My home town pissed off Anonymous (1 Viewer)

[Hastur]

I grew up in Vineland, NJ, but moved out of state about 7 years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMKqTPQdCAQ&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop

 

[mr roboto]

Creepy.

 

[TenTimes]

 

[eoMMan]

Whoa. This could be the biggest thing to hit our area since the emergence of Mike Trout.

 

[Bogeys]

Cliff notes? Can't use youtube at work.

 

[Mr. Ected]

Kinda crazy, but I'm ok with it up to the part where they are going to release personal information about the "county prosecutor to the last member hired of the Vineland Police Department" and the attacks on websites.

I understand the point of their methods, but releasing info about Ofc. Johnson and attacking the website could hurt innocent people, those they are trying to protect.

 

[shuke]

15 user(s) are reading this topic

10 members, 4 guests, 1 anonymous users

 

[eoMMan]

Cliff notes? Can't use youtube at work.

Police allegedly used excessive force on a guy they were arresting and released their k9 on him who bit his face, head, and arm. Anonymous wants all of their names released and put on temp administrative duty. Something like that.

 

[TenTimes]

Cliff notes? Can't use youtube at work.

Anonymous is going to release the personal info of the officers involved if the PD doesn't, as well as the dash cam footage and put them on unpaid leave (maybe some other stuff) within 24 hours.

And we should have expected this.

 

[Gawain]

Dash Cam should be released under FOIL, but I can't understand why people get riled up when bad things (very rarely) happen to individuals who resist the police. Once you start fighting cops, my sympathy is tough to get.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Dash Cam should be released under FOIL, but I can't understand why people get riled up when bad things (very rarely) happen to individuals who resist the police. Once you start fighting cops, my sympathy is tough to get.

And this is why the cops can routinely get away with excessive force.

 

[Steve Tasker]

Good for Anonymous

Excited to see where this goes.

 

[GregR]

Cliff notes? Can't use youtube at work.

Published on Apr 6, 2015
Greetings World.We are Anonymous.

On March 31st 2015 Vineland City New Jersey police arrested

Phillip White, and while handcuffed was brutally beaten by members of the Vineland City

Police Department. Two seperate videos taken at the scene by witnesses showed no reason

for Phillip to have been beaten in such a manner. Officers kicked,punched, and stomped

on Phillip White until he was unconscious. The videos also show a K9 officer release

a dog, and allowed the dog to bite Phillip in his face, head, and body. This is absolute

grotesque behavior displayed by the police department. We know the identities of the

2 officers who initially encountered Phillip and we also have the identity of the

K9 officer that let his dog attack a non combatant citizen. Our demands are simple..

1. Release the names of the 2 officers that arrested Phillip & put them on unpaid

administrative leave.

2. Release the name of the K9 officer that released his K9 on Phillip and relieve him from duty

pending charges.

3. Release all dash-cam footage pertaining to this investigation.

Vineland Police Department and the Cumberland County prosecutors office have 24 hours to

comply to our demands, or we will release the officers names involved, including all

personal information for each officer. For every hour these names are not released,

we will release a name and all personal information, beginning with the Cumberland

County Prosecutor, to the last member hired by the Vineland Police Department. We

will also begin cyber attacks on your websites & your databases until our demands

are met.

Vineland City New Jersey police Department and the Cumberland County Prosecutors

Office, the clock is ticking.

 

[GregR]

So couldn't they just issue the information in a press release instead of be terrorists over it?

 

[jonessed]

So couldn't they just issue the information in a press release instead of be terrorists over it?

It's all about the spectacle.

Hopefully they at least get the names right this time.

 

[GregR]

So couldn't they just issue the information in a press release instead of be terrorists over it?

It's all about the spectacle.

Hopefully they at least get the names right this time.

Ah, did they mess up something like this before?

 

[Mr. Ected]

So couldn't they just issue the information in a press release instead of be terrorists over it?

It's all about the spectacle.

You mean the dramatic music and the 'dude' doing the 'broadcast' in a computer voice? Spectacle? NEVER!

 

[jonessed]

So couldn't they just issue the information in a press release instead of be terrorists over it?

It's all about the spectacle.Hopefully they at least get the names right this time.

Ah, did they mess up something like this before?

Before the Ferguson police released Wilson's name anonymous fingered some poor guy that wasn't even an officer.

 

[Krankie]

So couldn't they just issue the information in a press release instead of be terrorists over it?

It's all about the spectacle.

Hopefully they at least get the names right this time.

I was thinking this exact thing :(

 

[Clifford]

Dash Cam should be released under FOIL, but I can't understand why people get riled up when bad things (very rarely) happen to individuals who resist the police. Once you start fighting cops, my sympathy is tough to get.

And this is why the cops can routinely get away with excessive force.

To spell it out a bit more, a lot of people (including me) believe cops should be subject to laws governing their behavior EVEN in the conduct of the duties of their job. I know it's a far-out concept, but some might even argue something essential to actually being able to call oneself a free citizen living in a country of laws.

 

[Rove!]

Dash Cam should be released under FOIL, but I can't understand why people get riled up when bad things (very rarely) happen to individuals who resist the police. Once you start fighting cops, my sympathy is tough to get.

And this is why the cops can routinely get away with excessive force.

This is why Gawain said that the Dash cam should be freely available. Dash cam can validate who initiated the violence and if unnecessary force was used. Having video readily available would prevent cops form getting away with excessive force. They usually can get away with it when there is no video and/or they destroy the evidence when they find that they are being filmed...

 

[Gawain]

Dash Cam should be released under FOIL, but I can't understand why people get riled up when bad things (very rarely) happen to individuals who resist the police. Once you start fighting cops, my sympathy is tough to get.

And this is why the cops can routinely get away with excessive force.

To spell it out a bit more, a lot of people (including me) believe cops should be subject to laws governing their behavior EVEN in the conduct of the duties of their job. I know it's a far-out concept, but some might even argue something essential to actually being able to call oneself a free citizen living in a country of laws.

I don't think that the police are given a license to kill once someone resists. If excessive force was used in this case, the officers should be punished up to incarceration.

However, it's stories like the guy that got shot while complying with a demand for his identification that will get people clamoring for changes, not the story of a guy who was fighting with cops and came off on the losing end.

ETA: My initial post reads harsher than I meant it. I should have stated that my limited sympathy and worry are towards the cases where an individual complies with the cops and still gets beaten, shot and/or killed. Police video should be released automatically when it doesn't interfere with ongoing investigation.

 

[Clifford]

Dash Cam should be released under FOIL, but I can't understand why people get riled up when bad things (very rarely) happen to individuals who resist the police. Once you start fighting cops, my sympathy is tough to get.

And this is why the cops can routinely get away with excessive force.

This is why Gawain said that the Dash cam should be freely available. Dash cam can validate who initiated the violence and if unnecessary force was used. Having video readily available would prevent cops form getting away with excessive force. They usually can get away with it when there is no video and/or they destroy the evidence when they find that they are being filmed...

Eric Garner

 

[Clifford]

Dash Cam should be released under FOIL, but I can't understand why people get riled up when bad things (very rarely) happen to individuals who resist the police. Once you start fighting cops, my sympathy is tough to get.

And this is why the cops can routinely get away with excessive force.

To spell it out a bit more, a lot of people (including me) believe cops should be subject to laws governing their behavior EVEN in the conduct of the duties of their job. I know it's a far-out concept, but some might even argue something essential to actually being able to call oneself a free citizen living in a country of laws.

I don't think that the police are given a license to kill once someone resists. If excessive force was used in this case, the officers should be punished up to incarceration.

However, it's stories like the guy that got shot while complying with a demand for his identification that will get people clamoring for changes, not the story of a guy who was fighting with cops and came off on the losing end.

ETA: My initial post reads harsher than I meant it. I should have stated that my limited sympathy and worry are towards the cases where an individual complies with the cops and still gets beaten, shot and/or killed. Police video should be released automatically when it doesn't interfere with ongoing investigation.

I'm just saying I don't care. In cases where the subject is resisting, cops should use approved maneuvers. Once a subject is in cuffs or otherwise restrained, including feet if necessary, any further attempts to do anything to the suspect other than move them from spot a to spot b should be an immediate firing and charge of battery.

If a cop can't control their rage to the point that they simply have to beat a defenseless individual, regardless of the individual's crime, they are not fit to be an officer of the law. Probably not fit to be out in society either.

I support increasing taxes to provide better equipment, training, counseling, and salaries to support improving our forces to where they can conduct their jobs without any excessive use of force.

 

[Rove!]

Dash Cam should be released under FOIL, but I can't understand why people get riled up when bad things (very rarely) happen to individuals who resist the police. Once you start fighting cops, my sympathy is tough to get.

And this is why the cops can routinely get away with excessive force.

This is why Gawain said that the Dash cam should be freely available. Dash cam can validate who initiated the violence and if unnecessary force was used. Having video readily available would prevent cops form getting away with excessive force. They usually can get away with it when there is no video and/or they destroy the evidence when they find that they are being filmed...

Eric Garner

That decision was crazy, but this isn't a situation where they beat the guy senseless...although the cops were clearly in the wrong and should have been prosecuted, there is an aspect of what happened that was accidental....

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Dash Cam should be released under FOIL, but I can't understand why people get riled up when bad things (very rarely) happen to individuals who resist the police. Once you start fighting cops, my sympathy is tough to get.

I love it when they release the dogs......F-ing get him FIDO!!... Ooh Rah!

 

[Clifford]

I don't think choking someone to death can ever be considered accidental. The cop employed an illegal maneuver, the justification given for force was resisting arrest (victims hands were clearly held up and no movements were made toward any of the officers), the entire thing was filmed, the victim died, and the grand jury declined to indict the cop who continued to choke him despite multiple cries that he could not breathe.

The officer declined to believe Eric Garner and continued to choke him, while he was on the ground, and the man died. The coroner ruled it a homicide.

That is our current system. The problem lies with the police who show little to no interest in protecting citizens safety during an arrest, some of whom frankly show disturbing sadistic and sociopathic tendencies, and system that protects them because they have a "stressful job."

So my position is that there is a massive correction that needs to start now with every single police precinct in America. We need to retrain all police, construct and communicate a new system of correction and redress when brutality occurs (one with a special prosecutor appointed rather than a DA), a new set of automatic penalties for specific actions (like the ones described here and many other areas) that include immediate dismissal and criminal charges, and better non-lethal equipment and training for conflict resolution.

Over 100 people were killed by police last month. That's more than 3 per day.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform-free-speech-racial-justice/over-100-people-were-killed-police-march-have-po

To continue to pretend that the problem rests with individuals who do not behave well enough in encounters with the police and not with an increasingly violent, militarized police culture that views itself as at war with its citizens will only perpetuate the problem. It seeks to deny that a problem actually exists. This will only get more people killed and result in more civil strife between affected communities and police.

The solution has to include massive reform of our police cultures and facilitate re-engagement between precincts and their communities.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Do the Vineland police have dashcams? Not all departments actually have them. They should, but don't always.

 

[eoMMan]

Do the Vineland police have dashcams? Not all departments actually have them. They should, but don't always.

No, they do not have them.

 

[eoMMan]

Turns out the guy died while in custody...

http://www.thedailyjournal.com/story/news/local/2015/04/01/prosecutor-asks-information-video-mans-death/70781838/

 

[Ditka Butkus]

I don't think choking someone to death can ever be considered accidental. The cop employed an illegal maneuver, the justification given for force was resisting arrest (victims hands were clearly held up and no movements were made toward any of the officers), the entire thing was filmed, the victim died, and the grand jury declined to indict the cop who continued to choke him despite multiple cries that he could not breathe.

The officer declined to believe Eric Garner and continued to choke him, while he was on the ground, and the man died. The coroner ruled it a homicide.

That is our current system. The problem lies with the police who show little to no interest in protecting citizens safety during an arrest, some of whom frankly show disturbing sadistic and sociopathic tendencies, and system that protects them because they have a "stressful job."

So my position is that there is a massive correction that needs to start now with every single police precinct in America. We need to retrain all police, construct and communicate a new system of correction and redress when brutality occurs (one with a special prosecutor appointed rather than a DA), a new set of automatic penalties for specific actions (like the ones described here and many other areas) that include immediate dismissal and criminal charges, and better non-lethal equipment and training for conflict resolution.

Over 100 people were killed by police last month. That's more than 3 per day.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform-free-speech-racial-justice/over-100-people-were-killed-police-march-have-po

To continue to pretend that the problem rests with individuals who do not behave well enough in encounters with the police and not with an increasingly violent, militarized police culture that views itself as at war with its citizens will only perpetuate the problem. It seeks to deny that a problem actually exists. This will only get more people killed and result in more civil strife between affected communities and police.

The solution has to include massive reform of our police cultures and facilitate re-engagement between precincts and their communities.

Has anybody ever mentioned to you that you can't speak if you are choking?

 

[Clifford]

Yep, and that did not seem to save Garner's life, did it? Maybe that little bit of conventional wisdom needs to stop being taught to police as it encourages police to deny someone's request for air (or pleas for mercy if you are the dramatic type).

The guy in this thread also died later of respiratory failure.

 

[Despyzer]

Before the Ferguson police released Wilson's name anonymous fingered some poor guy that wasn't even an officer.

Phrasing...

 

[Gawain]

Before the Ferguson police released Wilson's name anonymous fingered some poor guy that wasn't even an officer.

Phrasing...

According to Eminence, anonymous fingering's the best.

 

[whiskey7]

I don't think choking someone to death can ever be considered accidental. The cop employed an illegal maneuver, the justification given for force was resisting arrest (victims hands were clearly held up and no movements were made toward any of the officers), the entire thing was filmed, the victim died, and the grand jury declined to indict the cop who continued to choke him despite multiple cries that he could not breathe.

The officer declined to believe Eric Garner and continued to choke him, while he was on the ground, and the man died. The coroner ruled it a homicide.

That is our current system. The problem lies with the police who show little to no interest in protecting citizens safety during an arrest, some of whom frankly show disturbing sadistic and sociopathic tendencies, and system that protects them because they have a "stressful job."

So my position is that there is a massive correction that needs to start now with every single police precinct in America. We need to retrain all police, construct and communicate a new system of correction and redress when brutality occurs (one with a special prosecutor appointed rather than a DA), a new set of automatic penalties for specific actions (like the ones described here and many other areas) that include immediate dismissal and criminal charges, and better non-lethal equipment and training for conflict resolution.

Over 100 people were killed by police last month. That's more than 3 per day.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform-free-speech-racial-justice/over-100-people-were-killed-police-march-have-po

To continue to pretend that the problem rests with individuals who do not behave well enough in encounters with the police and not with an increasingly violent, militarized police culture that views itself as at war with its citizens will only perpetuate the problem. It seeks to deny that a problem actually exists. This will only get more people killed and result in more civil strife between affected communities and police.

The solution has to include massive reform of our police cultures and facilitate re-engagement between precincts and their communities.

So many things wrong with this post I don't have nearly enough time (nor, quite frankly, the inclination) to address them all. I am going to skip inviting you to re-watch the Garner video because it's clear you're only seeing what you want to see there. SMH...For now, I'll ask if you feel there is any obligation on the part of civilians to show a little respect for authority and cooperate with police as part of a unified effort toward the good of the community? You seem to be putting all the blame on cops for anything that goes wrong in cop - civilian interaction. You do realize they deal with the worst of the worst all day everyday, right? You realize people push them constantly, don't you? You can't realistically expect cops to enforce the laws and take the criminals off the streets with nothing more than a "Pretty please will you stop doing that and come with us?". People breaking the law and/or resisting arrest are almost always the reason an interaction gets more physical than necessary. You referenced the militarized police force. Do you suppose they are getting all that gear because they have too much money in the budget and they're just bored with plain ol beat downs and shooting people with standard issue pistol or because the bad guys they have to go against have upgraded their weaponry/tactics and are increasingly willing to bang it out with cops? Are cops today quicker to get aggressive just cause they get off on it or could it be response to declining respect/cooperation and increased animosity shown to them by increasing numbers of people throughout the country?

For sure there are some bad cops out there but some of you people need to wake up and smell the filth that is out there and put the appropriate amount of blame on those scumbags who absolutely refuse to obey the laws. All the armchair cops on their soapboxes ripping real cops make me sick.

 

[msommer]

Ok Officer Whisky7, perhaps you should go back to your patrol car and remember to switch on the dashboard cam

 

[flapgreen]

I don't think choking someone to death can ever be considered accidental. The cop employed an illegal maneuver, the justification given for force was resisting arrest (victims hands were clearly held up and no movements were made toward any of the officers), the entire thing was filmed, the victim died, and the grand jury declined to indict the cop who continued to choke him despite multiple cries that he could not breathe.

The officer declined to believe Eric Garner and continued to choke him, while he was on the ground, and the man died. The coroner ruled it a homicide.

That is our current system. The problem lies with the police who show little to no interest in protecting citizens safety during an arrest, some of whom frankly show disturbing sadistic and sociopathic tendencies, and system that protects them because they have a "stressful job."

So my position is that there is a massive correction that needs to start now with every single police precinct in America. We need to retrain all police, construct and communicate a new system of correction and redress when brutality occurs (one with a special prosecutor appointed rather than a DA), a new set of automatic penalties for specific actions (like the ones described here and many other areas) that include immediate dismissal and criminal charges, and better non-lethal equipment and training for conflict resolution.

Over 100 people were killed by police last month. That's more than 3 per day.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform-free-speech-racial-justice/over-100-people-were-killed-police-march-have-po

To continue to pretend that the problem rests with individuals who do not behave well enough in encounters with the police and not with an increasingly violent, militarized police culture that views itself as at war with its citizens will only perpetuate the problem. It seeks to deny that a problem actually exists. This will only get more people killed and result in more civil strife between affected communities and police.

The solution has to include massive reform of our police cultures and facilitate re-engagement between precincts and their communities.

What a one sided way of looking at things...

 

[Clifford]

I'm saying there is a serious problem and it needs reform. Police who brutalize citizens need to go. And there are incidents where people did nothing wrong anywhere you care to look.

Their job can be done without the brutality. If they can't, find another job.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

I'm saying there is a serious problem and it needs reform. Police who brutalize citizens need to go. And there are incidents where people did nothing wrong anywhere you care to look.

Their job can be done without the brutality. If they can't, find another job.

I don't like your face... I mean your avatar face...I don't like it.