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My brother says Neil Peart is the greatest rock drummer ever (2 Viewers)

Hmmmm...

Being that this is tim's thread, it's only appropiate to imagine Ayn Rand, tim, Lester Bangs, and Joan Jett sitting in a Temple of Syrinx.

Ok....

"This Canadian power trio, which boasts a vocalist who sounds like a cross between Donald Duck and Robert Plant, reached its pinnacle of success the day it was discovered by Circus magazine and turned into fanzine wall-decoration material. Rush is to the late Seventies what Grand Funk was to the early Seventies - the power boogie band for the 16 magazine graduating class. Rush Archives, a reissue of the first LPs, is docked one star for pointlessness." (Alan Niester, 1979 RS Record Guide)


Devoting a whole side of your album to a seven-part suite about the dystopian future of year 2112 (and inspired by the writings of Ayn Rand, no less), was hardly a move likely to endear you to many rock critics in the 1970s, and indeed, Rush received a particularly antagonistic entry in the first edition of the record guide. (Up to this point, RS had not bothered to review any of Rush's albums in the magazine proper.) To be honest, I'm no Rush fanatic myself, and find a lot of what I've heard to be kind of silly (though "Spirit of the Radio" is a great song). I also suspect that had I first heard them when I was fifteen instead of well into my thirties I might view Rush a little differently now. In any event, I hardly think my viewpoint is of much use to someone that is actually interested in this band. Alan Niester, who clearly despises Rush, makes no attempt to describe their music other than to say that they are a "power boogie band" in the tradition of Grand Funk Railroad - not a particularly helpful analogy. Frankly, it's hard to see how his record guide entry, quoted in its entirety above, was any more help than no review at all. The fact that he docked the band's box set one star for "pointlessness" - which results in a rating of "no stars" - speaks volumes.

Despite Alan Niester's contention that Rush's "pinnacle" occurred when the band was discovered by Circus magazine, Rush was, in fact, on the cusp of its greatest commercial and critical success when the first edition of the record guide was coming to print. Permanent Waves, released in 1980, and Moving Pictures, which came out in 1981, both reached the Top 5 in the United States. By 1983, Rolling Stone had made a complete turnaround on Rush. John Swenson rated 2112 four stars in the second edition of the record guide, writing that "[t]he band's dogged determination to improve finally paid off when their sound and conception suddenly gelled on 2112, a science fiction concept album that stands up favorably against similar efforts by British counterparts."

http://rateyourmusic.com/list/schmidtt/rolling_stones_500_worst_reviews_of_all_time__work_in_progress_/3/
A Farewell to Kings [Mercury, 1977]
The most obnoxious band currently making a killing on the zonked teen circuit. Not to be confused with Mahogany Rush, who at least spare us the reactionary gentility. More like Angel. Or Kansas. Or a power-trio Uriah Heep, with vocals revved up an octave. Or two. D

http://robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=3621&name=Rush
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

 
BTW, I know Frank DiMino - former lead singer of the band Angel and can still sing his ### off and make a PA scream - and his stories of the road back in the day touring with other bands can make a classic book. Great guy, and can sing better than Lee this day and forward.

Yes, I did bring up Punky's Whips with him, and even sang it with him.

 
Did I miss anything in the last two pages?

I'll go FBG and use tiers instead of shooting all the way to "greatest", and I'm putting Peart in tier one with some company who have been previously mentioned: Bruford, Bozzio, Copeland, Gadd, Baker, Cobham, Wackerman, Morganstien. Probably a few more I am missing.

Picking the greatest from the tier ones is like debating ADP vs Barry Sanders vs Jim Brown. For my money, it is Bruford #1 and Peart #2 for all time greatest. Just something about Bruford's style and history that does it for me over Peart.

Btw, watch out for that Jonny Fishman--he is learning to play real good and might make the jump to tier one someday.

 
pecorino said:
Did I miss anything in the last two pages?
drummer: PEART SUCKS AND JAZZ ME ARCANE JACK BLACK COLAVITO NEW ORLEANS ME NAME DROPPING LOL@ RUSH FAN THERE'S MORE THAN ONE DRUMMER n00Bz!!!

everyone else: what? Peart is good.

drummer: n00Bz!!! HERE'S A YOUTUBE LINK WITH NINE VIEWS AND TWO LIKES ONE DISLIKE GET OFF PEART'S JUNK!

everyone else: :confused:

 
pecorino said:
Did I miss anything in the last two pages?

I'll go FBG and use tiers instead of shooting all the way to "greatest", and I'm putting Peart in tier one with some company who have been previously mentioned: Bruford, Bozzio, Copeland, Gadd, Baker, Cobham, Wackerman, Morganstien. Probably a few more I am missing.

Picking the greatest from the tier ones is like debating ADP vs Barry Sanders vs Jim Brown. For my money, it is Bruford #1 and Peart #2 for all time greatest. Just something about Bruford's style and history that does it for me over Peart.

Btw, watch out for that Jonny Fishman--he is learning to play real good and might make the jump to tier one someday.
Not really.

That's a great tier one you've got there. :cool:

 
I think it's both funny and ironic that the guy in this thread who is ripping Peart is the one being accused of condescension. How often does that happen?

 
pecorino said:
Did I miss anything in the last two pages?
drummer: PEART SUCKS AND JAZZ ME ARCANE JACK BLACK COLAVITO NEW ORLEANS ME NAME DROPPING LOL@ RUSH FAN THERE'S MORE THAN ONE DRUMMER n00Bz!!!

everyone else: what? Peart is good.

drummer: n00Bz!!! HERE'S A YOUTUBE LINK WITH NINE VIEWS AND TWO LIKES ONE DISLIKE GET OFF PEART'S JUNK!

everyone else: :confused:
Racist

 
I think it's both funny and ironic that the guy in this thread who is ripping Peart is the one being accused of condescension. How often does that happen?
What's funny is that people think I'm bashing Peart because I don't find him as relevant as Max Roach. That's the funny part.

 
I'm bumping this thread because this is awesome:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xeg3WOY7mW0

Now I dunno: do you hear more Peart in this, or more of a Travis Barker? I hate Blink 182 and don't listen to them at all, but I would think that drummers like Lars Ulrich, Brant Bjork, and Barker have a larger influence in rock than Peart does.

Oh hey Rush geek: quick, find me a clip of Peart doing this before Rush:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPrK1HGX_cs

Cobham >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rush.

 
BTW, almost every drummer is talking about this guy right now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R21uNsHfgd0

I would guess to think yes, he has heard of Peart, even though he sounds a lot like Cobham.

Cobham >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /thread.

 
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That White Reaper track is totally awesome. Great garage-y sound.

Cobham is a beast.

Peart is a great drummer.

The three statements above are all true and have nothing to do with each other.

Though i know the original intent of this thread was to discuss if Peart is the GOAT, it seems obvious to me that even if certain people don't believe he's the GOAT, to say he's not a great drummer, and one of the top 1% of humans to ever play the instrument, is just being contrarian for the heck of it.

 
BTW, almost every drummer is talking about this guy right now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R21uNsHfgd0

I would guess to think yes, he has heard of Peart, even though he sounds a lot like Cobham.

Cobham >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /thread.
Hard night out? Need to beat on some Peart/Rush fans? Go ahead, we can take it. We're there for you.

 
BTW, almost every drummer is talking about this guy right now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R21uNsHfgd0

I would guess to think yes, he has heard of Peart, even though he sounds a lot like Cobham.

Cobham >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /thread.
Do you consider Cobham to be a "rock" drummer, like the thread title states? I don't. He's a phenomenal "jazz" drummer. IMO, lots of jazz musicians blow the doors off of their rock counterparts. John Entwistle is perhaps the greatest "rock" bassist but I'm not so sure he's better than Jaco. But Jaco's not a "rock" bassist.

Paco DeLucia was a wonderful fusion/flamenco guitarist, but I doubt we'd say he was a better "rock" guitarist than Jimi. I don't think you're comparing apples to apples.

:2cents:

 
BTW, almost every drummer is talking about this guy right now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R21uNsHfgd0

I would guess to think yes, he has heard of Peart, even though he sounds a lot like Cobham.

Cobham >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /thread.
Do you consider Cobham to be a "rock" drummer, like the thread title states? I don't. He's a phenomenal "jazz" drummer. IMO, lots of jazz musicians blow the doors off of their rock counterparts. John Entwistle is perhaps the greatest "rock" bassist but I'm not so sure he's better than Jaco. But Jaco's not a "rock" bassist.

Paco DeLucia was a wonderful fusion/flamenco guitarist, but I doubt we'd say he was a better "rock" guitarist than Jimi. I don't think you're comparing apples to apples.

:2cents:
You are wasting your time stating the obvious to trolls.

 
BTW, almost every drummer is talking about this guy right now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R21uNsHfgd0

I would guess to think yes, he has heard of Peart, even though he sounds a lot like Cobham.

Cobham >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /thread.
Do you consider Cobham to be a "rock" drummer, like the thread title states? I don't. He's a phenomenal "jazz" drummer. IMO, lots of jazz musicians blow the doors off of their rock counterparts. John Entwistle is perhaps the greatest "rock" bassist but I'm not so sure he's better than Jaco. But Jaco's not a "rock" bassist.

Paco DeLucia was a wonderful fusion/flamenco guitarist, but I doubt we'd say he was a better "rock" guitarist than Jimi. I don't think you're comparing apples to apples.

:2cents:
Obviously you missed the Quadrant 4 Cobham track.

Again, it's about the sphere of influence. Peart isn't even the most imitated drummer, nor the most influential in any genre. Thus, he isn't the Greatest Drummer in anything except Rush. Who isn't the greatest band in rock, nor the most influential.

Heck, just read any YouTube comment showing a drummer, and everybody is saying "he isn't as good as Travis Barker". It's like Blink 182 fans are the new Rush fans, which is probably very reasonable to think so.

 
BTW, DJ Fontana needs a mention here. Ya know, because people figure rock drumming = YYZ.

When you hear D.J. Fontana playing his drums you are hearing a kid from Shreveport, LA tell you what he thinks music should sound like. Rock 'n' Roll had a clean slate. There were no drum parts written for him on those Elvis records. He dictated the groove and made you feel it. There is no one on this earth that can make music move the way he did. He set the standard. Listen close to hits like "Heartbreak Hotel", "Jail House Rock," "Teddy Bear," "Hound Dog," Love Me Tender," "Blue Suede Shoes," and you hear the blueprint of the foundation for all Rock'n' Roll being formed. When that is understood, one can truly appreciate D.J.'s influence on drummers like Ringo and Charlie Watts, and feel his effect on the next forty years of music.
http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/DJ_Fontana.html

So again, sphere of influence:

Fontana >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peart.

 
Let me wrap this up for everyone. Peart is a great drummer. There are many great drummers. There is no best drummer ever.

 
Let me wrap this up for everyone. Peart is a great drummer. There are many great drummers. There is no best drummer ever.
Yeah, post something like that for anything.

"There is no greatest slice of bread ever".

That's a real contribution to a thread.

 
Let me wrap this up for everyone. Peart is a great drummer. There are many great drummers. There is no best drummer ever.
Yeah, post something like that for anything.

"There is no greatest slice of bread ever".

That's a real contribution to a thread.
Oh by all means keep arguing with Tim. It's really making this thread great.
Well, if tim were in this conversation (which he isn't), you'd have to think of he believing:

Keith Richards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over everybody else including Chuck Berry.

 
Let me wrap this up for everyone. Peart is a great drummer. There are many great drummers. There is no best drummer ever.
Yeah, post something like that for anything.

"There is no greatest slice of bread ever".

That's a real contribution to a thread.
Oh by all means keep arguing with Tim. It's really making this thread great.
Well, if tim were in this conversation (which he isn't), you'd have to think of he believing:

Keith Richards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over everybody else including Chuck Berry.
You are right. You can likely understand how I mistook all the Rush fans for Tim though.

 
BTW, almost every drummer is talking about this guy right now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R21uNsHfgd0

I would guess to think yes, he has heard of Peart, even though he sounds a lot like Cobham.

Cobham >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /thread.
Do you consider Cobham to be a "rock" drummer, like the thread title states? I don't. He's a phenomenal "jazz" drummer. IMO, lots of jazz musicians blow the doors off of their rock counterparts. John Entwistle is perhaps the greatest "rock" bassist but I'm not so sure he's better than Jaco. But Jaco's not a "rock" bassist.

Paco DeLucia was a wonderful fusion/flamenco guitarist, but I doubt we'd say he was a better "rock" guitarist than Jimi. I don't think you're comparing apples to apples.

:2cents:
Apropos of absolutely nothing, his recording with John McLaughlin and Al DiMeola, Friday Night in San Francisco, is probably my favorite in my whole collection. :thumbup:

Even though critics panned it. And it has no drums. :oldunsure:

 
BTW, almost every drummer is talking about this guy right now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R21uNsHfgd0

I would guess to think yes, he has heard of Peart, even though he sounds a lot like Cobham.

Cobham >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /thread.
Do you consider Cobham to be a "rock" drummer, like the thread title states? I don't. He's a phenomenal "jazz" drummer. IMO, lots of jazz musicians blow the doors off of their rock counterparts. John Entwistle is perhaps the greatest "rock" bassist but I'm not so sure he's better than Jaco. But Jaco's not a "rock" bassist.

Paco DeLucia was a wonderful fusion/flamenco guitarist, but I doubt we'd say he was a better "rock" guitarist than Jimi. I don't think you're comparing apples to apples.

:2cents:
Apropos of absolutely nothing, his recording with John McLaughlin and Al DiMeola, Friday Night in San Francisco, is probably my favorite in my whole collection. :thumbup:

Even though critics panned it. And it has no drums. :oldunsure:
It's one to the greatest guitar albums period. A must for every collection.

RIP, Paco.

 
Anyone who says that Peart is the greatest rock drummer won't get an argument from me. He's certainly in my top 3 which would be:

1) Bonham

2) Peart

3) Moon

I know the thread initially started was about the greatest but others have started a top 5. One I haven't seen mentioned for a top 5 list that I'm surprised hasn't been mentioned is Chad Smith. Never saw him with RHCP but saw him on two other occasions. Once with Glenn Hughes and another with Chickenfoot. I was blown away. The guy is an absolute beast that reminds me of Bonham because of his power.

 
Watched this video a few minutes ago, made me think of this thread. Curious to see what happens to this kid when he becomes an adult.
The drummer for my first band in high school was a prodigy and could play pretty much every Rush song note for note at age 14. Unfortunately we only played two gigs together before moving on to other projects. 

He went on to become this guy:

https://youtu.be/zLdFNLH-xQM

Drum skills:

https://youtu.be/0-835YrAArA

Credits:

http://m.imdb.com/name/nm0003911/filmotype/composer?ref_=m_nmfm_1

Sorta wish I would have kept playing with him. He composed the new friggin Marvel theme for Pete's sake!

https://youtu.be/2ftt4UlMAcs

 
With Peart retired now, who is the best active rock drummer?  

I'll throw Gavin Harrison out there. 
That is my pick for sure. Also Marco Minneman who played on Hand Cannot Erase (tracks 2-9) and The Raven That Refused To Sing is absolutely a beast.

 
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Has tim told his brother he is wrong yet? Or does he still talk to him? I mean, unless tim's bro hangs out here. Then it's the only way he can talk to tim.

 
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Has tim told his brother he is wrong yet? Or does he still talk to him? I mean, unless tim's bro hangs out here. Then it's the only way he can talk to tim.
Might want to read the thread before making an a$$ of yourself.

 

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