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Nancy Reagan passes away at age 94 (1 Viewer)

jon_mx said:
Doctor Detroit said:
And still isn't.  The thought is I guess, but it's a thought thrown out there without knowing the true nature of people. 
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You can point out a lot of policies which had good intent, but failed. Not sure that is a reason to be critical.  Kind of like our war on poverty just seems to make more poverty.  People are not all that easy to help. 
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I was commenting on Tim's idea that it was some sort of workable or effective saying.  I wasn't fishing or looking to get in your little fight, so go back in your bunker and aim fire at someone else.  :bye:  

 
Smack Tripper said:
You guys act like these drug offenses came in a vacuum. 

I'm FULLY pro legalization and decriminization.  But that said, on a federal level, in the 70s, when people used drugs in a managed or contained level, there wasn't an initiative against. 

But in the 80's, in Reagan's era, you have a spectre of cocaine and not about a high or hangover but death. I think Belushi's death changed things. And then you have your athletes getting caught using and culminating in Len Bias, and there is a call to action. 

Factor this in with the money cocaine brings and then the corresponding violence of organized crime, just check out cocaine Cowboys for period reference. New York City was near 2000 murders annually. Sentencing and the response was demanded BY THE PEOPLE. 

Given the low voter turnout of junkies, these became layup political points to score. 

We learned and adjusted and still face rampant problems. But to wear your 2016 glasses and have no awareness of the time seems shortsighted 
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Re: 70's....check out the Schafer Commission and Nixon's work there.  Sickening.

 
jon_mx said:
I did. Tim actually praise people for laying off Ted and being respectful.  

You maybe referring to an earlier thread when Teddy was sick.  But even so, that is a juvenile reason to justify behavior. 
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I'm not justifying it, just saying it works both ways here.

 
Ilov80s said:
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She WAS something before electricity.

 
I don't judge intent or effort by outcome, necessarily.  I try not to judge past generations by current standards, at least not to condom them, but perhaps to measure progress or distance traveled, though the two are not necessarily the same. As for hypocrisies , I am more guilty than most.  In an effort to fool and comfort myself I like to rationalize that mine are not so much hypocrisies, as unavoidable paradoxes with which I have grown comfortable.  I'm a giant ###.

RIP Mrs. Reagan.

 
I don't get the overwhelming adoration for her. She seemed like an ok person, but then again all First Ladies do - including Michelle Obama.

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
I don't judge intent or effort by outcome, necessarily.  I try not to judge past generations by current standards, at least not to condom them, but perhaps to measure progress or distance traveled, though the two are not necessarily the same. As for hypocrisies , I am more guilty than most.  In an effort to fool and comfort myself I like to rationalize that mine are not so much hypocrisies, as unavoidable paradoxes with which I have grown comfortable.  I'm a giant ###.

RIP Mrs. Reagan.
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Is this the part where we drag abstinence-only sex ed into this?

 
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General Malaise said:
The hell I am.  You don't find it the least bit ironic that she was telling people not to use drugs when her husband and party has historically been in the back pockets of tobacco, alcohol and Big Pharma?  Come on....her husband endorsed Chesterfield cigarettes for Christ's sake.  So...destroy yourself with nicotine but don't you dare smoke a joint?  "Just Say No" was  responsible for massive government waste on a drug war that has not just failed but imprisoned countless non-violent offenders.  I also note it didn't stop you from smoking weed, so I'd call the message not only dangerous but ineffectual.
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She was alive for 94 years prior...seems a little late to Monday Morning QB her at this point.

 
Thunderlips said:
She was an instrumental part in the success of one of the most adored Presidencies in this country.  While I don't particularly stand with the politics of her or her husband......I think its cool that so many people in this country still think so fondly of her.  RIP Mr. Reagan....you will be missed. 
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Nice post. You stated you don't agree but you show respect. 

I get the Scalia backlash a couple weeks back, I really do. Nancy, not so much. 

 
Willie Neslon said:
The problem wasn't necessarily the slogan, it was the strategy and attitude in dealing with drug users.  Incarceration, effort spent by police that could have been much better spent elsewhere.  The effect was felt much more so (by miles) in the african american community than in the white community.  It wasn't until the drug epidemic became as much a white problem did the government soften it's stance. It's taken decades to undo that awful policy. It had devastating consequences that are still felt to this day.
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Hey Willie, big fan of yours on here. I just want to point out that Bill Clinton, a Liberal, he was the person who passed perhaps the strongest and harshest laws on to the books and even admits this much...I'm only saying let's not pretend this is all the GOP doing or Reagan's, surely it's not. 

 
Officer Pete Malloy said:
And DARE really didn't do jack ####.
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I disagree. While the students are in school it is/was very effective. The 1st school I taught at had a small drug problem and I was able to help curtail a lot of it by hitting the problem head on. We opted not to go with long suspensions for our first time offenders and went with a more proactive discussion in the Middle School grades and had a huge pep rally with a couple local celebrities and lots of police with the cars open for the kids to get in and out of, drug dogs, it made a huge difference. The kids felt those who might be involved or smoking pot suddenly not so cool. 

Personally, I'm for legalizing it and the whole nine yards but that doesn't mean I think kids should have access. I never smoked a joint until I stepped foot on a college campus.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
Hey Willie, big fan of yours on here. I just want to point out that Bill Clinton, a Liberal, he was the person who passed perhaps the strongest and harshest laws on to the books and even admits this much...I'm only saying let's not pretend this is all the GOP doing or Reagan's, surely it's not. 
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Ok but his name isn't on the thread title. 

 
Willie Neslon said:
Ok but his name isn't on the thread title. 
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I understand but most of the people we pity in prison for drugs over the last 15-20 years has very little to do with Nancy Reagan at this point is all I'm saying. Her husband set back Psychological Therapy several decades but his actual name is not on the title either. I think we should try and honor when appropriate when folks pass away. Nancy was an incredible 1st Lady, easily the best we have had in the last 50 years although I will say nice things about Michelle Obama, best since Nancy. 

 
Ministry of Pain said:
I think we should try and honor when appropriate when folks pass away. Nancy was an incredible 1st Lady, easily the best we have had in the last 50 years although I will say nice things about Michelle Obama, best since Nancy. 
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I've always felt the internet is weird when it comes to famous people dying. The people who write "RIP" are being about as respectful as the people talking about things she did as first lady are being disrespectful which is not at all.  None of it matters.  We're just conversing electronically.  Nobody is crossing "the line".  Nobody here knew her.  Nobody is saying she was an awful person.  Who are the people who write RIP talking to?  I feel like those posts are about the person posting them, not about the deceased. It's very odd to me.  If it makes you feel better about yourself because you post RIP on the internet when someone famous dies then go for it.  If I want to have a discussion about one of the aspects of that person's life I'm going to do that.  Nobody is better or worse than anyone else because of something written on the internet immediately after a public figure dies.

 
Willie Neslon said:
I've always felt the internet is weird when it comes to famous people dying. The people who write "RIP" are being about as respectful as the people talking about things she did as first lady are being disrespectful which is not at all.  None of it matters.  We're just conversing electronically.  Nobody is crossing "the line".  Nobody here knew her.  Nobody is saying she was an awful person.  Who are the people who write RIP talking to?  I feel like those posts are about the person posting them, not about the deceased. It's very odd to me.  If it makes you feel better about yourself because you post RIP on the internet when someone famous dies then go for it.  If I want to have a discussion about one of the aspects of that person's life I'm going to do that.  Nobody is better or worse than anyone else because of something written on the internet immediately after a public figure dies.
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Fair enough Willie

 
As far as former first ladies into astrology go, she was a good one.

Virtually every major move and decision the Reagans made during my time as White House Chief of Staff was cleared in advance with a woman in San Francisco [Quigley] who drew up horoscopes to make certain that the planets were in a favorable alignment for the enterprise.
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Willie Neslon said:
I've always felt the internet is weird when it comes to famous people dying. The people who write "RIP" are being about as respectful as the people talking about things she did as first lady are being disrespectful which is not at all.  None of it matters.  We're just conversing electronically.  Nobody is crossing "the line".  Nobody here knew her.  Nobody is saying she was an awful person.  Who are the people who write RIP talking to?  I feel like those posts are about the person posting them, not about the deceased. It's very odd to me.  If it makes you feel better about yourself because you post RIP on the internet when someone famous dies then go for it.  If I want to have a discussion about one of the aspects of that person's life I'm going to do that.  Nobody is better or worse than anyone else because of something written on the internet immediately after a public figure dies.
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Really?  I usually enjoy your stuff....this? 

I do it simply out of respect as we are a community and giving our thoughts...weather it is a simple RIP or talking about said person who passed away.

I don't see the big deal. And yeah in reality none of it really matters....but I would have saved my breath on that post man.

 
Nancy went public with her husband's Alzheimer's diagnosis in 1994. This led to a huge increase in fund-raising for the Alzheimer's Association and reduced the stigma associated with the disease. She also led the fight against federal restrictions on embryonic stem cell research. In 1997, NIA honored Reagan by naming the latest neuropathological criteria for Alzheimer's Disease: the NIA-Reagan criteria. Her decision in 1994 was courageous.

 
Todem said:
Really?  I usually enjoy your stuff....this? 

I do it simply out of respect as we are a community and giving our thoughts...weather it is a simple RIP or talking about said person who passed away.

I don't see the big deal. And yeah in reality none of it really matters....but I would have saved my breath on that post man.
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That fine you see it that way. I find it odd but most don't.  I don't know how discussing points of her life and legacy here are any different than what's going on right now on the news channels.  I see it as honoring her memory by discussing her life.  Is Fox News being disrespectful right now having presidential historians on today remembering her time as first lady?  Should they only be saying rest in peace?  fwiw I met the woman.  I liked her. 

 
Willie Neslon said:
I've always felt the internet is weird when it comes to famous people dying. The people who write "RIP" are being about as respectful as the people talking about things she did as first lady are being disrespectful which is not at all.  None of it matters.  We're just conversing electronically.  Nobody is crossing "the line".  Nobody here knew her.  Nobody is saying she was an awful person.  Who are the people who write RIP talking to?  I feel like those posts are about the person posting them, not about the deceased. It's very odd to me.  If it makes you feel better about yourself because you post RIP on the internet when someone famous dies then go for it.  If I want to have a discussion about one of the aspects of that person's life I'm going to do that.  Nobody is better or worse than anyone else because of something written on the internet immediately after a public figure dies.
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I understand what you're saying.  The problem is that when a public figure dies, and a person immediately jumps in to remind everybody about something negative or perceived as negative associated with that person, it doesn't tend to come off as a balanced, thoughtful assessment of that public figure's life.  What folks tend to hear is "I'm glad so-and-so is dead because they disagreed with me on something or another."  

You might think that that's a totally unreasonable interpretation, but I encourage you to read through the Scalia thread and note that there were actually a few people saying in so many words exactly what I just indicated.  I'm sure there were some in the Ted Kennedy and Reagan threads too.  

You grandmother might be a really bad person, and you might be quite open to hearing a full inventory of all her personal faults on most days, but I'm guessing you wouldn't care to hear it on the day of her funeral.  It doesn't take much just to let it go for a day or two, and then if you feel like talking about 1980s-era drug policies, by all means start a thread on that topic.    

 
IvanKaramazov said:
I understand what you're saying.  The problem is that when a public figure dies, and a person immediately jumps in to remind everybody about something negative or perceived as negative associated with that person, it doesn't tend to come off as a balanced, thoughtful assessment of that public figure's life.  What folks tend to hear is "I'm glad so-and-so is dead because they disagreed with me on something or another."  

You might think that that's a totally unreasonable interpretation, but I encourage you to read through the Scalia thread and note that there were actually a few people saying in so many words exactly what I just indicated.  I'm sure there were some in the Ted Kennedy and Reagan threads too.  

You grandmother might be a really bad person, and you might be quite open to hearing a full inventory of all her personal faults on most days, but I'm guessing you wouldn't care to hear it on the day of her funeral.  It doesn't take much just to let it go for a day or two, and then if you feel like talking about 1980s-era drug policies, by all means start a thread on that topic.    
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Scalia was an immensely polarizing figure. Would it be surprising that any thread with his name in the title become a somewhat heated political discussion?

I don't think anyone here came close to insinuating they were glad anyone was dead.  They were merely discussing arguably her most prominent role during her time as a public figure. I don't even know who or when in the thread the point was raised.  I had some experience during that time and wanted to add my point of view. Nobody was being crass or classless. It's my opinion that sharing a substantive remembrance about a public figure has far more value than an RIP.  This is not a thread about someone anyone here knew or loved. That would be a much different thread as it should be.

I haven't thought about Nancy Reagan in years.  I think maybe the last time we saw her on TV was sitting at some republican debate last cycle maybe. When someone famous died it jogs memories and people write stuff.  Why they should need to wait a few days or do it in another thread seems silly, at least to me. She was 94.  She lived a long fruitful life and had experiences that few live. It's OK if a couple of shleps on the internet talk about something she took part in 30 years ago in a thread on a fantasy football website, even a thread about her passing.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
I disagree. While the students are in school it is/was very effective. The 1st school I taught at had a small drug problem and I was able to help curtail a lot of it by hitting the problem head on. We opted not to go with long suspensions for our first time offenders and went with a more proactive discussion in the Middle School grades and had a huge pep rally with a couple local celebrities and lots of police with the cars open for the kids to get in and out of, drug dogs, it made a huge difference. The kids felt those who might be involved or smoking pot suddenly not so cool. 

Personally, I'm for legalizing it and the whole nine yards but that doesn't mean I think kids should have access. I never smoked a joint until I stepped foot on a college campus.
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http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-just-say-no-doesnt-work/

 
Smack Tripper said:
You guys act like these drug offenses came in a vacuum. 

I'm FULLY pro legalization and decriminization.  But that said, on a federal level, in the 70s, when people used drugs in a managed or contained level, there wasn't an initiative against. 

But in the 80's, in Reagan's era, you have a spectre of cocaine and not about a high or hangover but death. I think Belushi's death changed things. And then you have your athletes getting caught using and culminating in Len Bias, and there is a call to action. 

Factor this in with the money cocaine brings and then the corresponding violence of organized crime, just check out cocaine Cowboys for period reference. New York City was near 2000 murders annually. Sentencing and the response was demanded BY THE PEOPLE. 

Given the low voter turnout of junkies, these became layup political points to score. 

We learned and adjusted and still face rampant problems. But to wear your 2016 glasses and have no awareness of the time seems shortsighted 
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Bingo...reading some of these posts is laughable...absolutely no concept of the reality of the era...things would have been much easier if the answer to solving these problems were to send Colombian drug dealers to rehab...

 
Willie Neslon said:
I've always felt the internet is weird when it comes to famous people dying. The people who write "RIP" are being about as respectful as the people talking about things she did as first lady are being disrespectful which is not at all.  None of it matters.  We're just conversing electronically.  Nobody is crossing "the line".  Nobody here knew her.  Nobody is saying she was an awful person.  Who are the people who write RIP talking to?  I feel like those posts are about the person posting them, not about the deceased. It's very odd to me.  If it makes you feel better about yourself because you post RIP on the internet when someone famous dies then go for it.  If I want to have a discussion about one of the aspects of that person's life I'm going to do that.  Nobody is better or worse than anyone else because of something written on the internet immediately after a public figure dies.
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RIP 

 
Well I'll be the third or fourth child of the 80's to mention in this thread that "Just Say No" had a positive impact on me.  Seems like the target audience for the program felt it was at least somewhat effective :shrug:

I'm not the biggest fan of Reagan's presidency, but I have nothing but respect for Mrs. Reagan.  

 
Daryl Strawberry came to my school in the 80's before and after a cocaine binge and arrest.  Had a positive impact on me! 

 
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