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mlball77
Footballguy
House should be a good fit in MIA, coming off the bench. Should be plenty of open 3 pt opportunities for him.
Masked Vigilante
Footballguy
I was trying to get Goggins all riled up.Masked Vigilante said:They were 42-40 without him last year and have a nice nucleus of Ariza, Brooks, Scola and Martin with Budinger, Lowry, and Patterson waiting in the wings. They also have some nice trade assets in Jeffries and Battier as well as draft picks and a small trade exception. The Rockets need to trade some assets for a top-tier player for sure. But "blowing up" and "rebuilding" are nowhere near the equation.
JMon348
Footballguy
link or is this just a message board rumor?What is the most popular Celtic message board?
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I saw this rumor mentioned on HoopsHype a couple of days ago. One blurb from a Celtics blog. Also something about the Knicks being a player for Fernandez - but that they don't have a first rounder that happens soon enough to make it happen.
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Major
Footballguy
Figured you were fishing but i'm suffering collateral damage. I also have the heart of a champion :clutchcity:I was trying to get Goggins all riled up.Masked Vigilante said:They were 42-40 without him last year and have a nice nucleus of Ariza, Brooks, Scola and Martin with Budinger, Lowry, and Patterson waiting in the wings. They also have some nice trade assets in Jeffries and Battier as well as draft picks and a small trade exception. The Rockets need to trade some assets for a top-tier player for sure. But "blowing up" and "rebuilding" are nowhere near the equation.
Britney Spears
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Is it a stretch to say they are headed nowhere with that current roster sans Yao?42 wins was great last year, but I think that's about their max without Yao. They don't have any stars if he is dead. Brooks is terrible at PG despite his spradic scoring, Ariza is extremely inefficient in anything more than a support role, and Martin is a good scorer but a massive ballhog. I like Scola as a good player, but that's about it.Figured you were fishing but i'm suffering collateral damage. I also have the heart of a champion :clutchcity:I was trying to get Goggins all riled up.Masked Vigilante said:They were 42-40 without him last year and have a nice nucleus of Ariza, Brooks, Scola and Martin with Budinger, Lowry, and Patterson waiting in the wings. They also have some nice trade assets in Jeffries and Battier as well as draft picks and a small trade exception. The Rockets need to trade some assets for a top-tier player for sure. But "blowing up" and "rebuilding" are nowhere near the equation.
Jewell
Footballguy
House will be a great fit. He can drain the open three as well as anybody, and when LeBron and Dwyane get driving and kicking they'll be plenty of open threes to take.With Miller & House they got their shooters and with Big Z and Haslem they added some beef. I really don't know what more this team needs?
Britney Spears
guest speaker
More size inside IMO. Z is 125 years old now, GB his old soul.Not sure who it was, but someone was saying they should have grabbed some D-Leaguer talent, and I think that makes some sense. Get a healthy young big man and let him grow with the team. Someone who plays a good team game and defense. These old guys will break down.
Major
Footballguy
I don't think you watch the Rockets enough (think I watched at least half of their games last year). Brooks is great. Top 10 PG in the league. But I digress. The Rockets w/o Yao will not do much just like most teams without their superstar. I feel like they're one of those fantasy football teams in your league with a lot of decent players - time to make some 2 for 1 trades b/c there's too much talent on that bench.Is it a stretch to say they are headed nowhere with that current roster sans Yao?42 wins was great last year, but I think that's about their max without Yao. They don't have any stars if he is dead. Brooks is terrible at PG despite his spradic scoring, Ariza is extremely inefficient in anything more than a support role, and Martin is a good scorer but a massive ballhog. I like Scola as a good player, but that's about it.Figured you were fishing but i'm suffering collateral damage. I also have the heart of a champion :clutchcity:I was trying to get Goggins all riled up.Masked Vigilante said:
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Which of these guys is he better than:Nash
Paul
Williams
Rondo
Westbrook
Kidd
Billups
Rose
Curry
Evans
Davis
Miller
Felton
Jennings
Harris
Major
Footballguy
:bolded
No. 16
Footballguy
That was me. If you're gonna surround the Big 3 with scrubs you might as well surrounded them with young cheap scrubs with some upside who are fighting for their spot in the league.
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Wow
No. 16
Footballguy
He's not even Top 10 in the Western conference.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Crazy talk that Aaron Brooks is a Top 10 PG. He improved, but not to that extent.
I don't think Wall or Tony Parker were listed. I'd take both ahead of Brooks.
I don't think Wall or Tony Parker were listed. I'd take both ahead of Brooks.
Major
Footballguy
Yeah, a bit of schtick on my behalf. If not Top 10, then definitely Top 12.
tribecalledjeff
Footballguy
FYP
Premier
Footballguy
He's not better than Jameer either.
Kev4029
Footballguy
Wow, much not watch much basketball outside of Houston.Just to add to the list of PGs he is light years behind:
Arenas (Should have been on the above list)
Parker (Should have been on the above list)
Mo Williams
Nelson
Guys of similar PG skills:
Calderon
Lawson
Collison
Stuckey
Lou Williams
Robinson
Lowry
Bayless
Sessions
Holiday
I think that makes him right around 20th to 30th best PG in my book.
No. 16
Footballguy
As a POINT GUARD I would rather have Calderon, Lawson, Collison, Lowry, Holiday, and Sessions over Aaron Brooks from your similar list. There rest of those guys I would say are inferior 2 guard game/1 guard body compared to Aaron Brooks.
Just to add to the list of PGs he is light years behind:
Arenas (Should have been on the above list)
Parker (Should have been on the above list)
Mo Williams
Nelson
Guys of similar PG skills:
Calderon
Lawson
Collison
Stuckey
Lou Williams
Robinson
Lowry
Bayless
Sessions
Holiday
I think that makes him right around 20th to 30th best PG in my book.
Kev4029
Footballguy
I wouldn't argue that, but I think the difference between Robinson or Lou and Brooks is very small as compared to the difference between a guy like Parker or Nelson or whoever else people would consider the 10th-12th best PG in the NBA.As a POINT GUARD I would rather have Calderon, Lawson, Collison, Lowry, Holiday, and Sessions over Aaron Brooks from your similar list. There rest of those guys I would say are inferior 2 guard game/1 guard body compared to Aaron Brooks.Wow, much not watch much basketball outside of Houston.
Just to add to the list of PGs he is light years behind:
Arenas (Should have been on the above list)
Parker (Should have been on the above list)
Mo Williams
Nelson
Guys of similar PG skills:
Calderon
Lawson
Collison
Stuckey
Lou Williams
Robinson
Lowry
Bayless
Sessions
Holiday
I think that makes him right around 20th to 30th best PG in my book.
shake zula
Footballguy
Chris Paul
Major
Footballguy
I disagree
Just to add to the list of PGs he is light years behind:
Arenas (Should have been on the above list)
Parker (Should have been on the above list)
Mo Williams
Nelson
Guys of similar PG skills:
Calderon
Lawson
Collison
Stuckey
Lou Williams
Robinson
Lowry
Bayless
Sessions
Holiday
I think that makes him right around 20th to 30th best PG in my book.
Kev4029
Footballguy
I know you do, we'll just agree to disagree. The two guys that I think you are incredibly off base off on are Billups and Evans though, Billups does everything Brooks does except better, while playing defense and being 4 inches taller and 50 pounds heaver.I disagreeWow, much not watch much basketball outside of Houston.
Just to add to the list of PGs he is light years behind:
Arenas (Should have been on the above list)
Parker (Should have been on the above list)
Mo Williams
Nelson
Guys of similar PG skills:
Calderon
Lawson
Collison
Stuckey
Lou Williams
Robinson
Lowry
Bayless
Sessions
Holiday
I think that makes him right around 20th to 30th best PG in my book.
Britney Spears said:Is it a stretch to say they are headed nowhere with that current roster sans Yao?42 wins was great last year, but I think that's about their max without Yao. They don't have any stars if he is dead. Brooks is terrible at PG despite his spradic scoring, Ariza is extremely inefficient in anything more than a support role, and Martin is a good scorer but a massive ballhog. I like Scola as a good player, but that's about it.Major said:Figured you were fishing but i'm suffering collateral damage. I also have the heart of a champion :clutchcity:Masked Vigilante said:I was trying to get Goggins all riled up.Masked Vigilante said:They were 42-40 without him last year and have a nice nucleus of Ariza, Brooks, Scola and Martin with Budinger, Lowry, and Patterson waiting in the wings. They also have some nice trade assets in Jeffries and Battier as well as draft picks and a small trade exception. The Rockets need to trade some assets for a top-tier player for sure. But "blowing up" and "rebuilding" are nowhere near the equation.
Martin's not a superstar, but he's one of the most efficient scorers in the league.
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Britney Spears
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I watched a decent number of Rockets games last year. Maybe 15-20.Brooks is a decent scorer. He's nowhere near the 10th best PG in the NBA. He would be a nice bench scorer on a legit contender. As a starting PG, he's in the bottom 3rd of the league.I really am wondering which teams are dying to trade for multiple of the Rockets bench scrubs for a more talented player. I don't think it will happen. The Rockets bench is made up of guys like Budinger (underrated because he's white), Lowry (good backup PG, never been able to keep a starting gig), Brad Miller (ancient and now overpaid), Jordan Hill (unkown as he's never found a role).Which of these guys is busting with talent and some team would be willing to trade for them? Looks like none to me.The only guys that will be appealing to other teams IMO will be their expiring deals (Battier and Jeffries). Just like every other team in the NBA.Major said:
Major
Footballguy
I think a package of Brooks or Scola, Battier/Jeffries, Ariza and the Knicks 2011 pick would be enticing to a lot of teams.
Kev4029
Footballguy
An overpaid defensive stopper (Ariza), an overpaid but good pf (Scola), a very good scoring 6th man in the final year of his deal (Brooks), A $7 million dollar expiring contract and a pick that will be in the middle of the first round seems like a pretty ####ty deal to me. That team will either end up with two overpaid players and a role player (mid 1st round pick) or three overpaid players and a role player if they resign Brooks to the deal he'll think he deserves (similar to Monta Ellis' I would assume). You don't build a team around other peoples bad contracts, ask Isiah Thomas.... or at least the fans of the Knicks.
Kev4029
Footballguy
I think they may comparably delusional to the Lakers fans on this board.
Bears_Man2
Footballguy
Thought after his comments (which were easy to foresee), he wouldn't be an option. Really hope the Bulls turn the page here. T-Mac doesn't get it (and he likely never will -- a 35 year old Iverson still doesn't get it either after 3 miserable stops in the past 2 years). Instead of coming in and saying he'd love to lead a 2nd unit (which with his skillset nowadays, that'd be his best use), T-Mac still thinks he should be 'the guy' on a franchise. Not surprising. He's never been the brightest. And nowadays he's a bit player. Good luck on being the centerpiece of a franchise T-Mac. I hear Toronto's a nice play to play ball. Steph's having a nice run in China if that would suit you better.
Britney Spears
guest speaker
Which type of player(s) would the Rockets be getting in return for this hypothetical deal?
Major
Footballguy
:chrispaul:
Getinthemix
Footballguy
Have Rocket's fans taken over the most delusional fans in the league title from Knicks fans? Wow.
Major
Footballguy
never underestimate the heart of a champion
Zaxxon
Footballguy
I would think that Miami might offer up Dwyane Wade.
Major
Footballguy
if they threw in Lebron, the Rockets should consider itI would think that Miami might offer up Dwyane Wade.
timschochet
Footballguy
Shalom, Amare!
JERUSALEM (AP) -- Amare Stoudemire already knows some Hebrew phrases and sports a Star of David tattoo. Now he's come to Israel to explore what might be his Jewish heritage.
The five-time NBA All-Star who recently signed with the New York Knicks is on a weeklong visit to learn about Israel, its language and religions. He believes he has "Hebrew roots" through his mother, Carrie.
"She studied the scriptures and history and she believes she is a Hebrew," he told The Associated Press on Friday in Jerusalem. "I grew up in a very spiritual home. It's not about religion, it's about spirituality for me."
Stoudemire said he was "soaking up the culture," with his girlfriend and a few other friends from home.
He has long suspected his Jewish lineage - Judaism is passed down through the mother's side. Stoudemire's agent, Happy Walters, said his client is a "student of history" and is "exploring religions in general." He added that Soudemire may turn to a genealogist when he returns to New York to dig deeper.
The 6-foot-10 forward signed a five-year, $100 million contract with the Knicks three weeks ago. He will now be playing in the city with the largest Jewish population in the United States.
The NBA features two Jewish players: Israeli Omri Casspi of the Sacramento Kings and Jordan Farmar of the New Jersey Nets. When Farmar joined the Los Angeles Lakers in 2006, he became the NBA's first Jewish player since Danny Schayes - son of Hall of Famer Dolph Schayes - retired in 1999.
Stoudemire said he's spoken to Casspi a few times about Judaism, "but we didn't go into details about it."
Stoudemire has begun studying Hebrew and his Twitter page features such words as "Shalom," "Le'chayim" and "ze ha'halom sheli," Hebrew for "this is my dream."
"It's great," he said. "Hebrew is the original language."
On Twitter, he also called himself "the new Reggie White," saying "I'm going 2 Israel 2 study Hebrew. It's time 2 get a better understanding on who we R."
White, the late NFL star and ordained minister, traveled to Israel late in his life and studied Hebrew to learn scripture in its original form.
Stoudemire spent his first eight NBA seasons with the Phoenix Suns, where he won the 2003 Rookie of Year award and became one of the league's dominant players. Now, his possible Jewish ties have stirred interest in Israel, with bloggers dreaming he could one day join the Israeli national team.
Stoudemire, however, laughed that off.
"I'm looking forward to playing in the 2012 Olympics," he said. "For the USA."
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/bask...l#ixzz0vIA56pd0
JERUSALEM (AP) -- Amare Stoudemire already knows some Hebrew phrases and sports a Star of David tattoo. Now he's come to Israel to explore what might be his Jewish heritage.
The five-time NBA All-Star who recently signed with the New York Knicks is on a weeklong visit to learn about Israel, its language and religions. He believes he has "Hebrew roots" through his mother, Carrie.
"She studied the scriptures and history and she believes she is a Hebrew," he told The Associated Press on Friday in Jerusalem. "I grew up in a very spiritual home. It's not about religion, it's about spirituality for me."
Stoudemire said he was "soaking up the culture," with his girlfriend and a few other friends from home.
He has long suspected his Jewish lineage - Judaism is passed down through the mother's side. Stoudemire's agent, Happy Walters, said his client is a "student of history" and is "exploring religions in general." He added that Soudemire may turn to a genealogist when he returns to New York to dig deeper.
The 6-foot-10 forward signed a five-year, $100 million contract with the Knicks three weeks ago. He will now be playing in the city with the largest Jewish population in the United States.
The NBA features two Jewish players: Israeli Omri Casspi of the Sacramento Kings and Jordan Farmar of the New Jersey Nets. When Farmar joined the Los Angeles Lakers in 2006, he became the NBA's first Jewish player since Danny Schayes - son of Hall of Famer Dolph Schayes - retired in 1999.
Stoudemire said he's spoken to Casspi a few times about Judaism, "but we didn't go into details about it."
Stoudemire has begun studying Hebrew and his Twitter page features such words as "Shalom," "Le'chayim" and "ze ha'halom sheli," Hebrew for "this is my dream."
"It's great," he said. "Hebrew is the original language."
On Twitter, he also called himself "the new Reggie White," saying "I'm going 2 Israel 2 study Hebrew. It's time 2 get a better understanding on who we R."
White, the late NFL star and ordained minister, traveled to Israel late in his life and studied Hebrew to learn scripture in its original form.
Stoudemire spent his first eight NBA seasons with the Phoenix Suns, where he won the 2003 Rookie of Year award and became one of the league's dominant players. Now, his possible Jewish ties have stirred interest in Israel, with bloggers dreaming he could one day join the Israeli national team.
Stoudemire, however, laughed that off.
"I'm looking forward to playing in the 2012 Olympics," he said. "For the USA."
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/bask...l#ixzz0vIA56pd0
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Abraham
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Not sure how the rockets stuff turned so absurd, but ill chime in. the best thing about tyre players the rocjets have is that they aren't overpaid. Scola and lowery definitely ended up on the high end of what I was expecting, but its still not outrageous. Also, the rockets have young talent, expiring contacts, and good draft picks. WOULD they get chris paul or melo out of the deal? Doubtful, but iguodala or someone of that ilk could be an option.
A i the event that a superstar type does become available through trade, the rockets would have enough different types of assets to get in the bidding. What is so offensive about suggesting that? I mean, did you see what morey was able to get for mcgrady?
A i the event that a superstar type does become available through trade, the rockets would have enough different types of assets to get in the bidding. What is so offensive about suggesting that? I mean, did you see what morey was able to get for mcgrady?
Bears_Man2
Footballguy
Hope the Bulls hang onto Taj. Will be a real nice bench piece (and starter when Noah/Boozer go down).Bulls could use another shooter, but this isn't the answer IMO. Korver will work out fine if that's all they do.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Taj won't be in the trade. The Sam Smith mailbag on bulls.com where that quote comes from doesn't say he's involved.
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Celph Titled
Footballguy
The Jews are pretty good at defense, no way this is real.
RedRaiders
Mr. +EV
The Ariza/Hill/Expiring contract/Knicks pick was a rumor floating around for Iguodala.Britney Spears said:
I would say Lakers fans are the least delusional on the board since our team is the only one backing it up.
Mr. PadresLakers
Footballguy
Don't ruin their fun. Laker fans saw their team trade Kwame Brown for Pau Gasol. How could any trade proposal they throw out be considered delusional after that?
Major
Footballguy
That lopsided trade really changed the course of the NBA
JMon348
Footballguy
That lopsided trade really changed the course of the NBA
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