been very good (although he's having a bad month) and Kelsey is less of a reach at 48 than he would have been at 23.
 
he'll be fine. if he ever wants to get a big contract, he'll need to step it up at some point.

fix up the offensive line a little bit and feed McGahee the ball more and everybody will love him again.

By comparison, Lamont Jordan is having a monster season for the Raiders but has almost 200 fewer rushing yards and is only averaging 3.6 yards/carry. Things aren't going well for McGahee right now but there aren't 10 RBs in the league I'd take over him.
TomlinsonEdge

KJ

Caddy

LJ

Ronnie B

Rudi and Perry

SJax

Thomas Jones

Portis

Deuce.......................I'd take any of these guys before McGayhee!

 
On page one I asked about the comments or statments that got him neck deep, and as i check back in on the thread, 4 pages later, there is nothing. I saw Murlakey's press conference where he said he 'excused' moulds from two practices, but other then that I have not seen much about what Moulds has said, the context of what he said and how it all traspired. Does anyone know? What was the criticism? Who did he say it to? Was he asked about it or did he volunteer his opinion?

 
he'll be fine. if he ever wants to get a big contract, he'll need to step it up at some point.

fix up the offensive line a little bit and feed McGahee the ball more and everybody will love him again.

By comparison, Lamont Jordan is having a monster season for the Raiders but has almost 200 fewer rushing yards and is only averaging 3.6 yards/carry. Things aren't going well for McGahee right now but there aren't 10 RBs in the league I'd take over him.
TomlinsonEdge

KJ

Caddy

LJ

Ronnie B

Rudi and Perry

SJax

Thomas Jones

Portis

Deuce.......................I'd take any of these guys before McGayhee!
Agreed. As for Jordan, one reason he's having a big year is that he brings more overall skills to the field than McGahee does. Granted the Bills don't use McGahee much in the passing game but he also doesn't strike me as having good receiving skills. I was very impressed last year with McGahee's power but I'm dissappointed in his speed - doesn't seem to have a real burst. After another year past the knee injury I expected McGahee to look more like Caddy looks - power & speed. In defense of McGahee, he has much better numbers with Holcomb at QB, which just goes to show what a more balanced attack will do for his productivity.
 
On page one I asked about the comments or statments that got him neck deep, and as i check back in on the thread, 4 pages later, there is nothing.

I saw Murlakey's press conference where he said he 'excused' moulds from two practices, but other then that I have not seen much about what Moulds has said, the context of what he said and how it all traspired.

Does anyone know? What was the criticism? Who did he say it to? Was he asked about it or did he volunteer his opinion?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?i...ce=NFLHeadlines
ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. -- Eric Moulds was excused from practice Wednesday and Thursday after reports that the star wide receiver would be suspended, making his status uncertain for this weekend's game against New England.

Coach Mike Mularkey declined to say why he excused the team's leading pass catcher, but denied reports that he had any intention of suspending Moulds. Referring to Moulds at one point as "a great player," Mularkey said he would not answer questions about Moulds' status until Friday.

"I've told him he's excused from not being here today or tomorrow," Mularkey said. "It's a closed subject, not going to discuss it. It's an in-house topic and we're going to leave it at that."

Sources told ESPN's Chris Mortensen that Moulds is expected to meet with Bills owner Ralph Wilson Jr. and Mularkey on Thursday.

Sources also told Mortensen that the team plans to make Moulds inactive for this weekend's game against the Patriots.

Moulds' status was in question after numerous media outlets reported Wednesday that Mularkey informed Moulds in a meeting on Monday that he planned to suspend him.

Mularkey said he never used the word "suspension" in any conversations he's had with Moulds. "Don't put words in my mouth," he said.

Mularkey declined to budge from discussing Moulds' status further, despite repeated questions.

At one point he chided reporters, saying: "What part of what I'm telling you guys is not getting through in your questions?"

In his 10th season with Buffalo, Moulds is the team's senior player, a three-time Pro Bowl selection who ranks second to Andre Reed in most of the Bills' career receiving categories.

Moulds did not immediately return a message left by The Associated Press.

The player told Buffalo's WKBW-TV that he hoped to have the dispute resolved Thursday during a scheduled meeting with team owner Ralph Wilson.

"I just want to have a conversation with him," Moulds said. "I haven't had a problem with a coach since I've been here. If coaches have a problem with me, that's fine. I'll take a suspension if that's the case."

The player's personal adviser, Greg Johnson, told the AP that Moulds is being punished over a misunderstanding that took place during Buffalo's loss at Miami on Sunday. Following Mularkey's news conference, Johnson said he was encouraged by what the coach said, adding he and Moulds were particularly happy to hear Mularkey never used the word "suspended."

Johnson said the misunderstanding Sunday occurred when Moulds left the field after experiencing pain in his Achilles' tendon. Moulds, Johnson said, wanted to have the tendon examined by a trainer when Bills receivers coach Tyke Tolbert asked Moulds to get back out on the field.

Moulds declined and was benched for most of the final three quarters.

"He wanted a minute to look at the injury and that kind of got blown out of proportion," Johnson said. "That's why he was out. That's probably the biggest mystery to all of this."

Mularkey declined to say whether Moulds had any dispute with a coach on the sideline.

The Bills (4-8), on the verge of missing the playoffs for the sixth straight season, have lost five of their last six and are coming off a 24-23 loss at Miami in which they blew a 21-3 fourth-quarter lead.

Moulds failed to make a catch against the Dolphins, ending his streak for receptions at a franchise-record 121 games. It was the fourth-longest active streak, a list led by Indianapolis' Marvin Harrison, who has a catch in 151 straight games.

Following Sunday's game, Moulds carefully expressed his frustrations over being benched and questioned the team's play-calling.

Moulds' production is down this season, although he still leads the team with 54 catches for 511 yards. He also has three touchdowns, second to Lee Evans' six.

Before practice Wednesday, running back Willis McGahee said he learned the news regarding Moulds from the media.

"It's crazy. It's a lot of chaos," McGahee said. "You don't know what to expect right now at this point."

Safety Troy Vincent said he was unaware of Moulds' status, but added the team can't afford to lose a player of Moulds' caliber.

"Eric Moulds has proven himself as a fine football player," Vincent said. "Players of his quality give your team a chance to win every Sunday."

Vincent, who is also the NFL Players' Association president, said the union has not received any information about Moulds' status.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.
 
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Tomlinson - YesEdge - YesLJ - YesDeuce - Yes.SJax - MaybeThomas Jones - MaybeKJ - Kevin Jones??? LOL!Caddy - ummm no.Ronnie B - No.Rudi and Perry - NOPortis - NoMcGahee might be top 3 most powerful back. I watched him steamroll people, he has a devastating stiff arm and he has been successful behind a horrible line in the Bills. He is also suffering from maybe the worst play calling in the NFL. To say you would take KJ, Rudi, Ronnie B, etc.. means you don;t watch ANY Buffalo football. You never have seen McGahee actually get a workload and work his magic with a horrible line. Travis Henry did admirable with the line, but when the line really took a nose dive, Henry couldnt do a thing and McGahee came in and got 1,000 yards in like 9 or 10 games.Put McGahee in KC or Denver and your talking 1600-1800 yards 15-18 TD's Easily.He will never be "great" until Buffalo gets a REAL offensive coordinator, and/or an offensive line.

 
Tomlinson - Yes

Edge - Yes

LJ - Yes

Deuce - Yes.

SJax - Maybe

Thomas Jones - Maybe

KJ - Kevin Jones??? LOL!

Caddy - ummm no.

Ronnie B - No.

Rudi and Perry - NO

Portis - No

McGahee might be top 3 most powerful back. I watched him steamroll people, he has a devastating stiff arm and he has been successful behind a horrible line in the Bills. He is also suffering from maybe the worst play calling in the NFL.

To say you would take KJ, Rudi, Ronnie B, etc.. means you don;t watch ANY Buffalo football. You never have seen McGahee actually get a workload and work his magic with a horrible line. Travis Henry did admirable with the line, but when the line really took a nose dive, Henry couldnt do a thing and McGahee came in and got 1,000 yards in like 9 or 10 games.

Put McGahee in KC or Denver and your talking 1600-1800 yards 15-18 TD's Easily.

He will never be "great" until Buffalo gets a REAL offensive coordinator, and/or an offensive line.
We all have our opinions, don't we!!
 
Tomlinson - Yes

Edge - Yes

LJ - Yes

Deuce - Yes.

SJax - Maybe

Thomas Jones - Maybe

KJ - Kevin Jones??? LOL!

Caddy - ummm no.

Ronnie B - No.

Rudi and Perry - NO

Portis - No

McGahee might be top 3 most powerful back. I watched him steamroll people, he has a devastating stiff arm and he has been successful behind a horrible line in the Bills. He is also suffering from maybe the worst play calling in the NFL.

To say you would take KJ, Rudi, Ronnie B, etc.. means you don;t watch ANY Buffalo football. You never have seen McGahee actually get a workload and work his magic with a horrible line. Travis Henry did admirable with the line, but when the line really took a nose dive, Henry couldnt do a thing and McGahee came in and got 1,000 yards in like 9 or 10 games.

Put McGahee in KC or Denver and your talking 1600-1800 yards 15-18 TD's Easily.

He will never be "great" until Buffalo gets a REAL offensive coordinator, and/or an offensive line.
What the heck does Shaun Alexander have to do to make the top 10 RB list? :eek:
 
Tomlinson - Yes

Edge - Yes

LJ - Yes

Deuce - Yes.

SJax - Maybe

Thomas Jones - Maybe

KJ - Kevin Jones??? LOL!

Caddy - ummm no.

Ronnie B - No.

Rudi and Perry - NO

Portis - No

McGahee might be top 3 most powerful back. I watched him steamroll people, he has a devastating stiff arm and he has been successful behind a horrible line in the Bills. He is also suffering from maybe the worst play calling in the NFL.

To say you would take KJ, Rudi, Ronnie B, etc.. means you don;t watch ANY Buffalo football. You never have seen McGahee actually get a workload and work his magic with a horrible line. Travis Henry did admirable with the line, but when the line really took a nose dive, Henry couldnt do a thing and McGahee came in and got 1,000 yards in like 9 or 10 games.

Put McGahee in KC or Denver and your talking 1600-1800 yards 15-18 TD's Easily.

He will never be "great" until Buffalo gets a REAL offensive coordinator, and/or an offensive line.
What the heck does Shaun Alexander have to do to make the top 10 RB list? :eek:
No kidding. I wouldn't hesitate to take him over McGahee from an NFL perspective (and obviously from a fantasy perspective). As for the others:Tomlinson - Yes

Edge - Yes

LJ - Yes

Deuce - No way

SJax - Yes

Thomas Jones - No but only because Benson's there

Kevin Jones - Not a chance

Caddy - Possibly

Ronnie B - Not as long as Ricky's there

Rudi and Perry - Individually no (although it's DAMN close with Rudi). Collectively, no question yes.

Portis - Yes

 

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