Just googled the same thing. Also purely for informational purposes.quick google search in case anyone was wondering:
NFL helmet: 6 pounds
Bowling ball (adult male): 14-16 pounds
disclaimer: informational purposes only, not implying anything by this post. just saw a few guys mention bowling balls and was curious what the actual weights are.
This is a real shame for Browns fans. Instead of celebrating a turn-the-corner win against a hated divisional opponent, all eyes are on Garrett's actions.It is unfortunate for a Browns fan, because, although it was not a great game by the Browns, they had defeated their arch rival soundly. They had made their “statement” and one will hear it because of Garrett! Interesting to see how they fare after this.
Garrett is the "New Suh" This incident is way worse than anything Suh has done. Garrett is a late hitting cheap shot artist. Could have fractured Rudolph's skull.You can't have some 270 lb. guy swinging what is essentially a weapon at the head of an unhelmeted person. Should be criminal charges from this.
Cops were in the Browns locker room last night. Anything they might reasonably be waiting on?I’ll be shocked if charges aren’t brought tomorrow.yeah, that's only on TV. prosecutors decide whether to bring charges.
Running security for both teams like they do every home game? If they were there to arrest him, it would've been reported already. I think some are reaching a little too far, or reading a little too much into this piece.Cops were in the Browns locker room last night. Anything they might reasonably be waiting on?
Yeah, this kind of got lost in this. It’s a shame because the Browns have so much talent and seem to be putting it together somewhat, and now this feels like the wheels coming off right when the ship started to right itself.This is a real shame for Browns fans. Instead of celebrating a turn-the-corner win against a hated divisional opponent, all eyes are on Garrett's actions.
Prosecutor’s discretion. They have to determine whether a crime was committed and whether they are willing to prosecute. Part of that is politics. What kind of backlash would they face if they charge him? What if they don’t?Cops were in the Browns locker room last night. Anything they might reasonably be waiting on?
I think it can be spun into a positive, especially given how Baker handled the situation in real time. We'll see if it strengthens the bond or that was the beginning of the end, but I can see how the former could be the path. A major leadership opportunity awaits.Yeah, this kind of got lost in this. It’s a shame because the Browns have so much talent and seem to be putting it together somewhat, and now this feels like the wheels coming off right when the ship started to right itself.
Mason Rudolph's representation could consider legal action against Myles Garrett following Thursday night's on-field incident.
"There are many risks an NFL QB assumes with every snap taken on the field," Rudolph's agent, Tim Younger, tweeted in the aftermath of Garrett's attack. "Being hit on your uncovered head by a helmet being swung by a 275 lb DE is not one of them." He added that the matter will be reviewed "thoroughly." Rudolph miraculously wasn't hurt in the incident, but Garrett will still be subject to a lengthy suspension and perhaps even assault charges. In using his helmet as a weapon, Garrett showed not only an egregious lapse in judgment but also little regard for another player's safety. Thursday's chaotic ending in Cleveland was an embarrassment for all involved.
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Nov 15, 2019, 9:56 AM ET
Absolutely no one is defending Garrett. Coming at it from a slightly different angle doesn't equate to defending that pos Garrett. Why do people keep jumping to that conclusion?Some in this thread have lost their damn minds. Blaming Rudolph and/or the Steelers for throwing at the end of the game. Keep defending the criminal garrett, good lord some people. No clue.
The disconnect between him and Beckham is unfortunately not getting better, but I thought he played fairly well last night. That may be the best defense in the league. The only reason the Steelers are 5-5 and not worse is because of them. So, game plan - don't let the defense beat you. They will stop you, but don't let them take the ball from you. If the play's not there then bail. Make the offense beat you. Because they can't.It definitely takes the luster away from a big win. But turning a corner kind of win? Mayfield looked pretty horrible (again) to me. If not for Pittsburgh being terrible on offense the Browns lose handily.
Precautionary or paranoid, GB?I also think the league should announce that no one will be admitted to the Steeler /Brown game in two weeks wearing any browns merchandize or logos or carrying any signs in any manner supporting Miles Garret. I would also suspend all licensed merchandize sales of Miles garret jerseys. I would triple security for that game.
Both. But this matter would be put to rest. Period.Precautionary or paranoid, GB?
I love how anyone placing a small fraction of the blame on Rudolph is assumed to be defending Garrett.Yeah, wearing what he was wearing he was definitely asking for it.
Your last two posts are showing us you are trying to hard. Garrett did wrong. He is going to be punished severely. The season for the Browns is now tainted no matter what they do. You can move on.I also think the league should announce that no one will be admitted to the Steeler /Brown game in two weeks wearing any browns merchandize or logos or carrying any signs in any manner supporting Miles Garret. I would also suspend all licensed merchandize sales of Miles garret jerseys. I would triple security for that game.
Actual quote? Link? If so, that should be taken into consideration with his suspension."that MAGA cracker tried to pull my helmet off first!!" - Myles Garrett in the locker room after the game.
Sounds like he was triggered before the game even started. He needs a mental evaluation and special counseling, as well as, a permanent ban.
Perhaps. Or perhaps the Commissioner should recognize that fans passions can run deep and can run away with them and can and should do all in his power to prevent this from growing or festering. I imagine that in a crowd of 70,000, a crowd of impassioned fans, many of whom who will be drinking that things could go bad, that it is foreseeable, and that the league has obligations to do what it can to prevent the foreseeable. I imagine the leagues lawyers would agree, if they were given a voice. Others, good and reasonable folks such as yourself can reasonably disagree and you may well be right. I hope you are right.Your last two posts are showing us you are trying to hard. Garrett did wrong. He is going to be punished severely. The season for the Browns is now tainted no matter what they do. You can move on.
They may have video of it, and it doesn’t matter at all.Actual quote? Link? If so, that should be taken into consideration with his suspension.
Let's assume you are correct in that he needs counseling, meaning there are legitimate issues regarding his mental stability... why a permanent ban, if he undergoes corrective action / treatment? Now, if you feel he doesn't need an evaluation and is just a flat out bad person who can't control themselves, that could be a consideration. But if there is an issue that needs correction, shouldn't that be the focus and to re-evaluate at that time (which, btw, is what I believe will occur. Indefinite suspension, get counseling, show remorse, do community service - then come and show the NFL what you've done, and grovel to come back on your best behavior."that MAGA cracker tried to pull my helmet off first!!" - Myles Garrett in the locker room after the game.
Sounds like he was triggered before the game even started. He needs a mental evaluation and special counseling, as well as, a permanent ban.
I remember the McSorley-Brashear slashing, but didn't remember that it took that long for charges to come down.Prosecutor’s discretion. They have to determine whether a crime was committed and whether they are willing to prosecute. Part of that is politics. What kind of backlash would they face if they charge him? What if they don’t?
When Marty McSorley was charged with assault, it was two weeks after the game where the incident occurred.
Where's that quote from? That's too big a bomb to drop linklessly."that MAGA cracker tried to pull my helmet off first!!" - Myles Garrett in the locker room after the game.
Sounds like he was triggered before the game even started. He needs a mental evaluation and special counseling, as well as, a permanent ban.
So you think the actions Pouncy took were simply defending the QB and while Garrett was being held down by another Pitt OL were acceptable? How is that reasonable? Or even defensible? How is it defending the QB when he was 15' away and charged back into the mele only to put himself at risk again from his initial instigation? Just to ignore everything except the helmet swing?I don’t think any of the Steelers involved in the melee should be suspended. They were protecting their QB, as they should.
I do think the Steelers history of cheap shots on the Browns (James Harrison) and Tomlin’s smug attitude about the Browns through the years played a part of this. The “up and coming” Browns were ready to make a statement to a team that has literally dominated them for decades. I am certain the coaches of the Browns probably used this as a motivation. It certainly backfired!
I don't think this happened. Looks like it was a bad Twitter joke."that MAGA cracker tried to pull my helmet off first!!" - Myles Garrett in the locker room after the game.
Sounds like he was triggered before the game even started. He needs a mental evaluation and special counseling, as well as, a permanent ban.
I thought Mayfield played pretty well last night. He was masterful at avoiding sacks and turnovers, against a defense that specializes in both. Mayfield scrambled his way out of 6-7 sacks last night, that would have gotten to many QB's.The disconnect between him and Beckham is unfortunately not getting better, but I thought he played fairly well last night. That may be the best defense in the league. The only reason the Steelers are 5-5 and not worse is because of them. So, game plan - don't let the defense beat you. They will stop you, but don't let them take the ball from you. If the play's not there then bail. Make the offense beat you. Because they can't.
You don’t think that Barry is a trusted source?I don't think this happened. Looks like it was a bad Twitter joke.
All the blame to Garrett here.I love how anyone placing a small fraction of the blame on Rudolph is assumed to be defending Garrett.
It seems really unlikely that the league would ban a visiting team's fans from supporting their team. Even if the teams weren't just 2 hours awayPerhaps. Or perhaps the Commissioner should recognize that fans passions can run deep and can run away with them and can and should do all in his power to prevent this from growing or festering. I imagine that in a crowd of 70,000, a crowd of impassioned fans, many of whom who will be drinking that things could go bad, that it is foreseeable, and that the league has obligations to do what it can to prevent the foreseeable. I imagine the leagues lawyers would agree, if they were given a voice. Others, good and reasonable folks such as yourself can reasonably disagree and you may well be right. I hope you are right.
Pretty sure that would invoke an emotional reaction from any male on the other end of that cleat.
Naive answer - it's not up to the NFLThere isnt going to be a prosecution, who's interest would that serve? NFL wants to adjudicate this and make it go away as quickly as possible. If somebody was hurt, sure, but the last the NFL wants is law enforcement to become part of the game.
A civil suit would have to prove some sort of damages. Nothing here would justify that.Naive answer - it's not up to the NFL
In reality they will influence the prosecutor.
I'd bet on a civil suit well before criminal charges
I give the offensive lineman a pass because they saw their QB helmet get ripped off. They are pushing Garrett away at that point. If Rudolph would have not charged Garrett at that point, I don’t think the lineman would have thrown Garrett to the ground and kicked him. When he did and Garrett slammed him with the helmet, yeah I think they had every right to go after Garrett. By the way punching and kicking him in the helmet did nothing. If they are suspended, i am fine with it. It won’t bother me if they are not suspended.So you think the actions Pouncy took were simply defending the QB and while Garrett was being held down by another Pitt OL were acceptable? How is that reasonable? Or even defensible? How is it defending the QB when he was 15' away and charged back into the mele only to put himself at risk again from his initial instigation? Just to ignore everything except the helmet swing?
And you think the "historical animosity" between the teams was the driving factor while there was 8 seconds left in the game and it was all but over?
I have to say I disagree that any Steelers are innocent in their actions. They are all accountavle in their involvement but so many biased eyes don't see things clearly.
I believe the frustrations of the night exploded from Pouncy due to Pitt OL's poor performance vs Garrett when he had his melt down.
Garret was picking him up by his face mask at that point. I'd kick him in the berries as well.But it's 100% Garrett's fault....
To be honest I completely missed #65 going after Rudolph from behind. You are absolutely correct that was complete BSHey GB, I agree with you. My point was there are fights similar in camps and occasionally practice. If Garrett had just ripped the helmet off and not hit him, this would be not quite the same. I don't blame Rudolph one bit for wanting to go after Garrett and ask him what his F-Bomb problem is...just an unfortunate series of events that took away from Cleveland possibly righting the ship.
I have bad feelings for the Pouncey Bros because Mike played for Miami many years and I was never a fan although he was a good Center or good at his job. I understand why Pouncey wanted to take Garrett out, I really do. But the series of punches and then DeCastro has him pinned on the ground, no reason to kick him in the head and more punching and I'm just sayng he should be suspended almost as many games. DeCastro never threw a punch and other Pitt OL guys were trying to cool the situation down.
And that #65-Total Cheap Shot, Bush League, I might hate the cowardly push to the ground from behind on a defenseless QB who just had his helmet ripped off....they can't do enough to him IMO. Rudolph ran at Garrett and saw that he was going to strike him with the helmet, he never saw the guy coming up behind him.
BTW...was that Clete ref'n this game? Hmmmmm, felt he coulda put himself a little more in the middle and if he(The Ref) got hit, that would hav been the end of the players' careers and I felt he kept staying away and finally another referee ran in from the side. I needed to see a Van Gundy(B-Ball) wrap around the leg of one of these players by Clete, that's what needed to happen at some point.
Exactly, in theory youre right. In practice, prosecutor isnt going to go forward without cooperation and in the face of NFL pressure to knock it off. And Garrett isnt going to sue, again NFL and Steelers wont let that happen, its a distraction.Naive answer - it's not up to the NFL
In reality they will influence the prosecutor.
I'd bet on a civil suit well before criminal charges
I agree with you but the Steelers-Browns have a long history of cheap shots on one another going back to 1960s.Lifetime Browns fan here (49 years old) that has always despised the Steelers.
I believe Garret should be suspended indefinitely with the intent to see how he responds with off season treatment/classes Etc. He knows he screwed up and I appreciate he didn’t try to excuse it (at least I haven’t heard that he has). I hope they do not appeal the decision unless the league is talking lifetime banishment which I think would be an over reaction.
I don’t think any of the Steelers involved in the melee should be suspended. They were protecting their QB, as they should.
I do think the Steelers history of cheap shots on the Browns (James Harrison) and Tomlin’s smug attitude about the Browns through the years played a part of this. The “up and coming” Browns were ready to make a statement to a team that has literally dominated them for decades. I am certain the coaches of the Browns probably used this as a motivation. It certainly backfired!
I had high hopes for Freddy Kitchens but I think he has created a monster with this team that he personally will never be able to gain control of. His opening press conference of “if you ain’t orange and Brown you don’t matter” and “we are going to be the toughest team” has been a detriment to this team.
I also would test Garret for steroids....”ROID RAGE!”
It is unfortunate for a Browns fan, because, although it was not a great game by the Browns, they had defeated their arch rival soundly. They had made their “statement” and no one will hear it because of Garrett! Interesting to see how they fare after this.