*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (6 Viewers)

[Juxtatarot]

If he wins, the money will come. I agree that his behavior is that of a jerk, but unfortunately there is no real reason to change. If he was going to change, it would have happened already.

Jordan was a jerk as well and didn't think that hurt him. James has made incredible money for not even winning a championship and his support system is fine.

Jordan maintained a popular public image despite some negative criticisms from the media. Jordan never had a bad reputation like LeBron does now.

LeBron's rep to date hasn't seem to hurt him financially.

Any new national endorsements since he signed with the Heat?

 

[cubd8]

Really two years with third year only 1 mil guaranteed. Good contract.

I didn't realize the 3rd year was not guaranteed. He's probably lucky to have gotten a 2 year guaranteed deal given that he's primarily a jump shooter at this stage of his career, and doesn't offer much in terms of defense.

Then why were a lot of teams interested in him? Seems like he's a great fit in Rick's Rockets system. It's not like anyone expects him to be a 20/10 guy or anything. Solid backup C.

The Bulls wanted to bring him back, and I think they were hesitant to give him a 2 year deal. Chicago was looking for veteran insurance because they view Omer Asik as taking over that job during the season.

 

[Walton Goggins]

If he wins, the money will come. I agree that his behavior is that of a jerk, but unfortunately there is no real reason to change. If he was going to change, it would have happened already.

Jordan was a jerk as well and didn't think that hurt him. James has made incredible money for not even winning a championship and his support system is fine.

Jordan maintained a popular public image despite some negative criticisms from the media. Jordan never had a bad reputation like LeBron does now.

LeBron's rep to date hasn't seem to hurt him financially.

Any new national endorsements since he signed with the Heat?

Do you honestly think he won't get anymore?If Kobe can get them...

 

[Walton Goggins]

Really two years with third year only 1 mil guaranteed. Good contract.

I didn't realize the 3rd year was not guaranteed. He's probably lucky to have gotten a 2 year guaranteed deal given that he's primarily a jump shooter at this stage of his career, and doesn't offer much in terms of defense.

Then why were a lot of teams interested in him? Seems like he's a great fit in Rick's Rockets system. It's not like anyone expects him to be a 20/10 guy or anything. Solid backup C.

The Bulls wanted to bring him back, and I think they were hesitant to give him a 2 year deal. Chicago was looking for veteran insurance because they view Omer Asik as taking over that job during the season.

Miller had spoken throughout the process to Atlanta, Chicago, Boston, Denver and Miami, with several filling their needs at the position or spending their mid-level exceptions.

“It was too good of a deal to pass up,” Miller told the Chicago Tribune. “It’s my favorite coach I’ve ever played for. I know Kevin (Martin) real well from our Sacramento days. (Luis) Scola had a heck of a year. And I finally get to play with Yao instead of guarding his big butt. The team is pretty solid.”

“We know him really well,” Adelman said. “You’re talking about someone that can back up Yao and someone that can be a very positive force on the floor. And I think he can really help make our other players better. We can run a lot of stuff through him.

“He’s such a smart player. You know he’s played well with Kevin in the past. He can help there. I think he can help our young guys. He’s a very savvy big guy that can do a lot of things.”

 

[Mr. PadresLakers]

Do you honestly think he won't get anymore?

If Kobe can get them...

Not as much as he would have

 

[Walton Goggins]

Do you honestly think he won't get anymore?

If Kobe can get them...

Not as much as he would have

Speculation link ? huh

 

[Kev4029]

Really two years with third year only 1 mil guaranteed. Good contract.

Five million dollars for 8.8 points on 43% shooting (TS of .530 good for 41st/59 centers) , 4.9 rebounds (51st/59 centers), 0.4 blocks (second lowest rate of blocks for a center in the NBA), 1.9 assists all in 24 mpg. That seems like an abysmal contract when you consider he is a bad defender and hes 34 years old so hes going to continue to get worse. The Rockets could have gotten Malik Allen, Kurt Thomas, or Joe Smith to offer similar production and skills for at or near the minimum on a one year contract.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Do you honestly think he won't get anymore?If Kobe can get them...

He'll get more but I don't think companies will be knocking down his door like they once were. I assume Nike, Sprite, McDonalds, etc., aren't happy with him right now.

 

[Mr. PadresLakers]

Do you honestly think he won't get anymore?

If Kobe can get them...

Not as much as he would have

Speculation link ? huh

Speculation link vs pure speculation? What is your source? Are you his agent/accountant?

 

[Walton Goggins]

Really two years with third year only 1 mil guaranteed. Good contract.

Five million dollars for 8.8 points on 43% shooting (TS of .530 good for 41st/59 centers) , 4.9 rebounds (51st/59 centers), 0.4 blocks (second lowest rate of blocks for a center in the NBA), 1.9 assists all in 24 mpg. That seems like an abysmal contract when you consider he is a bad defender and hes 34 years old so hes going to continue to get worse. The Rockets could have gotten Malik Allen, Kurt Thomas, or Joe Smith to offer similar production and skills for at or near the minimum on a one year contract.

not accounting for him going back to Rick's system where his numbers should go up, worst case this year and next they can cut him but a solid backup C

 

[Walton Goggins]

Do you honestly think he won't get anymore?

If Kobe can get them...

Not as much as he would have

Speculation link ? huh

Speculation link vs pure speculation? What is your source? Are you his agent/accountant?

That link was just a guess in him taking a hit. Unless he pulls something on a Tiger like level he'll be fine.

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

Do you honestly think he won't get anymore?

If Kobe can get them...

Not as much as he would have

Do you subscribe to some sort of newsletter or something?

 

[Mr. PadresLakers]

Do you honestly think he won't get anymore?

If Kobe can get them...

Not as much as he would have

Speculation link ? huh

Speculation link vs pure speculation? What is your source? Are you his agent/accountant?

That link was just a guess in him taking a hit. Unless he pulls something on a Tiger like level he'll be fine.

And your comment was just a guess that he wouldn't take one. The article is backed by statistics and studies and your comment was based on what exactly?

 

[Kev4029]

Really two years with third year only 1 mil guaranteed. Good contract.

Five million dollars for 8.8 points on 43% shooting (TS of .530 good for 41st/59 centers) , 4.9 rebounds (51st/59 centers), 0.4 blocks (second lowest rate of blocks for a center in the NBA), 1.9 assists all in 24 mpg. That seems like an abysmal contract when you consider he is a bad defender and hes 34 years old so hes going to continue to get worse. The Rockets could have gotten Malik Allen, Kurt Thomas, or Joe Smith to offer similar production and skills for at or near the minimum on a one year contract.

not accounting for him going back to Rick's system where his numbers should go up, worst case this year and next they can cut him but a solid backup C

Is Adelman's system going to make him a better defender, shooter, or rebounder? I doubt it, his stats may increase but it will only be because of opportunity, not because of any increased efficiency.

 

[Walton Goggins]

And your comment was just a guess that he wouldn't take one. The article is backed by statistics and studies and your comment was based on what exactly?

Can't compare anything that Lebron's done over the last few weeks. This is unprecedented and even the link you provided there's a "?" at the end of the heading. I'm basing it off that they'll win, play more games on TV, play in Miami vs horrid Cleveland and with Wade.

 

[cubd8]

Really two years with third year only 1 mil guaranteed. Good contract.

I didn't realize the 3rd year was not guaranteed. He's probably lucky to have gotten a 2 year guaranteed deal given that he's primarily a jump shooter at this stage of his career, and doesn't offer much in terms of defense.

Then why were a lot of teams interested in him? Seems like he's a great fit in Rick's Rockets system. It's not like anyone expects him to be a 20/10 guy or anything. Solid backup C.

The Bulls wanted to bring him back, and I think they were hesitant to give him a 2 year deal. Chicago was looking for veteran insurance because they view Omer Asik as taking over that job during the season.

Miller had spoken throughout the process to Atlanta, Chicago, Boston, Denver and Miami, with several filling their needs at the position or spending their mid-level exceptions.

“It was too good of a deal to pass up,” Miller told the Chicago Tribune. “It’s my favorite coach I’ve ever played for. I know Kevin (Martin) real well from our Sacramento days. (Luis) Scola had a heck of a year. And I finally get to play with Yao instead of guarding his big butt. The team is pretty solid.”

“We know him really well,” Adelman said. “You’re talking about someone that can back up Yao and someone that can be a very positive force on the floor. And I think he can really help make our other players better. We can run a lot of stuff through him.

“He’s such a smart player. You know he’s played well with Kevin in the past. He can help there. I think he can help our young guys. He’s a very savvy big guy that can do a lot of things.”

Other teams talked with him, but it came down to Houston and Chicago.

 

[Celph Titled]

This is some interesting stuff:

"As Wesley worked front offices, his stature started to rise out of the subculture of the sport and into mainstream news coverage. Carter wanted credibility beyond the public perception of him as merely James’ childhood buddy, and ultimately he could no longer hide his jealousy when Wesley started to get too much public recognition for packaging the players in free agency. Privately, everyone in the circle knew James was leaving Cleveland, and it would be harder for his Akron guys to get credit for the deal."

This Maverick Carter guy seems like pretty much the worst possible guy to be managing James.

How's James doing so far?

Every week, you ascend to baffling new heights of idiocy.Granted, technically speaking, Carter probably isn't the worst guy for James. He could've hired someone who would've clandestinely gotten him hooked on heroin, took pictures of him in compromising acts with dudes while nodding off, and then bilked him dry via blackmail. I guess that would be worse.

 

[thecatch]

Really two years with third year only 1 mil guaranteed. Good contract.

Five million dollars for 8.8 points on 43% shooting (TS of .530 good for 41st/59 centers) , 4.9 rebounds (51st/59 centers), 0.4 blocks (second lowest rate of blocks for a center in the NBA), 1.9 assists all in 24 mpg. That seems like an abysmal contract when you consider he is a bad defender and hes 34 years old so hes going to continue to get worse. The Rockets could have gotten Malik Allen, Kurt Thomas, or Joe Smith to offer similar production and skills for at or near the minimum on a one year contract.

not accounting for him going back to Rick's system where his numbers should go up, worst case this year and next they can cut him but a solid backup C

Is Adelman's system going to make him a better defender, shooter, or rebounder? I doubt it, his stats may increase but it will only be because of opportunity, not because of any increased efficiency.

Those guys you mentioned don't have the skills to run the offense from the high post like Miller does, which is what Adelman wants. Miller's per 36 numbers are comparable to J. O'Neal, who got the full midlevel for 2 years. I'm honestly baffled as to why anyone would single essentially a 2 year deal like this out as one of the particularly poor ones given out this summer.

 

[Walton Goggins]

This is some interesting stuff:

"As Wesley worked front offices, his stature started to rise out of the subculture of the sport and into mainstream news coverage. Carter wanted credibility beyond the public perception of him as merely James’ childhood buddy, and ultimately he could no longer hide his jealousy when Wesley started to get too much public recognition for packaging the players in free agency. Privately, everyone in the circle knew James was leaving Cleveland, and it would be harder for his Akron guys to get credit for the deal."

This Maverick Carter guy seems like pretty much the worst possible guy to be managing James.

How's James doing so far?

Every week, you ascend to baffling new heights of idiocy.Granted, technically speaking, Carter probably isn't the worst guy for James. He could've hired someone who would've clandestinely gotten him hooked on heroin, took pictures of him in compromising acts with dudes while nodding off, and then bilked him dry via blackmail. I guess that would be worse.

Again up to today, how is James doing?

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Again up to today, how is James doing?

Not as well as he could be doing if he had a better manager.

 

[boubucarow]

This is some interesting stuff:

"As Wesley worked front offices, his stature started to rise out of the subculture of the sport and into mainstream news coverage. Carter wanted credibility beyond the public perception of him as merely James’ childhood buddy, and ultimately he could no longer hide his jealousy when Wesley started to get too much public recognition for packaging the players in free agency. Privately, everyone in the circle knew James was leaving Cleveland, and it would be harder for his Akron guys to get credit for the deal."

This Maverick Carter guy seems like pretty much the worst possible guy to be managing James.

How's James doing so far?

Every week, you ascend to baffling new heights of idiocy.Granted, technically speaking, Carter probably isn't the worst guy for James. He could've hired someone who would've clandestinely gotten him hooked on heroin, took pictures of him in compromising acts with dudes while nodding off, and then bilked him dry via blackmail. I guess that would be worse.

Again up to today, how is James doing?

He could be almost universally liked and respected. He could be in a better position to become the GOAT. The man would be rich anyways and could have been on a championship contender in other situations. It was a hard situation to mess up completely. His manager/advisors don't deserve much credit what was gained when James was capable of attaining more than he did.

 

[Major]

Veteran center Brad Miller has agreed to a three-year contract worth nearly$15 million with the Houston Rockets, according to sources with knowledge of the situation. The third year of the contract is partially guaranteed, sources said

Always been a fan. Like this move given Yao's history.

More info, not a bad contract at all.The contract is worth roughly $5 million over each of three seasons. In the third season, only $1 million is guaranteed.

3 years is a LONG time for Brad Miller. Bad contract.

Filled a huge hole for the Rockets at backup center. The Rockets are probably the deepest team in the league. Well balanced and not top heavy.

 

[Walton Goggins]

Again up to today, how is James doing?

Not as well as he could be doing if he had a better manager.

So what endorsements did he not get up to date because of this manager or would have got if he had a better manager?

 

[Walton Goggins]

This is some interesting stuff:

"As Wesley worked front offices, his stature started to rise out of the subculture of the sport and into mainstream news coverage. Carter wanted credibility beyond the public perception of him as merely James’ childhood buddy, and ultimately he could no longer hide his jealousy when Wesley started to get too much public recognition for packaging the players in free agency. Privately, everyone in the circle knew James was leaving Cleveland, and it would be harder for his Akron guys to get credit for the deal."

This Maverick Carter guy seems like pretty much the worst possible guy to be managing James.

How's James doing so far?

Every week, you ascend to baffling new heights of idiocy.Granted, technically speaking, Carter probably isn't the worst guy for James. He could've hired someone who would've clandestinely gotten him hooked on heroin, took pictures of him in compromising acts with dudes while nodding off, and then bilked him dry via blackmail. I guess that would be worse.

Again up to today, how is James doing?

He could be almost universally liked and respected. He could be in a better position to become the GOAT. The man would be rich anyways and could have been on a championship contender in other situations. It was a hard situation to mess up completely. His manager/advisors don't deserve much credit what was gained when James was capable of attaining more than he did.

Was/Is Kobe universally liked? Some players may not care to be universally liked and respected from people they'll never even know.

 

[Premier]

Are we really talking about Lebron's endorsements that he may or may not have received in the past 10 days?

 

[Walton Goggins]

Filled a huge hole for the Rockets at backup center. The Rockets are probably the deepest team in the league. Well balanced and not top heavy.

Someone brought up in another website that the Rockets were the best in the West in being two deep in every position. This of course IF (HUGE IF here) Yao can stay healthy

 

[Kev4029]

Really two years with third year only 1 mil guaranteed. Good contract.

Five million dollars for 8.8 points on 43% shooting (TS of .530 good for 41st/59 centers) , 4.9 rebounds (51st/59 centers), 0.4 blocks (second lowest rate of blocks for a center in the NBA), 1.9 assists all in 24 mpg. That seems like an abysmal contract when you consider he is a bad defender and hes 34 years old so hes going to continue to get worse. The Rockets could have gotten Malik Allen, Kurt Thomas, or Joe Smith to offer similar production and skills for at or near the minimum on a one year contract.

not accounting for him going back to Rick's system where his numbers should go up, worst case this year and next they can cut him but a solid backup C

Is Adelman's system going to make him a better defender, shooter, or rebounder? I doubt it, his stats may increase but it will only be because of opportunity, not because of any increased efficiency.

Those guys you mentioned don't have the skills to run the offense from the high post like Miller does, which is what Adelman wants. Miller's per 36 numbers are comparable to J. O'Neal, who got the full midlevel for 2 years. I'm honestly baffled as to why anyone would single essentially a 2 year deal like this out as one of the particularly poor ones given out this summer.

He is so slow at this point of his career all but the slowest of centers can play him tight defending his passing and short jumper because he can't get around them so he is no longer anywhere near as effective as he once was from the high post. He shot 43% percent last year and 35% outside of the immediate basket area, if you want that running your high post have at it. O'Neal was a MUCH better signing, he rebounds better, scores much better and his defense is still very good. On top of that he is 3 years younger and has been and will continue to be the better athlete. To compare O'Neal to Miller at essentially the same price is asinine.To the guys saying Houston is very deep (its a true statement), part of that is driven because they have a team full of 6th man talents (Battier, Ariza, Brooks, Lowry, Budinger). They really need a couple guys who can excel both offensively and defensively (not sure they have one on the roster, maybe Lowry), and they either need to move Brooks to a bench role or trade him for a real point guard. Doesn't matter if you're deep if you don't have much top flight talent.

 

[Major]

To the guys saying Houston is very deep (its a true statement), part of that is driven because they have a team full of 6th man talents (Battier, Ariza, Brooks, Lowry, Budinger). They really need a couple guys who can excel both offensively and defensively (not sure they have one on the roster, maybe Lowry), and they either need to move Brooks to a bench role or trade him for a real point guard. Doesn't matter if you're deep if you don't have much top flight talent.

Maybe on New Orleans, Utah, Chicago and Boston.

 

[Walton Goggins]

Again up to today, how is James doing?

Not as well as he could be doing if he had a better manager.

No one did better at least through 2008 http://jonesonthenba.com/2008/06/top-nba-p...igures-for.html

Couldn't find anything more recent

 

[Mr. PadresLakers]

Again up to today, how is James doing?

Not as well as he could be doing if he had a better manager.

No one did better at least through 2008 http://jonesonthenba.com/2008/06/top-nba-p...igures-for.html

Couldn't find anything more recent

"but majority of deals done by goodwin sports"

 

[thecatch]

He is so slow at this point of his career all but the slowest of centers can play him tight defending his passing and short jumper because he can't get around them so he is no longer anywhere near as effective as he once was from the high post. He shot 43% percent last year and 35% outside of the immediate basket area, if you want that running your high post have at it. O'Neal was a MUCH better signing, he rebounds better, scores much better and his defense is still very good. On top of that he is 3 years younger and has been and will continue to be the better athlete. To compare O'Neal to Miller at essentially the same price is asinine.

I think you are confusing "Brad Miller not being a good player" and "Brad Miller being the worst signing of the summer." Who cares that O'neal is younger? He's got far more minutes and games played on his knees, which are both completely shot. O'Neal's true shooting % was 56% compared to Miller's 53%, and I think you could anticipate a moderate bump for Miller being back in an offense that was basically designed for his talents. O'Neal's rebounding rate was better but not unbelievably so. Would rather have O'Neal, but it's not like that was a good value signing either. Speaking of big guys who can't rebound, or pass, and are a black hole on offense ... enjoy the Al Harrington era! Brandon Haywood got $55m. The list goes on. I'm not defending Miller the player but it's definitely not a signing that will kill you.

 

[Walton Goggins]

Again up to today, how is James doing?

Not as well as he could be doing if he had a better manager.

No one did better at least through 2008 http://jonesonthenba.com/2008/06/top-nba-p...igures-for.html

Couldn't find anything more recent

"but majority of deals done by goodwin sports"

CP3 signed with Bron's marketing firm. Again, where is this loss of marketing opportunities? I could only find through 2008 which he was #1.

 

[Walton Goggins]

He is so slow at this point of his career all but the slowest of centers can play him tight defending his passing and short jumper because he can't get around them so he is no longer anywhere near as effective as he once was from the high post. He shot 43% percent last year and 35% outside of the immediate basket area, if you want that running your high post have at it.

O'Neal was a MUCH better signing, he rebounds better, scores much better and his defense is still very good. On top of that he is 3 years younger and has been and will continue to be the better athlete. To compare O'Neal to Miller at essentially the same price is asinine.

I think you are confusing "Brad Miller not being a good player" and "Brad Miller being the worst signing of the summer." Who cares that O'neal is younger? He's got far more minutes and games played on his knees, which are both completely shot. O'Neal's true shooting % was 56% compared to Miller's 53%, and I think you could anticipate a moderate bump for Miller being back in an offense that was basically designed for his talents. O'Neal's rebounding rate was better but not unbelievably so. Would rather have O'Neal, but it's not like that was a good value signing either. Speaking of big guys who can't rebound, or pass, and are a black hole on offense ... enjoy the Al Harrington era! Brandon Haywood got $55m. The list goes on. I'm not defending Miller the player but it's definitely not a signing that will kill you.

Exactly. How can a player who has two year guarantee for 5m be considered a signing that kills your team? JJ is a "contract killer" not BM. Morey looks like he has the Rockets set up fairly nicely and with a lot of flexibility.The partially guaranteed deals are notable. Consider that the rockets will have a partially guaranteed ending deal in each of the next four years:

David Andersen 2011

Cap Value: 2.685 million

Guaranteed value: 185K

Brad Miller 2012

Cap Value: 5 million

Guaranteed value: 1 million

Kyle Lowry 2013

Cap Value: 6.25 million

Guaranteed value: 1 million

Luis Scola 2014

Cap Value: 11 million

Guaranteed value: TBD based on games played and rockets wins

That'll give Morey a lot of options to work with in the coming years.

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

Again up to today, how is James doing?

Not as well as he could be doing if he had a better manager.

No one did better at least through 2008 http://jonesonthenba.com/2008/06/top-nba-p...igures-for.html

Couldn't find anything more recent

"but majority of deals done by goodwin sports"

CP3 signed with Bron's marketing firm. Again, where is this loss of marketing opportunities? I could only find through 2008 which he was #1.

Just to be clear, you are saying that all of the bad publicity that Lebron and his management has brought into their camp is good for his image and will make him the maximum amount of money possible?

 

[Walton Goggins]

Just to be clear, you are saying that all of the bad publicity that Lebron and his management has brought into their camp is good for his image and will make him the maximum amount of money possible?

I'm am arguing to the people who say his boys influence has hurt the amount of money he'll be able to earn or failed to earn. I was able to pull up a link that showed in at least 2008 he was #1 on the list but haven't been able to find anything for 2009 and 2010. Unless he pulls a Tiger like situation I can't see how his earning potential will suffer.

 

[Sammy3469]

Just to be clear, you are saying that all of the bad publicity that Lebron and his management has brought into their camp is good for his image and will make him the maximum amount of money possible?

I'm am arguing to the people who say his boys influence has hurt the amount of money he'll be able to earn or failed to earn. I was able to pull up a link that showed in at least 2008 he was #1 on the list but haven't been able to find anything for 2009 and 2010. Unless he pulls a Tiger like situation I can't see how his earning potential will suffer.

Seriously?

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Just to be clear, you are saying that all of the bad publicity that Lebron and his management has brought into their camp is good for his image and will make him the maximum amount of money possible?

I'm am arguing to the people who say his boys influence has hurt the amount of money he'll be able to earn or failed to earn. I was able to pull up a link that showed in at least 2008 he was #1 on the list but haven't been able to find anything for 2009 and 2010. Unless he pulls a Tiger like situation I can't see how his earning potential will suffer.

Seriously?

He's already refuted that as being speculation

Stay Gold Goggins, Stay Gold

 

[Walton Goggins]

Just to be clear, you are saying that all of the bad publicity that Lebron and his management has brought into their camp is good for his image and will make him the maximum amount of money possible?

I'm am arguing to the people who say his boys influence has hurt the amount of money he'll be able to earn or failed to earn. I was able to pull up a link that showed in at least 2008 he was #1 on the list but haven't been able to find anything for 2009 and 2010. Unless he pulls a Tiger like situation I can't see how his earning potential will suffer.

Seriously?

OK so #1 in the NBA for 2008 an 2009.

James earned $28 million from endorsements in 2009, behind only golfers Tiger Woods and Phil Mickelson. And James's 'Q' rating -- a measure of the number of people who both know him and view him favorably -- was a 34, placing him behind only quaterbacks Peyton Manning and Brett Favre, and Olympians Shaun White and Apolo Anton Ohno among active athletes.

 

[Walton Goggins]

Just to be clear, you are saying that all of the bad publicity that Lebron and his management has brought into their camp is good for his image and will make him the maximum amount of money possible?

I'm am arguing to the people who say his boys influence has hurt the amount of money he'll be able to earn or failed to earn. I was able to pull up a link that showed in at least 2008 he was #1 on the list but haven't been able to find anything for 2009 and 2010. Unless he pulls a Tiger like situation I can't see how his earning potential will suffer.

Seriously?

He's already refuted that as being speculation

Stay Gold Goggins, Stay Gold

Where's the proof in that article that shows Bron has lost $???

 

[Walton Goggins]

Anyone else hearing about an Iggy to Rockets deal heating up?

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Just to be clear, you are saying that all of the bad publicity that Lebron and his management has brought into their camp is good for his image and will make him the maximum amount of money possible?

I'm am arguing to the people who say his boys influence has hurt the amount of money he'll be able to earn or failed to earn. I was able to pull up a link that showed in at least 2008 he was #1 on the list but haven't been able to find anything for 2009 and 2010. Unless he pulls a Tiger like situation I can't see how his earning potential will suffer.

Seriously?

He's already refuted that as being speculation

Stay Gold Goggins, Stay Gold

Where's the proof in that article that shows Bron has lost $???

:shakeshead:

 

[Balco]

Just to be clear, you are saying that all of the bad publicity that Lebron and his management has brought into their camp is good for his image and will make him the maximum amount of money possible?

I'm am arguing to the people who say his boys influence has hurt the amount of money he'll be able to earn or failed to earn. I was able to pull up a link that showed in at least 2008 he was #1 on the list but haven't been able to find anything for 2009 and 2010. Unless he pulls a Tiger like situation I can't see how his earning potential will suffer.

Seriously?

OK so #1 in the NBA for 2008 an 2009.

James earned $28 million from endorsements in 2009, behind only golfers Tiger Woods and Phil Mickelson. And James's 'Q' rating -- a measure of the number of people who both know him and view him favorably -- was a 34, placing him behind only quaterbacks Peyton Manning and Brett Favre, and Olympians Shaun White and Apolo Anton Ohno among active athletes.

Who knows if he will lose money, but that Q rating is sure to go down now, no? After his publicity stunt, and terrible handling of leaving Cleveland?

 

[Kev4029]

To the guys saying Houston is very deep (its a true statement), part of that is driven because they have a team full of 6th man talents (Battier, Ariza, Brooks, Lowry, Budinger). They really need a couple guys who can excel both offensively and defensively (not sure they have one on the roster, maybe Lowry), and they either need to move Brooks to a bench role or trade him for a real point guard. Doesn't matter if you're deep if you don't have much top flight talent.

Maybe on New Orleans, Utah, Chicago and Boston.

Clearly me and you have very different views on brooks if you are considering him anywhere near the 5th best pg in the leauge. Brooks may be the smallest player in the nba other than earl boykins, he doesn't pass well or see the floor well, he can only guard the smallest of pgs and really other than his shooting/scoring (which he does very well) he offers little else on the court. This wouldn't be nearly the issue it is if he played on a team where players can find their own shot, but the rockets are mostly spot up shooters. Brooks is a shooting guard in a 15 year old boys body, so he would be much better served as a back up pg playing 25 minutes per game similar to lou williams or nate robinson.

 

[Mr. PadresLakers]

Good value for Raptors here...

STEIN_LINE_HQ Just filed to ESPN.com: Matt Barnes and Raptors closing in on two-year deal in $10 million range. Will be completed TUES barring late snag

 

[Zigg]

Just to be clear, you are saying that all of the bad publicity that Lebron and his management has brought into their camp is good for his image and will make him the maximum amount of money possible?

I'm am arguing to the people who say his boys influence has hurt the amount of money he'll be able to earn or failed to earn. I was able to pull up a link that showed in at least 2008 he was #1 on the list but haven't been able to find anything for 2009 and 2010. Unless he pulls a Tiger like situation I can't see how his earning potential will suffer.

Seriously?

OK so #1 in the NBA for 2008 an 2009.

James earned $28 million from endorsements in 2009, behind only golfers Tiger Woods and Phil Mickelson. And James's 'Q' rating -- a measure of the number of people who both know him and view him favorably -- was a 34, placing him behind only quaterbacks Peyton Manning and Brett Favre, and Olympians Shaun White and Apolo Anton Ohno among active athletes.

Who knows if he will lose money, but that Q rating is sure to go down now, no? After his publicity stunt, and terrible handling of leaving Cleveland?

This will disappear once he starts playing ball again. The lack of any sporting news is keeping this active a little longer than usual, but a 25-2 start(and a 7-20 start for Cavs)to the season will erase all negative publicity from the decision.

 

[Premier]

Local speculation had Barnes going to Cleveland.

Glad to see him get paid.

 

[Abraham]

To the guys saying Houston is very deep (its a true statement), part of that is driven because they have a team full of 6th man talents (Battier, Ariza, Brooks, Lowry, Budinger). They really need a couple guys who can excel both offensively and defensively (not sure they have one on the roster, maybe Lowry), and they either need to move Brooks to a bench role or trade him for a real point guard. Doesn't matter if you're deep if you don't have much top flight talent.

Maybe on New Orleans, Utah, Chicago and Boston.

Clearly me and you have very different views on brooks if you are considering him anywhere near the 5th best pg in the leauge. Brooks may be the smallest player in the nba other than earl boykins, he doesn't pass well or see the floor well, he can only guard the smallest of pgs and really other than his shooting/scoring (which he does very well) he offers little else on the court. This wouldn't be nearly the issue it is if he played on a team where players can find their own shot, but the rockets are mostly spot up shooters. Brooks is a shooting guard in a 15 year old boys body, so he would be much better served as a back up pg playing 25 minutes per game similar to lou williams or nate robinson.

Brooks has some weaknesses but he is an above average defender and very good in transition d due to his qouickness. Obviously williams, paul, westbrook, rondo, rose, and wall are superior. Evans probably and Jennings as well. Maybe baron, bills, and parker if healthy. But I don't think I'm missing any clearly better pgs then brooks.Martinus a top 10 sg. Scola and Tao are top ten at their spots too assuming good health.

Houston is a very deep team but lacks the star power to win in the playoffs. I could see them getting the 2 or 3 seed and making a quick exit in the postseasin

 

[Juxtatarot]

This will disappear once he starts playing ball again. The lack of any sporting news is keeping this active a little longer than usual, but a 25-2 start(and a 7-20 start for Cavs)to the season will erase all negative publicity from the decision.

We'll see. I have my doubts.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Where's the proof in that article that shows Bron has lost $???

Where's the proof that the Mel Gibson tapes were altered?

 

[Mr. PadresLakers]

HOOPSWORLD CJ Watson agreed to a three year, $10.2 million deal with the Bulls. It will be a sign and trade with GS getting a 2nd round pick