Muhammad Cartoon Contest in Garland Tx. Hundreds of ISIS In America (2 Viewers)

[Clifford]

So you think Manson should be set free? Curious...

 

[timschochet]

BTW- just to clarify- it doesn't have to necessarily be poverty. Economic dire straits can also mean a perceived threat to an existing middle class economic position: let's say that the lower middle class doesn't want to see themselves get tossed into the lower classes. Fear of poverty can just as easily lead to extremism as actual poverty. Two clear historical examples of this are Nazism and ISIS.

ISIS Is a religious death cult that has nothing to do with anything other than trying to bring about the Islam version of end times. Not similar to nazism at all.

Why do you think this religious death cult started and spread among lower middle class Iraqi Sunni Muslims only AFTER the Shiites were given control of the government in Baghdad? Why, if it's purely a religious movement, didn't it start 30 years ago? 50 years ago? Or much older?

And I never wrote that it was similar in ideology to Nazism. What's similar is how certain economic and political conditions created a perceived threat to economic status which led to the rise of an extremist movement.

 

[squistion]

Gay Couples Kiss In Front Of Westboro Protest

Is this equally as distasteful as the cartoon event? The intent to offend is pretty much the same in both cases.

Not everyone is offended by two dudes kissing.

Not everyone is offended by Mohammed cartoons, either.

I guess I missed all the gays shooting at the Westboro folks. Or them actually attacking gay people at the funerals they protest. No one expects violence from the Westboro people although there has been a police presence at funerals to protect them. Two guys kissing doesn't rise to the level of blasphemy that one would expect Westboro to go postal, while a deadly reaction to Mohammad cartoons is always a distinct possibility.

 

[timschochet]

So you think Manson should be set free? Curious...

Charles Manson ordered people to be murdered, much like Heinrich Himmler or Reinhard Heydrich (neither of whom performed murders themselves.) All Streicher did was write horrible anti-Semitic screeds in a newspaper. He didn't order anybody to be killed.

And we're far off base here.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

"Hey they shot Charlie Hebdo up for disparaging drawings of that there Mo-ham-med, lets have some fun and do the same here in Texas and see what happens"

(Said in your best redneck voice)

 

[Clifford]

BTW- just to clarify- it doesn't have to necessarily be poverty. Economic dire straits can also mean a perceived threat to an existing middle class economic position: let's say that the lower middle class doesn't want to see themselves get tossed into the lower classes. Fear of poverty can just as easily lead to extremism as actual poverty. Two clear historical examples of this are Nazism and ISIS.

ISIS Is a religious death cult that has nothing to do with anything other than trying to bring about the Islam version of end times. Not similar to nazism at all.

Why do you think this religious death cult started and spread among lower middle class Iraqi Sunni Muslims only AFTER the Shiites were given control of the government in Baghdad? Why, if it's purely a religious movement, didn't it start 30 years ago? 50 years ago? Or much older? And I never wrote that it was similar in ideology to Nazism. What's similar is how certain economic and political conditions created a perceived threat to economic status which led to the rise of an extremist movement.

Why are the poor of other countries not burning strangers alive? Why are the extreme poor of non-Islamic countries not doing this the world over?Because they don't believe they have a divine mission to kill people. Because they are not Islamic. It's real simple and we don't need to tap dance around the obvious answer. Besides, when you have a group like ISIS the root cause doesn't really matter. All that matters is figuring out how to exterminate them, like a virus or infestation. They are nothing but a human cancer completely devoid of any human worth. Their ideology is as irrelevant as the mental justification that a serial killer gives as to why he had to murder all those kids.

Also this is another easy answer: we removed the dictator brutal enough to keep this #### at bay, caused a Vaccum, and this is what rose up to fill the Vaccum.

 

[Clifford]

So you think Manson should be set free? Curious...

Charles Manson ordered people to be murdered, much like Heinrich Himmler or Reinhard Heydrich (neither of whom performed murders themselves.) All Streicher did was write horrible anti-Semitic screeds in a newspaper. He didn't order anybody to be killed. And we're far off base here.

And you don't consider him radical? Streicher?

 

[Dr Oadi]

"Hey they shot Charlie Hebdo up for disparaging drawings of that there Mo-ham-med, lets have some fun and do the same here in Texas and see what happens"

(Said in your best redneck voice)

There should be more of these to draw out their 71 soldiers so they can be sent to their 72 virgins. In your best redneck voice let's mock southerners and make excuses for the Islamists.

http://www.salon.com/2015/05/06/isis_claims_to_have_71_soldiers_in_15_states_ready_to_kill_pam_geller_and_any_who_defend_her/

 

[jonessed]

It's utter horse#### to take the written precepts of Islam out of the equation. Is there any other religion which dictates killing people not of the religion for violating its religious principles?

Following the religion to the letter dictates killing. I'm really tired of this fact being ignored and glossed over in the name of liberal ideals.

The unifying factor is not poverty or hopelessness. It is a fervent belief in Islam.

To your question, the answer is no. But that wasn't your assertion. However, again I disagree. Let's look at the numbers again. There are at latest count 1.7 billion Muslims in the world. Of these, perhaps half are "fervent believers" to use your words.Of those fervent believers, perhaps 1% ally themselves with radical Islam. Now, that's still 9 million people, a reasonably large number. Of those 9 million, there are perhaps 5% of them actually willing to commit violence and terrorism. So that's around 45,000 people, still a dangerous number for us.

But let's go back to the 9 million or so Muslims who align themselves with radical ideas. What separates them from the other 1.695 billion? I know you don't want to hear it, but for the vast majority it's economic poverty. So yeah, I gotta say it is a unifying factor.

Where are you getting all of these numbers from?

 

[timschochet]

It's utter horse#### to take the written precepts of Islam out of the equation. Is there any other religion which dictates killing people not of the religion for violating its religious principles?

Following the religion to the letter dictates killing. I'm really tired of this fact being ignored and glossed over in the name of liberal ideals.

The unifying factor is not poverty or hopelessness. It is a fervent belief in Islam.

To your question, the answer is no. But that wasn't your assertion. However, again I disagree. Let's look at the numbers again. There are at latest count 1.7 billion Muslims in the world. Of these, perhaps half are "fervent believers" to use your words.Of those fervent believers, perhaps 1% ally themselves with radical Islam. Now, that's still 9 million people, a reasonably large number. Of those 9 million, there are perhaps 5% of them actually willing to commit violence and terrorism. So that's around 45,000 people, still a dangerous number for us.

But let's go back to the 9 million or so Muslims who align themselves with radical ideas. What separates them from the other 1.695 billion? I know you don't want to hear it, but for the vast majority it's economic poverty. So yeah, I gotta say it is a unifying factor.

Where are you getting all of these numbers from?

From my ###. I know that's what you want hear right? These numbers are fairly standard. I actually increased the numbers of extremists simply based on reasonable percentages. If we just go by the number of members in the various terrorist groups then it becomes much smaller.

 

[boots11234]

It's utter horse#### to take the written precepts of Islam out of the equation. Is there any other religion which dictates killing people not of the religion for violating its religious principles?

Following the religion to the letter dictates killing. I'm really tired of this fact being ignored and glossed over in the name of liberal ideals.

The unifying factor is not poverty or hopelessness. It is a fervent belief in Islam.

To your question, the answer is no. But that wasn't your assertion. However, again I disagree. Let's look at the numbers again. There are at latest count 1.7 billion Muslims in the world. Of these, perhaps half are "fervent believers" to use your words.Of those fervent believers, perhaps 1% ally themselves with radical Islam. Now, that's still 9 million people, a reasonably large number. Of those 9 million, there are perhaps 5% of them actually willing to commit violence and terrorism. So that's around 45,000 people, still a dangerous number for us.

But let's go back to the 9 million or so Muslims who align themselves with radical ideas. What separates them from the other 1.695 billion? I know you don't want to hear it, but for the vast majority it's economic poverty. So yeah, I gotta say it is a unifying factor.

Where are you getting all of these numbers from?

His usual spot, his Angus. Go back to your own thread and stop pissing in others.

 

[timschochet]

It's utter horse#### to take the written precepts of Islam out of the equation. Is there any other religion which dictates killing people not of the religion for violating its religious principles?

Following the religion to the letter dictates killing. I'm really tired of this fact being ignored and glossed over in the name of liberal ideals.

The unifying factor is not poverty or hopelessness. It is a fervent belief in Islam.

To your question, the answer is no. But that wasn't your assertion. However, again I disagree. Let's look at the numbers again. There are at latest count 1.7 billion Muslims in the world. Of these, perhaps half are "fervent believers" to use your words.Of those fervent believers, perhaps 1% ally themselves with radical Islam. Now, that's still 9 million people, a reasonably large number. Of those 9 million, there are perhaps 5% of them actually willing to commit violence and terrorism. So that's around 45,000 people, still a dangerous number for us.

But let's go back to the 9 million or so Muslims who align themselves with radical ideas. What separates them from the other 1.695 billion? I know you don't want to hear it, but for the vast majority it's economic poverty. So yeah, I gotta say it is a unifying factor.

Where are you getting all of these numbers from?

His usual spot, his Angus. Go back to your own thread and stop pissing in others.

Jonessed doesn't have his own thread.

 

[CowboysFromHell]

Any thoughts on the fact that Simpson was an American who converted to islam? He's not Arab, not raised muslim, he had a job. He's the son of a dentist, pretty much from a good background and good family.

My thoughts: Poverty and hopelessness, not Islam, is the reason young men become extremists, is utter horse####.

I disagree.There are always going to be middle class and wealthy people who become attracted to extremist movements. Often that's due to romantic idealism. In my thread I'm narrating the Russian Revolution and it's striking just how many of the leading Communists were from either the lower or upper middle class. It was the same with the Nazis. It was the same with many of the 9/11 hijackers, and of course the mastermind of 9/11, Osama Bin Ladin, was a wealthy man. So people are always going to be able to point at these examples and call the poverty and hopelessness theory "utter horse####", as Clifford does here.

But- in all 3 movements- the Communists, the Nazis, and the radical Islamists- the MASS of the movement is made up of people who faced poverty and economic despair. The vast majority of those who join up in each case faced economic calamity and no hope: it's the same pattern over and over. The romantic idealists from better circumstances are outliers in each example (though due to their better education and leadership abilities, they often rise to leadership roles and become the "face" of the movement.) It's not horse####; for the vast majority it's true.

Sounds like you're blaming the sheep instead of the shepherd.

 

[CowboysFromHell]

It's utter horse#### to take the written precepts of Islam out of the equation. Is there any other religion which dictates killing people not of the religion for violating its religious principles?

Following the religion to the letter dictates killing. I'm really tired of this fact being ignored and glossed over in the name of liberal ideals.The unifying factor is not poverty or hopelessness. It is a fervent belief in Islam.

To your question, the answer is no. But that wasn't your assertion. However, again I disagree. Let's look at the numbers again. There are at latest count 1.7 billion Muslims in the world. Of these, perhaps half are "fervent believers" to use your words.Of those fervent believers, perhaps 1% ally themselves with radical Islam. Now, that's still 9 million people, a reasonably large number. Of those 9 million, there are perhaps 5% of them actually willing to commit violence and terrorism. So that's around 45,000 people, still a dangerous number for us.

But let's go back to the 9 million or so Muslims who align themselves with radical ideas. What separates them from the other 1.695 billion? I know you don't want to hear it, but for the vast majority it's economic poverty. So yeah, I gotta say it is a unifying factor.

Tim, you're making up numbers. I know this has been out there for awhile, and I'm sure you've probably seen it:

http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

There's some scary stuff in that report. Stuff that leads me to believe that radical, non-liberal, barbaric beliefs are not as marginalized within the Muslim world as you make it seem.

 

[CowboysFromHell]

There are Muslims who approve of terrorist and radical actions against the West, but would never engage in such actions themselves.

These are the Muslims from the so-called "Willie N-E-S-Lon" sect, amirite?

 

[renesauz]

Making fun of a people or their religion in the name of "Freedom of Speech" is childish and immature. When said people are known to be sensitive and typically over-react to such "freedom of speech", then doing so becomes not just insensitive/childish/immature, but just plain stupid and a blatant attempt to goad and bully.

There's a lot of reasons to dislike the Muslim world, but caricature contests about Muhamadd are just plain dumb and create more problems then they could ever solve.

 

[CowboysFromHell]

Any thoughts on the fact that Simpson was an American who converted to islam? He's not Arab, not raised muslim, he had a job. He's the son of a dentist, pretty much from a good background and good family.

Yes. Islam is the motherlode of bad ideas.

 

[CowboysFromHell]

Surprised nobody has brought up The Interview. Kind of a similar event, the main difference likely being that the threat of violence was not as credible, so there were a lot more people willing to wave the middle finger at the terrorist threat.

 

[rockaction]

Winner of cartoon contest announces on Twitter that he won't appear on any news broadcasts nor appear in any print outlets that won't show pictures of his cartoon. So awesome. These are the types of people that defend our freedoms in spirit and in deed.

 

[timschochet]

It's utter horse#### to take the written precepts of Islam out of the equation. Is there any other religion which dictates killing people not of the religion for violating its religious principles?

Following the religion to the letter dictates killing. I'm really tired of this fact being ignored and glossed over in the name of liberal ideals.The unifying factor is not poverty or hopelessness. It is a fervent belief in Islam.

To your question, the answer is no. But that wasn't your assertion. However, again I disagree. Let's look at the numbers again. There are at latest count 1.7 billion Muslims in the world. Of these, perhaps half are "fervent believers" to use your words.Of those fervent believers, perhaps 1% ally themselves with radical Islam. Now, that's still 9 million people, a reasonably large number. Of those 9 million, there are perhaps 5% of them actually willing to commit violence and terrorism. So that's around 45,000 people, still a dangerous number for us.

But let's go back to the 9 million or so Muslims who align themselves with radical ideas. What separates them from the other 1.695 billion? I know you don't want to hear it, but for the vast majority it's economic poverty. So yeah, I gotta say it is a unifying factor.

Tim, you're making up numbers. I know this has been out there for awhile, and I'm sure you've probably seen it:

http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

There's some scary stuff in that report. Stuff that leads me to believe that radical, non-liberal, barbaric beliefs are not as marginalized within the Muslim world as you make it seem.

It's utter horse#### to take the written precepts of Islam out of the equation. Is there any other religion which dictates killing people not of the religion for violating its religious principles?

Following the religion to the letter dictates killing. I'm really tired of this fact being ignored and glossed over in the name of liberal ideals.The unifying factor is not poverty or hopelessness. It is a fervent belief in Islam.

To your question, the answer is no. But that wasn't your assertion. However, again I disagree. Let's look at the numbers again. There are at latest count 1.7 billion Muslims in the world. Of these, perhaps half are "fervent believers" to use your words.Of those fervent believers, perhaps 1% ally themselves with radical Islam. Now, that's still 9 million people, a reasonably large number. Of those 9 million, there are perhaps 5% of them actually willing to commit violence and terrorism. So that's around 45,000 people, still a dangerous number for us.

But let's go back to the 9 million or so Muslims who align themselves with radical ideas. What separates them from the other 1.695 billion? I know you don't want to hear it, but for the vast majority it's economic poverty. So yeah, I gotta say it is a unifying factor.

Tim, you're making up numbers. I know this has been out there for awhile, and I'm sure you've probably seen it:

http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

There's some scary stuff in that report. Stuff that leads me to believe that radical, non-liberal, barbaric beliefs are not as marginalized within the Muslim world as you make it seem.

I want to be clear about this, I'm not making up any numbers. That poll refers to people's opinions. I'm speaking of the ones who actually join up. I don't believe in linking them all together though some people do.

I agree that the report is scary. I generally also agree that liberals are too defensive about the Islamic religion in general. I tend to agree with Bill Maher and Sam Harris on this subject. But I also don't believe that religion, any religion, is in itself the source of most extremism.

 

[timschochet]

Winner of cartoon contest announces on Twitter that he won't appear on any news broadcasts nor appear in any print outlets that won't show pictures of his cartoon. So awesome. These are the types of people that defend our freedoms in spirit and in deed.

Couldn't disagree more. I don't think he's defending anything. He's an idiot. I hope he doesn't appear on any broadcasts or print outlets, period. Unfortunately there will always be people around who want to promote his idiocy.

The only defenders of freedom in this story are the police officers who put their lives on the line defending these fools. That's their job, but they should never have had to be there in the first place.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Making fun of a people or their religion in the name of "Freedom of Speech" is childish and immature.

I doubt they did it in the name of free speech. I suspect they did it in the name of lulz.

 

[rockaction]

Winner of cartoon contest announces on Twitter that he won't appear on any news broadcasts nor appear in any print outlets that won't show pictures of his cartoon. So awesome. These are the types of people that defend our freedoms in spirit and in deed.

Couldn't disagree more. I don't think he's defending anything. He's an idiot. I hope he doesn't appear on any broadcasts or print outlets, period. Unfortunately there will always be people around who want to promote his idiocy.

The only defenders of freedom in this story are the police officers who put their lives on the line defending these fools. That's their job, but they should never have had to be there in the first place.

Did you see the cartoon?



eta* The "idiot[ic]" former Muslim drew this:

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/05/the_muhammad_cartoon_that_won_the_draw_muhammad_contest.html

 

[timschochet]

Winner of cartoon contest announces on Twitter that he won't appear on any news broadcasts nor appear in any print outlets that won't show pictures of his cartoon. So awesome. These are the types of people that defend our freedoms in spirit and in deed.

Couldn't disagree more. I don't think he's defending anything. He's an idiot. I hope he doesn't appear on any broadcasts or print outlets, period. Unfortunately there will always be people around who want to promote his idiocy.

The only defenders of freedom in this story are the police officers who put their lives on the line defending these fools. That's their job, but they should never have had to be there in the first place.

Did you see the cartoon?



eta* The "idiot[ic]" former Muslim drew this:

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/05/the_muhammad_cartoon_that_won_the_draw_muhammad_contest.html

Yes. I saw it.

 

[rockaction]

Winner of cartoon contest announces on Twitter that he won't appear on any news broadcasts nor appear in any print outlets that won't show pictures of his cartoon. So awesome. These are the types of people that defend our freedoms in spirit and in deed.

Couldn't disagree more. I don't think he's defending anything. He's an idiot. I hope he doesn't appear on any broadcasts or print outlets, period. Unfortunately there will always be people around who want to promote his idiocy.

The only defenders of freedom in this story are the police officers who put their lives on the line defending these fools. That's their job, but they should never have had to be there in the first place.

Did you see the cartoon?



eta* The "idiot[ic]" former Muslim drew this:

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/05/the_muhammad_cartoon_that_won_the_draw_muhammad_contest.html

Yes. I saw it.

Clearly seems to me to be about not cowering to the sword and is an affirmation of free speech and expression.

 

[timschochet]

It would have been more correct for Muhammad to say, "You shouldn't draw me, because if you do it will offend millions of the Islamic religion, and a small but significant minority might cause violence."

And then the artist could have written, "That's why I draw you, because I want to insult those millions, and I'm hoping some of them act in a violent way because that will serve to justify my bigotry against the entire religion."

This would have been far more accurate, if a little less succinct.

 

[rockaction]

It would have been more correct for Muhammad to say, "You shouldn't draw me, because if you do it will offend millions of the Islamic religion, and a small but significant minority might cause violence."

And then the artist could have written, "That's why I draw you, because I want to insult those millions, and I'm hoping some of them act in a violent way because that will serve to justify my bigotry against the entire religion."

This would have been far more accurate, if a little less succinct.

Nope. It's pretty clearly directly targeted at those who would cause violence and advocate violent reprisals against those who would practice freedom of speech and expression.

An excellent editorial cartoon, and perfectly defiant.

 

[cstu]

If I sponsor a "Target Practice on Jesus Day (He took nails for your sins, now he's taking lead for enjoyment!)" I'm fairly confident I'd be putting my life at risk even though it's perfectly within my 1st Amendment right.

 

[boots11234]

If I sponsor a "Target Practice on Jesus Day (He took nails for your sins, now he's taking lead for enjoyment!)" I'm fairly confident I'd be putting my life at risk even though it's perfectly within my 1st Amendment right.

Lol really? Not your life but certainly your soul. Oh wait I remember the 100's of beheadings after piss Christ. Not. Get a clue.

 

[cstu]

If I sponsor a "Target Practice on Jesus Day (He took nails for your sins, now he's taking lead for enjoyment!)" I'm fairly confident I'd be putting my life at risk even though it's perfectly within my 1st Amendment right.

Lol really? Not your life but certainly your soul. Oh wait I remember the 100's of beheadings after piss Christ. Not. Get a clue.

Controversy has followed the work ever since, but reached an unprecedented peak on Palm Sunday when it was attacked with hammers and destroyed after an "anti-blasphemy" campaign by French Catholic fundamentalists in the southern city of Avignon.

The violent slashing of the picture, and another Serrano photograph of a meditating nun, has plunged secular France into soul-searching about Christian fundamentalism and Nicolas Sarkozy's use of religious populism in his bid for re-election next year.

And my soul? If only...

 

[boots11234]

If I sponsor a "Target Practice on Jesus Day (He took nails for your sins, now he's taking lead for enjoyment!)" I'm fairly confident I'd be putting my life at risk even though it's perfectly within my 1st Amendment right.

Lol really? Not your life but certainly your soul. Oh wait I remember the 100's of beheadings after piss Christ. Not. Get a clue.

Controversy has followed the work ever since, but reached an unprecedented peak on Palm Sunday when it was attacked with hammers and destroyed after an "anti-blasphemy" campaign by French Catholic fundamentalists in the southern city of Avignon.

The violent slashing of the picture, and another Serrano photograph of a meditating nun, has plunged secular France into soul-searching about Christian fundamentalism and Nicolas Sarkozy's use of religious populism in his bid for re-election next year.

And my soul? If only...

Ur a joke. We're heads rolling?? Ummm nope. I got an idea, you can do one or the other: go to Vatican city and after Sunday mass when everyone is exiting and #### on a cross.

Or

Or go to meca and sell pics of the prophet after service.

You can only chose one. Which one do you think you'll have a better chance of living after. You're so dumb.

Furthermore I'm guessing you have an advanced degree as such confused reasoning usually indicates such.

 

[timschochet]

boots11234 is crude and unnecessarily insulting, but in his argument he is also right. There is no extremist Christisn analogy to Islam. First off the percentage of extremist Christians is far smaller than the percentage of extremist Muslims. Second, most extremist Christians don't resort to violence; the ones that do are a very small handful- nowhere close to the 1% of radical Muslims who are committed to violence.

 

[Daywalker]

If I sponsor a "Target Practice on Jesus Day (He took nails for your sins, now he's taking lead for enjoyment!)" I'm fairly confident I'd be putting my life at risk even though it's perfectly within my 1st Amendment right.

Railing on Christianity, pope and Jesus so common it's basically hack material. Railing on Mohammed not so much.

 

[rockaction]

boots11234 is crude and unnecessarily insulting, but in his argument he is also right. There is no extremist Christisn analogy to Islam. First off the percentage of extremist Christians is far smaller than the percentage of extremist Muslims. Second, most extremist Christians don't resort to violence; the ones that do are a very small handful- nowhere close to the 1% of radical Muslims who are committed to violence.

If you keep saying it, it still doesn't mean anybody takes that statistic seriously, nor by not answering does anyone acquiesce in your passing it off as accurate.

 

[3C's]

Winner of cartoon contest announces on Twitter that he won't appear on any news broadcasts nor appear in any print outlets that won't show pictures of his cartoon. So awesome. These are the types of people that defend our freedoms in spirit and in deed.

Couldn't disagree more. I don't think he's defending anything. He's an idiot. I hope he doesn't appear on any broadcasts or print outlets, period. Unfortunately there will always be people around who want to promote his idiocy.

The only defenders of freedom in this story are the police officers who put their lives on the line defending these fools. That's their job, but they should never have had to be there in the first place.

Did you see the cartoon?



eta* The "idiot[ic]" former Muslim drew this:

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/05/the_muhammad_cartoon_that_won_the_draw_muhammad_contest.html

Holy crap! The one thing I learned in there (comments) is that Fox News isn't fair and balanced or conservative and that "radical homosexuals" are more violent than radical islamists.

 

[rockaction]

Winner of cartoon contest announces on Twitter that he won't appear on any news broadcasts nor appear in any print outlets that won't show pictures of his cartoon. So awesome. These are the types of people that defend our freedoms in spirit and in deed.

Couldn't disagree more. I don't think he's defending anything. He's an idiot. I hope he doesn't appear on any broadcasts or print outlets, period. Unfortunately there will always be people around who want to promote his idiocy.

The only defenders of freedom in this story are the police officers who put their lives on the line defending these fools. That's their job, but they should never have had to be there in the first place.

Did you see the cartoon?



eta* The "idiot[ic]" former Muslim drew this:

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/05/the_muhammad_cartoon_that_won_the_draw_muhammad_contest.html

Holy crap! The one thing I learned in there (comments) is that Fox News isn't fair and balanced or conservative and that "radical homosexuals" are more violent than radical islamists.

You read the comments??

 

[3C's]

Winner of cartoon contest announces on Twitter that he won't appear on any news broadcasts nor appear in any print outlets that won't show pictures of his cartoon. So awesome. These are the types of people that defend our freedoms in spirit and in deed.

Couldn't disagree more. I don't think he's defending anything. He's an idiot. I hope he doesn't appear on any broadcasts or print outlets, period. Unfortunately there will always be people around who want to promote his idiocy.

The only defenders of freedom in this story are the police officers who put their lives on the line defending these fools. That's their job, but they should never have had to be there in the first place.

Did you see the cartoon?



eta* The "idiot[ic]" former Muslim drew this:

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/05/the_muhammad_cartoon_that_won_the_draw_muhammad_contest.html

Holy crap! The one thing I learned in there (comments) is that Fox News isn't fair and balanced or conservative and that "radical homosexuals" are more violent than radical islamists.

You read the comments??

I had to (not so) slowly back away.

 

[TPW]

When your fellow countrymen disparage you and assign blame to you for engaging in a noncriminal act while defending the sensibilities of would be mass murderers, it a certain sign that the nation you live in has reached a tipping point. We no longer have each other's back. I've known this for awhile but as the left's mask continues to slip during the reign of Obama and its fascistic tendencies are revealed, more and more people are seeing it. Homicidal Islamic extremists are simply fellow travelers in their hatred of all things within what used to be traditional Judeo-Christian American culture.

On a related note, apparently the FBI and Department of Homeland Security are not interested in investigating the shooting or the death threats issued against the event organizers.

 

[Apple Jack]

When your fellow countrymen disparage you and assign blame to you for engaging in a noncriminal act while defending the sensibilities of would be mass murderers, it a certain sign that the nation you live in has reached a tipping point. We no longer have each other's back. I've known this for awhile but as the left's mask continues to slip during the reign of Obama and its fascistic tendencies are revealed, more and more people are seeing it. Homicidal Islamic extremists are simply fellow travelers in their hatred of all things within what used to be traditional Judeo-Christian American culture.

On a related note, apparently the FBI and Department of Homeland Security are not interested in investigating the shooting or the death threats issued against the event organizers.

Link?

Acknowledging that something is predictable is not in the same universe as defending. HTH.

 

[rockaction]

When your fellow countrymen disparage you and assign blame to you for engaging in a noncriminal act while defending the sensibilities of would be mass murderers, it a certain sign that the nation you live in has reached a tipping point. We no longer have each other's back. I've known this for awhile but as the left's mask continues to slip during the reign of Obama and its fascistic tendencies are revealed, more and more people are seeing it. Homicidal Islamic extremists are simply fellow travelers in their hatred of all things within what used to be traditional Judeo-Christian American culture.

On a related note, apparently the FBI and Department of Homeland Security are not interested in investigating the shooting or the death threats issued against the event organizers.

I think that's a little overstated, especially the fascistic tendencies part, but I am troubled by the reactions to Pamela Geller and this event, especially from quarters that ought to know better about the sanctity of speech and the utter deplorableness of those who would use violence to silence it. It's a reaction that at best lacks an understanding of how our republic works and at worst is fueled by cowardice and acquiescence.

 

[TPW]

When your fellow countrymen disparage you and assign blame to you for engaging in a noncriminal act while defending the sensibilities of would be mass murderers, it a certain sign that the nation you live in has reached a tipping point. We no longer have each other's back. I've known this for awhile but as the left's mask continues to slip during the reign of Obama and its fascistic tendencies are revealed, more and more people are seeing it. Homicidal Islamic extremists are simply fellow travelers in their hatred of all things within what used to be traditional Judeo-Christian American culture.

On a related note, apparently the FBI and Department of Homeland Security are not interested in investigating the shooting or the death threats issued against the event organizers.

Link?

Acknowledging that something is predictable is not in the same universe as defending. HTH.

It's precisely the reason that it is predictable which is the problem. But you guys would rather argue over the message and the nature of the messenger. HTH.

 

[matuski]

When your fellow countrymen disparage you and assign blame to you for engaging in a noncriminal act while defending the sensibilities of would be mass murderers, it a certain sign that the nation you live in has reached a tipping point. We no longer have each other's back. I've known this for awhile but as the left's mask continues to slip during the reign of Obama and its fascistic tendencies are revealed, more and more people are seeing it. Homicidal Islamic extremists are simply fellow travelers in their hatred of all things within what used to be traditional Judeo-Christian American culture.

On a related note, apparently the FBI and Department of Homeland Security are not interested in investigating the shooting or the death threats issued against the event organizers.

I think that's a little overstated, especially the fascistic tendencies part, but I am troubled by the reactions to Pamela Geller and this event, especially from quarters that ought to know better about the sanctity of speech and the utter deplorableness of those who would use violence to silence it. It's a reaction that at best lacks an understanding of how our republic works and at worst is fueled by cowardice and acquiescence.

I must have missed the examples of anyone attacking free speech.

I can't help but agree with those noting how stupid this stunt was. Stupid religious people baiting stupid religious people.

The response from stupid people influenced by religion to other stupid people influenced by religion must have shocked a lot of stupid people.

 

[Sinn Fein]

When your fellow countrymen disparage you and assign blame to you for engaging in a noncriminal act while defending the sensibilities of would be mass murderers, it a certain sign that the nation you live in has reached a tipping point. We no longer have each other's back. I've known this for awhile but as the left's mask continues to slip during the reign of Obama and its fascistic tendencies are revealed, more and more people are seeing it. Homicidal Islamic extremists are simply fellow travelers in their hatred of all things within what used to be traditional Judeo-Christian American culture.

On a related note, apparently the FBI and Department of Homeland Security are not interested in investigating the shooting or the death threats issued against the event organizers.

tipping point indeed

 

[rockaction]

When your fellow countrymen disparage you and assign blame to you for engaging in a noncriminal act while defending the sensibilities of would be mass murderers, it a certain sign that the nation you live in has reached a tipping point. We no longer have each other's back. I've known this for awhile but as the left's mask continues to slip during the reign of Obama and its fascistic tendencies are revealed, more and more people are seeing it. Homicidal Islamic extremists are simply fellow travelers in their hatred of all things within what used to be traditional Judeo-Christian American culture.

On a related note, apparently the FBI and Department of Homeland Security are not interested in investigating the shooting or the death threats issued against the event organizers.

I think that's a little overstated, especially the fascistic tendencies part, but I am troubled by the reactions to Pamela Geller and this event, especially from quarters that ought to know better about the sanctity of speech and the utter deplorableness of those who would use violence to silence it. It's a reaction that at best lacks an understanding of how our republic works and at worst is fueled by cowardice and acquiescence.

I must have missed the examples of anyone attacking free speech.

I can't help but agree with those noting how stupid this stunt was. Stupid religious people baiting stupid religious people.

The response from stupid people influenced by religion to other stupid people influenced by religion must have shocked a lot of stupid people.

You did. Lots of people are calling for a rethinking of "hate speech" and "free speech"

This is Breitbart, but its anecdotes and reading of polls are correct, I surmise.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/05/06/media-look-to-criminalize-hate-speech-after-gellers-mohammed-drawing-event/

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

When your fellow countrymen disparage you and assign blame to you for engaging in a noncriminal act while defending the sensibilities of would be mass murderers, it a certain sign that the nation you live in has reached a tipping point. We no longer have each other's back. I've known this for awhile but as the left's mask continues to slip during the reign of Obama and its fascistic tendencies are revealed, more and more people are seeing it. Homicidal Islamic extremists are simply fellow travelers in their hatred of all things within what used to be traditional Judeo-Christian American culture.

On a related note, apparently the FBI and Department of Homeland Security are not interested in investigating the shooting or the death threats issued against the event organizers.

I think that's a little overstated, especially the fascistic tendencies part, but I am troubled by the reactions to Pamela Geller and this event, especially from quarters that ought to know better about the sanctity of speech and the utter deplorableness of those who would use violence to silence it. It's a reaction that at best lacks an understanding of how our republic works and at worst is fueled by cowardice and acquiescence.

I must have missed the examples of anyone attacking free speech.

I can't help but agree with those noting how stupid this stunt was. Stupid religious people baiting stupid religious people.

The response from stupid people influenced by religion to other stupid people influenced by religion must have shocked a lot of stupid people.

Why does this argument keep going around and around on a carousel then?

There is the contingent that says "religion" is "stupid", that religion is to blame. Here is a group that comes out and mocks the hostility of one element of one religion, and then they are mocked for doing that.

And then everyone in this thread seems to have agreed from the beginning that the state or government shouldn't stop such events, and everyone seems to agree that the Gellar group was free to do what it did, and yet there is this constant echo that they shouldn't have done what they did.

So ok everyone has agreed that maybe some to many wouldn't have done it, but this group was free to do what it did, and the police did a stupendous job taking down a couple sickos.

And everyone agrees that people are going to do things that maybe even many to most would never do themselves. But no one is trying to stop that from happening in the future, right?

 

[matuski]

When your fellow countrymen disparage you and assign blame to you for engaging in a noncriminal act while defending the sensibilities of would be mass murderers, it a certain sign that the nation you live in has reached a tipping point. We no longer have each other's back. I've known this for awhile but as the left's mask continues to slip during the reign of Obama and its fascistic tendencies are revealed, more and more people are seeing it. Homicidal Islamic extremists are simply fellow travelers in their hatred of all things within what used to be traditional Judeo-Christian American culture.

On a related note, apparently the FBI and Department of Homeland Security are not interested in investigating the shooting or the death threats issued against the event organizers.

I think that's a little overstated, especially the fascistic tendencies part, but I am troubled by the reactions to Pamela Geller and this event, especially from quarters that ought to know better about the sanctity of speech and the utter deplorableness of those who would use violence to silence it. It's a reaction that at best lacks an understanding of how our republic works and at worst is fueled by cowardice and acquiescence.

I must have missed the examples of anyone attacking free speech.

I can't help but agree with those noting how stupid this stunt was. Stupid religious people baiting stupid religious people.

The response from stupid people influenced by religion to other stupid people influenced by religion must have shocked a lot of stupid people.

Why does this argument keep going around and around on a carousel then?

There is the contingent that says "religion" is "stupid", that religion is to blame. Here is a group that comes out and mocks the hostility of one element of one religion, and then they are mocked for doing that.

And then everyone in this thread seems to have agreed from the beginning that the state or government shouldn't stop such events, and everyone seems to agree that the Gellar group was free to do what it did, and yet there is this constant echo that they shouldn't have done what they did.

So ok everyone has agreed that maybe some to many wouldn't have done it, but this group was free to do what it did, and the police did a stupendous job taking down a couple sickos.

And everyone agrees that people are going to do things that maybe even many to most would never do themselves. But no one is trying to stop that from happening in the future, right?

wat

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

When your fellow countrymen disparage you and assign blame to you for engaging in a noncriminal act while defending the sensibilities of would be mass murderers, it a certain sign that the nation you live in has reached a tipping point. We no longer have each other's back. I've known this for awhile but as the left's mask continues to slip during the reign of Obama and its fascistic tendencies are revealed, more and more people are seeing it. Homicidal Islamic extremists are simply fellow travelers in their hatred of all things within what used to be traditional Judeo-Christian American culture.

On a related note, apparently the FBI and Department of Homeland Security are not interested in investigating the shooting or the death threats issued against the event organizers.

I think that's a little overstated, especially the fascistic tendencies part, but I am troubled by the reactions to Pamela Geller and this event, especially from quarters that ought to know better about the sanctity of speech and the utter deplorableness of those who would use violence to silence it. It's a reaction that at best lacks an understanding of how our republic works and at worst is fueled by cowardice and acquiescence.

I must have missed the examples of anyone attacking free speech.

I can't help but agree with those noting how stupid this stunt was. Stupid religious people baiting stupid religious people.

The response from stupid people influenced by religion to other stupid people influenced by religion must have shocked a lot of stupid people.

Why does this argument keep going around and around on a carousel then?

There is the contingent that says "religion" is "stupid", that religion is to blame. Here is a group that comes out and mocks the hostility of one element of one religion, and then they are mocked for doing that.

And then everyone in this thread seems to have agreed from the beginning that the state or government shouldn't stop such events, and everyone seems to agree that the Gellar group was free to do what it did, and yet there is this constant echo that they shouldn't have done what they did.

So ok everyone has agreed that maybe some to many wouldn't have done it, but this group was free to do what it did, and the police did a stupendous job taking down a couple sickos.

And everyone agrees that people are going to do things that maybe even many to most would never do themselves. But no one is trying to stop that from happening in the future, right?

wat

Yeah, exactly, wat.

 

[Apple Jack]

Personally, this has nothing to do with hate speech or religion. More along the lines of not arguing with a guy who is manic, on pcp, drunk, and waving a gun around. More like that. It's certainly your right to do that if you like, but if you do Darwin has a table with your name on it.

 

[matuski]

If you poke someone, don't go crying when they poke back.

Really that simple.

Should drawing a cartoon be considered poking someone? Not to a rational person. Unfortunately religion isn't bound by rational thought. Looking at the groups history, it is pretty obvious this wasn't just some innocent exercise of free speech - it was poking at another religion. Stupid people baiting stupid people + religion = awesome.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

And everyone agrees that people are going to do things that maybe even many to most would never do themselves. But no one is trying to stop that from happening in the future, right?

Nope.