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My Walls are Oozing (1 Viewer)

Easy to say because it’s not me, but it might be time to cut a small hole in the wall. Maybe drill a hole and wait a while to see if anything comes out and then make a bigger hole if nothing comes out. 

ETA: would be nice to take bees off the table. 

 
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If the ooze comes back again, I will burrow into the wall. And take pictures. 

Don't want to mess up the walls right now when there may not actually be a problem.

 
culdeus said:
You serious Clark?
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Most definitely.

A latex paint can leach surfactants that are similar to what was described here.

An oil based paints can excrete oils that are similar, in certain circumstances.

A milk based paint (old) can have its casein react.

And, if it is a substrate, a test with various solvents can determine if it is structural residue.

Lots of crap can be lernt.

 
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Man of Constant Sorrow said:
Most definitely.

A latex paint can leach surfactants that are similar to what was described here.

An oil based paints can excrete oils that are similar, in certain circumstances.

A milk based paint (old) can have its casein react.

And, if it is a substrate, a test with various solvents can determine if it is structural residue.

Lots of crap can be lernt.
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What about honey based paint?

 
Dickies said:
What about honey based paint?
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Honey makes a good binder in watercolors.

The sugar content helps - keeps things together; so to speak.

It goes well with milk paint for breakfast. Casein is a good protein source and the honey will cover the carbs.

I recommend sniffing toluene for dessert.

 
My old man was a hobbyist beekeeper.  Growing up, we always had bee hives on our property and collected honey for personal use and bartered with neighbors.  When I was a boy, I went along with him and other workers on several bee colony removal ops from all kinds of places where bees congregate.

If you truly have a bee infestation in your home, you’re screwed.  The colony could be massive taking up an entire exterior wall of your house.  And yes, honey and water collected in the honeycomb can ooze from interior walls.

Try to identify the point of entry on your home’s exterior where you suspect the bees are entering and leaving the walls.  You should be able to see this clearly during a sunny day.

Bees will only leave an area if it becomes unsustainable to maintain the population.  If you want to save the colony you”ll need to open the walls, remove all the honeycomb and setup artificial hives nearby so they setup shop in the hives (assuming you can move or replace the queen), then move the hives off your property.

Otherwise, the only option after removing the honeycomb in the walls, is extermination.  You would also need to patch up exterior openings in the home so your house doesn’t invite a bee colony in the future.  

G/L.

 
Freaky Styley said:
My old man was a hobbyist beekeeper.  Growing up, we always had bee hives on our property and collected honey for personal use and bartered with neighbors.  When I was a boy, I went along with him and other workers on several bee colony removal ops from all kinds of places where bees congregate.

If you truly have a bee infestation in your home, you’re screwed.  The colony could be massive taking up an entire exterior wall of your house.  And yes, honey and water collected in the honeycomb can ooze from interior walls.

Try to identify the point of entry on your home’s exterior where you suspect the bees are entering and leaving the walls.  You should be able to see this clearly during a sunny day.

Bees will only leave an area if it becomes unsustainable to maintain the population.  If you want to save the colony you”ll need to open the walls, remove all the honeycomb and setup artificial hives nearby so they setup shop in the hives (assuming you can move or replace the queen), then move the hives off your property.

Otherwise, the only option after removing the honeycomb in the walls, is extermination.  You would also need to patch up exterior openings in the home so your house doesn’t invite a bee colony in the future.  

G/L.
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Good stuff.

I couldn't sleep (my ears were buzz'n) - so, I checked in.

I have a question. I'm an avid outdoorsman, and for the most part, I just ignore bees and wasps that are native to my area. (KY) If I don't bother them, they don't bother me. Now, irt drilling and wall removal, while I don't fear "stinging things" in the wild, I have never interfered with their home. Thus, my main concern about drilling/etc is that it could agitate the hive and lead to more aggressive behavior. I have seen bee-keepers work with a smoke of sort to pacify them. Would this kind of thing be necessary before tampering with the area? Or, is increased aggression not very significant?

Really curious. Thnx.

 
Similar thing happened to me years back when I refinished my basement. Dude that did it didn't attach the exhaust fan for the dryer properly so that moisture was coming back into the house and the bathroom looked like it was crying every time we did laundry. 

 
Why are you so scared to cut an exploratory hole?

get a hole saw. I would do 3 inches. It will also show you the “profile” / layers of the wall and you can get an idea of what it might be besides bees (hint - it’s not bees). 

 
shuke said:
Jesus dude just cut a small hole and look.  First sign of anything just cover it up.  
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wilked said:
Why are you so scared to cut an exploratory hole?

get a hole saw. I would do 3 inches. It will also show you the “profile” / layers of the wall and you can get an idea of what it might be besides bees (hint - it’s not bees). 
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HAVEN'T YOU GUYS EVER SEEN MY GIRL!

 
Man of Constant Sorrow said:
Most definitely.

A latex paint can leach surfactants that are similar to what was described here.

An oil based paints can excrete oils that are similar, in certain circumstances.

A milk based paint (old) can have its casein react.

And, if it is a substrate, a test with various solvents can determine if it is structural residue.

Lots of crap can be lernt.
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Well my question was more like if I take a cup of jizz to the home Depot they can tell me if it's paint?

 
TheMagus said:
OK so here's a real update. I called a local bee guy who had 24x7 service on their website on Saturday and explained the situation and his response was that it sounded like it was probably honey bees (I was on the phone with him for about a half an hour) and they didn't do that, but he would get me in contact with his honey bee guy and then he conferenced me into a call with another company who took down all my info. That company was apparently Terminix and put in a service call for routine exterior pest control and apparently signed me up for some kind of recurring contract. So the guy who showed up today thought he was spraying around the outside of my house and he didn't really seem like an authority on bees. 

So after talking to him and showing him some of the areas that still had stains on the walls, he said he doesn't think it's bees for the following reasons:

  • He said if we had hives that were producing that much honey to leak through multiple walls in that many places, there would be 10s of 1000s of bees in the wall and it would sound like a freight train in my living room
  • He doesn't think it is likely that they would have spread to two different walls on opposite sides of the room
  • He says we would have noticed "activity" all summer around the outside of the house
But then he said he was going to call an expert and called his buddy and had him on speaker phone who apparently is a bee guy and that guy said it sounded like it was bees. He also said it may be wasps because even though they don't make honey, they have a "mess."

The guy said to just wait and see if it happens again and if so don't clean up the mystery substance and call him. He also suggested cutting a hole in the wall. 😲

So I don't even know if we just leave it and assume it was some weird condensation/leeching and move on or get a real bee person here with appropriate investigative equipment. 

New update as I am typing: I mentioned this earlier in the story, while I was investigating the ooze, there was a "bee" flying around my living room that I thought came out of the curtains which is what set us down the bee path in the first place. Well when I was telling my wife what the guy said,  she said that the bee that was in the house was actually a wasp (she opened the door and it flew outside). And my response was - well that was in the curtains and could have just been a coincidence. She then told me that she actually saw it crawl out of the recessed lighting in the ceiling before it went into the curtains. 😪

So this guy today had me convinced that it was just a weird freak ooze and there was nothing to worry about and I'm doing a 180 again. I have to get a real bee guy out here. 
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Well we had a nest of yellow jackets that was in our ceiling, there was a uncaulked hole between the brick and the soffit on the exterior of the house and that's how that got in. Maybe a few hundred of them. We had them in the house and could easily hear them when you walked over to where the nest was. Saw a TON of activity in and out by that part of the house outside.

I doubt you have any type of bees if you can't hear them or see a lot of them outside your house.

 
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when i find myself in a time of trouble like this i always say to myself brohan what would the really fat guy from ice road truckers do so in your situation the thing to do is load er up and hit the damn road cause you aint makin no money if you aint driving across a crackling sheet of lake ice take that to the bank bromigo

 
Dan Lambskin said:
Also possible new theory is Candyman is living in your walls
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Well that one is easy to disprove.  @TheMagus do you live in the projects in Chicago?

If it is wasps, they eat the gypsum from the backside of the drywall leaving you with just the paper facing.  I had a nest in my garage wall over the summer.  Was moving some stuff around and when I bumped into the wall heard it buzzing.  Tapped around and found a 12"x12" area where the wall was not solid, just the paper facing.  Screwed a piece of plywood over the area to make sure they stayed in the wall. Looked outside and found the hole they were using as their door.  Sat there for a few days with a can of wasp spray and kept soaking the opening.   Then I used a 2 gallon sprayer full of dish soap and water (the soap breaks down their surface "wax" and they soak up all the water basically drowning).  If you sproy one while they are flying they will fall to the ground and die within seconds.   Once I killed what I could from the outside I went inside.  Bought a can of wasp killer with the straw attachment, drilled a hole just bigger than the straw, stuck the straw in the wall and emptied the can.  When I pulled hte sraw out I put a piece of duct tape over the hole.  Mover over 12" and did the same thing.  When I did the first spray you could hear the wall get louder as they were pissed and trying to save the queen.  When I was drilling my holes, the drill bit would come out covered in a sticky residue where I actually drilled into the hive.

So, if your "hive" is behind a picture, drill a small hole, stick the wasp killer straw in and see what happens.  If nothing happens you only have a small hole to patch.  If the wall gets loud, your bee guy will be making a much larger hole so who cares.

 
UOFI_316 said:
Well that one is easy to disprove.  @TheMagus do you live in the projects in Chicago?

If it is wasps, they eat the gypsum from the backside of the drywall leaving you with just the paper facing.  I had a nest in my garage wall over the summer.  Was moving some stuff around and when I bumped into the wall heard it buzzing.  Tapped around and found a 12"x12" area where the wall was not solid, just the paper facing.  Screwed a piece of plywood over the area to make sure they stayed in the wall. Looked outside and found the hole they were using as their door.  Sat there for a few days with a can of wasp spray and kept soaking the opening.   Then I used a 2 gallon sprayer full of dish soap and water (the soap breaks down their surface "wax" and they soak up all the water basically drowning).  If you sproy one while they are flying they will fall to the ground and die within seconds.   Once I killed what I could from the outside I went inside.  Bought a can of wasp killer with the straw attachment, drilled a hole just bigger than the straw, stuck the straw in the wall and emptied the can.  When I pulled hte sraw out I put a piece of duct tape over the hole.  Mover over 12" and did the same thing.  When I did the first spray you could hear the wall get louder as they were pissed and trying to save the queen.  When I was drilling my holes, the drill bit would come out covered in a sticky residue where I actually drilled into the hive.

So, if your "hive" is behind a picture, drill a small hole, stick the wasp killer straw in and see what happens.  If nothing happens you only have a small hole to patch.  If the wall gets loud, your bee guy will be making a much larger hole so who cares.
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This is how it's done boys. 

 
culdeus said:
Well my question was more like if I take a cup of jizz to the home Depot they can tell me if it's paint?
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Thank you for the clarification.

I just ran an experiment, in order to provide an accurate answer.

Home Depot can ID semen. Both as a 100% pure sample and in a mixture with various other paints (that part was fun).

I'll do anything for science and the FFA. 👍

Unfortunately, I am now required to get all of my building materials from Lowe's.  :(

 
arrow1 said:
and a hole drilled in the wall
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I'm no bee expert, but wouldn't the bees come flooding out if he did this?  Or are we thinking of a smaller hole that a bee couldn't fit through?  Are bees like cats, though, and able to squeeze through super-tight spaces?  

:popcorn:

 
nirad3 said:
I'm no bee expert, but wouldn't the bees come flooding out if he did this?  Or are we thinking of a smaller hole that a bee couldn't fit through?  Are bees like cats, though, and able to squeeze through super-tight spaces?  

:popcorn:
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3" hole and if bees come flooding out, stuff a sock in it.

 
Get an IR camera, smack the wall a bunch of times, and then check the wall with the IR camera. Bees will start buzzing and vibrating when they get upset and actually heat the air up around them. So you should be able to see the difference in temperature.

 
GroveDiesel said:
Get an IR camera, smack the wall a bunch of times, and then check the wall with the IR camera. Bees will start buzzing and vibrating when they get upset and actually heat the air up around them. So you should be able to see the difference in temperature.
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This guy won't open a 3 inch hole in his wall, what makes you think he's going to be able to find an IR camera?

 
UOFI_316 said:
Well that one is easy to disprove.  @TheMagus do you live in the projects in Chicago?

If it is wasps, they eat the gypsum from the backside of the drywall leaving you with just the paper facing.  I had a nest in my garage wall over the summer.  Was moving some stuff around and when I bumped into the wall heard it buzzing.  Tapped around and found a 12"x12" area where the wall was not solid, just the paper facing.  Screwed a piece of plywood over the area to make sure they stayed in the wall. Looked outside and found the hole they were using as their door.  Sat there for a few days with a can of wasp spray and kept soaking the opening.   Then I used a 2 gallon sprayer full of dish soap and water (the soap breaks down their surface "wax" and they soak up all the water basically drowning).  If you sproy one while they are flying they will fall to the ground and die within seconds.   Once I killed what I could from the outside I went inside.  Bought a can of wasp killer with the straw attachment, drilled a hole just bigger than the straw, stuck the straw in the wall and emptied the can.  When I pulled hte sraw out I put a piece of duct tape over the hole.  Mover over 12" and did the same thing.  When I did the first spray you could hear the wall get louder as they were pissed and trying to save the queen.  When I was drilling my holes, the drill bit would come out covered in a sticky residue where I actually drilled into the hive.

So, if your "hive" is behind a picture, drill a small hole, stick the wasp killer straw in and see what happens.  If nothing happens you only have a small hole to patch.  If the wall gets loud, your bee guy will be making a much larger hole so who cares.
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But then he doesn't get to keep any of the delicious honey - the only upside to this whole unfortunate situation. :(

 
culdeus said:
This guy won't open a 3 inch hole in his wall, what makes you think he's going to be able to find an IR camera?
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Exactly. 
 

he’s saving money on the drywall patch / paint by hiring Terminix for their deluxe bee package 

 
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