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My Pre season thoughts around the league (1 Viewer)

The Moz

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Arizona - Hightower is becoming the RB to own , Haley is missed on offense - Fitz and Quan won't hurt to much but it will be felt. HIghtower is a great value play late. Warner could be a little over valued

Atlanta - Turner is looking every bit as good as any RB in NFL.. Ryan is looking like another Peyton. Falcons are a true rising team. Ryan might actually be a top 6 QB and a great value right now. I like Jenkings as a sneaky late pick.

Baltimore - Rice an McGahee are a deadlock despite the Rice lovin. McGahere is busting his ### off so don't expect a roll over. McGahee is actually a nice value play.

Buffalo - TO toe is hurt'n but he hates TC so it could be a mix. The toe might actually help push his value down to the 4th round where he represents a good buy low. He always gets double digit scores. Evans might actually be the better play. Noone on Buffalo has looked good though. I would stay away totally unless TO is there end of 4th or early 5th..

Carolina - Smith's shoulder was a concern and means he actually could fall to low 2nd early 3rd and be great value. But the real story is Dwill as he looks every bit as good as last season and has a chip on his shoulder. With Stewart still hurt'n Dwill could be an absolute MONSTER this year - only thing that will prevent 08 numbers is a murders row schedule. Even with that expect huge things. He is currently going late first all the way to mid second. at his adp he is a total steal as I can't think of 5 players more valuable.

Chicago - Only Olsen represents value here maybe Bennett late but as a 5th wr. I doi love Olsen though as maybe a top 3 - 5 TE this season and you should be able to snag him at 5-10 TE value.

Cincinnati -- Love 85 for value as he will produce better than his 4-5th round adp. Chris Henry and Cedric Benson. Henry IMO ends up starting and is their #1 red zone option as well as their big play deep threat. There is huge upside here and he can be had really late. Benson is a sneaky PPR rb as he won't wow you but a solid 1200 yd ru and 45 rec 400 yd rec with 8-9 scores might be a expected season here. His name though is making him fall to the 7th round and he is a potential 2nd RB.

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NY Giants Bradshaw looks great IMO might be the better runner and a nice value -- but I think the real value is with Hixon as I beleive that he will be the go to WR and a really nice 10 round and beyond get.

Washington - Portis gets it down every year yet keeps beign over looked becasue he isn't a sexy pick. I love getting Portis late 2nd early 3rd. A possibly sneaky value play is Devin Thomas - he has the tools just needs a chance. Moss will be solid. Campbell playing for his career might serve as a nice uber late back up QB. Cooley's lack of TD's in 08 is making him go later than he should as well.

Dallas - Crayton is a nice end of draft flyer , I think Roy is overated and Witten as the #1 TE might be as well being that he will be covered like a #1 WR. Romo will go becasue of his name but IMO there's a mess of over valuing the Dallas passing game. MBIII is a solid play in PPR but going about where he should.

Detroit - everything is going where it should.

Philadelphia -- Westy with McCoy and Vick might be a little over valued or it might help him stay healthy. Either way I think he is goinmg where he should at his age.. McNabb was a great value but Vick takes a little away there. So the real value here is Djack and he could be a monster with McNabb and him clicking I can see a less strong Steve Smith.

Minnesota - Sydney Rice could be a really great sleeper with everyone going after Harvin folks are sleeping on Rice. Rice has size and leaping ability no other WR on Minny has... I could see Rice turning into the most productive if he can keep Harvin relegated to the slot.

Green Bay - Driver has had a great camp and with Rodgers coming around his adp right now is terrific value. Cats out of the bag on Rodgers though :pickle:

New Orleans - Everyone knows about Pierre but I think Payton wants Reggie still as his primary guy. Reggie I think is great value in PPR right now as I think he gets a little above 50% of the action and they don't pull him in the red zone either. Colston ranked 15th on here ??? wow If thats really his adp that would be insane value as Colston is Brees go to guy when healthy.

Tampa Bay - yuck stay away -- only KWIII has any true value here. Maybe Ward but nothing to write home about

San Francisco -- Gore looks great right now as does his back up. I think Morgan is the real value play a late wr that could a nice starting WR for your team all season.

Seattle I really think Housh might prove to be a a value play at 4th round adp. Hasselbeck might get tunnel vision here maybe him a PPR dynamo. I love Butler for value late as I really think he might end up starting soon. Nothing at RB maybe Forsett as a solid last round flyer.

ST Louis -- Avery is great value as he seems to be healing fast and might play week 2. He is there only true wr threat and will get many looks. Lauret Robinson is nice value really late.

Miami - Ronnie Brown even at round 3 is great value as he has top 5 RB talent especially in ppr. I think there is 2 soliud WR value with Ginn around rd 10 and Bess as a late fyler. Ginn IMO is going to breakout as a solid #3 wr.

New England - Maroney could prove a solid late play. Everything else is going about right - though I think Welker is a little over valued -- great player but not IMO a late 2nd round PPR pick - late 3rd yes.

Tennessee -- Starting to not like CJIII as much espeically as a top 7 overall pick. White has trimmed down and looks great as does Ringer. Lots of mouths to feeds here. I like White for value by far.. Gage is also solid value as a nice 12 - 15 round pick.

Houston - everyhting going where it should -- maybe Walter is a value buy

Indianapolis -- I love Addai as a sweet ppr value play. He is having a great camp and even with Brown looking good Addai is still the starter and will get 60-70% . Collie might be a sneaky deep sleeper.

San Diego - Chambers IMO is the best receiver they have and was injured all last season. He could be a nice value guy. Gates is over valued as is LT by a mile. Rivers is agreat but going where he should.

Cleveland -- James Davis will be starting by game 5 and will be one of the top ww picks of the season -- calling this now. Edwards will bounce back and really end up a sweet value play.

Pittsburgh - Sorry but Mendy is awful and very overated. Parker - rumors of his demise is very exaggerated. Parker might end up the RB value play. Holmes is over valued.

Jacksonville - Holt is having a nice camp and might have 1 more season in the sun -- at a 8th rd adp could be solid. Williamson is tering it up tough and might be a great last round guy but I have a feeling M. Walker keeps his job as when he played last year he looked really good.

Kansas City - Larry JOhnson having a great camp and at 6-7th round adp could be unreal non ppr value. Cassell is overated a little.

Oakland - LOve the value oif M. Bush or should say would love it but Raiders simply won't play him. Shame as he has alot of talent. Z. Miuller is a value guy and so is Chaz even with his injury -- the injuury will help you get him in the last round.

Denver - In PPR Royal has as much value as it gets for a little guy. 5-6th round might be solid value. Buckhalter represents soid value as he is their starter NOT Moreno at least not for maybe the first month of the season.

 
Excellent thread/post, agree with a lot of your takes. This would be a great little cheatsheet to have next to you at a draft just to glance at value plays. Nice effort, well done.

 
Tennessee -- Starting to not like CJIII as much espeically as a top 7 overall pick. White has trimmed down and looks great as does Ringer. Lots of mouths to feeds here. I like White for value by far.. Gage is also solid value as a nice 12 - 15 round pick.
I like CJ enough, but you may be right in redrafts. Ringer will send White packing within a couple years.
Pittsburgh - Sorry but Mendy is awful and very overated. Parker - rumors of his demise is very exaggerated. Parker might end up the RB value play. Holmes is over valued.
I love me some Holmes in real league, but in FF, you're right. Also looking to nab MeMo late because I agree on Mendenhall, not sure on FWP.
 
Nice post.

Watch out for Laurent Robinson. The guy displayed terrific hands snatching the ball. Would not be shocked if he led STL in receiving this year.

As a faithful Illinois alum, I want to see Mendenhall do well, but he's got to start running with some authority. If he doesn't, what does he have that Parker (or Moore for that matter) already do??? I haven't seen him with that breakout carry yet. He's really reminding me of Laurence Maroney (big guys you'd expect more pop from). Thought Parker showed a bit more burst last weekend. JMO If Mendenhall doesn't step up soon, he's going to see himself behind Parker next year too.

I got to think Mike Walker is wearing his welcome thin in Jacksonville. If there rookies were displaying much, I wouldn't be surprised to see him on the chopping block. At some point, you got to stay on the field and produce.

I think the Forsett love is a bit overstated in this forum. I see another Lorenzo Booker type that could possibily develop as 3rd down back.

The guys I'm target are in Cincy (Ocho & Henry at their ADP's). Ocho really looks to be back [no surprise to me if he finishes top 5]

 
Excellent Read, thanks. Here are a couple of thoughts I would love to add

Chicago I really love Desmond Clark. Olsen is easily going to end up in the top 3 but Clark might hit the 10-12 range. Playing in a 2 TE league, he's a great late round addition

Detroit Kevin Smith is going to have a great season. He's got a real NFL head coach and offensive coordinators who can call plays.

Green Bay Visanthe Shiancoe is going to love having Farve as his QB

New Orleans Meachem will have a big year

St. Louis Won't touch anyone from this team with someone else's roster. Stay away except in late rounds

 
San Diego - Chambers IMO is the best receiver they have and was injured all last season. He could be a nice value guy.
:goodposting: I think this is the year Floyd and Nanee take an appreciable bite out of his PT (even if he's not injured). I expect Chambers to be let go at the end of this season. At best he's the 3rd option behind Gates and Jackson. I don't see him with tons of upside if you're drafting him in the middle rounds, I wouldn't reach for him. His ADP of around the 13th round gives a little room for value, not a ton.

Gates is over valued as is LT by a mile.
:thumbup: Gates will be the #1 TE in FF this year, he's looking great in preseason. He's well worth his late 4th round ADP.

Tomlinson will be a top 12 performer this year when it's all said and done - he deserves to be a 1st round pick.

 
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Nice post. Watch out for Laurent Robinson. The guy displayed terrific hands snatching the ball. Would not be shocked if he led STL in receiving this year. As a faithful Illinois alum, I want to see Mendenhall do well, but he's got to start running with some authority. If he doesn't, what does he have that Parker (or Moore for that matter) already do??? I haven't seen him with that breakout carry yet. He's really reminding me of Laurence Maroney (big guys you'd expect more pop from). Thought Parker showed a bit more burst last weekend. JMO If Mendenhall doesn't step up soon, he's going to see himself behind Parker next year too. I got to think Mike Walker is wearing his welcome thin in Jacksonville. If there rookies were displaying much, I wouldn't be surprised to see him on the chopping block. At some point, you got to stay on the field and produce.I think the Forsett love is a bit overstated in this forum. I see another Lorenzo Booker type that could possibily develop as 3rd down back.The guys I'm target are in Cincy (Ocho & Henry at their ADP's). Ocho really looks to be back [no surprise to me if he finishes top 5]
Yeah Mendenhall just hasn't done anything and Parker even though he ONLY plays well against poor defenses against the run still you can at least count on that. MeMo is IMO will be the teams #2 back unless Mendy show something. Right now Mendenhall is all hype. Parker isn't great but you can colunt on him tearing up lesser teams. Against good teams I would play him though. Mike Walker showed promise last year but with Williamson taking off maybe youre right. Williamsson with his game breaking speed would be a great compliment to Holt and allow Holt to be the possesion guy. Garrard might indeed be in for a nice season as Dodds seems to think. Forsett - I mean I look at him as a KFaulk back but who else does Seattle have? JJ ? I cannot understand how Seattle never added a RB for the season. They should add a Edge for the vet minimum he would be better than anyhting they have.
 
San Diego - Chambers IMO is the best receiver they have and was injured all last season. He could be a nice value guy.
:no: I think this is the year Floyd and Nanee take an appreciable bite out of his PT (even if he's not injured). I expect Chambers to be let go at the end of this season. At best he's the 3rd option behind Gates and Jackson. I don't see him with tons of upside if you're drafting him in the middle rounds.

Gates is over valued as is LT by a mile.
:no: Gates will be the #1 TE in FF this year, he's looking great in preseason. He's well worth his late 4th round ADP.

Tomlinson will be a top 12 performer this year when it's all said and done - he deserves to be a 1st round pick.
CHambers is going in the 12th round and later...fyi Groovy
 
San Diego - Chambers IMO is the best receiver they have and was injured all last season. He could be a nice value guy.
:no: I think this is the year Floyd and Nanee take an appreciable bite out of his PT (even if he's not injured). I expect Chambers to be let go at the end of this season. At best he's the 3rd option behind Gates and Jackson. I don't see him with tons of upside if you're drafting him in the middle rounds.

Gates is over valued as is LT by a mile.
:no: Gates will be the #1 TE in FF this year, he's looking great in preseason. He's well worth his late 4th round ADP.

Tomlinson will be a top 12 performer this year when it's all said and done - he deserves to be a 1st round pick.
CHambers is going in the 12th round and later...fyi Groovy
See my edit above.
 
Arizona - Hightower is becoming the RB to own , Haley is missed on offense - Fitz and Quan won't hurt to much but it will be felt. HIghtower is a great value play late. Warner could be a little over valued

Cleveland -- James Davis will be starting by game 5 and will be one of the top ww picks of the season -- calling this now. Edwards will bounce back and really end up a sweet value play.

Nice job!! I'm doing my darnedest to get Hightower in all my leagues, he is one where the cat might not be out of the bag just yet because people still have the blinkers on for Wells.

Great ballsy call on James Davis, scoop him up now if he is still on your waiver wire. Respectfully disagree about Edwards....I think the trainwreck in Cleveland won't help Braylon and I think with a guy who drops so many balls, his 2007 season might be the exception rather than the rule.
 
Thanks for posting. I disagree with some of the takes but overall good stuff. I'd certainly recommend using just this post over many of the cheatsheets I've seen less experienced players use before.

 
I agree, solid read.

Although, I would have liked to hear a Felix Jones mention. I think he really breaks out this year.

 
Great read!

The only thing I disagree with is Larry Johnson. I have now seen both preseason games and he looks washed up. No speed, no power and extra umph that he used to have. Charles looks way quicker. I think LJ is suffering the effects from injury and one too many linebacker hits.

Absolutely totally agree about DWill, this time next year he will be in the #1 overall debate (should have been this year)

 
Dwill in IBL ( Interboard league ) as a sampling to use has gone.

3.5

2.6

2.8

2.8

2.10

2.8

1.12

2.7

This league had a few crazy value plays in regards to RB's but IMO none as wacky as dwill. Dwill won't go this late in most leagues but at the very tail end of round 1 is to be expected right now.

 
Dwill in IBL ( Interboard league ) as a sampling to use has gone.

3.5

2.6

2.8

2.8

2.10

2.8

1.12

2.7

This league had a few crazy value plays in regards to RB's but IMO none as wacky as dwill. Dwill won't go this late in most leagues but at the very tail end of round 1 is to be expected right now.
Yeah; looks like 11th overall from the last 3 weeks of mocks at antsports. ridiculous. top 5 back imo.
 
I think Turner will disappoint. Turner feasted on bad teams last year. Those cupcakes on the schedule have been replaced with good teams because they are playing a first place schedule. Especially in a PPR format Turner will be overdrafted. Ryan may eventually be a top 6 fantasy QB, but it won't be this year. Ryan had a fantastic rookie season in NFL terms. He was mediocre as a fantasy QB. This is still a running team, so I think me may move up to 12th in fantasy scoring, but not much more.

Ronnie Brown is not a value at all in the third round. Ronnie Brown scored four of his ten TDs against New England in week three because of the Wildcat. I don't know how many other TDs were out of the Wildcat formation. Teams run gadget offenses because they can't line up and beat you. NFL defensive coordinators should catch up with the Wildcat this year. I think he will struggle.

Portis is being overdrafted. The number of carries over his career I think catches up with him this year. I think this is a bad offense, and a team on the verge of crumbling. But I think Campbell surfaces with another team next year and goes on to have a solid career. I think he is talented and has never been utililized properly in Washington.

I wish the Raiders would trade Michael Bush. I think if you put him in a starting role he will shine. Seattle perhaps?

Peyton Hillis is the back to have in Denver. He is too talented to keep off the field. Buckhalter has always been a back up and that is all he really is capable of.

 
I think Turner will disappoint. Turner feasted on bad teams last year. Those cupcakes on the schedule have been replaced with good teams because they are playing a first place schedule. Especially in a PPR format Turner will be overdrafted. Ryan may eventually be a top 6 fantasy QB, but it won't be this year. Ryan had a fantastic rookie season in NFL terms. He was mediocre as a fantasy QB. This is still a running team, so I think me may move up to 12th in fantasy scoring, but not much more.Ronnie Brown is not a value at all in the third round. Ronnie Brown scored four of his ten TDs against New England in week three because of the Wildcat. I don't know how many other TDs were out of the Wildcat formation. Teams run gadget offenses because they can't line up and beat you. NFL defensive coordinators should catch up with the Wildcat this year. I think he will struggle.Portis is being overdrafted. The number of carries over his career I think catches up with him this year. I think this is a bad offense, and a team on the verge of crumbling. But I think Campbell surfaces with another team next year and goes on to have a solid career. I think he is talented and has never been utililized properly in Washington. I wish the Raiders would trade Michael Bush. I think if you put him in a starting role he will shine. Seattle perhaps?Peyton Hillis is the back to have in Denver. He is too talented to keep off the field. Buckhalter has always been a back up and that is all he really is capable of.
disagree hereTurner flat out had a great season last year he was basically only held to 50 yards 3 times the rest of the time he had a good scorign week. He was amazingly consistent actually. Ronnie Brown was 1 year returned from a ACL and was sharign time. This year he will share much less and is 2 years removed from ACL. At tiem of injury he was a top 5 RB or playing like it at least.Portis is still age wise young and in his prime. Many are writing him off - I think he produces like a low end 1. I think Wash passing game improves this year and the line seems to be intact. I am thinking a 1500 / 10 season if he stays healthy.Bush I agree he is a solid back and would be nice if he started. Hillis - :( I have him as #4 on that depth chart. Currently Denver wants Buck to start and work Moreno in and eventually have Moreno take over full time around week 6. Jordan is the #3 abnd a favorite of McD.. Hillis getting anything but spot duty is a streth. maybe Hillis is the FB and gets Shorties though. Moreno and Buck both run tough and are solid short yardage guys.
 
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I think Turner will disappoint. Turner feasted on bad teams last year. Those cupcakes on the schedule have been replaced with good teams because they are playing a first place schedule. Especially in a PPR format Turner will be overdrafted. Ryan may eventually be a top 6 fantasy QB, but it won't be this year. Ryan had a fantastic rookie season in NFL terms. He was mediocre as a fantasy QB. This is still a running team, so I think me may move up to 12th in fantasy scoring, but not much more.Ronnie Brown is not a value at all in the third round. Ronnie Brown scored four of his ten TDs against New England in week three because of the Wildcat. I don't know how many other TDs were out of the Wildcat formation. Teams run gadget offenses because they can't line up and beat you. NFL defensive coordinators should catch up with the Wildcat this year. I think he will struggle.Portis is being overdrafted. The number of carries over his career I think catches up with him this year. I think this is a bad offense, and a team on the verge of crumbling. But I think Campbell surfaces with another team next year and goes on to have a solid career. I think he is talented and has never been utililized properly in Washington. I wish the Raiders would trade Michael Bush. I think if you put him in a starting role he will shine. Seattle perhaps?Peyton Hillis is the back to have in Denver. He is too talented to keep off the field. Buckhalter has always been a back up and that is all he really is capable of.
disagree hereTurner flat out had a great season last year he was basically only held to 50 yards 3 times the rest of the time he had a good scorign week. He was amazingly consistent actually. Ronnie Brown was 1 year returned from a ACL and was sharign time. This year he will share much less and is 2 years removed from ACL. At tiem of injury he was a top 5 RB or playing like it at least.Portis is still age wise young and in his prime. Many are writing him off - I think he produces like a low end 1. I think Wash passing game improves this year and the line seems to be intact. I am thinking a 1500 / 10 season if he stays healthy.Bush I agree he is a solid back and would be nice if he started. Hillis - :mellow: I have him as #4 on that depth chart. Currently Denver wants Buck to start and work Moreno in and eventually have Moreno take over full time around week 6. Jordan is the #3 abnd a favorite of McD.. Hillis getting anything but spot duty is a streth. maybe Hillis is the FB and gets Shorties though. Moreno and Buck both run tough and are solid short yardage guys.
I'm not saying Turner will be bad. I'm saying Turner will be overdrafted. His current ADP is 4th. I think that is too high. He had eight games where he ran for 100 yards. They were against:Det-220-2 TDs-32nd against the runKan-104-3 TDs-30th against the run@GNB-121-1 TD-26th against the run@Oak-139-0 TDs-31st against the runCar-117-4 TDs-20th against the run@SD-120-0 TDs=11th against the runTam-152-1 TD-19th against the runStl-208-1 TD-29th against the runHis other games;@TB-42-0 TD-19th ATR@Car-56-0 TD-20th ATRChi-54-0 TD-5th ATR@Phi-58-0 TD-4th ATRNOR-96-1 TD-17th ATRDen-81-2 TD-27th ATR@Nor-61-1 TD-17th ATR@Min-70-1 TD-1st ATRLast year Turner only had four games against defenses in the top half of the league against the rush. Now granted you can only play the games they schedule but I think he feasted on weaker teams last year. This year his schedule is a lot harder. This is the schedule this year:Mia-10th ATRCar-20th ATR@NE-15th ATR@SF-13th ATRChi-5th ATR@Dal-12th ATR@Nor-17th ATRWas-8th ATR@Car-20th ATR@NYG-9th ATRTam-19th ATRPhi-4th ATRNor-17th ATR@NYJ-7th ATRBuf-22nd ATRSo last year they played four teams in the top half of the league against the run, and three in the top ten. This year they play ten teams ranked in the top half of the league, and six in the top ten. This year the worst team they play was ranked 22nd. Last year they played six teams ranked worse than that. The number of TDs against defenses in the bottom half of the league against the rush, 16. Number of TDs against teams in the top half of the league, 1. Now I know defensive rankings can change, teams jump up from year to year, and other teams slide. But this schedule is significantly harder than last year. I expect his rushing totals to drop to around 1400 to 1450, and TDs more in the range of 9 or 10. When you consider that he catches almost no passes his value drops considerably in PPR formats. So he is still a very good player, but a RB I would look at in the bottom half of the first round rather than at 4th where he is being drafted now.
 
The Moz said:
Pittsburgh - Sorry but Mendy is awful and very overated. Parker - rumors of his demise is very exaggerated. Parker might end up the RB value play. Holmes is over valued.
I am curious if you saw teh Steelers-Redskins game last week? I thought Mendenhall looked pretty good. I agree about Parker, BTW. He is still the main back...

 
I think Turner will disappoint. Turner feasted on bad teams last year. Those cupcakes on the schedule have been replaced with good teams because they are playing a first place schedule. Especially in a PPR format Turner will be overdrafted. Ryan may eventually be a top 6 fantasy QB, but it won't be this year. Ryan had a fantastic rookie season in NFL terms. He was mediocre as a fantasy QB. This is still a running team, so I think me may move up to 12th in fantasy scoring, but not much more.Ronnie Brown is not a value at all in the third round. Ronnie Brown scored four of his ten TDs against New England in week three because of the Wildcat. I don't know how many other TDs were out of the Wildcat formation. Teams run gadget offenses because they can't line up and beat you. NFL defensive coordinators should catch up with the Wildcat this year. I think he will struggle.Portis is being overdrafted. The number of carries over his career I think catches up with him this year. I think this is a bad offense, and a team on the verge of crumbling. But I think Campbell surfaces with another team next year and goes on to have a solid career. I think he is talented and has never been utililized properly in Washington. I wish the Raiders would trade Michael Bush. I think if you put him in a starting role he will shine. Seattle perhaps?Peyton Hillis is the back to have in Denver. He is too talented to keep off the field. Buckhalter has always been a back up and that is all he really is capable of.
disagree hereTurner flat out had a great season last year he was basically only held to 50 yards 3 times the rest of the time he had a good scorign week. He was amazingly consistent actually. Ronnie Brown was 1 year returned from a ACL and was sharign time. This year he will share much less and is 2 years removed from ACL. At tiem of injury he was a top 5 RB or playing like it at least.Portis is still age wise young and in his prime. Many are writing him off - I think he produces like a low end 1. I think Wash passing game improves this year and the line seems to be intact. I am thinking a 1500 / 10 season if he stays healthy.Bush I agree he is a solid back and would be nice if he started. Hillis - :popcorn: I have him as #4 on that depth chart. Currently Denver wants Buck to start and work Moreno in and eventually have Moreno take over full time around week 6. Jordan is the #3 abnd a favorite of McD.. Hillis getting anything but spot duty is a streth. maybe Hillis is the FB and gets Shorties though. Moreno and Buck both run tough and are solid short yardage guys.
Ronnie Brown has only had 1000 yards rushing once in his career, and that was 1005 in 2006. I think his numbers were inflated last year because of their success in the Wildcat, and he still didn't have 1000 yards rushing. Pat White was drafted to take the Wildcat carries away from Brown. I don't know whether he will be able to do that, but that is why he was drafted. Defensive coordinators are very quick to catch up to something. The run and shoot was very successful initially, until defensive coordinators figured out how to beat it. The same thing will happen with the Wildcat. I think it will be a lot less effective this year than it was last. So even if they continue to use Brown in that formation he won't have the success he had last year. And I think teams use gadgets when they can't just line up and beat you. So I think the Dolphins aren't going to have as much success running the ball this year as they had last year. Add to that, they play a first place schedule this year. Brown may be in his second year removed from an ACL tear, but I think he was as healthy as he is going to get. He seemed to be able to do everything he could do prior to the injury, last year. I don't expect him to get better this year. I think the best case scenario for Brown is 1200 combined yards, 7 TDs, and 25 catches. But I think he has a good chance to have less than that.
 
The Moz said:
Pittsburgh - Sorry but Mendy is awful and very overated. Parker - rumors of his demise is very exaggerated. Parker might end up the RB value play. Holmes is over valued.
I am curious if you saw teh Steelers-Redskins game last week? I thought Mendenhall looked pretty good. I agree about Parker, BTW. He is still the main back...
I have seen him make a few good runs - I even saw 1 good one in the Ravens game before he was injured. Just he runs so timid at least right now i can't see him as a NFL star at least not until changes are made.
 
I think Turner will disappoint. Turner feasted on bad teams last year. Those cupcakes on the schedule have been replaced with good teams because they are playing a first place schedule. Especially in a PPR format Turner will be overdrafted. Ryan may eventually be a top 6 fantasy QB, but it won't be this year. Ryan had a fantastic rookie season in NFL terms. He was mediocre as a fantasy QB. This is still a running team, so I think me may move up to 12th in fantasy scoring, but not much more.Ronnie Brown is not a value at all in the third round. Ronnie Brown scored four of his ten TDs against New England in week three because of the Wildcat. I don't know how many other TDs were out of the Wildcat formation. Teams run gadget offenses because they can't line up and beat you. NFL defensive coordinators should catch up with the Wildcat this year. I think he will struggle.Portis is being overdrafted. The number of carries over his career I think catches up with him this year. I think this is a bad offense, and a team on the verge of crumbling. But I think Campbell surfaces with another team next year and goes on to have a solid career. I think he is talented and has never been utililized properly in Washington. I wish the Raiders would trade Michael Bush. I think if you put him in a starting role he will shine. Seattle perhaps?Peyton Hillis is the back to have in Denver. He is too talented to keep off the field. Buckhalter has always been a back up and that is all he really is capable of.
disagree hereTurner flat out had a great season last year he was basically only held to 50 yards 3 times the rest of the time he had a good scorign week. He was amazingly consistent actually. Ronnie Brown was 1 year returned from a ACL and was sharign time. This year he will share much less and is 2 years removed from ACL. At tiem of injury he was a top 5 RB or playing like it at least.Portis is still age wise young and in his prime. Many are writing him off - I think he produces like a low end 1. I think Wash passing game improves this year and the line seems to be intact. I am thinking a 1500 / 10 season if he stays healthy.Bush I agree he is a solid back and would be nice if he started. Hillis - :D I have him as #4 on that depth chart. Currently Denver wants Buck to start and work Moreno in and eventually have Moreno take over full time around week 6. Jordan is the #3 abnd a favorite of McD.. Hillis getting anything but spot duty is a streth. maybe Hillis is the FB and gets Shorties though. Moreno and Buck both run tough and are solid short yardage guys.
I'm not saying Turner will be bad. I'm saying Turner will be overdrafted. His current ADP is 4th. I think that is too high. He had eight games where he ran for 100 yards. They were against:Det-220-2 TDs-32nd against the runKan-104-3 TDs-30th against the run@GNB-121-1 TD-26th against the run@Oak-139-0 TDs-31st against the runCar-117-4 TDs-20th against the run@SD-120-0 TDs=11th against the runTam-152-1 TD-19th against the runStl-208-1 TD-29th against the runHis other games;@TB-42-0 TD-19th ATR@Car-56-0 TD-20th ATRChi-54-0 TD-5th ATR@Phi-58-0 TD-4th ATRNOR-96-1 TD-17th ATRDen-81-2 TD-27th ATR@Nor-61-1 TD-17th ATR@Min-70-1 TD-1st ATRLast year Turner only had four games against defenses in the top half of the league against the rush. Now granted you can only play the games they schedule but I think he feasted on weaker teams last year. This year his schedule is a lot harder. This is the schedule this year:Mia-10th ATRCar-20th ATR@NE-15th ATR@SF-13th ATRChi-5th ATR@Dal-12th ATR@Nor-17th ATRWas-8th ATR@Car-20th ATR@NYG-9th ATRTam-19th ATRPhi-4th ATRNor-17th ATR@NYJ-7th ATRBuf-22nd ATRSo last year they played four teams in the top half of the league against the run, and three in the top ten. This year they play ten teams ranked in the top half of the league, and six in the top ten. This year the worst team they play was ranked 22nd. Last year they played six teams ranked worse than that. The number of TDs against defenses in the bottom half of the league against the rush, 16. Number of TDs against teams in the top half of the league, 1. Now I know defensive rankings can change, teams jump up from year to year, and other teams slide. But this schedule is significantly harder than last year. I expect his rushing totals to drop to around 1400 to 1450, and TDs more in the range of 9 or 10. When you consider that he catches almost no passes his value drops considerably in PPR formats. So he is still a very good player, but a RB I would look at in the bottom half of the first round rather than at 4th where he is being drafted now.
You dissect many backs stats to make that same argument of they only do good against weaker teams. He still had 8 games over a 100 yards and only had 4 games where he didn't either get 100 yards or a score. Even all world backs struggle against great D's. Non PPR Turner is top 4 no brainer in NON PPR I have it AD-Turner-Dwill-mjd-Forte
 
The Moz said:
Pittsburgh - Sorry but Mendy is awful and very overated. Parker - rumors of his demise is very exaggerated. Parker might end up the RB value play. Holmes is over valued.
I am curious if you saw teh Steelers-Redskins game last week? I thought Mendenhall looked pretty good. I agree about Parker, BTW. He is still the main back...
I have seen him make a few good runs - I even saw 1 good one in the Ravens game before he was injured. Just he runs so timid at least right now i can't see him as a NFL star at least not until changes are made.
Still think he's the kind of back that will get what's blocked and nothing more.Just don't think he has the instincts or the passion for the game to improve much either.

100% hope I'm wrong.

 
You dissect many backs stats to make that same argument of they only do good against weaker teams. He still had 8 games over a 100 yards and only had 4 games where he didn't either get 100 yards or a score. Even all world backs struggle against great D's.

Non PPR Turner is top 4 no brainer in NON PPR I have it AD-Turner-Dwill-mjd-Forte

In non-PPR you might be right. I only play in PPR, and his lack of catches, plus all the other things I sight, I'd drop him down towards the bottom of the first round. But you draft him where you feel comfortable. I think I made a compelling argument that Turner won't be nearly as productive as you think he will be. In PPR leagues you have to consider at least three or four receivers in the first round, which further drops the value of RBs.

 
Martellus Bennett = HUGE value.
I know you're a well informed Cowboy head, so I take it seriously when you say this. I've seen other people say this too. What's your thinking here? Do you have a rough projection for him this year?
Here's my logic combined with seeing a lot of him play/practice.1) Dallas lost TO.1a) Williams is no T.O. Witten is still great and should have a very strong year, but he can only do so much. Witten will be the focal point of opposing defenses.2) Dallas is switching to a 2 TE set which it will incorporate 45-55% of the offensive plays.3) Bennett is 6'7 and very athletic. He poses a nightmare match up for Safeties or LB's and will be a huge Red Zone threat. He is giving the Dallas D fits in training camp and making highlight plays on a daily basis.4) Neither Austin or Hurd has taken a strong grip on the WR 3 spot. Alhough for the record, I give Hurd a slight edge at this point.5) Crayton is NOT a normal red zone threat.6) Ask yourself the following: How many TD's is Romo going to throw? Then ask, who's gonna catch them? Roy 9?Witten 7?Crayton 4?Romo threw for 28 TD's last year while missing time. Here are Bennett's numbers from last year.20 Reception's for 283 yards and 4TD's as a Rookie.I am expecting higher then what I am about to post, but as a start you can bet on a starting floor of:35 receptions 450 yards and 6 TD's (Keep in mind he has an ADP of 242). I could see as high as:45 receptions 585 yards and 7-8TD's. (TD's admitedly are hard to predict)
 
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I am expecting higher then what I am about to post, but as a start you can bet on a starting floor of:35 receptions 450 yards and 6 TD's (Keep in mind he has an ADP of 242). I could see as high as:45 receptions 585 yards and 7-8TD's. (TD's admitedly are hard to predict)
Great info here (clipped the quote just to not be obnoxious) - duly noted.
 
ronb10 said:
Excellent Read, thanks. Here are a couple of thoughts I would love to add

Chicago I really love Desmond Clark. Olsen is easily going to end up in the top 3 but Clark might hit the 10-12 range. Playing in a 2 TE league, he's a great late round addition

Detroit Kevin Smith is going to have a great season. He's got a real NFL head coach and offensive coordinators who can call plays.

Green Bay Visanthe Shiancoe is going to love having Farve as his QB

New Orleans Meachem will have a big year

St. Louis Won't touch anyone from this team with someone else's roster. Stay away except in late rounds
Freud to the white phone. :)
 
Martellus Bennett = HUGE value.
Do you believe he'll finish in the top ten?
Yes, I do.
Your own projections would make him hard pressed to crack the top ten based upon yardage...and 7-8 touchdowns? 4 te's had that many last year. I know you have a clue as to what's going on with the Cowboys, but I am having an extremely difficult time believing they'll have TWO top ten TE's.
 
Martellus Bennett = HUGE value.
Do you believe he'll finish in the top ten?
Yes, I do.
Your own projections would make him hard pressed to crack the top ten based upon yardage...and 7-8 touchdowns? 4 te's had that many last year. I know you have a clue as to what's going on with the Cowboys, but I am having an extremely difficult time believing they'll have TWO top ten TE's.
One of those TE's was Shiancoe who had low receptions.585 yards is 59 points7 TD's is 42 points101 FF points. This should be around the top 10 :goodposting: . Maybe 8-12th?I know the prediction is a "little out there", but I have tried my best to share my rationale. We'll see what happens.
 
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Martellus Bennett = HUGE value.
I know you're a well informed Cowboy head, so I take it seriously when you say this. I've seen other people say this too. What's your thinking here? Do you have a rough projection for him this year?
As a close Cowboy follower, even I've had trouble trying to gauge where the balls are heading this year. Witten stays the same as last year probably. Thats the one constant. Roy Williams probably gets 65-70 catches, a little over 4 per game.Then there's a big mess with Crayton, Hurd, Austin, Bennett, MB3, and Felix. Any and all of them could be between 20 and 50 catches. The thing about Bennett though is he's should be a beast in the redzone. The guy is a power forward with mad hops. (Yes, he looked at playing in the NBA coming out of high school). 6'6" 265. You couple that with the fact that Witten and Roy will draw heavy readzone coverage and leave him singled. I could see him getting maybe 35-45 catches and 6-8 TDs on the year. A really high TD percentage.
 
Here's my logic combined with seeing a lot of him play/practice.1) Dallas lost TO.1a) Williams is no T.O. Witten is still great and should have a very strong year, but he can only do so much. Witten will be the focal point of opposing defenses.2) Dallas is switching to a 2 TE set which it will incorporate 45-55% of the offensive plays.3) Bennett is 6'7 and very athletic. He poses a nightmare match up for Safeties or LB's and will be a huge Red Zone threat. He is giving the Dallas D fits in training camp and making highlight plays on a daily basis.4) Neither Austin or Hurd has taken a strong grip on the WR 3 spot. Alhough for the record, I give Hurd a slight edge at this point.5) Crayton is NOT a normal red zone threat.6) Ask yourself the following: How many TD's is Romo going to throw? Then ask, who's gonna catch them? Roy 9?Witten 7?Crayton 4?Romo threw for 28 TD's last year while missing time. Here are Bennett's numbers from last year.20 Reception's for 283 yards and 4TD's as a Rookie.I am expecting higher then what I am about to post, but as a start you can bet on a starting floor of:35 receptions 450 yards and 6 TD's (Keep in mind he has an ADP of 242). I could see as high as:45 receptions 585 yards and 7-8TD's. (TD's admitedly are hard to predict)
Interesting that we're pretty close on Bennett. I put my guess together without seeing your estimates.
 
ronb10 said:
Excellent Read, thanks. Here are a couple of thoughts I would love to add

Chicago I really love Desmond Clark. Olsen is easily going to end up in the top 3 but Clark might hit the 10-12 range. Playing in a 2 TE league, he's a great late round addition

Detroit Kevin Smith is going to have a great season. He's got a real NFL head coach and offensive coordinators who can call plays.

Green Bay Visanthe Shiancoe is going to love having Farve as his QB

New Orleans Meachem will have a big year

St. Louis Won't touch anyone from this team with someone else's roster. Stay away except in late rounds
I've heard this before.
 
The Moz said:
Pittsburgh - Sorry but Mendy is awful and very overated. Parker - rumors of his demise is very exaggerated. Parker might end up the RB value play. Holmes is over valued.
I am curious if you saw teh Steelers-Redskins game last week? I thought Mendenhall looked pretty good.
I have seen him make a few good runs - I even saw 1 good one in the Ravens game before he was injured. Just he runs so timid at least right now i can't see him as a NFL star at least not until changes are made.
I seem to remember similar things being said about another second-year RB drafted in the late first round a few years. But eventually Larry Johnson put it all together and became a stud.
 

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