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Nate Washington (2 Viewers)
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ThaPenguin
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Reports are that Nate is asking 7-8 million per year. Don't have the numbers on hand, but I am pretty sure that is more than Hines and Santonio are making. Nuff said.
Ghost of Bill Walsh
Footballguy
Yeah, I suppose they're wanting to see what kind of player they're gonna have for the high pick they spent on Sweed. I seriously doubt Nate gets the 7-8 mil he wants somwhere else but it might be in his best interest to go elsewhere. He'll be 26 in Aug. and is 6'1". Pretty good size. In '08 he had 40rec/631yds/3tds.In his 4 yrs with the Steelers he's had 104rec/1705 yds/12tds. Not elite status by a long shot but I think he's got enough talent he could go somewhere and be a team's #2 guy,IMO. He's become expendable by the Steelers because of the Sweed pick. IIRC,Big Ben wanted a big receiver so they went out and got Sweed.I don't think Sweed's gonna return immediate big value for where they drafted him.It'll probably take a couple of years for him to be a regular starter. I like Nate Washingto and I think he'll be successfull on another team. If he works hard I think he'll have the chance to be a steady #2 guy for somebody. Depending on where he lands I'll surely be looking for him in redraft leagues.He'll probably be a low end 3rd guy or top 4th guy wherever he goes at least this year. Then look for a step up in production in 2010. I think he's got good dynasty value for where you can probably draft him.
JPeso
Footballguy
Riddle me surprised at this one as well. He likely would settle for less than the 7/8m he wants, and the Steelers have made zero effort to retain him. Could they really be this confident that Sweed will pan out, or do they feel they still have another two years of Hines and then can reevaluate Sweed at this point on time?
SteelerMurf
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Washington is a #3 WR. Steelers have more pressing needs being up against the cap with start like Harrison and Heath Miller due to become free agents after this upcoming season.
Honestly, I think Sweed steps right in to Nate's place. Sweed reminds me of Nate after his first year when he couldn't catch a cold but always seem to get wide open. Sweed can catch, he was a top WR in last year's draft despite missing most of his last college season with wrist injury.
Honestly, I think Sweed steps right in to Nate's place. Sweed reminds me of Nate after his first year when he couldn't catch a cold but always seem to get wide open. Sweed can catch, he was a top WR in last year's draft despite missing most of his last college season with wrist injury.
Ghost of Bill Walsh
Footballguy
I agree he was nothing more than a #3 guy in Pittsburgh. I think he could turn out to be at least productive to a degree as a #2 wr. He's not going to be sought after like some of the other FA wr's, and he won't sniff 7-8mil kind of money, but he'll land somewhere that's in need of wr help. If he lowers his expectations of big money he could find a team that might give him a 2-3 yr. contract, at a reasonable price. He han't done much and he needs to understand he's gonna have to prove himself. I think he can do that with the right attitude, good work ethic and a willingness to accept a fair dollar amount contract. He could eventually work his way into being a starter,IMO. We all get hunches about players I'm sure and I have a hunch that Nate ,in time, could be a decent #2 possesion type wr.He was undrafted butthe Steelers gave him a shot. In 4 yrs. there he amassed 104rec/1705yds/12tds. So Iknow he's had towork hard to even get playing timeso I don't see any reason why he couldn't do the same on another team. Odds have been stacked against him and he played his role in Pitt ok. If he continues to work hard I think he'll get an opportunityand hopefully take advantage of it.Now, Mr.Limas Sweed, should take on a bigger role this year with the Steelers. Roethlisberger basically begged or rather campaigned for a big receiver and the orginization accomodated him drafting Limas Sweed. OK, so now Big Ben has got the big receiver he's wanted let's see what he does with him.Hopefully they'llbe able to build some chemistry between each other and the results end up favorably. It's gonna take more work on Sweed's part than Ben's part so we'll have to wait and see how it pans out. I honestly believe Sweed's gonna put up a lot better numbers than Washington had.Check back on Nate Washington in a couple of years and I think you're gonna find, a lot of you may disagree and that's fine, he'll be a starter and have ok numbers.I don't think he'll be great by a longshot but he's not gonna bust either if he's given the opportunity to play. Just one man's opinion.**Refresher Pause- with all the news going on have yourself a treat. Click on my Blind Faith Avatar and take a look at the pic on my profile page. Yes, I am still breathing under there
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Ministry of Pain
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I have been a big supporter of Nate Washingotn for awhile. Living in the shadows of Hines Ward and Santonio Holmes the past couple of seasons...look at what he has done in very limited opps...
Over the past 3 years he has only started in 6 games...
2006: 35/620/4
2007: 29/450/5
2008: 40/630/3
202 targets over the 3 years=104 receptions...about 50% so he may not have the best hands. 1700 yds and a 16.4 ypc avg is pretty darn good, and he has 12 TD to boot.
If he signs somewhere and ends up getting about 6-8 targets a game...70/1100/6+TD...not out of the realm of possibilities. In Dynsaty I think this is an absolute go get.
Over the past 3 years he has only started in 6 games...
2006: 35/620/4
2007: 29/450/5
2008: 40/630/3
202 targets over the 3 years=104 receptions...about 50% so he may not have the best hands. 1700 yds and a 16.4 ypc avg is pretty darn good, and he has 12 TD to boot.
If he signs somewhere and ends up getting about 6-8 targets a game...70/1100/6+TD...not out of the realm of possibilities. In Dynsaty I think this is an absolute go get.
Steeler
Footballguy
I'd like him to remain a Steeler but there is very little chance of that happening. Having said that, the one thing that always bothered me about Nate is that he seldom catches the ball cleanly. He had some issues with drops earlier in his career so at least he's improved (he now bobbles the ball but catches it, rather than dropping it)... so there is still room for improvment, but this is still an issue IMO.
H8fulHuck
Footballguy
I'd rather see the Steelers focus on extending the contracts of these players going into an uncapped year. We can kiss them both goodbye in that scenario.
T Bell
Footballguy
How is it that the Steelers have such a large fan base and such a small budget? Can anyone explain that to me?I'd rather see the Steelers focus on extending the contracts of these players going into an uncapped year. We can kiss them both goodbye in that scenario.
H8fulHuck
Footballguy
We are up against the cap like most teams. I think a big reason the team is successful due to their ability to avoid over paying for some players. Going into an uncapped year put a pit in the stomach for all small market teams. That's a Dan Snyder wet dream.
T Bell
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That's what I mean though. I'm referring to the prior poster's statement (perhaps wrong-headed) about the Steelers needing to extend contracts before the uncapped year for fear of not being able to compete without a salary cap, and I don't understand that with that particular organization.
Irish
Footballguy
If the Steelers received the entire amount spent on Steelers merchandise than yes the Rooney's would spend money like Dan Snyder, but all teams have to share the revenue from merchandise sales.That's what I mean though. I'm referring to the prior poster's statement (perhaps wrong-headed) about the Steelers needing to extend contracts before the uncapped year for fear of not being able to compete without a salary cap, and I don't understand that with that particular organization.
T Bell
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You're dodging the question and I'm not even sure you're right about revenue sharing regarding merchandise, certainly in terms of where the lion's share of such money goes. Regardless, the same rules apply to the Redskins. Why can't the Rooney's keep up with other teams without a salary cap when their organization has such a massive fan base?If the Steelers received the entire amount spent on Steelers merchandise than yes the Rooney's would spend money like Dan Snyder, but all teams have to share the revenue from merchandise sales.That's what I mean though. I'm referring to the prior poster's statement (perhaps wrong-headed) about the Steelers needing to extend contracts before the uncapped year for fear of not being able to compete without a salary cap, and I don't understand that with that particular organization.
Irish
Footballguy
What do you think the fan base sends in donations to the owners?You're dodging the question and I'm not even sure you're right about revenue sharing regarding merchandise, certainly in terms of where the lion's share of such money goes. Regardless, the same rules apply to the Redskins. Why can't the Rooney's keep up with other teams without a salary cap when their organization has such a massive fan base?If the Steelers received the entire amount spent on Steelers merchandise than yes the Rooney's would spend money like Dan Snyder, but all teams have to share the revenue from merchandise sales.That's what I mean though. I'm referring to the prior poster's statement (perhaps wrong-headed) about the Steelers needing to extend contracts before the uncapped year for fear of not being able to compete without a salary cap, and I don't understand that with that particular organization.
T Bell
Footballguy
I truly hope I'm not dealing with the best and the brightest of Steelers fans here. I'll wait on the Monday crowd I guess.What do you think the fan base sends in donations to the owners?You're dodging the question and I'm not even sure you're right about revenue sharing regarding merchandise, certainly in terms of where the lion's share of such money goes. Regardless, the same rules apply to the Redskins. Why can't the Rooney's keep up with other teams without a salary cap when their organization has such a massive fan base?If the Steelers received the entire amount spent on Steelers merchandise than yes the Rooney's would spend money like Dan Snyder, but all teams have to share the revenue from merchandise sales.That's what I mean though. I'm referring to the prior poster's statement (perhaps wrong-headed) about the Steelers needing to extend contracts before the uncapped year for fear of not being able to compete without a salary cap, and I don't understand that with that particular organization.
Irish
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Who's dodging questions?T Bell said:I truly hope I'm not dealing with the best and the brightest of Steelers fans here. I'll wait on the Monday crowd I guess.Irish said:What do you think the fan base sends in donations to the owners?T Bell said:You're dodging the question and I'm not even sure you're right about revenue sharing regarding merchandise, certainly in terms of where the lion's share of such money goes. Regardless, the same rules apply to the Redskins. Why can't the Rooney's keep up with other teams without a salary cap when their organization has such a massive fan base?Irish said:If the Steelers received the entire amount spent on Steelers merchandise than yes the Rooney's would spend money like Dan Snyder, but all teams have to share the revenue from merchandise sales.T Bell said:That's what I mean though. I'm referring to the prior poster's statement (perhaps wrong-headed) about the Steelers needing to extend contracts before the uncapped year for fear of not being able to compete without a salary cap, and I don't understand that with that particular organization.Grid71 said:
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
The Rooney's business IS the Steelers and they spend frugally, but not miserly, within their ability to do so from their football related revenue sources. Dan Snyder's money does not come from football operations and he's shown a willingness to spend more because he has non-football related revenue. Just because the Steelers have a very large fan base does not mean that the Steelers generate that much more revenue than other teams without the same base.T Bell said:I truly hope I'm not dealing with the best and the brightest of Steelers fans here. I'll wait on the Monday crowd I guess.Irish said:What do you think the fan base sends in donations to the owners?T Bell said:You're dodging the question and I'm not even sure you're right about revenue sharing regarding merchandise, certainly in terms of where the lion's share of such money goes. Regardless, the same rules apply to the Redskins. Why can't the Rooney's keep up with other teams without a salary cap when their organization has such a massive fan base?Irish said:If the Steelers received the entire amount spent on Steelers merchandise than yes the Rooney's would spend money like Dan Snyder, but all teams have to share the revenue from merchandise sales.T Bell said:That's what I mean though. I'm referring to the prior poster's statement (perhaps wrong-headed) about the Steelers needing to extend contracts before the uncapped year for fear of not being able to compete without a salary cap, and I don't understand that with that particular organization.Grid71 said:
Can't we just agree that the Steelers spend their money wisely? Proved it year after year, I stopped questioning the rooney's years ago, they seem to know what to do.The Rooney's business IS the Steelers and they spend frugally, but not miserly, within their ability to do so from their football related revenue sources. Dan Snyder's money does not come from football operations and he's shown a willingness to spend more because he has non-football related revenue. Just because the Steelers have a very large fan base does not mean that the Steelers generate that much more revenue than other teams without the same base.T Bell said:I truly hope I'm not dealing with the best and the brightest of Steelers fans here. I'll wait on the Monday crowd I guess.Irish said:What do you think the fan base sends in donations to the owners?T Bell said:You're dodging the question and I'm not even sure you're right about revenue sharing regarding merchandise, certainly in terms of where the lion's share of such money goes. Regardless, the same rules apply to the Redskins. Why can't the Rooney's keep up with other teams without a salary cap when their organization has such a massive fan base?Irish said:If the Steelers received the entire amount spent on Steelers merchandise than yes the Rooney's would spend money like Dan Snyder, but all teams have to share the revenue from merchandise sales.T Bell said:That's what I mean though. I'm referring to the prior poster's statement (perhaps wrong-headed) about the Steelers needing to extend contracts before the uncapped year for fear of not being able to compete without a salary cap, and I don't understand that with that particular organization.Grid71 said:
T Bell
Footballguy
Pretty much all of Snyder's money is sunk into the team, and the team turns a profit year after year as I understand it. I don't believe that any external ventures he runs in the entertainment industry, for example, pay for the Redskins operations. The Redskins are self-sufficient, self-contained. As for the Rooneys, they have a new stadium, just won a championship, and have that huge fan base. It's not like the Rooneys have mortgaged their team to the hilt, have they? I've always figured that their organization was essentially "paid for" for many decades. In other words I just don't see an inherent advantage that the Redskins would have over the Steelers in an uncapped situation. Over the Bills or the Chiefs? Sure. But not the Steelers.The Rooney's business IS the Steelers and they spend frugally, but not miserly, within their ability to do so from their football related revenue sources. Dan Snyder's money does not come from football operations and he's shown a willingness to spend more because he has non-football related revenue. Just because the Steelers have a very large fan base does not mean that the Steelers generate that much more revenue than other teams without the same base.T Bell said:I truly hope I'm not dealing with the best and the brightest of Steelers fans here. I'll wait on the Monday crowd I guess.Irish said:What do you think the fan base sends in donations to the owners?T Bell said:You're dodging the question and I'm not even sure you're right about revenue sharing regarding merchandise, certainly in terms of where the lion's share of such money goes. Regardless, the same rules apply to the Redskins. Why can't the Rooney's keep up with other teams without a salary cap when their organization has such a massive fan base?Irish said:If the Steelers received the entire amount spent on Steelers merchandise than yes the Rooney's would spend money like Dan Snyder, but all teams have to share the revenue from merchandise sales.T Bell said:That's what I mean though. I'm referring to the prior poster's statement (perhaps wrong-headed) about the Steelers needing to extend contracts before the uncapped year for fear of not being able to compete without a salary cap, and I don't understand that with that particular organization.Grid71 said:
And I'm not being critical here. I respect the way the Steelers handle themselves, and their moderate approach to personnel has served them very well in the salary cap era. I just don't think it's accurate to cast them as a "small market team" that can't compete in an uncapped NFL.
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Irish
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All teams share equally in team merchandise revenue except the Cowboys. They pulled out of the agreement and keep all revenue from Cowboys merchandise.T Bell said:You're dodging the question and I'm not even sure you're right about revenue sharing regarding merchandise, certainly in terms of where the lion's share of such money goes. Regardless, the same rules apply to the Redskins. Why can't the Rooney's keep up with other teams without a salary cap when their organization has such a massive fan base?Irish said:If the Steelers received the entire amount spent on Steelers merchandise than yes the Rooney's would spend money like Dan Snyder, but all teams have to share the revenue from merchandise sales.T Bell said:That's what I mean though. I'm referring to the prior poster's statement (perhaps wrong-headed) about the Steelers needing to extend contracts before the uncapped year for fear of not being able to compete without a salary cap, and I don't understand that with that particular organization.Grid71 said:
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
No one agrees or disagrees with my earlier post? His value is even lower than I suspected.
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
If the Vikings can't land Houshmandzadeh, then I think they make a push for Washington, if he doesn't sign with Tennessee.
H8fulHuck
Footballguy
I like Nate as a guy who can stretch the field. However, he isn't even the greatest #3 IMHO because I'd prefer a great possession receiver to help you gain that 3rd down in the clutch. Fortunately, Hines excels in this area for us.Maybe a team will bite, but they probably won't at the asking price.
I think we will know more about the WR marketplace after Housh and Coles sign. But, I would be surprised if he signed for more money than Michael Clayton. And, he could see Brandon Jones money. This could be one of those situations like Hackett (who only got a $3.5M/2 yr deal) where no one is willing to give him much. Also, do you think it is telling that the Steelers have not made him an offer, even a lowball one?
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
Hijack. Actually the Steelers are at the cap every year. They aren't able to offer the signing bonuses/upfront money that teams like Washington and Dallas are so that hurts them in free agency and in maneuvering the cap year-to-year. For a variety of reasons the Steelers don't have the revenue streams of teams like WAS and DAL (gate receipts, stadium sponsorships, luxury suites, local TV/radio, outside ventures, etc.). Here is the Forbes 2008 breakdown of the Steelers valuation with revenue streams/expenses.http://www.forbes.com/lists/2008/30/sports...ers_305046.htmlT Bell said:How is it that the Steelers have such a large fan base and such a small budget? Can anyone explain that to me?Grid71 said:
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