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My theory about Dre Bly (1 Viewer)

Raider Nation

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He wants to play in Washington because they will give him a long-term deal and it's close to his home in Virginia. Uh huh. Do you really think those are the only reasons?

Denver would reportedly be willing to take care of him after this season with a long-term deal if he plays well. And there's your problem. He knows that no QBs will throw at Bailey, so Bly is going to see more balls than Paris Hilton's chin. His poor-technique and tendency to gamble on the island will be exposed on a weekly basis, and everyone will know he's a fraud.

Bly doesn't want you to know that <GASP> he's not as good as most people think he is.

What better way to run from a challenge than play for a bad Redskins team, out of the spotlight.

:banned:

 
Not sure i really get it. If Bly goes to Wash, he will then be the CB1 and have to face teams best WR. All of these holes in his game would be more easily pointed out by a WR1, no?

 
He wants to play in Washington because they will give him a long-term deal and it's close to his home in Virginia. Uh huh. Do you really think those are the only reasons?

Denver would reportedly be willing to take care of him after this season with a long-term deal if he plays well. And there's your problem. He knows that no QBs will throw at Bailey, so Bly is going to see more balls than Paris Hilton's chin. His poor-technique and tendency to gamble on the island will be exposed on a weekly basis, and everyone will know he's a fraud.

Bly doesn't want you to know that <GASP> he's not as good as most people think he is.

What better way to run from a challenge than play for a bad Redskins team, out of the spotlight.

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:banned: Nice analogy.
 
Not sure i really get it. If Bly goes to Wash, he will then be the CB1 and have to face teams best WR. All of these holes in his game would be more easily pointed out by a WR1, no?
Dont they have smoot & springs?
Smoot is garbage and no way will be a CB1. My understading was that Springs was gone if Bly was traded for.
Bly, while he makes a few plays here& there isn't much better than Smoot and I know a healthy Springs is alot better than Bly
 
You're overthinking this. He's a 30yo NFL player that wants his payday NOW! Period.

I can see where he's coming from(injuries are a big risk in the NFL and how many people are going to shell out big $ for a 31yo CB?), but nobody forced him to sign the length of his last contract. He can fuss and stamp his feet if he wants but when it comes right down to it don't you think he'll play for what DEN is paying him rather than sit out and miss one of his few remaining pay-days?

 
You're overthinking this. He's a 30yo NFL player that wants his payday NOW! Period.I can see where he's coming from(injuries are a big risk in the NFL and how many people are going to shell out big $ for a 31yo CB?), but nobody forced him to sign the length of his last contract. He can fuss and stamp his feet if he wants but when it comes right down to it don't you think he'll play for what DEN is paying him rather than sit out and miss one of his few remaining pay-days?
I don't think Raidernation is overthinking, rather you two are more aligned than your post suggests. I thought the same thing as Raider's original post, and I also think he knows that his skills began declining already and if he doesn't strike this off-season, as you pointed out, there may not be another significant pay day for him.. Bly is a gambler. As a Bronco he'll be the designated target by design each week. If he is all that he thinks he is, then pony up and ride it out. Playing opposite Champ, Bly SHOULD be good for 6 to 8 INTs next year. There's the rub. I'm not convinced he will hold up under that pressure. He's still a solid corner, don't get me wrong. He's just never been a shutdown/cover corner. He's a playmaker who thrives off his ability to make plays on the ball, especially when WRs look open. He's also among the very best in the league at stripping said ball after the catch.
 
Not sure i really get it. If Bly goes to Wash, he will then be the CB1 and have to face teams best WR. All of these holes in his game would be more easily pointed out by a WR1, no?
Bailey plays on a side of the field. DEN doesn't lineup to matchup. Whichever team plays denver will have their #1 lined up against Bly.
 
He wants to play in Washington because they will give him a long-term deal and it's close to his home in Virginia. Uh huh. Do you really think those are the only reasons?

Denver would reportedly be willing to take care of him after this season with a long-term deal if he plays well. And there's your problem. He knows that no QBs will throw at Bailey, so Bly is going to see more balls than Paris Hilton's chin. His poor-technique and tendency to gamble on the island will be exposed on a weekly basis, and everyone will know he's a fraud.

Bly doesn't want you to know that <GASP> he's not as good as most people think he is.

What better way to run from a challenge than play for a bad Redskins team, out of the spotlight.

:thumbup:
I think this makes perfect sense. He's going to look really mediocre and thus his chance at that last big payday will go down the tubes. If he could learn something from Champ then maybe he can cash in, but it looks like he wants to run and hide...
 
He wants to play in Washington because they will give him a long-term deal and it's close to his home in Virginia. Uh huh. Do you really think those are the only reasons?
Why couldn't it be? A long term contract should be his top priority. There's the risk of injury this year, and even if he does perform up to expectation, he'll be 32 by the time he plays for the next team. His potential for a big contract proably won't be higher than it is now.
 
Warhogs said:
RAIDERNATION said:
He wants to play in Washington because they will give him a long-term deal and it's close to his home in Virginia. Uh huh. Do you really think those are the only reasons?

Denver would reportedly be willing to take care of him after this season with a long-term deal if he plays well. And there's your problem. He knows that no QBs will throw at Bailey, so Bly is going to see more balls than Paris Hilton's chin. His poor-technique and tendency to gamble on the island will be exposed on a weekly basis, and everyone will know he's a fraud.

Bly doesn't want you to know that <GASP> he's not as good as most people think he is.

What better way to run from a challenge than play for a bad Redskins team, out of the spotlight.

:shrug:
:lmao: Nice analogy.
:yes:
 
jurb26 said:
Not sure i really get it. If Bly goes to Wash, he will then be the CB1 and have to face teams best WR.
Yes, but to Bly, that is preferable to playing with Champ.He is FAR less likely to get thrown at in Washington, thus masking his deficiencies.
 
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Bly has been playing 1 on 1 coverage versus #1 WRs with little to no safety help for years now. He's very good and could make life miserable for most #2 WRs in the league. I think he just wants a big payday NOW.

 
I am quite sure he would be happy in Dnver if they were willing to give him the Danny Snyder reach-around.

And I don't blame him. If he can work his way out of town, and get a long term deal a year early, he should.

It's a good point about Bailey. Playing opposite him could easily hurt his chances of getting a fat deal next year.

 
I am quite sure he would be happy in Dnver if they were willing to give him the Danny Snyder reach-around.And I don't blame him. If he can work his way out of town, and get a long term deal a year early, he should.It's a good point about Bailey. Playing opposite him could easily hurt his chances of getting a fat deal next year.
I think playing across from Bailey would fatten his INT totals and actually help his percieved value. I could be wrong, but Bly isn't all that bad of a cover guy. I was under the same impression as a previous poster was, doesn't/didn't he already get the WR1 with little help in Det? Now, I havn't had the opportunity to watch Bly play much seeing that he is in Det and they are never on TV where I live. My guess is that he would have a very good season in Den however. Even if teams want to roll the Dice by putting the WR1 opposite Bailey, towards Bly. That leaves a missmatch on the other side as Bailey can now just man up with no help and take the other WR out of the game. S help should be easy to come by for Bly in this situation, thus making his "gamling" nature only better as he can lean on the S help and take more chances, leading to more picks. Worse case, he is used to covering WR1s and now he covers WR2s. Am I missing something here?
 
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I am quite sure he would be happy in Dnver if they were willing to give him the Danny Snyder reach-around.And I don't blame him. If he can work his way out of town, and get a long term deal a year early, he should.It's a good point about Bailey. Playing opposite him could easily hurt his chances of getting a fat deal next year.
I think playing across from Bailey would fatten his INT totals and actually help his percieved value. I could be wrong, but Bly isn't all that bad of a cover guy. I was under the same impression as a previous poster was, doesn't/didn't he already get the WR1 with little help in Det? Now, I havn't had the opportunity to watch Bly play much seeing that he is in Det and they are never on TV where I live. My guess is that he would have a very good season in Den however. Even if teams want to roll the Dice by putting the WR1 opposite Bailey, towards Bly. That leaves a missmathc on the other side as Bailey can no just man up with no help and take the other WR out of the game. S help should be easy to come by for Bly in this situation, thus making his "gamling" nature only better as he can lean on the S help and take chances. Worse case, he is used to covering WR1s and now he covers WR2s. Am I missing something here?
Well, the theory goes that he was able to be avoided in Detroit, because teams would just go after the easy mark on the other side. Perhaps making him look better than he was.And in Denver, he'll be the guy they go after, as teams avoid Bailey, exposing coverage deficiencies.Just stating the theory, not saying I agree with it.But I do agree that if Bly gets picked on, it may hurt his chances. He may indeed get 6 or 7 picks. But what if he only gets 2 or 3, and other teams get all their yardage through the air on his side? He might still be the same player, a very good CB, but facing the brunt of the passing attack every week could make him look bad.Could go either way, IMO.
 
Bly was a cancer in Detroit from day 1.

The talent starved Lions were going to release him for nothing!! To get Tatum Bell and a starting tackle for Bly was highway robbery.

 
Darrent Williams had 4 ints on the opposite side of Champ last year. Bly could easily get 6. That would put him in the top 10 among CBs most seasons. More targets his way=more passes defended, more tackles, and more INTs. He'll do fine as a FA next year in that case. He just wants his $$ now. That's fine.

 
RAIDERNATION said:
He wants to play in Washington because they will give him a long-term deal and it's close to his home in Virginia. Uh huh. Do you really think those are the only reasons?

Denver would reportedly be willing to take care of him after this season with a long-term deal if he plays well. And there's your problem. He knows that no QBs will throw at Bailey, so Bly is going to see more balls than Paris Hilton's chin. His poor-technique and tendency to gamble on the island will be exposed on a weekly basis, and everyone will know he's a fraud.

Bly doesn't want you to know that <GASP> he's not as good as most people think he is.

What better way to run from a challenge than play for a bad Redskins team, out of the spotlight.

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Are you kidding? With as many balls as Bly will be seeing opposite Bailey, it's not out of the question for him to put up a 10-INT season... and if you intercept the ball 10 times, it doesn't matter HOW bad you look on the other passes, you're making some SERIOUS money in free agency. It's what I call the "Dwight Freeney" effect- if you make a dozen really great plays, nobody seems to care about how you looked on the hundreds of other plays.Besides, it's one thing to think that Bly will be exposed, and quite another to think that Bly will be exposed by the likes of Vincent Jackson, Sammie Parker, and Ronald Curry (the three guys who figure to be the #2 WRs for the AFC West teams this year, unless there's a free agency move I've missed).

Some game charters broke down the film of all of the games for the past couple of seasons, and they found that no team in the entire NFL matched up their #1 CB against the other team's #1 WR than Detroit did with Dre' Bly. NOBODY- not the Broncos, not the Ravens, not the Bucs, not anybody. No elite CB in the entire NFL saw more action one-on-one against the best WRs the league had to offer than Dre' Bly... and he acquitted himself very well (well enough to make the pro bowl twice). And now you're postulating that he doesn't want to come to Denver because he's afraid he'll get exposed by players half as talented as the Donald Drivers, Joe Horns, Randy Mosses (in his Minnesota days), Javon Walkers, Joey Galloways, and Steve Smiths that he's been covering (and not getting exposed by) for the past 4 years? Even if his skillset has declined in the last 2 years since he made the Pro Bowl, do you think they've declined from "able to cover Randy Moss in his prime 1-on-1 without getting embarassed" all the way down to "gets burned by Sammie Parker"?

Something's a little bit wonky with your theory. :angry:

jurb26 said:
Not sure i really get it. If Bly goes to Wash, he will then be the CB1 and have to face teams best WR. All of these holes in his game would be more easily pointed out by a WR1, no?
Bailey plays on a side of the field. DEN doesn't lineup to matchup. Whichever team plays denver will have their #1 lined up against Bly.
Correction... *LAST YEAR* Denver lined Bailey up on one side of the field (Defensive Left). The year before, they moved him around and primarily matched him up 1-on-1 against the opposing #1. Both are entirely irrelevant, since the Coordinator for both of those seasons was Larry Coyer, and the coordinator this year will be Jim Bates.
Bly was a cancer in Detroit from day 1.

The talent starved Lions were going to release him for nothing!! To get Tatum Bell and a starting tackle for Bly was highway robbery.
The Denver Broncos were going to release George Foster for nothing, and were going to let Tatum Bell play this season as the #2 RB before letting him walk away for nothing, too. Basically, the deal was a "trash-for-treasure" trade for both sides- they both gave up something they wouldn't have kept anyway in exchange for something else shiny and new to get excited about. It just so happened that the "shiny and new" thing that Detroit got was a part-time RB with a case of the fumbles and a mediocre RT, and the "shiny and new" thing that Denver got was a pro-bowler at the most expensive position in the entire league.
 
I think Foster has a good chance at getting his career back on track in the right scheme, but I agree... It was Denver doing the robbing :mellow:

 
I think Foster has a good chance at getting his career back on track in the right scheme, but I agree... It was Denver doing the robbing :mellow:
I also agree- Foster and Bell were both miscast in Denver. I think Foster will become an acceptable RT (not the kind of guy who is untouchable, but not the kind of guy who nervously watches his team's FA moves looking for his replacement, either). Also, despite the belief that I'm a Tatum Bell hater, I'd said several times that he's one of the few backs who would put up much better numbers outside of Denver, because most coaches have a much higher tolerance for Boom-or-Bust running than Shanahan does.With that said, while Bell and Foster might both become acceptable pros, I'm sure if any GM in the league was given the choice between a year of Bell/Foster and a year of Bly (all three players are in the final year of their contract), all other things being equal they'd be grabbing Bly.
 
Bly was a cancer in Detroit from day 1.The talent starved Lions were going to release him for nothing!! To get Tatum Bell and a starting tackle for Bly was highway robbery.
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The tendency to look for "a winner" and "a loser" in a trade is strong, but often both sides come away better off, which is what I think happened here. That shouldn't be a surprise given that "it takes two to tango" and neither side has to make any particular deal if there is no perceived benefit. The Lions got value for a guy they were going to release anyway? Bully for them! The Broncos filled a need with two guys who didn't fit well into their plans? Bully for them! What's the problem here?
 
I do think both teams look better off after this deal, but who cares really ? The Lions will find a way to suck, they always do.

 

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