NAACP leader outed as white & doing Soul Man routine (1 Viewer)

[3C's]

Sure, she used deception. But look at the reaction to her wanting to be black... it is one of ridicule and rejection.

What other choice did she have? Hopefully one day we can have a society that accepts who she is.

I think society is very accepting of her as a white woman - it's her that's not accepting that.

I'm not, she looks better as a "black" woman.

 

[matttyl]

This story is creating a black eye for the NAACP and casting a shadow over their organization.

You have a dark sense of humor.

 

[Sweet J]

I'm truly fascinated by the reactions that people have to her. Most fascinating is the reactions by conservatives. They seem so . . . angry.

You must have Rachel's tendency to fabricate stories about the group you don't like because I've only seen Conservatives poking fun at this hilarious story.

LOL. Right. The conservatives are having a field day with this. It's vindicating all their fears.

 

[fantasycurse42]

This story

 

[TheIronSheik]

The more I read about this, the more black and white this issue becomes.

 

[Sinn Fein]

The more I read about this, the more black and white this issue becomes.

Don't you mean blue and gold?

 

[General Tso]

I'm truly fascinated by the reactions that people have to her. Most fascinating is the reactions by conservatives. They seem so . . . angry.

As usual SweetJ you've got it completely wrong. Conservatives are by and large laughing at this, with a little bit of concern mixed in (deservedly so) for the fake hate crimes she appears to have set up. I watched a lot of TV this weekend (son was with me studying for finals) and the only ones I saw upset were black Liberals, most notably the clown on CNN who said it was the ultimate display of white privilege.

 

[squistion]

Christopher Hayes ‏@chrislhayes ·

The president of the @NAACP will join me tonight to discuss Rachel Dolezal's resignation.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Those of you with hats, you may want to grab a hold of `em.

Chutzpah, meet Ms. Dolezal:

NAACP Imposter Sued School Over Race Claims

Rachel Dolezal alleged she was victim of white discriminationThe NAACP official who today resigned in the face of evidence that she masqueraded as black once sued Howard University for denying her teaching posts and a scholarship because she was a white woman, The Smoking Gun has learned. ...

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/bizarre/rachel-dolezal-discrimination-lawsuit-786451

 

[Stinger Ray]

Those of you with hats, you may want to grab a hold of `em.

Chutzpah, meet Ms. Dolezal:

NAACP Imposter Sued School Over Race Claims

Rachel Dolezal alleged she was victim of white discrimination

The NAACP official who today resigned in the face of evidence that she masqueraded as black once sued Howard University for denying her teaching posts and a scholarship because she was a white woman, The Smoking Gun has learned. ...

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/bizarre/rachel-dolezal-discrimination-lawsuit-786451

at anyone defending her. She is insane.

 

[Stinger Ray]

I'm truly fascinated by the reactions that people have to her. Most fascinating is the reactions by conservatives. They seem so . . . angry.

You must have Rachel's tendency to fabricate stories about the group you don't like because I've only seen Conservatives poking fun at this hilarious story.

LOL. Right. The conservatives are having a field day with this. It's vindicating all their fears.

Fears? It's comical watching the reaction from those on the left defending her.

 

[TheIronSheik]

I'm truly fascinated by the reactions that people have to her. Most fascinating is the reactions by conservatives. They seem so . . . angry.

You must have Rachel's tendency to fabricate stories about the group you don't like because I've only seen Conservatives poking fun at this hilarious story.

LOL. Right. The conservatives are having a field day with this. It's vindicating all their fears.

Fears? It's comical watching the reaction from those on the left defending her.

Fear of a Black Planet

 

[General Tso]

Those of you with hats, you may want to grab a hold of `em.

Chutzpah, meet Ms. Dolezal:

NAACP Imposter Sued School Over Race Claims

Rachel Dolezal alleged she was victim of white discrimination

The NAACP official who today resigned in the face of evidence that she masqueraded as black once sued Howard University for denying her teaching posts and a scholarship because she was a white woman, The Smoking Gun has learned. ...

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/bizarre/rachel-dolezal-discrimination-lawsuit-786451

She's ####### nuts. Plain and simple. Did you see the interview when the reporter confronts her and asks if she is African American or not? Look at her face when when she pauses. Look at her eyes. If it's one thing I know it's crazy women. I seem to attract them like flies to ####. And that woman is crazy, and not in a good way.

 

[SacramentoBob]

I'm truly fascinated by the reactions that people have to her. Most fascinating is the reactions by conservatives. They seem so . . . angry.

You must have Rachel's tendency to fabricate stories about the group you don't like because I've only seen Conservatives poking fun at this hilarious story.

LOL. Right. The conservatives are having a field day with this. It's vindicating all their fears.

Conservatives fear white people pretending to be black so they can get a job at the NAACP?

 

[Leviathan]

I'm truly fascinated by the reactions that people have to her. Most fascinating is the reactions by conservatives. They seem so . . . angry.

You must have Rachel's tendency to fabricate stories about the group you don't like because I've only seen Conservatives poking fun at this hilarious story.

LOL. Right. The conservatives are having a field day with this. It's vindicating all their fears.

Fears? It's comical watching the reaction from those on the left defending her.

Fear of a Black Planet

Great album! Alex Lifeson throws down a wicked solo on one of the tracks.

 

[squistion]

I'm truly fascinated by the reactions that people have to her. Most fascinating is the reactions by conservatives. They seem so . . . angry.

You must have Rachel's tendency to fabricate stories about the group you don't like because I've only seen Conservatives poking fun at this hilarious story.

LOL. Right. The conservatives are having a field day with this. It's vindicating all their fears.

Fears? It's comical watching the reaction from those on the left defending her.

The left is not defending her. What is there to defend?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Those of you with hats, you may want to grab a hold of `em.

Chutzpah, meet Ms. Dolezal:

NAACP Imposter Sued School Over Race Claims

Rachel Dolezal alleged she was victim of white discrimination

The NAACP official who today resigned in the face of evidence that she masqueraded as black once sued Howard University for denying her teaching posts and a scholarship because she was a white woman, The Smoking Gun has learned. ...

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/bizarre/rachel-dolezal-discrimination-lawsuit-786451

She's ####### nuts. Plain and simple. Did you see the interview when the reporter confronts her and asks if she is African American or not? Look at her face when when she pauses. Look at her eyes. If it's one thing I know it's crazy women. I seem to attract them like flies to ####. And that woman is crazy, and not in a good way.

Ha, yeah... I finally saw that last night, it reminded me of one of those Monty Python skits where the character just runs out of the shot after being caught at completely fabricating something. Comic absurdity at its highest level, she almost looks like Terry Gilliam in a weird way, but it's so insanely horrible that this is a real thing and people have been wrenching their minds to incorporate her existence into some defensible framework.

 

[Stinger Ray]

I'm truly fascinated by the reactions that people have to her. Most fascinating is the reactions by conservatives. They seem so . . . angry.

You must have Rachel's tendency to fabricate stories about the group you don't like because I've only seen Conservatives poking fun at this hilarious story.

LOL. Right. The conservatives are having a field day with this. It's vindicating all their fears.

Fears? It's comical watching the reaction from those on the left defending her.

The left is not defending her. What is there to defend?

There is nothing to defend yet some of the left are attacking conservatives over this.

 

[squistion]

I'm truly fascinated by the reactions that people have to her. Most fascinating is the reactions by conservatives. They seem so . . . angry.

You must have Rachel's tendency to fabricate stories about the group you don't like because I've only seen Conservatives poking fun at this hilarious story.

LOL. Right. The conservatives are having a field day with this. It's vindicating all their fears.

Fears? It's comical watching the reaction from those on the left defending her.

The left is not defending her. What is there to defend?

There is nothing to defend yet some of the left are attacking conservatives over this.

That is not the same thing as defending her or her behavior.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I'm going to take one flying jump shot at a serious comment in an absurd situation here. Actually I will phrase it as a question:

- what does this say about the concept of standing, that one must be black to represent black interests, Hispanic to represent Hispanic, Asian to ... etc.? This isn't just a "race" issue, it occurs elsewhere. - On the last point there was just the incident where the very sweet Emma Stone and Cameron Crowe got castigated for daring having her portray a part-Asian woman in the "Aloha" movie. In another situation I saw a commentator on msnbc actually say that Pres. Obama wasn't qualified to speak on the situation in Baltimore because he was only half-black. I saw another interview on Msnbc where a panelist confronted an author on his book on street slang because she thought he wasn't black (he was).

But most especially there is the issue of Congress and legislative representation - Dolezal was apparently representing the Naacp just fine as far as they were concerned even though she was white. Doesn't this whole thing blow the concept of racial-representation and the common political meaning of "diversity" away? Obviously one does not have to be black to represent "black" interests.

There, I've thrown a safety line out to this whole issue, I will see if anyone grabs hold.

 

[Stinger Ray]

I'm truly fascinated by the reactions that people have to her. Most fascinating is the reactions by conservatives. They seem so . . . angry.

You must have Rachel's tendency to fabricate stories about the group you don't like because I've only seen Conservatives poking fun at this hilarious story.

LOL. Right. The conservatives are having a field day with this. It's vindicating all their fears.

Fears? It's comical watching the reaction from those on the left defending her.

The left is not defending her. What is there to defend?

There is nothing to defend yet some of the left are attacking conservatives over this.

That is not the same thing as defending her or her behavior.

There is a post in this thread, #227, that actually stated "bigots" won again regarding her resignation. Do you defend that?

 

[dhockster]

I thought Kramer looked more African American than Rachel did when he fell asleep in the tanning bed.

 

[squistion]

Fears? It's comical watching the reaction from those on the left defending her.

The left is not defending her. What is there to defend?

There is nothing to defend yet some of the left are attacking conservatives over this.

That is not the same thing as defending her or her behavior.

There is a post in this thread, #227, that actually stated "bigots" won again regarding her resignation. Do you defend that?

Actually I thought the poster was being sarcastic. But, no, I wouldn't defend that, I don't see her resignation as a response to bigotry or really having anything to do with bigotry.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

What if she self-identifies as a black woman?

Then she is. Who are you to say if she is white or black? You can't judge.

Here's guessing the NAACP has no definition of who is appropriately "black" enough to head a chapter or be a member.

What's more they define themselves as representing "colored people" so it sounds like all one has to do to be a member or lead a chapter is have skin that in some way has "color."

My link

White Guy Runs Maine Chapter of NAACP From prison, that is— he says being a felon makes you a minorityThe president of the NAACP doesn’t often go to Maine, the whitest state in the country. But recently Todd Jealous took the Washington Post to a state prison there, to meet his new favorite chapter—one comprised almost entirely of white convicts. It’s run by Billy Flynn, who’s doing 28-to-life for a once-famous murder. “There’s some confusion when people see an Irish guy as president of the NAACP,” he says. “I’ve had my share of comments.” Flynn was surprised to learn that few white men lead NAACP chapters; he points out that the organization was founded by whites and blacks together. His chapter is concerned mostly with prisoner rights; it’s one of only three groups prisoners can join, and the only one that gets outside support. For Jealous, this is part of a push to broaden the NAACP’s appeal. “Colored people come in all colors,” he tells the convicts.

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http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/244797-naacp-chapter-president-disguised-herself-as-black

UPDATE, 12:00 p.m.: The NAACP has released the following statement concerning the Rachel Dolezal scandal:

For 106 years, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People has held a long and proud tradition of receiving support from people of all faiths, races, colors and creeds.

NAACP Spokane Washington Branch President Rachel Dolezal is enduring a legal issue with her family, and we respect her privacy in this matter. Ones racial identity is not a qualifying criteria or disqualifying standard for NAACP leadership. The NAACP Alaska-Oregon-Washington State Conference stands behind Ms. Dolezals advocacy record. In every corner of this country, the NAACP remains committed to securing political, educational, and economic justice for all people, and we encourage Americans of all stripes to become members and serve as leaders in our organization. ...

Maybe it's time for the Naacp to change. How many chapters nationally are led by non-blacks?

 

[Smack Tripper]

I'm truly fascinated by the reactions that people have to her. Most fascinating is the reactions by conservatives. They seem so . . . angry.

I consider myself moderate, and what I have observed is far more liberal defensiveness, as this seems like an issue that Could offend blacks AND somehow damage the trans movement.

Personally, I supported Caitlin Jenner and see ZERO difference between the two.

If idenity is no longer biology but a self defined intellectual choice in terms of trans life, how is this not also the case here?

 

[Fennis]

I'm truly fascinated by the reactions that people have to her. Most fascinating is the reactions by conservatives. They seem so . . . angry.

As usual SweetJ you've got it completely wrong. Conservatives are by and large laughing at this, with a little bit of concern mixed in (deservedly so) for the fake hate crimes she appears to have set up. I watched a lot of TV this weekend (son was with me studying for finals) and the only ones I saw upset were black Liberals, most notably the clown on CNN who said it was the ultimate display of white privilege.

Jesus. How much of that #### do you watch? Non stop fox, cnn, msnbc. Put on something healthier like a snuff film once in a while.

 

[Smack Tripper]

If idenity is no longer biology but a self defined intellectual choice in terms of trans life, how is this not also the case here?

Read elsewhere: We don't really know how she self-identified, and if she kept it up in all cases. She obviously intended to "pass" as black in many contexts, at her NAACP job, her "ethnic hairstyling" work, and apparently in selling her artwork as "portraying the black perspective". But was she fully trans-racial? If she got pulled over by a cop, did she keep up the identity or use her whiteness to try and slide by? Did she "act black" in some situations, but take advantage of being white in others? We don't really know.

But you could substitute any one of those examples for a guy who until recently was Bruce and Caitlyn Jenner.

In trans life we are in a grey area. Does hiring a trans woman fulfill a minority quota? Are transwomen allowed to use women's restrooms and locker rooms? But would a man, traditonally conventionally identified and styled, be subjcf to arrest for the same actions?

 

[General Tso]

I'm truly fascinated by the reactions that people have to her. Most fascinating is the reactions by conservatives. They seem so . . . angry.

You must have Rachel's tendency to fabricate stories about the group you don't like because I've only seen Conservatives poking fun at this hilarious story.

LOL. Right. The conservatives are having a field day with this. It's vindicating all their fears.

Fears? It's comical watching the reaction from those on the left defending her.

Fear of a Black Planet

Great album! Alex Lifeson throws down a wicked solo on one of the tracks.

This man knows what he's talking about.

 

[General Tso]

I'm truly fascinated by the reactions that people have to her. Most fascinating is the reactions by conservatives. They seem so . . . angry.

As usual SweetJ you've got it completely wrong. Conservatives are by and large laughing at this, with a little bit of concern mixed in (deservedly so) for the fake hate crimes she appears to have set up. I watched a lot of TV this weekend (son was with me studying for finals) and the only ones I saw upset were black Liberals, most notably the clown on CNN who said it was the ultimate display of white privilege.

Jesus. How much of that #### do you watch? Non stop fox, cnn, msnbc. Put on something healthier like a snuff film once in a while.

i watched a couple Red Sox games as well this weekend. Does that count as snuff?

 

[General Tso]

Those of you with hats, you may want to grab a hold of `em.

Chutzpah, meet Ms. Dolezal:

NAACP Imposter Sued School Over Race Claims

Rachel Dolezal alleged she was victim of white discrimination

The NAACP official who today resigned in the face of evidence that she masqueraded as black once sued Howard University for denying her teaching posts and a scholarship because she was a white woman, The Smoking Gun has learned. ...

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/bizarre/rachel-dolezal-discrimination-lawsuit-786451

She's ####### nuts. Plain and simple. Did you see the interview when the reporter confronts her and asks if she is African American or not? Look at her face when when she pauses. Look at her eyes. If it's one thing I know it's crazy women. I seem to attract them like flies to ####. And that woman is crazy, and not in a good way.

Ha, yeah... I finally saw that last night, it reminded me of one of those Monty Python skits where the character just runs out of the shot after being caught at completely fabricating something. Comic absurdity at its highest level, she almost looks like Terry Gilliam in a weird way, but it's so insanely horrible that this is a real thing and people have been wrenching their minds to incorporate her existence into some defensible framework.

You have no idea how close that was to the Monty Python skit. She apparently had her keys and some books on the ground and she just left them there as she scurried away for a place to hide. The reporter had to stay there and watch her stuff until she came back!

 

[squistion]

http://americablog.com/2015/06/comparing-rachel-dolezal-trans-scientifically-absurd.html

Comparing Rachel Dolezal to transgender people is scientifically absurd

6/15/15 8:00am by Max Mills

As you have no doubt read, there is a lot of controversy over the revelation that Rachel Dolezal, president of the Spokane chapter of the NAACP, has been pretending to be black for years. And it should surprise no one that conservatives who refuse to acknowledge transgender individuals identities used the opportunity to draw comparisons between the two.

This is ridiculous.

We know for a fact that transgender people are, for lack of a better word, real. MRIs have shown that a male-to-female transgender person has a brain that is like a womans, and that female-to-male transgender people have brains that are like mens. Biological sex is hardcoded into the human genome and, on occasion, the body doesnt match the brain. When trans people say they feel trapped in the body of the opposite sex, its more than a euphemism: On a biological level, thats exactly whats happened.

This isnt true for race, for which biological influences arent much more than skin deep. There is no difference between the structure of a white persons brain and that of a black persons brain in the way that there is between a male brain and a female brain. Rachel Dolezal isnt a black woman trapped in a white womans body; shes a white woman who has chosen to identify as black.

Im not going to speculate as to why she has made that choice. Although, for a really solid critique of her behavior and its consequences, read this.

What I will say is that it remains a science fact that it is impossible for her to be transracial in the way that Laverne Cox and Caitlyn Jenner are transgender. Race and sexual identity are differently different, with biology making the latter run far deeper than the former. To equate Rachel Dolezals performance of another race with the trans communitys deeply-rooted and unchosen identities is to trivialize both race and gender. Dont do it.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Personally, I supported Caitlin Jenner and see ZERO difference between the two.

If idenity is no longer biology but a self defined intellectual choice in terms of trans life, how is this not also the case here?

I don't think it's similar at all. Mainly because I believe Jenner when he says he has always felt/identified the way he has his entire life. I believe he struggled and is coming to terms with that struggle.

I think this woman is a liar and pretended to be black because she liked what that got her.

The two could not be any more different, really.

If this woman were to say all the things that Jenner said and was believable, I could see a comparison being made (might not be a good one, but I would see the discussion). This woman is just a liar. She's no different than the WAL-MART scooter mom who probably pretends to be disabled to collect a check. Maybe you'd say that's the same too, maybe she's really a handicapped person trapped in a healthy body, but you know, come on.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Personally, I supported Caitlin Jenner and see ZERO difference between the two.

If idenity is no longer biology but a self defined intellectual choice in terms of trans life, how is this not also the case here?

I don't think it's similar at all. Mainly because I believe Jenner when he says he has always felt/identified the way he has his entire life. I believe he struggled and is coming to terms with that struggle.

I think this woman is a liar and pretended to be black because she liked what that got her.

The two could not be any more different, really.

If this woman were to say all the things that Jenner said and was believable, I could see a comparison being made (might not be a good one, but I would see the discussion). This woman is just a liar. She's no different than the WAL-MART scooter mom who probably pretends to be disabled to collect a check. Maybe you'd say that's the same too, maybe she's really a handicapped person trapped in a healthy body, but you know, come on.

Do you think being a black woman affords you more opportunities in life than being a white woman?

How can you function with such certitude to know what's in someone's head?

Would it be unreasonable or inappropriate to point out that jenner's choice could be constured as a career move?

 

[PatsWillWin]

Personally, I supported Caitlin Jenner and see ZERO difference between the two.

If idenity is no longer biology but a self defined intellectual choice in terms of trans life, how is this not also the case here?

I don't think it's similar at all. Mainly because I believe Jenner when he says he has always felt/identified the way he has his entire life. I believe he struggled and is coming to terms with that struggle.

I think this woman is a liar and pretended to be black because she liked what that got her.

The two could not be any more different, really.

If this woman were to say all the things that Jenner said and was believable, I could see a comparison being made (might not be a good one, but I would see the discussion). This woman is just a liar. She's no different than the WAL-MART scooter mom who probably pretends to be disabled to collect a check. Maybe you'd say that's the same too, maybe she's really a handicapped person trapped in a healthy body, but you know, come on.

Do you think being a black woman affords you more opportunities in life than being a white woman?

How can you function with such certitude to know what's in someone's head?

Would it be unreasonable or inappropriate to point out that jenner's choice could be constured as a career move?

1) It can depending on your situation. Like if you wanted to become the chapter head of the NAACP.

2) I'm not. I'm saying I happen to believe Jenner. I could be wrong. So far, this woman isn't even pretending to have the kind of crisis that Jenner claims to, so that's why I don't see it as a valid comparison.

3) No, that wouldn't be unreasonable. I personally believe its both - his struggles are real, but obviously he's using them and his decision to bolster his career.

 

[General Tso]

http://americablog.com/2015/06/comparing-rachel-dolezal-trans-scientifically-absurd.htmlComparing Rachel Dolezal to transgender people is scientifically absurd6/15/15 8:00am by Max MillsAs you have no doubt read, there is a lot of controversy over the revelation that Rachel Dolezal, president of the Spokane chapter of the NAACP, has been pretending to be black for years. And it should surprise no one that conservatives who refuse to acknowledge transgender individuals identities used the opportunity to draw comparisons between the two.This is ridiculous.We know for a fact that transgender people are, for lack of a better word, real. MRIs have shown that a male-to-female transgender person has a brain that is like a womans, and that female-to-male transgender people have brains that are like mens. Biological sex is hardcoded into the human genome and, on occasion, the body doesnt match the brain. When trans people say they feel trapped in the body of the opposite sex, its more than a euphemism: On a biological level, thats exactly whats happened.This isnt true for race, for which biological influences arent much more than skin deep. There is no difference between the structure of a white persons brain and that of a black persons brain in the way that there is between a male brain and a female brain. Rachel Dolezal isnt a black woman trapped in a white womans body; shes a white woman who has chosen to identify as black.Im not going to speculate as to why she has made that choice. Although, for a really solid critique of her behavior and its consequences, read this.What I will say is that it remains a science fact that it is impossible for her to be transracial in the way that Laverne Cox and Caitlyn Jenner are transgender. Race and sexual identity are differently different, with biology making the latter run far deeper than the former. To equate Rachel Dolezals performance of another race with the trans communitys deeply-rooted and unchosen identities is to trivialize both race and gender. Dont do it.

He's right. There is practically no differences between the races genetically - something like 0.01%. Race is a social construct, not a biological one.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

http://americablog.com/2015/06/comparing-rachel-dolezal-trans-scientifically-absurd.htmlComparing Rachel Dolezal to transgender people is scientifically absurd6/15/15 8:00am by Max MillsAs you have no doubt read, there is a lot of controversy over the revelation that Rachel Dolezal, president of the Spokane chapter of the NAACP, has been pretending to be black for years. And it should surprise no one that conservatives who refuse to acknowledge transgender individuals identities used the opportunity to draw comparisons between the two.This is ridiculous.We know for a fact that transgender people are, for lack of a better word, real. MRIs have shown that a male-to-female transgender person has a brain that is like a womans, and that female-to-male transgender people have brains that are like mens. Biological sex is hardcoded into the human genome and, on occasion, the body doesnt match the brain. When trans people say they feel trapped in the body of the opposite sex, its more than a euphemism: On a biological level, thats exactly whats happened.This isnt true for race, for which biological influences arent much more than skin deep. There is no difference between the structure of a white persons brain and that of a black persons brain in the way that there is between a male brain and a female brain. Rachel Dolezal isnt a black woman trapped in a white womans body; shes a white woman who has chosen to identify as black.Im not going to speculate as to why she has made that choice. Although, for a really solid critique of her behavior and its consequences, read this.What I will say is that it remains a science fact that it is impossible for her to be transracial in the way that Laverne Cox and Caitlyn Jenner are transgender. Race and sexual identity are differently different, with biology making the latter run far deeper than the former. To equate Rachel Dolezals performance of another race with the trans communitys deeply-rooted and unchosen identities is to trivialize both race and gender. Dont do it.

He's right. There is practically no differences between the races genetically - something like 0.01%. Race is a social construct, not a biological one.

Which pretty much subverts the whole notion of "race" in the first place.

And this is circular - there is no acceptable definition of "race" and that is what has happened here, because to define race, really legally or scientifically define it, leads to some pretty ugly areas IMO.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

http://americablog.com/2015/06/comparing-rachel-dolezal-trans-scientifically-absurd.html

Comparing Rachel Dolezal to transgender people is scientifically absurd

6/15/15 8:00am by Max Mills

As you have no doubt read, there is a lot of controversy over the revelation that Rachel Dolezal, president of the Spokane chapter of the NAACP, has been pretending to be black for years. And it should surprise no one that conservatives who refuse to acknowledge transgender individuals identities used the opportunity to draw comparisons between the two.

This is ridiculous.

We know for a fact that transgender people are, for lack of a better word, real. MRIs have shown that a male-to-female transgender person has a brain that is like a womans, and that female-to-male transgender people have brains that are like mens. Biological sex is hardcoded into the human genome and, on occasion, the body doesnt match the brain. When trans people say they feel trapped in the body of the opposite sex, its more than a euphemism: On a biological level, thats exactly whats happened.

This isnt true for race, for which biological influences arent much more than skin deep. There is no difference between the structure of a white persons brain and that of a black persons brain in the way that there is between a male brain and a female brain. Rachel Dolezal isnt a black woman trapped in a white womans body; shes a white woman who has chosen to identify as black.

Im not going to speculate as to why she has made that choice. Although, for a really solid critique of her behavior and its consequences, read this.

What I will say is that it remains a science fact that it is impossible for her to be transracial in the way that Laverne Cox and Caitlyn Jenner are transgender. Race and sexual identity are differently different, with biology making the latter run far deeper than the former. To equate Rachel Dolezals performance of another race with the trans communitys deeply-rooted and unchosen identities is to trivialize both race and gender. Dont do it.

The article notes that the author. "Max Mills is a 25 year old Texan with a degree in Computer Science." Between the highlighted line and the author's credentials, why should we take the author's "scientific" findings as infallible?

And if we do accept his "scientific" findings, the author bases his conclusion that transgenderism has a basis in scientifcally reality while "wrong skin" syndrome does not have a basis in scientific reality on a 2010 study. So just a few years ago, prior to that alleged scientific proof, was it also fair to question the legitimacy of Jenner's claims?

He's also a gay rights proponent, and it's kind of funny considering the flip argument that has made in the past by many in the black civil rights community that the gay rights movement has no comparison to the black civil rights movements of the 50s and 60s.

 

[rockaction]

http://americablog.com/2015/06/comparing-rachel-dolezal-trans-scientifically-absurd.html

Comparing Rachel Dolezal to transgender people is scientifically absurd

6/15/15 8:00am by Max Mills

As you have no doubt read, there is a lot of controversy over the revelation that Rachel Dolezal, president of the Spokane chapter of the NAACP, has been pretending to be black for years. And it should surprise no one that conservatives who refuse to acknowledge transgender individuals identities used the opportunity to draw comparisons between the two.

This is ridiculous.

We know for a fact that transgender people are, for lack of a better word, real. MRIs have shown that a male-to-female transgender person has a brain that is like a womans, and that female-to-male transgender people have brains that are like mens. Biological sex is hardcoded into the human genome and, on occasion, the body doesnt match the brain. When trans people say they feel trapped in the body of the opposite sex, its more than a euphemism: On a biological level, thats exactly whats happened.

This isnt true for race, for which biological influences arent much more than skin deep. There is no difference between the structure of a white persons brain and that of a black persons brain in the way that there is between a male brain and a female brain. Rachel Dolezal isnt a black woman trapped in a white womans body; shes a white woman who has chosen to identify as black.

Im not going to speculate as to why she has made that choice. Although, for a really solid critique of her behavior and its consequences, read this.

What I will say is that it remains a science fact that it is impossible for her to be transracial in the way that Laverne Cox and Caitlyn Jenner are transgender. Race and sexual identity are differently different, with biology making the latter run far deeper than the former. To equate Rachel Dolezals performance of another race with the trans communitys deeply-rooted and unchosen identities is to trivialize both race and gender. Dont do it.

The article notes that the author. "Max Mills is a 25 year old Texan with a degree in Computer Science." Between the highlighted line and the author's credentials, why should we take the author's "scientific" findings as infallible?

And if we do accept his "scientific" findings, the author bases his conclusion that transgenderism has a basis in scientifcally reality while "wrong skin" syndrome does not have a basis in scientific reality on a 2010 study. So just a few years ago, prior to that alleged scientific proof, was it also fair to question the legitimacy of Jenner's claims?

All of this is

People are flip, flopping, and flying trying to figure out this logical extension of empirical "feelings" as truth.

Here's the truth: Rachel, you are white. Bruce, you a man.

 

[General Tso]

http://americablog.com/2015/06/comparing-rachel-dolezal-trans-scientifically-absurd.htmlComparing Rachel Dolezal to transgender people is scientifically absurd6/15/15 8:00am by Max MillsAs you have no doubt read, there is a lot of controversy over the revelation that Rachel Dolezal, president of the Spokane chapter of the NAACP, has been pretending to be black for years. And it should surprise no one that conservatives who refuse to acknowledge transgender individuals identities used the opportunity to draw comparisons between the two.This is ridiculous.We know for a fact that transgender people are, for lack of a better word, real. MRIs have shown that a male-to-female transgender person has a brain that is like a womans, and that female-to-male transgender people have brains that are like mens. Biological sex is hardcoded into the human genome and, on occasion, the body doesnt match the brain. When trans people say they feel trapped in the body of the opposite sex, its more than a euphemism: On a biological level, thats exactly whats happened.This isnt true for race, for which biological influences arent much more than skin deep. There is no difference between the structure of a white persons brain and that of a black persons brain in the way that there is between a male brain and a female brain. Rachel Dolezal isnt a black woman trapped in a white womans body; shes a white woman who has chosen to identify as black.Im not going to speculate as to why she has made that choice. Although, for a really solid critique of her behavior and its consequences, read this.What I will say is that it remains a science fact that it is impossible for her to be transracial in the way that Laverne Cox and Caitlyn Jenner are transgender. Race and sexual identity are differently different, with biology making the latter run far deeper than the former. To equate Rachel Dolezals performance of another race with the trans communitys deeply-rooted and unchosen identities is to trivialize both race and gender. Dont do it.

He's right. There is practically no differences between the races genetically - something like 0.01%. Race is a social construct, not a biological one.

Which pretty much subverts the whole notion of "race" in the first place.

Bingo. To define race based on skin color is a fool's errand in so many ways. But people in this country still insist on doing it. One of the forbidden things to say in that University of California bulletin we were talking about is, "I am colorblind". Wtf? When did trying to see past skin color become a bad thing? It's insanity.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

And she's now been canned by Eastern Washington U. as well. Pretty much a personal disaster for her.

http://www.ewu.edu/csbssw/programs/africana-studies-program

 

[Smack Tripper]

Personally, I supported Caitlin Jenner and see ZERO difference between the two.

If idenity is no longer biology but a self defined intellectual choice in terms of trans life, how is this not also the case here?

I don't think it's similar at all. Mainly because I believe Jenner when he says he has always felt/identified the way he has his entire life. I believe he struggled and is coming to terms with that struggle.

I think this woman is a liar and pretended to be black because she liked what that got her.

The two could not be any more different, really.

If this woman were to say all the things that Jenner said and was believable, I could see a comparison being made (might not be a good one, but I would see the discussion). This woman is just a liar. She's no different than the WAL-MART scooter mom who probably pretends to be disabled to collect a check. Maybe you'd say that's the same too, maybe she's really a handicapped person trapped in a healthy body, but you know, come on.

Do you think being a black woman affords you more opportunities in life than being a white woman?How can you function with such certitude to know what's in someone's head?

Would it be unreasonable or inappropriate to point out that jenner's choice could be constured as a career move?

1) It can depending on your situation. Like if you wanted to become the chapter head of the NAACP.

2) I'm not. I'm saying I happen to believe Jenner. I could be wrong. So far, this woman isn't even pretending to have the kind of crisis that Jenner claims to, so that's why I don't see it as a valid comparison.

3) No, that wouldn't be unreasonable. I personally believe its both - his struggles are real, but obviously he's using them and his decision to bolster his career.

1. Do you thnk that is a coveted position of status?

2. Indeed we can't know. But the Occam's razor of it would, the fact that this is generally backward step for status, I ask one question: why? It would at a glance say to me she felt the need to express herself this way but concede that is pure theory at this point

 

[PatsWillWin]

Personally, I supported Caitlin Jenner and see ZERO difference between the two.

If idenity is no longer biology but a self defined intellectual choice in terms of trans life, how is this not also the case here?

I don't think it's similar at all. Mainly because I believe Jenner when he says he has always felt/identified the way he has his entire life. I believe he struggled and is coming to terms with that struggle.

I think this woman is a liar and pretended to be black because she liked what that got her.

The two could not be any more different, really.

If this woman were to say all the things that Jenner said and was believable, I could see a comparison being made (might not be a good one, but I would see the discussion). This woman is just a liar. She's no different than the WAL-MART scooter mom who probably pretends to be disabled to collect a check. Maybe you'd say that's the same too, maybe she's really a handicapped person trapped in a healthy body, but you know, come on.

Do you think being a black woman affords you more opportunities in life than being a white woman?How can you function with such certitude to know what's in someone's head?

Would it be unreasonable or inappropriate to point out that jenner's choice could be constured as a career move?

1) It can depending on your situation. Like if you wanted to become the chapter head of the NAACP.

2) I'm not. I'm saying I happen to believe Jenner. I could be wrong. So far, this woman isn't even pretending to have the kind of crisis that Jenner claims to, so that's why I don't see it as a valid comparison.

3) No, that wouldn't be unreasonable. I personally believe its both - his struggles are real, but obviously he's using them and his decision to bolster his career.

1. Do you thnk that is a coveted position of status?

2. Indeed we can't know. But the Occam's razor of it would, the fact that this is generally backward step for status, I ask one question: why? It would at a glance say to me she felt the need to express herself this way but concede that is pure theory at this point

1) I think it's coveted by her, yes.

2) I don't agree that it's "generally a backward step for status." Deciding to pretend to be black after not having actually suffered any discrimination or disadvantage relating to be black is not a "backward step for status." Actually being black, particularly in a poor socio-economic situation, can be a disadvantaged status. But that's not really relevant because she was never actually in those circumstances. If anything, it's a step forward in status because she can tout all of the struggles and adversity she's overcome to get to where she is today (which are all obviously fabricated).

 

[Leviathan]

And she's now been canned by Eastern Washington U. as well. Pretty much a personal disaster for her.

http://www.ewu.edu/csbssw/programs/africana-studies-program

Oof. I'm hoping this doesn't lead to suicide. Her life is caving in on itself.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

And she's now been canned by Eastern Washington U. as well. Pretty much a personal disaster for her.

http://www.ewu.edu/csbssw/programs/africana-studies-program

Oof. I'm hoping this doesn't lead to suicide. Her life is caving in on itself.

True enough, hopefully she's not so isolated as that at this time. She's made some huge mistakes and she's probably in a bad place right now.

 

[cstu]

I think she should have kept saying she's AA...in for a penny, in for a pound. Make the NAACP prove what an AA is.

 

[comfortably numb]

And she's now been canned by Eastern Washington U. as well. Pretty much a personal disaster for her.

http://www.ewu.edu/csbssw/programs/africana-studies-program

Oof. I'm hoping this doesn't lead to suicide. Her life is caving in on itself.

Black females have lowest suicide rate amongst females.

She has that on her side

 

[squistion]

I think she should have kept saying she's AA...in for a penny, in for a pound. Make the NAACP prove what an AA is.

The NAACP doesn't care. If you look at an online picture of the founders of the organization, half of them were white. https://www.pinterest.com/pin/8585055512365155/. And she resigned her position, they didn't fire her (although I don't really see how she could have continued in a leadership role in Spokane after all this).

And mentioned several times earlier in this thread, being AA has never been a requirement for NAACP membership.

 

[squistion]

I think she should have kept saying she's AA...in for a penny, in for a pound. Make the NAACP prove what an AA is.

The NAACP doesn't care. If you look at an online picture of the founders of the organization, half of them were white. https://www.pinterest.com/pin/8585055512365155/. And she resigned her position, they didn't fire her (although I don't really see how she could have continued in a leadership role in Spokane after all this).

And mentioned several times earlier in this thread, being AA has never been a requirement for NAACP membership.

Yes, a disproportionate number of the NAACP founders were Jewish, but what percentage of NAACP leaders over the last half century have not been black?If we're going to use the same period that you did to support an argument, than we could also say that the Democrat Party is the party of the Southern white segregationist. Times change.

From an earlier post in this thread:

http://thehill.com/b...erself-as-black

UPDATE, 12:00 p.m.: The NAACP has released the following statement concerning the Rachel Dolezal scandal:

For 106 years, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People has held a long and proud tradition of receiving support from people of all faiths, races, colors and creeds.

NAACP Spokane Washington Branch President Rachel Dolezal is enduring a legal issue with her family, and we respect her privacy in this matter. Ones racial identity is not a qualifying criteria or disqualifying standard for NAACP leadership.

 

[General Tso]

And she's now been canned by Eastern Washington U. as well. Pretty much a personal disaster for her.

http://www.ewu.edu/csbssw/programs/africana-studies-program

WOW. Have to say I am completely shocked by this. Kudos to the University for doing the right thing there.

 

[squistion]

And she's now been canned by Eastern Washington U. as well. Pretty much a personal disaster for her.

http://www.ewu.edu/csbssw/programs/africana-studies-program

WOW. Have to say I am completely shocked by this. Kudos to the University for doing the right thing there.

I am not shocked. Her qualifications for teaching Africana studies were arguably fraudulent. Not that a white person couldn't do that, but that was not how she represented herself.

But don't cry for her, Argentina, she will do fine. She will write a book and may be now negotiating movie deals about her life story.