Mount Rushmore of national monuments? (2 Viewers)

[bro1ncos]

Question on the Dan Patrick show this morning.

Would Mount Rushmore be on the Mount Rushmore of national monuments?

What would be on it? Statue of Liberty, Washington Monument, Lincoln Memorial, Freedom Tower, Grand Canyon, ???

ETA Definition: Let's use a very general definition of a physical place that represents the USA.

 

[jamny]

I don't think the Freedom Tower makes the cut.

 

[Rayderr]

And Grand Canyon isn't really a monument.

 

[Don Quixote]

How are we defining a monument? Not sure Grand Canyon fits any definition I'm aware of.

 

[bro1ncos]

Was just throwing things out there off the top of my head. Hadn't really given it much thought.

 

[NCCommish]

I think if you have any idea what it took to do Rushmore it is a first balloter.

 

[Rayderr]

As far as pure monuments, I'd say It would be Rushmore, Washington Monument, Statue of Liberty, WW2 Pearl Harbor memorial

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Rushmore, Statute of Liberty, Lincoln and monument park at Yankee Stadium.

Yup, I went there.

 

[Don Quixote]

I'd throw Crazy Horse into the mix, though not complete yet (and not national).

 

[otello]

Lincoln > Washington

 

[bro1ncos]

Gateway Arch? Golden Gate Bridge?

As far as pure monuments, I'd say It would be Rushmore, Washington Monument, Statue of Liberty, WW2 Pearl Harbor memorial

I think this is a solid list.

Any argument for Gateway Arch? Golden Gate Bridge? Alamo? Ellis Island?

 

[Rayderr]

Gateway Arch? Golden Gate Bridge?

As far as pure monuments, I'd say It would be Rushmore, Washington Monument, Statue of Liberty, WW2 Pearl Harbor memorial

I think this is a solid list.

Any argument for Gateway Arch? Golden Gate Bridge? Alamo? Ellis Island?

I thought about GG Bridge, but did not include it because it's not a monument. A landmark, yes, but not a monument. Same reason I did not include the Arch. IMO, a monument is something that is done in honor of a person or group of people (I know that weakens the Statue of Liberty Argument, but it is a monument to the people who have immigrated to this country to make a better life, imo.)

 

[tri-man 47]

Gateway Arch? Golden Gate Bridge?

As far as pure monuments, I'd say It would be Rushmore, Washington Monument, Statue of Liberty, WW2 Pearl Harbor memorial

I think this is a solid list.

Any argument for Gateway Arch? Golden Gate Bridge? Alamo? Ellis Island?

I thought about GG Bridge, but did not include it because it's not a monument. A landmark, yes, but not a monument. Same reason I did not include the Arch. IMO, a monument is something that is done in honor of a person or group of people (I know that weakens the Statue of Liberty Argument, but it is a monument to the people who have immigrated to this country to make a better life, imo.)

Agreed on the landmark vs. monument distinction. Here's a gray area, then: What about Arlington National Cemetery (Tomb of the Unknown Soldier?) ...or even the American cemetery in Normandy, which is an incredibly moving place to visit. I haven't seen the newer Vietnam Memorial in D.C. - how does that rate in this debate?

 

[Jaysus]

I totally do not want to not post in this thread, but.... thread subject says "national monument"... which is a thing... with a definition, and as such, the grand canyon is absolutely a national monument.

So go ahead and make your argument for what a monument means to you, but umm... I don't know where I'm going with this.

ETA: Memorials are a different thing too, so, yeah, they don't apply either.

P.S. Mt Rushmore and the washintgon monument are both memorials.

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

I totally do not want to not post in this thread, but.... thread subject says "national monument"... which is a thing... with a definition, and as such, the grand canyon is absolutely a national monument.

So go ahead and make your argument for what a monument means to you, but umm... I don't know where I'm going with this.

ETA: Memorials are a different thing too, so, yeah, they don't apply either.

P.S. Mt Rushmore is a memorial.

So, Susquehanna River Statue of Liberty?

 

[Rayderr]

Webster's definition:

mon·u·mentnoun \ˈmän-yə-mənt\: a building, statue, etc., that honors a person or event

: a building or place that is important because of when it was built or because of something in history that happened there

: an example of something


Full Definition of MONUMENT1
obsolete : a burial vault : sepulchre
2
: a written legal document or record : treatise
3
a (1) : a lasting evidence, reminder, or example of someone or something notable or great (2) : a distinguished person
b : a memorial stone or a building erected in remembrance of a person or event 4
archaic : an identifying mark : evidence; also : portent, sign
5
obsolete : a carved statue : effigy
6
: a boundary or position marker (as a stone)
7
: national monument
8
: a written tribute

 

[Jaysus]

derp

Just sayin:

Mount Rushmore of national monuments?

 

[bro1ncos]

Let's use a very general definition of a physical place that represents the USA. I would think using this definition it would cover all the places listed already.

Hoover Dam? Las Vegas? Hollywood Sign?

 

[ffldrew]

Gateway Arch? Golden Gate Bridge?

As far as pure monuments, I'd say It would be Rushmore, Washington Monument, Statue of Liberty, WW2 Pearl Harbor memorial

I think this is a solid list.

Any argument for Gateway Arch? Golden Gate Bridge? Alamo? Ellis Island?

I thought about GG Bridge, but did not include it because it's not a monument. A landmark, yes, but not a monument. Same reason I did not include the Arch. IMO, a monument is something that is done in honor of a person or group of people (I know that weakens the Statue of Liberty Argument, but it is a monument to the people who have immigrated to this country to make a better life, imo.)

I don't know if you have been to the Arch - but it is part of the Jefferson National Expansion Memorial. The purpose of the Arch is a monument to commemorate the work of Jefferson and the Lewis and Clark expedition which started in St. Louis as the "Gateway to the West". There is a fantastic museum in the basement of the Arch that follow the letters between Lewis and Clark and Thomas Jefferson - along with many artifacts from the expedition. I highly recommend spending time in it rather than just jumping on the elevators to the top of the Arch.

 

[Rayderr]

Let's use a very general definition of a physical place that represents the USA. I would think using this definition it would cover all the places listed already.

Hoover Dam? Las Vegas? Hollywood Sign?

Statue of Liberty, US Congress building, Golden Gate Bridge, Grand Canyon in that situation. Those are probably the 4 most distinct landmarks that represent the US and are what foreigners think of when asked about US landmarks.

 

[NCCommish]

derp

Just sayin:

Mount Rushmore of national monuments?

a memorial stone or a building erected in remembrance of a person or event

 

[dgreen]

Let's use a very general definition of a physical place that represents the USA. I would think using this definition it would cover all the places listed already.

Hoover Dam? Las Vegas? Hollywood Sign?

Change "physical place" to "man-made place".

 

[Fennis]

Shirley Temple was a national treasure.

 

[bro1ncos]

Let's use a very general definition of a physical place that represents the USA. I would think using this definition it would cover all the places listed already.

Hoover Dam? Las Vegas? Hollywood Sign?

Statue of Liberty, US Congress building, Golden Gate Bridge, Grand Canyon in that situation. Those are probably the 4 most distinct landmarks that represent the US and are what foreigners think of when asked about US landmarks.

US Congress Building over the White House or Capital Building?

What about many of the locations in Philly? Independence Hall, Liberty Bell?

 

[Rayderr]

Let's use a very general definition of a physical place that represents the USA. I would think using this definition it would cover all the places listed already.

Hoover Dam? Las Vegas? Hollywood Sign?

Statue of Liberty, US Congress building, Golden Gate Bridge, Grand Canyon in that situation. Those are probably the 4 most distinct landmarks that represent the US and are what foreigners think of when asked about US landmarks.

US Congress Building over the White House or Capital Building?

What about many of the locations in Philly? Independence Hall, Liberty Bell?

Sorry, Capitol building is what I should've said. And yeah, I'd put it over the White House. It's by far a more recognizable building (though oddly enough, I've run into more than my fair share of foreigners who thought the capitol building was was the white house. Probably because it is grander.)

As far as liberty bell, I outside of the bell itself, I couldn't tell you anything about the place it's at. I have no idea what independence hall looks like.

 

[Jaysus]

derp

Just sayin:

Mount Rushmore of national monuments?

a memorial stone or a building erected in remembrance of a person or event

OP has clarified that he is asking something different than he originally asked, and that is fine... but why don't you ask Webster what the definition of "national monument" is when you have a chance. (hint: it is different than simply "monument")

And with that...

 

[Henry Ford]

Let's use a very general definition of a physical place that represents the USA. I would think using this definition it would cover all the places listed already.

Hoover Dam? Las Vegas? Hollywood Sign?

Statue of Liberty, US Congress building, Golden Gate Bridge, Grand Canyon in that situation. Those are probably the 4 most distinct landmarks that represent the US and are what foreigners think of when asked about US landmarks.

US Congress Building over the White House or Capitol Building?

What about many of the locations in Philly? Independence Hall, Liberty Bell?

Just curious, where do you think the U.S. Congress meets?

 

[MattFancy]

I see GG Bridge as more of a land mark than a national monument

 

[Rayderr]

derp

Just sayin:

Mount Rushmore of national monuments?

a memorial stone or a building erected in remembrance of a person or event

OP has clarified that he is asking something different than he originally asked, and that is fine... but why don't you ask Webster what the definition of "national monument" is when you have a chance. (hint: it is different than simply "monument")

And with that...

Webster actually contradicts itself on that. It says a place of natural beauty and then lists the Statue of Liberty as an example. What the hell is natural about a 151 foot tall copper woman?

 

[bro1ncos]

Let's use a very general definition of a physical place that represents the USA. I would think using this definition it would cover all the places listed already.

Hoover Dam? Las Vegas? Hollywood Sign?

Statue of Liberty, US Congress building, Golden Gate Bridge, Grand Canyon in that situation. Those are probably the 4 most distinct landmarks that represent the US and are what foreigners think of when asked about US landmarks.

US Congress Building over the White House or Capitol Building?

What about many of the locations in Philly? Independence Hall, Liberty Bell?

Just curious, where do you think the U.S. Congress meets?

Sorry I worded that poorly. I wasn't trying to name 3 different buildings, was trying to clarify what the Congress Building was.

 

[dgreen]

DC candidates would be the Washington Monument, Lincoln Memorial, White House, and Capitol. Poor Jefferson Memorial always gets overlooked. There are other good memorials/monuments in the area, but those 4 are clearly at the top.

Statue of Liberty should be in there, so that would knock out of those of those 4 DC locations.

I could also see Mount Rushmore knocking another one out.

Not sure anything else would be worthy of the top 4, though.

 

[Jaysus]

derp

Just sayin:

Mount Rushmore of national monuments?

a memorial stone or a building erected in remembrance of a person or event

OP has clarified that he is asking something different than he originally asked, and that is fine... but why don't you ask Webster what the definition of "national monument" is when you have a chance. (hint: it is different than simply "monument")

And with that...

Webster actually contradicts itself on that. It says a place of natural beauty and then lists the Statue of Liberty as an example. What the hell is natural about a 151 foot tall copper woman?

I do not disagree with you, I am just stuck on semantics, and, like I said, would rather have avoided this thread as a result, but....

Where does the Pentagon rank

 

[NCCommish]

derp

Just sayin:

Mount Rushmore of national monuments?

a memorial stone or a building erected in remembrance of a person or event

OP has clarified that he is asking something different than he originally asked, and that is fine... but why don't you ask Webster what the definition of "national monument" is when you have a chance. (hint: it is different than simply "monument")

And with that...

Webster actually contradicts itself on that. It says a place of natural beauty and then lists the Statue of Liberty as an example. What the hell is natural about a 151 foot tall copper woman?

I do not disagree with you, I am just stuck on semantics, and, like I said, would rather have avoided this thread as a result, but....

Where does the Pentagon rank

You know we live for semantic arguments here.

 

[Jaysus]

You know we live for semantic arguments here.

I know, but I prefer to stick to **** and fart jokes

 

[NCCommish]

You know we live for semantic arguments here.

I know, but I prefer to stick to **** and fart jokes

A worthy calling indeed sir

 

[JZilla]

DC candidates would be the Washington Monument, Lincoln Memorial, White House, and Capitol. Poor Jefferson Memorial always gets overlooked. There are other good memorials/monuments in the area, but those 4 are clearly at the top.

Statue of Liberty should be in there, so that would knock out of those of those 4 DC locations.

I could also see Mount Rushmore knocking another one out.

Not sure anything else would be worthy of the top 4, though.

Gateway Arch

 

[dgreen]

DC candidates would be the Washington Monument, Lincoln Memorial, White House, and Capitol. Poor Jefferson Memorial always gets overlooked. There are other good memorials/monuments in the area, but those 4 are clearly at the top.

Statue of Liberty should be in there, so that would knock out of those of those 4 DC locations.

I could also see Mount Rushmore knocking another one out.

Not sure anything else would be worthy of the top 4, though.

Gateway Arch

Quality structure, but not sure how it would ever get in the top 4.

You'd have to throw out 3 of the 6 above to make room for the Arch.

If someone wanted to make a rule that you can't more than 1 from any single city, that would help out the Arch. The problem for most of the country is DC has those four monsters.

 

[JZilla]

Mt Rushmore, Washington Monument, Gateway Arch, Statue of Liberty

I love the Lincoln, what it stands for and its place in modern history but if we're going for physically impressive this is the list

 

[Sinn Fein]

108 national monuments

Pick your top-4 from these actual US National Monuments

 

[Henry Ford]

Probably Devil's Tower, the Gateway Arch, Statute of Liberty, Mount Rushmore

 

[MattFancy]

The list of National Monuments from Wiki just doesn't seem right: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Monuments_of_the_United_States

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

108 national monuments

Pick your top-4 from these actual US National Monuments

Those are not the same 108 that I consider National Monuments.

 

[Henry Ford]

DC candidates would be the Washington Monument, Lincoln Memorial, White House, and Capitol. Poor Jefferson Memorial always gets overlooked. There are other good memorials/monuments in the area, but those 4 are clearly at the top.

Statue of Liberty should be in there, so that would knock out of those of those 4 DC locations.

I could also see Mount Rushmore knocking another one out.

Not sure anything else would be worthy of the top 4, though.

Gateway Arch

Quality structure, but not sure how it would ever get in the top 4.

You'd have to throw out 3 of the 6 above to make room for the Arch.

If someone wanted to make a rule that you can't more than 1 from any single city, that would help out the Arch. The problem for most of the country is DC has those four monsters.

I've never seen the U.S. Capitol or the White House listed as national monuments

 

[Apple Jack]

Can we get a fresh thread once the lawyers have ironed out the language?

 

[Sinn Fein]

108 national monuments

Pick your top-4 from these actual US National Monuments

Those are not the same 108 that I consider National Monuments.

So you are looking for the Mount Rushmore of Things that are not National Monuments?

 

[MattFancy]

108 national monuments

Pick your top-4 from these actual US National Monuments

Those are not the same 108 that I consider National Monuments.

I agree. Seems like a weird list. How is Mt Rushmore not even on there? No Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln on there either. No Independence Hall, Liberty Bell either. One that I'm surprised no has mentioned or that is on the list is the Alamo.

 

[Henry Ford]

Huh. Did not know that the Arch wasn't a monument, just a landmark.

So... Devil's Tower, Statue of Liberty, Montezuma's Castle, and the Underground Railroad.

 

[Mr. Ected]

Let's use a very general definition of a physical place that represents the USA. I would think using this definition it would cover all the places listed already.

Hoover Dam? Las Vegas? Hollywood Sign?

Statue of Liberty, US Congress building, Golden Gate Bridge, Grand Canyon in that situation. Those are probably the 4 most distinct landmarks that represent the US and are what foreigners think of when asked about US landmarks.

US Congress Building over the White House or Capital Building?

What about many of the locations in Philly? Independence Hall, Liberty Bell?

Sorry, Capitol building is what I should've said. And yeah, I'd put it over the White House. It's by far a more recognizable building (though oddly enough, I've run into more than my fair share of foreigners who thought the capitol building was was the white house. Probably because it is grander.)

As far as liberty bell, I outside of the bell itself, I couldn't tell you anything about the place it's at. I have no idea what independence hall looks like.

Liberty Bell isn't technically in the Independence Hall any more. It is in a separate building next to IH. C'mon anyone who has seen National Treasure would know that!

As dgreen said, you could do this just with DC items...

U.S. Capitol Building

The US Marine Corps War Memorial (AKA Iwo Jima)

Tomb of the Unknown Soldier (Arlington National Cemetery)

Lincoln Memorial

If I could cheat and toss the Lincoln out and call for the whole "National Mall" I would. That includes Lincoln, Washington, Vietnam Veterans, Korean War, WWII, and all of the Smithsonian Museums. If you have never been to DC, this is just a wonderful place to go.

 

[Henry Ford]

108 national monuments

Pick your top-4 from these actual US National Monuments

Those are not the same 108 that I consider National Monuments.

I agree. Seems like a weird list. How is Mt Rushmore not even on there? No Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln on there either. No Independence Hall, Liberty Bell either. One that I'm surprised no has mentioned or that is on the list is the Alamo.

Apparently Rushmore is a "National Memorial" but not a "National Monument." And it looks like the title of the Washington Monument is actually the "Washington National Monument" but it was never actually made a National Monument.

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

108 national monuments

Pick your top-4 from these actual US National Monuments

Those are not the same 108 that I consider National Monuments.

So you are looking for the Mount Rushmore of Things that are not National Monuments?

I'm looking for the Mount Rushmore of non-Mount Rushmore Mount Rushmores.

Nevermind. I'll Google it.