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*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (3 Viewers)

If you are the Bucks, would you trade Jennings for Paul (knowing Paul would most likely not resign with Milwaukee). Just a conversation some friends and I had.
Wouldn't work for a Jennings for Paul trade.
It would if throw Redd in there.
14mm vs 20mm so wouldn't work and I am fairly sure the NO wants to dump OkaforSomething like Jennings + Redd + (Either Delfino or Ilyasova)for Okafor and Paul
The Hornets don't want a PG. If they trade Paul it is somewhat because they think Collison can be an above average PG.
It's because Paul wants out and if you can get quality players in return then you do it. Collison isn't a sure thing either.
 
If you are the Bucks, would you trade Jennings for Paul (knowing Paul would most likely not resign with Milwaukee). Just a conversation some friends and I had.
Wouldn't work for a Jennings for Paul trade.
It would if throw Redd in there.
The whole point of Paul wanting out is to go to a) a better market and b) a better team. Milwaukee is a step backwards, he wouldn't sign off on this. Not sure he'd do Houston either.
 
Ugh I really don't think Yao will ever come back to form and I know a lot of Rocket fans want to believe he'll be like Z and recover w/o issues again but this only confirms my feelings on Yao (and hope I'm wrong)

Yao Ming Might Never Be the Same Again "I have no idea if I can return the peak of my form," the seven-time All-star center told China Daily in an exclusive interview on Wednesday in Beijing. "I have not been tested. I have not played competitive basketball since the injury even in the training. I cannot answer if I will return to my best." […]

"The intensity of my training is going up gradually because at least I feel good about my injury," he said. "But talk about recovering my form is nothing but nonsense and will only be realized if I can get through the next season smoothly. Then, you will see results after that season."

There are a few things going on here. First, Yao is essentially telling his fans not to expect too much from him this year, both because he isn’t fully healthy and because it will take him time for him to get used to playing competitive basketball again. This is something the Rockets likely knew already, which puts their summer pursuit of Chris Bosh(notes) into new perspective. They weren’t only looking for a second star—they were trying to replace a potential loss in Yao’s production, too.

These comments from Yao also show that he’s, if not quite scared, then at least anxious about his future in the NBA. Right now, he’s not sure if he’ll play another six years or only be able to stay in the league for a few seasons. His future is very hazy right now, dependent on his health and the pounding that his body will be able to take even if he’s completely healthy. He may be able to return to stardom, or he could now be little more than a role player. As he says, it won’t be possible to predict his status until he gets back on the court.

It’s a tough time to be Yao Ming. Here’s wishing him luck.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=tsn-...ethesam20100722
 
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Leeroy Jenkins said:
Good move by lakers. Toronto and Cleveland both screw it up somehow and we wonder why lebron and bosh bolted.
They "screwed up" not signing Matt Barnes? OK. Maybe Toronto because of the cap botch. But I'd rather see Christian Eyenga starting in December for the Cavs than Matt Barnes.
 
Juxtatarot said:
Mr. PadresLakers said:
Probably less likely to resign him, if at all. I heard Bulls and Cavs linked to him.
Odd that those two teams have the most interest when those are the two teams he played for before the Lakers and they didn't give him much of a chance.
New GM, although he was under Ferry, and new coach. Scott wants to uptempo the Cavs, of course starting with good defense. Seems like a good fit. I said that a week or two ago.Mike Brown really never incorporated young players. A little with Hickson last year, but injuries had to do with that too. Shannon turned the ball over too much when he did get limited minutes. The Cavs have been in win now mode for years and that played into part of it. I'm not sure Shannon would have much ill-will towards them, he did get a ring.
 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
Good move by lakers. Toronto and Cleveland both screw it up somehow and we wonder why lebron and bosh bolted.
They "screwed up" not signing Matt Barnes? OK. Maybe Toronto because of the cap botch. But I'd rather see Christian Eyenga starting in December for the Cavs than Matt Barnes.
From a Toronto perspective, I'm overjoyed they didn't sign the guy. I hope all this talk is just an attempt by Colangelo to appease the fans. I've seen enough of Colangelo to believe he is smart enough to know that unless the team tanks for at least 2 years and gets high draft picks, there is no hope for the franchise. We might as well relocate to the US. Losing should be the only priority for the Raps - please don't screw that up Colangelo.
 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
Good move by lakers. Toronto and Cleveland both screw it up somehow and we wonder why lebron and bosh bolted.
They "screwed up" not signing Matt Barnes? OK. Maybe Toronto because of the cap botch. But I'd rather see Christian Eyenga starting in December for the Cavs than Matt Barnes.
From a Toronto perspective, I'm overjoyed they didn't sign the guy. I hope all this talk is just an attempt by Colangelo to appease the fans. I've seen enough of Colangelo to believe he is smart enough to know that unless the team tanks for at least 2 years and gets high draft picks, there is no hope for the franchise. We might as well relocate to the US. Losing should be the only priority for the Raps - please don't screw that up Colangelo.
Agreed. 1,000%
 
Juxtatarot said:
JMon348 said:
Bulls would be doing a great job if they could get Shannon Brown.

Rose, Watson

Brewer, Brown

Deng, Korver

Boozer, Gibson

Noah, Asik
As a Bulls fan, I have mixed feelings. Obviously he wouldn't hurt but I don't know how much he really adds. Brewer and Watson can do a lot of what Brown does. The Bulls could benefit more by adding a second wing to Korver that can hits threes.
I'd support a Shannon Brown over a TMac signing. Brown showed decent three-point shooting last year, making 62 of 189 attempts (as opposed to making 30 of 92 for the rest of his career combined) for 32.8%, which isn't awful. A lot of this probably has to do with receiving consistent minutes--last year he played 1,700 minutes, and he only played 917 minutes combined for the rest of his career. Brown is clearly trending upward, while McGrady is obviously on the far lower end of his career. I think I'd prefer Brown because he fits in nicely with the young core and I think he could develop into a very nice second option at the 2 guard.

That said, I do think they probably need another shooter. It's been rumored that the Sixers are listening to offers for Jason Kapono. That would be a very intriguing option if it's possible to work a deal for him (I think he has 1 year left on his deal for around 6.6 million, which I don't think we could take on without trading a piece back--cough James Johnson cough). Another option is Roger Mason, maybe Rasual Butler?

 
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That said, I do think they probably need another shooter. It's been rumored that the Sixers are listening to offers for Jason Kapono. That would be a very intriguing option if it's possible to work a deal for him (I think he has 1 year left on his deal for around 6.6 million, which I don't think we could take on without trading a piece back--cough James Johnson cough). Another option is Roger Mason, maybe Rasual Butler?
you don't want mason. trust me.:aspursfan:

 
The Hornets coach/GM/brass is meeting with Paul this morning (I think, could be tomorrow). I imagine he'll emerge with a new-found faith in the team and say the right things. ANd I imagine that he'll start grumbling again near the trade deadline at which point he'll be swapped.

 
That said, I do think they probably need another shooter. It's been rumored that the Sixers are listening to offers for Jason Kapono. That would be a very intriguing option if it's possible to work a deal for him (I think he has 1 year left on his deal for around 6.6 million, which I don't think we could take on without trading a piece back--cough James Johnson cough). Another option is Roger Mason, maybe Rasual Butler?
you don't want mason. trust me.:aspursfan:
:thumbup: Was he really that bad last year? I'll admit I didn't see many Spurs games.
 
That said, I do think they probably need another shooter. It's been rumored that the Sixers are listening to offers for Jason Kapono. That would be a very intriguing option if it's possible to work a deal for him (I think he has 1 year left on his deal for around 6.6 million, which I don't think we could take on without trading a piece back--cough James Johnson cough). Another option is Roger Mason, maybe Rasual Butler?
you don't want mason. trust me.:aspursfan:
;) Was he really that bad last year? I'll admit I didn't see many Spurs games.
Didn't he slump badly after an injury? I wonder if he might bounce back this year.
 
That said, I do think they probably need another shooter. It's been rumored that the Sixers are listening to offers for Jason Kapono. That would be a very intriguing option if it's possible to work a deal for him (I think he has 1 year left on his deal for around 6.6 million, which I don't think we could take on without trading a piece back--cough James Johnson cough). Another option is Roger Mason, maybe Rasual Butler?
you don't want mason. trust me.:aspursfan:
;) Was he really that bad last year? I'll admit I didn't see many Spurs games.
he lost his shooting touch, i thought. he doesn't bring much to the table beyond that. now his minutes did get jerked around but Pop isn't prone to whimsy. If a player can't contribute then they ride the pine.
 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
Good move by lakers. Toronto and Cleveland both screw it up somehow and we wonder why lebron and bosh bolted.
They "screwed up" not signing Matt Barnes? OK. Maybe Toronto because of the cap botch. But I'd rather see Christian Eyenga starting in December for the Cavs than Matt Barnes.
Well not screwed up I guess, but the fact that another guy doesn't want to play there even for something like $3M more isn't good.
 
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Leeroy Jenkins said:
Good move by lakers. Toronto and Cleveland both screw it up somehow and we wonder why lebron and bosh bolted.
They "screwed up" not signing Matt Barnes? OK. Maybe Toronto because of the cap botch. But I'd rather see Christian Eyenga starting in December for the Cavs than Matt Barnes.
Well not screwed up I guess, but the fact that another guy doesn't want to play there even for something like $3M more isn't good.
Apparently winning means more than whatever it is he left on the table. At least he has a dollar figure for winning. If the Cavs upped the offer he likely would have signed from reports I've seen.
 
LAS VEGAS -- The Chicago Bulls have agreed to terms with free-agent big man Kurt Thomas, according to a source with knowledge of the deal.
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=5403367
2 years, just more than the veteran minimum. He's just old veteran insurance for Omer Asik as a backup big man.Bulls may have more depth than nearly any team in the league.
Bulls can afford to take more risks both on offense and defense - foul trouble is not much of a concern because there are legitimate back up players at every position. the heat have a thin bench and will have to play cautious defense, be less aggressive going for rebounds, and careful not to draw charges because they cannot afford to get into foul trouble. the bulls have better rebounding and defense, the heat are still better but the bulls have a good team to give them a run for the money. the 2nd and 3rd quarter should also be a good time for the bulls while the starters rest. -bulls

PG Derrick Rose - CJ Watson

SG Ronnie Brewer - Kyle Korver

SF Luol Deng - Kyle Korver - Ronnie Brewer - James Johnson

PF Carlos Boozer - Taj Gibson

C Joakim Noah - Kurt Thomas - Omer Asik

-heat

PG Mario Chalmers - Kenny Hasbrock

SG Dwyane Wade - D'Sean Butler

SF LeBron James - Mike Miller - James Jones

PF Chris Bosh - Udonis Haslem - Juwon Howard - Jarvis Varnado

C Zydrunis Ilgauskis - Jamaal Magloire - Joel Anthony - Dexter Pittman

I wonder who they add as the last guy, T-Mac, Roger Mason Jr or Eddie House?

 
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LAS VEGAS -- The Chicago Bulls have agreed to terms with free-agent big man Kurt Thomas, according to a source with knowledge of the deal.
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=5403367
2 years, just more than the veteran minimum. He's just old veteran insurance for Omer Asik as a backup big man.Bulls may have more depth than nearly any team in the league.
Wow, really good signing then. He can give solid minutes off the bench.
 
LAS VEGAS -- The Chicago Bulls have agreed to terms with free-agent big man Kurt Thomas, according to a source with knowledge of the deal.
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=5403367
2 years, just more than the veteran minimum. He's just old veteran insurance for Omer Asik as a backup big man.Bulls may have more depth than nearly any team in the league.
Bulls can afford to take more risks both on offense and defense - foul trouble is not much of a concern because there are legitimate back up players at every position. the heat have a thin bench and will have to play cautious defense, be less aggressive going for rebounds, and careful not to draw charges because they cannot afford to get into foul trouble. the bulls have better rebounding and defense, the heat are still better but the bulls have a good team to give them a run for the money. the 2nd and 3rd quarter should also be a good time for the bulls while the starters rest. -bulls

PG Derrick Rose - CJ Watson

SG Ronnie Brewer - Kyle Korver

SF Luol Deng - Kyle Korver - Ronnie Brewer - James Johnson

PF Carlos Boozer - Taj Gibson

C Joakim Noah - Kurt Thomas - Omer Asik

-heat

PG Mario Chalmers - Kenny Hasbrock

SG Dwyane Wade - D'Sean Butler

SF LeBron James - Mike Miller - James Jones

PF Chris Bosh - Udonis Haslem - Juwon Howard - Jarvis Varnado

C Zydrunis Ilgauskis - Jamaal Magloire - Joel Anthony - Dexter Pittman

I wonder if they will add T-Mac next?
THe Bulls have some great depth, but they need a scorer in that starting lineup. Noah, Brewer, and Deng are role players (and all solid at what they do).
 
LAS VEGAS -- The Chicago Bulls have agreed to terms with free-agent big man Kurt Thomas, according to a source with knowledge of the deal.
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=5403367
2 years, just more than the veteran minimum. He's just old veteran insurance for Omer Asik as a backup big man.Bulls may have more depth than nearly any team in the league.
Bulls can afford to take more risks both on offense and defense - foul trouble is not much of a concern because there are legitimate back up players at every position. the heat have a thin bench and will have to play cautious defense, be less aggressive going for rebounds, and careful not to draw charges because they cannot afford to get into foul trouble. the bulls have better rebounding and defense, the heat are still better but the bulls have a good team to give them a run for the money. the 2nd and 3rd quarter should also be a good time for the bulls while the starters rest. -bulls

PG Derrick Rose - CJ Watson

SG Ronnie Brewer - Kyle Korver

SF Luol Deng - Kyle Korver - Ronnie Brewer - James Johnson

PF Carlos Boozer - Taj Gibson

C Joakim Noah - Kurt Thomas - Omer Asik

-heat

PG Mario Chalmers - Kenny Hasbrock

SG Dwyane Wade - D'Sean Butler

SF LeBron James - Mike Miller - James Jones

PF Chris Bosh - Udonis Haslem - Juwon Howard - Jarvis Varnado

C Zydrunis Ilgauskis - Jamaal Magloire - Joel Anthony - Dexter Pittman

I wonder if they will add T-Mac next?
THe Bulls have some great depth, but they need a scorer in that starting lineup. Noah, Brewer, and Deng are role players (and all solid at what they do).
Deng did average 17 points per game last season, but I prefer that he be a #4 option on a very good team as opposed to a #3 option on a good team.
 
LAS VEGAS -- The Chicago Bulls have agreed to terms with free-agent big man Kurt Thomas, according to a source with knowledge of the deal.
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=5403367
2 years, just more than the veteran minimum. He's just old veteran insurance for Omer Asik as a backup big man.Bulls may have more depth than nearly any team in the league.
Bulls can afford to take more risks both on offense and defense - foul trouble is not much of a concern because there are legitimate back up players at every position. the heat have a thin bench and will have to play cautious defense, be less aggressive going for rebounds, and careful not to draw charges because they cannot afford to get into foul trouble. the bulls have better rebounding and defense, the heat are still better but the bulls have a good team to give them a run for the money. the 2nd and 3rd quarter should also be a good time for the bulls while the starters rest. -bulls

PG Derrick Rose - CJ Watson

SG Ronnie Brewer - Kyle Korver

SF Luol Deng - Kyle Korver - Ronnie Brewer - James Johnson

PF Carlos Boozer - Taj Gibson

C Joakim Noah - Kurt Thomas - Omer Asik

-heat

PG Mario Chalmers - Kenny Hasbrock

SG Dwyane Wade - D'Sean Butler

SF LeBron James - Mike Miller - James Jones

PF Chris Bosh - Udonis Haslem - Juwon Howard - Jarvis Varnado

C Zydrunis Ilgauskis - Jamaal Magloire - Joel Anthony - Dexter Pittman

I wonder who they add as the last guy, T-Mac, Roger Mason Jr or Eddie House?
Shannon Brown could be a candidate as well if Cleveland doesn't overpay for him.I'd still be surprised if they signed McGrady still. I still wonder if Josh Howard (who is coming off the knee injury) isn't a guy they sign, stash away, and hope that he helps later on.

If not, someone like House would be an option -they still need more shooting.

 
Deng did average 17 points per game last season, but I prefer that he be a #4 option on a very good team as opposed to a #3 option on a good team.
Thibodeau mentioned in an interview that he thinks Deng is one of the most underrated players in the league. He also alluded that he has been misused. Don't be surprised if he performs much better than many people think he will.
 
Deng did average 17 points per game last season, but I prefer that he be a #4 option on a very good team as opposed to a #3 option on a good team.
Thibodeau mentioned in an interview that he thinks Deng is one of the most underrated players in the league. He also alluded that he has been misused. Don't be surprised if he performs much better than many people think he will.
Not surprising from a coach who puts a premium on defense. I think Deng is an underrated player, just not a scorer. And I know it sounds insane, but having high ppg doesn't make you a scorer, IMO.
 
Deng did average 17 points per game last season, but I prefer that he be a #4 option on a very good team as opposed to a #3 option on a good team.
Thibodeau mentioned in an interview that he thinks Deng is one of the most underrated players in the league. He also alluded that he has been misused. Don't be surprised if he performs much better than many people think he will.
He does have a very good mid-range jump shot, but doesn't dribble well or shoot the three very well. He does have long arms and is an able defender. He also moves well without the ball. Injuries/durability have been a problem for him though.
 
Deng did average 17 points per game last season, but I prefer that he be a #4 option on a very good team as opposed to a #3 option on a good team.
Thibodeau mentioned in an interview that he thinks Deng is one of the most underrated players in the league. He also alluded that he has been misused. Don't be surprised if he performs much better than many people think he will.
He's had some flashes and solid scoring runs in the past for sure. Injuries are still a concern with him, right? For some reason he reminds me of Odom, in that you're really not sure what you're gonna get. Might be off base there I suppose.
 
The Cavs have signed Christian Eyenga. Two year deal worth a little more than $2 million w/options in years 3 & 4. Because Eyenga is a first-round pick he had a cap hold, money will not be deducted from Cavs mid-level exception.
Are there any Granger rumors out there? Hearing some stuff floating around today but not sure where it's coming from.
 
The Cavs have signed Christian Eyenga. Two year deal worth a little more than $2 million w/options in years 3 & 4. Because Eyenga is a first-round pick he had a cap hold, money will not be deducted from Cavs mid-level exception.
Are there any Granger rumors out there? Hearing some stuff floating around today but not sure where it's coming from.
It's coming from wishful Cavs fans on message boards. I can assure you there is nothing being mentioned from Pacers management in that regard. Larry Bird has stated numerous times that both Danny Granger and Roy Hibbert are virtually "untouchable" as far as a trade goes and he's never indicated anything otherwise.
 
The Cavs have signed Christian Eyenga. Two year deal worth a little more than $2 million w/options in years 3 & 4. Because Eyenga is a first-round pick he had a cap hold, money will not be deducted from Cavs mid-level exception.
Are there any Granger rumors out there? Hearing some stuff floating around today but not sure where it's coming from.
It's coming from wishful Cavs fans on message boards. I can assure you there is nothing being mentioned from Pacers management in that regard. Larry Bird has stated numerous times that both Danny Granger and Roy Hibbert are virtually "untouchable" as far as a trade goes and he's never indicated anything otherwise.
That's what I thought. Thanks.
 
Deng did average 17 points per game last season, but I prefer that he be a #4 option on a very good team as opposed to a #3 option on a good team.
Thibodeau mentioned in an interview that he thinks Deng is one of the most underrated players in the league. He also alluded that he has been misused. Don't be surprised if he performs much better than many people think he will.
He does have a very good mid-range jump shot, but doesn't dribble well or shoot the three very well. He does have long arms and is an able defender. He also moves well without the ball. Injuries/durability have been a problem for him though.
Deng did shoot only one three a game but made 38% of them. He seems to be more reluctant to shoot rather than unable to drain the shot. I think with Boozer in town, Deng will be much more perimeter oriented on offense other than put backs and cuts to the basket to finish where he has always been strong. I think he and Rose will be taking more threes than anyone expects and be very efficient in doing so.
 
Chris Paul has Magic on top of List

ESPN

How about Brandon Bass, Marcin Gortat, VInce Carter, and 2 firsts for Paul and Okafor. Does that work?

Hornets:

PG: Darren Collison

SG: Vince Carter

SF: David West

PF: Brandon Bass

C: Marcin Gortat

Also gives them cap flexibility trading Okafor's huge deal for Carter's expiring

 
Any chance the Bulls make a move for Rudy Fernandez? He'd be fun to watch running with Rose, and would give them that 2nd perimeter shooter. I know Portland says they won't give him away, and I don't know how the salary matches up. Who would Bulls have to give....Gibson? Then you've depleted your depth inside. Just curious if there's been any talk in Chicago about it.

 
Any chance the Bulls make a move for Rudy Fernandez? He'd be fun to watch running with Rose, and would give them that 2nd perimeter shooter. I know Portland says they won't give him away, and I don't know how the salary matches up. Who would Bulls have to give....Gibson? Then you've depleted your depth inside. Just curious if there's been any talk in Chicago about it.
The Blazers don't need anymore players. They are either going to trade Fernandez for a draft pick or they're going to throw him in as part of a bigger trade.
 
Veteran free agent center Shaquille O'Neal -- the future Hall of Famer without a team -- has been lobbying the Boston Celtics aggressively, still trying to convince them that his addition would help their quest to win another NBA championship.
Although O'Neal was unavailable for comment Friday, two sources close to him confirmed his continued interest in the Celtics, even though they currently have no room, or exceptions, under the salary cap to pay him beyond the NBA veteran's minimum of $1.35 million.

The Celtics could pay him more, but only if his former team, the Cleveland Cavaliers, helped with a sign-and-trade deal.
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Veteran free agent center Shaquille O'Neal -- the future Hall of Famer without a team -- has been lobbying the Boston Celtics aggressively, still trying to convince them that his addition would help their quest to win another NBA championship.
Although O'Neal was unavailable for comment Friday, two sources close to him confirmed his continued interest in the Celtics, even though they currently have no room, or exceptions, under the salary cap to pay him beyond the NBA veteran's minimum of $1.35 million.

The Celtics could pay him more, but only if his former team, the Cleveland Cavaliers, helped with a sign-and-trade deal.
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It'd be awesome if this happens. The Celtics would have Big Baby and Bigger Baby.
 
Veteran free agent center Shaquille O'Neal -- the future Hall of Famer without a team -- has been lobbying the Boston Celtics aggressively, still trying to convince them that his addition would help their quest to win another NBA championship.
Although O'Neal was unavailable for comment Friday, two sources close to him confirmed his continued interest in the Celtics, even though they currently have no room, or exceptions, under the salary cap to pay him beyond the NBA veteran's minimum of $1.35 million.

The Celtics could pay him more, but only if his former team, the Cleveland Cavaliers, helped with a sign-and-trade deal.
Link
It'd be awesome if this happens. The Celtics would have Big Baby and Bigger Baby.
Paul and Shaq moving East would be pretty nice. I wouldn't mind the Lakers being in the weaksauce conference for a change.
 
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Veteran free agent center Shaquille O'Neal -- the future Hall of Famer without a team -- has been lobbying the Boston Celtics aggressively, still trying to convince them that his addition would help their quest to win another NBA championship.
Although O'Neal was unavailable for comment Friday, two sources close to him confirmed his continued interest in the Celtics, even though they currently have no room, or exceptions, under the salary cap to pay him beyond the NBA veteran's minimum of $1.35 million.

The Celtics could pay him more, but only if his former team, the Cleveland Cavaliers, helped with a sign-and-trade deal.
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It'd be awesome if this happens. The Celtics would have Big Baby and Bigger Baby.
Paul and Shaq moving East would be pretty nice. I wouldn't mind the Lakers being the weaksauce conference for a change.
I don't think Shaq is really tipping the power balance one way or another anymore - unless we're going on weight.
 

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