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My first mock of the year! McFadden falls to Shanny (1 Viewer)
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westbrook36
Footballguy
Quintin Groves is way too high, and so is Flacco. Shanahan does not believe in taking RBs in the first round. The rest of it seems pretty good, although I would be pissed if the Eagles took Otah.
Gopher State
Footballguy
This also is the best draft I seen to date.
The Vikings and Lions picks are right on the money
The Vikings and Lions picks are right on the money
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
If the Packers draft Flowers it will knock me off my feet. 
Not that I don't like Flowers b/c I do. The problem is, he is not big enough to play for the Packers, since he is below their strict size standards.
Not that I don't like Flowers b/c I do. The problem is, he is not big enough to play for the Packers, since he is below their strict size standards.
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
That is a very big concern. I feel that the Jags could take him in the late 1st and hope that a veteran defense can get his "potential" on track.
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
Groves is going ahead of Gholston in a few mocks I've seen.Flacco is too high, but this is what I think teams will do, not what they should do.
Shanahan may be changing his tune if faced with McFadden on the clock. They have to be considering it, because DMac may be there.
Why don't you like Otah?
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
who do you like with that Packers pick?If the Packers draft Flowers it will knock me off my feet.Not that I don't like Flowers b/c I do. The problem is, he is not big enough to play for the Packers, since he is below their strict size standards.
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
Flacco isn't in my top 4, but I do think the Bears are in love with this kid and will take a chance on him too early. If their pick followed my rankings it would be Brohm.Just call it a feeling. someone is going to reach for this kid.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
If McFadden falls to the #12 spot, I will never post here again.
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
You should always list the position of the player...That being said, I think this is as good as any mock I have seen!http://nfldraftguys.com/features/lammey_mock_draft.php
Here it is!
Doing a mock draft is like fishing. You get some, you miss some, it's a pain in the ###, but the point is to have fun!
I had this conversation with my best friend the other day when we were talking about how far Darren McFadden could slide. I said there is NO WAY that Shanny wouldn't take him, so I thought I would examine that with a mock.
The Jets could be the one to take him, but we shall see.
Have at it guys, but take it easy on me - I'm tired!
FUBAR
Footballguy
bluesclues
Footballguy
If Felix Jones lands at Texans he will be my pick @ 1.2 of the rookie draft.
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
Yeah, I thought of that after I finishedYou should always list the position of the player...That being said, I think this is as good as any mock I have seen!http://nfldraftguys.com/features/lammey_mock_draft.php
Here it is!
Doing a mock draft is like fishing. You get some, you miss some, it's a pain in the ###, but the point is to have fun!
I had this conversation with my best friend the other day when we were talking about how far Darren McFadden could slide. I said there is NO WAY that Shanny wouldn't take him, so I thought I would examine that with a mock.
The Jets could be the one to take him, but we shall see.
Have at it guys, but take it easy on me - I'm tired!
Thanks for enjoying it!
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
He's out of Mike Mayock's top 10 on his mock. My question is, what if he falls past 12?
munchkin
Footballguy
I saw another reputable draft that had Groves going to the Pats. I think the team would love to move out of the seventh spot but there may not an opportunity to do so.
redman
Footballguy
That's like saying, "Ha ha! You knocked out my molar but I still got my grillz!"They can afford it since they have the 7th pick
mdog1967
Footballguy
Great Mock, but I disagree with your assesment of Flacco, I think he will be the second best QB in this Draft. The Bears should take him, he would instantly be the best QB on the roster. But 1st round is too early for a QB that will need one to two years of work before he's ready.
westbrook36
Footballguy
Groves ahead of Gholston? LOL Groves might not even be drafted in the first round after the disappointing year he had.If the Bears want Flacco they could just trade down about 10-15 spots, and then draft him.
Shanahan does not believe in drafting a RB in round 1. He always feels he can find a good one in a later round, and this draft is loaded with good RBs. I could see them taking Chris Johnson in the 2nd, who I think will be the best RB of this class anyways.
I saw Otah at the combine, and he looked like an uncoordinated goof with terrible footwork. He just did not seem the least bit athletic, and I don't even see him as a first round talent anymore. I would much rather have Chris Williams, even though he only did 22 reps at the bench press. He moves well, has good enough size, and a full year in the Eagles off season program will work on his strength.
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Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
Thanks for the input Westbrook36!
At what point do you think Shanahan would take a RB in the first? I know that Shanny has history, and tendencies, but I don't think we can completely right off RB from the 1st round.
I think the temptation to take McFadden would be too much for him. Tatum Bell, Rueben Droughns, Mike Anderson, Olandis Gary are one thing. Getting a back that is special, like a TD or CP is something entirely different. Think of the matchup problems DMac would pose for the defense. Cutler's throwing lanes would be more open, and the play action would come with a bite!
At what point do you think Shanahan would take a RB in the first? I know that Shanny has history, and tendencies, but I don't think we can completely right off RB from the 1st round.
I think the temptation to take McFadden would be too much for him. Tatum Bell, Rueben Droughns, Mike Anderson, Olandis Gary are one thing. Getting a back that is special, like a TD or CP is something entirely different. Think of the matchup problems DMac would pose for the defense. Cutler's throwing lanes would be more open, and the play action would come with a bite!
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Caught my loophole, did ya?
I just think that GMs will be very afraid to let "another Adrian Peterson" slip too far.
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
Caught my loophole, did ya?I just think that GMs will be very afraid to let "another Adrian Peterson" slip too far.
I had a feeling it was related to that!
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
In your draft I think the BPA at that point is Dan Connor. He would immediately step in for Poppinga at the SLB and the Packers would have one of, if not the best linebacking corp in the NFL. To get a guy that can immediately start on your team from day one and be a solid LB in the league for the next 8 years with the 30th pick in the draft is value. He's as close to a sure thing as any player in this draft imwho do you like with that Packers pick?If the Packers draft Flowers it will knock me off my feet.Not that I don't like Flowers b/c I do. The problem is, he is not big enough to play for the Packers, since he is below their strict size standards.
thers would be Cason or Reggie Smith. I don't think the Packers would want Talib because he has not shown a willingness to tackle and the Packers expect their corners to do everything, not just cover receivers. Cason is a good corner and is willing to help out in run support from what I've read. Smith could be special at Safety or corner and he's a very physical player. Both of these DB's are good size which Green Bay wants.I really like D Thomas to the Titans (for my team's sake - not fantsasy). Do you see Desean dropping? I'm concerned about his size, but the guy is a flat out playmaker. He's a much better route runner and not nearly as raw as a guy like Ginn, and he's an even better return man. I think his speed and quick is enough to get seperation from DBs, and he hasn't had many injury problems throughout college either. He's also been productive in both HS and college. If he's there at 24 and Thomas isn't (or even if he is), I'd like to see the Titans take him
Getinthemix
Footballguy
If the Texans pas on DRC for Felix Jones, I will be pissed. With Dunta out for most of the year, getting another corner is vital. Jacques Reeves is NOT the answer to anything other that "Toast?"
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Hey Cecil,
I like this mock. For me it is the standard bearer for all mock drafts far and wide.
Of course as more tidbits leak in the next 6 weeks it will probably need an overhaul. It feels like an improvement of the concepts that were weighing on me in my concept mock. It even resembles the revision quite a bit -- but improved.
Groves disappointing season (on dislocated toes) may cause him to go later, but we're on the same page with him. He is a talent to reckon with and if my team had to choose between him and Gholston, it would not be a no brainer for Gholston. It would be a very close call. Out of the top ten he becomes a great value. "Shot out of a cannon" is how I described him early in the season before the injured toes.
Flip flop Ellis and Dorsey and we have the first five picks the same. Since I cautiously prefer Ellis anyway and you have him going first .
We have the cornerbacks different, but I'm indifferent to that.
You fix my Rivers oversight. Nice spot for him.
Kelly to Buffalo instead of Hardy. It's more likely. Hardy was part of my experiment. On a side note, I spent some time last night watching the three tall WRs -- Hardy, Sweed, Kelly; they're now the top of my WR board, but I'm not convinced of an order (though currently it is the way I listed them). I like Sweed more the more I watch. These guys are very similar.
Getting a 4th RB in was smart. I could see five RBs in the first round, but I'm waiting for Gosselin to show his hand.
DeSean to the 9ers is solid. I think several teams are making a mistake letting him fall that far, but I agree, this is the type of player Martz would love to have. I remember Vermeil explaining why Calvin wasn't perfect for Martz -- he seeks ultra quicks, generally smaller wrs.
I like Flowers more than most, but his Combine made me ignore him in the first. Nice to see him there and in a nice spot for his game.
Finally -- The RB excitement. When I decided to be more realistic and put Ryan in the top 5, but drop McFadden, I thought long and hard about him to Denver. I already had Stewart there. Here's my thinking. IF McFadden is falling then the Bush perception is stronger than the Peterson perception. Shanahan clearly stated he thought Maroney was the best back in that draft, therefore better than Bush. It is very possible that he falls in with the Waldmans, Blooms and EBFs preferring Stewart. A short McFadden slide creates a real possibility of a Ricky Edge scenario where the more hyped back becomes RB2 on draft day. I think Waldman, Bloom, EBF and others agreeing Stewart is better are wrong. I also thought the Colts should have taken Ricky.
Very solid mock.
I like this mock. For me it is the standard bearer for all mock drafts far and wide.
Of course as more tidbits leak in the next 6 weeks it will probably need an overhaul. It feels like an improvement of the concepts that were weighing on me in my concept mock. It even resembles the revision quite a bit -- but improved.
Groves disappointing season (on dislocated toes) may cause him to go later, but we're on the same page with him. He is a talent to reckon with and if my team had to choose between him and Gholston, it would not be a no brainer for Gholston. It would be a very close call. Out of the top ten he becomes a great value. "Shot out of a cannon" is how I described him early in the season before the injured toes.
Flip flop Ellis and Dorsey and we have the first five picks the same. Since I cautiously prefer Ellis anyway and you have him going first
.We have the cornerbacks different, but I'm indifferent to that.
You fix my Rivers oversight. Nice spot for him.
Kelly to Buffalo instead of Hardy. It's more likely. Hardy was part of my experiment. On a side note, I spent some time last night watching the three tall WRs -- Hardy, Sweed, Kelly; they're now the top of my WR board, but I'm not convinced of an order (though currently it is the way I listed them). I like Sweed more the more I watch. These guys are very similar.
Getting a 4th RB in was smart. I could see five RBs in the first round, but I'm waiting for Gosselin to show his hand.
DeSean to the 9ers is solid. I think several teams are making a mistake letting him fall that far, but I agree, this is the type of player Martz would love to have. I remember Vermeil explaining why Calvin wasn't perfect for Martz -- he seeks ultra quicks, generally smaller wrs.
I like Flowers more than most, but his Combine made me ignore him in the first. Nice to see him there and in a nice spot for his game.
Finally -- The RB excitement. When I decided to be more realistic and put Ryan in the top 5, but drop McFadden, I thought long and hard about him to Denver. I already had Stewart there. Here's my thinking. IF McFadden is falling then the Bush perception is stronger than the Peterson perception. Shanahan clearly stated he thought Maroney was the best back in that draft, therefore better than Bush. It is very possible that he falls in with the Waldmans, Blooms and EBFs preferring Stewart. A short McFadden slide creates a real possibility of a Ricky Edge scenario where the more hyped back becomes RB2 on draft day. I think Waldman, Bloom, EBF and others agreeing Stewart is better are wrong. I also thought the Colts should have taken Ricky.
Very solid mock.
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
Thank you brother!Hey Cecil,
I like this mock. For me it is the standard bearer for all mock drafts far and wide.
I'm looking forward to talking with Gosselin again in a few weeks.Of course as more tidbits leak in the next 6 weeks it will probably need an overhaul. It feels like an improvement of the concepts that were weighing on me in my concept mock. It even resembles the revision quite a bit -- but improved.
Groves disappointing season (on dislocated toes) may cause him to go later, but we're on the same page with him. He is a talent to reckon with and if my team had to choose between him and Gholston, it would not be a no brainer for Gholston. It would be a very close call. Out of the top ten he becomes a great value. "Shot out of a cannon" is how I described him early in the season before the injured toes.
Flip flop Ellis and Dorsey and we have the first five picks the same. Since I cautiously prefer Ellis anyway and you have him going first.
We have the cornerbacks different, but I'm indifferent to that.
You fix my Rivers oversight. Nice spot for him.
Kelly to Buffalo instead of Hardy. It's more likely. Hardy was part of my experiment. On a side note, I spent some time last night watching the three tall WRs -- Hardy, Sweed, Kelly; they're now the top of my WR board, but I'm not convinced of an order (though currently it is the way I listed them). I like Sweed more the more I watch. These guys are very similar.
Getting a 4th RB in was smart. I could see five RBs in the first round, but I'm waiting for Gosselin to show his hand.
I was also in the RW to the Colts camp. Great points!DeSean to the 9ers is solid. I think several teams are making a mistake letting him fall that far, but I agree, this is the type of player Martz would love to have. I remember Vermeil explaining why Calvin wasn't perfect for Martz -- he seeks ultra quicks, generally smaller wrs.
I like Flowers more than most, but his Combine made me ignore him in the first. Nice to see him there and in a nice spot for his game.
Finally -- The RB excitement. When I decided to be more realistic and put Ryan in the top 5, but drop McFadden, I thought long and hard about him to Denver. I already had Stewart there. Here's my thinking. IF McFadden is falling then the Bush perception is stronger than the Peterson perception. Shanahan clearly stated he thought Maroney was the best back in that draft, therefore better than Bush. It is very possible that he falls in with the Waldmans, Blooms and EBFs preferring Stewart. A short McFadden slide creates a real possibility of a Ricky Edge scenario where the more hyped back becomes RB2 on draft day. I think Waldman, Bloom, EBF and others agreeing Stewart is better are wrong. I also thought the Colts should have taken Ricky.
Very solid mock.
So you thinkDeSean is better than Ginn? Ok guy.
Wildman
Footballguy
I wanted the Colts to take Ricky, but Bill Polian might be one of the best GMs ever and do you believe that Ricky and his laundry list of issues would have somehow been avoided as a Colt? I find it difficult to believe that would be the case. I'm probably as big of a Ricky Williams fan as anyone--unbelievably good football player, but it's highly unrealistic to believe Williams would have been different as a Colt.
Chaos, you sure you don't want to join EBF, Construx and me to watch some film on McFadden vs. Missouri? It would be fun to have you support your point of view about McFadden in this manner.
Chaos, you sure you don't want to join EBF, Construx and me to watch some film on McFadden vs. Missouri? It would be fun to have you support your point of view about McFadden in this manner.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I think good arguments could be made. DJ IS a better route runner. Ginn showed better hands than many thought last year, so that's a wash.
EBF
Footballguy
This trainwreck would be so perfect that it almost has to happen. Oakland is a rudderless ship right now. If there's a wrong move to be made, they'll probably make it. I don't "hate" McFadden as much as some other posters would have you believe, but I do think he's overrated and I do think there's a very good chance that Oakland will pick him. Toss him into that mix with Jamarcus Bustell and Javon "Microfracture" Walker and you suddenly have a very volatile trio with a high upside and a HUGE downside. It will be interesting to see what happens on draft day. If teams view McFadden as more of a "slash" type player than a true franchise back like I do, then he could slip into the 10-15 range. At the same time, he does offer a lot of big play potential and that has value to teams looking to add an explosive element. I figure Oakland or NYJ will bite the bullet. But we might see him slip to someone like Cincinnati or Chicago.mbuehner said:
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Well, while I appreciate the interest and look forward to your report, I cannot commit. I explained half of the schedule problems about to hit me to Construx when I declined. It is a heavy load. And as our good friend Mike can attest, I simply cannot be trusted with an assignment of this magnitude. I can tell you quite a bit about the Cotton Bowl from memory though. I have watched it twice. It's a solid choice for watching McFadden's pros and cons. He sits the 4th quarter of a blowout after getting over 20 carries and 100 yards against a defense focused on him. Several impressive 5-7 yard runs, nothing spectacular. It's the Tony Temple show! He'll probably grade higher than McFadden.Wildman said:
Wildman
Footballguy
I've already graded this game, but those two fellas wanted to watch this one. Actually, Temple graded lower on my scale, but neither graded well. Arkansas played pass most of that game with 3 down linemen and 2 LBs facing those incredibly huge splits. It looked like Temple was running in the open field on half his runs from the LOS. It's a great game to demonstrate why stats don't equate pro potential.
McFadden, well...I'll wait until it's all together.
Mike? LOL...that's between you and him. I'd prefer to keep it that way.
McFadden, well...I'll wait until it's all together.
Mike? LOL...that's between you and him. I'd prefer to keep it that way.
toppshelff
Footballguy
Jets sign Jesse Chatman... along with TJones and LWashington, Rotoworld predicts that this decreases the likelihood of the Jets taking DMac. Could he fall to Denver?
EBF
Footballguy
I don't know if Denver would even want him. They seem to like squattier backs with more power. Stewart and Rice are the backs who most closely fit their mold, IMO.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
No. That's the point I was making to Cecil. I was wrong preferring Ricky to Edge and I'm open to the idea I am wrong preferring McFadden this year. Over the past 20 years I have learned to expect to be wrong.Wildman said:
But I do honestly try to get this stuff right with no favoritism, an open mind, and a willingness to change my opinions. You guys have done a good job bringing me out of the McFadden stupor. I have Stewart above him in my mock. I have pulled an offer to EBF regarding these players because I am no longer so sure of myself. My great weakness is for the homerun hitters. I defended Hester around here when almost no one would listen. Man, the Bears got ripped for that terrible pick. Was I right? Yeah. Lucky? Maybe. I like gamebreakers. I liked Napoleon Kaufman and Robert Smith. They put me on the edge of my seat. I loved Reggie Bush (as did you). Naturally, I am a fan of McFadden, but I can see his flaws. Just like I could see Hester's.
Toxic Gatorade
Footballguy
The only way this happens is if the Texans trade out of the #18 slot. They should get a 1st round pick along with a 2nd rounder in return..............we don't have a 2nd round pick as of now due to giving it to ATL as part of the Matt Schaub trade.
eric rymer
Footballguy
pretty good Mock IMO. Most of the picks make alot of sense. Like a previous poster mentioned. I would like to see how things unfold if McFadden is available at 9. If Ellis and Dorsey are both gone. I would be amazed if they pass on McFadden. They've been taking RB's here and there hoping to find an eventual replacement for Rudi. I just think this temptation would be too much to pass up. Not to mention how every phone in the building would be blowing up from JJ in Dallas.
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Wildman
Footballguy
I hate to be down on McFadden. It's really troubled me more than any analysis I have done, because I fear I'm being too hard on the guy's game. I know it sounds silly to be troubled by it, but people are paying for my work and I take pride in being close to mark on major players. McFadden is one of those guys that I could make or break what I'm doing here. The problem is I recognize how great of a home runner hitter he can be and he has the opportunity to be a good back with work but what I don't like about him places him at a ridiculously low spot on my RB rankings and I feel as if I can't find a hole in my logic to bump him up. I'm at a point where I have to stick with my assertions. Plus, I'm an SEC guy and usually have to take that homerism into account with college guys. Home run hitters are great. I understand the appeal!Bush is a player I really thought would be amazing. He really was a much better between the tackles runner in college than he has proven in the pros. I honestly think he has pressed too hard to be the big play guy. I'm still holding out hope for him.No. That's the point I was making to Cecil. I was wrong preferring Ricky to Edge and I'm open to the idea I am wrong preferring McFadden this year. Over the past 20 years I have learned to expect to be wrong.Wildman said:
CanadianNFLJunkie
Footballguy
Denver has too many holes to plug so I can't see them going after any RB with their top pick...besides Denver has a history of evaluating RB depth very well which is why they'll take a flyer on some other RB in the 4th/5th round. McFadden isn't anything like ADP so please stop comparing the two as equals. They are both fast and that's about it. I can see teams trading up anyway for the ones that do love McFadden, a team like Dallas with the JJ-Arkansas connection and even a team like the Chargers who do need a back-up RB that they don't have to rush into playing time.I think the top 8 or so prospects can be flip-flopped almost anyway then there is a slew of another 12 or so prospects, mostly OL and DEs/OLBers that will go in the middle of the 1st round.I can't see Bears going for a QB early with all their OL issues, besides Flacco should be available in the 2nd.
Raider Nation
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