*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (5 Viewers)

[B-Deep]

I don't think lebron has any desire to go to Los Angeles. He's staying in Miami for another contract I think. Lakers will be in play for melo and it will be a disaster.

melo and kobelol

nothing could go wrong there

Please, please, please let this happen.

You know what though, I'm not totally convinced this would be a disaster. I thought the Dwight/Nash/Kobe thing would be, but Melo/Kobe could actually work (not "title" work, but a good chance to make the WC Finals).

Wasn't Melo at his best on the Olympic team where he wasn't the alpha dog? Melo with an old, desperate, angry Kobe pushing him every day might work very well.

Find a mediocre PG that can defend and hit 3's and a couple bigs with some energy and one that can score a little. There could be something there.

It would be a trainwreck of a "team". Kobe taking 30 shots a game to try and catch Kareem, Melo taking 30 shots a game to keep pace with Kobe and 3 other guys standing around not giving a #### because they aren't going to get the ball. It'd be one of the worst defensive "teams" ever. Pretty much a lock for a 1st round exit.

You are almost certainly right, and I'd love every minute of the trainwreck, but I think there's a sliver of a chance it could be pretty good.

Obviously, you'd have to have some efficient shooters and defenders that didn't care too much about getting shots, but you throw 2 hero-ballers that respect each other together and I think we might see a good dynamic.

They could be a match-up nightmare and I think there's a chance they aren't both just looking to get theirs. They aren't going to give up shots to the likes of Shumbert and Blake, but they would for each other. A little unselfishness would go a very long way when you've got 2 perimeter players that probably need to be doubled, if Kobe comes back healthy.

To bolded 1: I don't think those players exists.

To bolded 2:

Sure they do.

You need some young guys and some really old guys that know their roles. All great teams have good role players that understand they aren't going to get a ton of shots.

and by a ton you mean they may get a shot every couple of games, and will likely get #####ed at by melo and kobe for taking that shot

 

[Good Posting Judge]

BTW - Adam Silver has to be excited about the opportunity to rig his first NBA lottery for the Lakers.

It'll be good to see him earn his stripes right off the bat. Hopefully he's already identified the "helpful" refs as well.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Austin Rivers ‏@AustinRivers2524 Jun
Lol I love when haters talk to me like they know what it's like to be in my shoes! ill prove them wrong next year, they will be silent haha.

 

[timschochet]

Phil Jackson to Dwight Howard: Good luck as an Astro!

 

[pollardsvision]

Let's look at another pair of old, high-volume perimeter scorers that paired up.

29 YO SF that had never won a damn thing. Def. had a bit of rep as a me-first chucker. 18-20 shots/game most of career. Under 45% for 6 of his first 9 seasons.

31 YO SG that was accustomed to 20 or so shots/game every year. 4 of the previous 5 seasons (toiling away on a terrible team) were under 45%. A once great 3P shooter (and all time great) had been under 40% each of the previous 5 seasons.

Pierce and Allen teamed up, both went happily went down below 15 shots/game and saw their %s go way up.

Not the same players or the same situation, but when you see elite high volume shooters teams up the dynamic changes.

 

[B-Deep]

Let's look at another pair of old, high-volume perimeter scorers that paired up.

29 YO SF that had never won a damn thing. Def. had a bit of rep as a me-first chucker. 18-20 shots/game most of career. Under 45% for 6 of his first 9 seasons.

31 YO SG that was accustomed to 20 or so shots/game every year. 4 of the previous 5 seasons (toiling away on a terrible team) were under 45%. A once great 3P shooter (and all time great) had been under 40% each of the previous 5 seasons.

Pierce and Allen teamed up, both went happily went down below 15 shots/game and saw their %s go way up.

Not the same players or the same situation, but when you see elite high volume shooters teams up the dynamic changes.

no one is saying a team up of two elite players would not work

we are saying these two players will not work

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Let's look at another pair of old, high-volume perimeter scorers that paired up.

29 YO SF that had never won a damn thing. Def. had a bit of rep as a me-first chucker. 18-20 shots/game most of career. Under 45% for 6 of his first 9 seasons.

31 YO SG that was accustomed to 20 or so shots/game every year. 4 of the previous 5 seasons (toiling away on a terrible team) were under 45%. A once great 3P shooter (and all time great) had been under 40% each of the previous 5 seasons.

Pierce and Allen teamed up, both went happily went down below 15 shots/game and saw their %s go way up.

Not the same players or the same situation, but when you see elite high volume shooters teams up the dynamic changes.

Not even close. Melo and Kobe are perhaps the two biggest chuckers the league has ever seen. They'd probably come to blows during timeouts arguing over who gets to take the contested jumper while being triple teamed to end the game.

The only recent possible comparison would have been pairing Iverson up with someone... but we know well he took to a 6th man role so it isn't hard to guess how he would have done with a co-star.

 

[pollardsvision]

Let's look at another pair of old, high-volume perimeter scorers that paired up.

29 YO SF that had never won a damn thing. Def. had a bit of rep as a me-first chucker. 18-20 shots/game most of career. Under 45% for 6 of his first 9 seasons.

31 YO SG that was accustomed to 20 or so shots/game every year. 4 of the previous 5 seasons (toiling away on a terrible team) were under 45%. A once great 3P shooter (and all time great) had been under 40% each of the previous 5 seasons.

Pierce and Allen teamed up, both went happily went down below 15 shots/game and saw their %s go way up.

Not the same players or the same situation, but when you see elite high volume shooters teams up the dynamic changes.

no one is saying a team up of two elite players would not workwe are saying these two players will not work

History says that the "there's only one ball" concerns will more likely translate into "he's not seeing as much defensive attention and is getting much better looks".

History also says that guys that like to take a bunch of shots don't mind taking fewer shots when it's a HOFer they are now sharing the ball with.

There's plenty of reason to doubt these two particular players, but this would be a far different situation than either has ever experienced, so I don't think we can be sure they'll react negatively.

 

[pollardsvision]

Let's look at another pair of old, high-volume perimeter scorers that paired up.

29 YO SF that had never won a damn thing. Def. had a bit of rep as a me-first chucker. 18-20 shots/game most of career. Under 45% for 6 of his first 9 seasons.

31 YO SG that was accustomed to 20 or so shots/game every year. 4 of the previous 5 seasons (toiling away on a terrible team) were under 45%. A once great 3P shooter (and all time great) had been under 40% each of the previous 5 seasons.

Pierce and Allen teamed up, both went happily went down below 15 shots/game and saw their %s go way up.

Not the same players or the same situation, but when you see elite high volume shooters teams up the dynamic changes.

Not even close. Melo and Kobe are perhaps the two biggest chuckers the league has ever seen. They'd probably come to blows during timeouts arguing over who gets to take the contested jumper while being triple teamed to end the game.

The only recent possible comparison would have been pairing Iverson up with someone... but we know well he took to a 6th man role so it isn't hard to guess how he would have done with a co-star.

I love Iverson, but he's not Kobe.

In terms of inefficient volume, Iverson's a far worse offender than Kobe ever was. Iverson took almost 3 shots/game more than Kobe has at a putride 42.5% (Kobe 45.4%, like a Wesbrook-less Durant).

Even Iverson started taking about 5 fewer shots/game when he went to Denver. Heck, Iverson even saw 45% for the first time in over a decade in both of the 1st 2 seasons in the "failed" Denver experiment (where they won 50 games in the 2nd season).

 

[Joe Summer]

Kobe and Carmelo have averaged 19.5 shots per 36 minutes over the course of their entire careers.

Allen and Pierce never topped 19 shots per 36 minutes at their peak.

 

[B-Deep]

Let's look at another pair of old, high-volume perimeter scorers that paired up.

29 YO SF that had never won a damn thing. Def. had a bit of rep as a me-first chucker. 18-20 shots/game most of career. Under 45% for 6 of his first 9 seasons.

31 YO SG that was accustomed to 20 or so shots/game every year. 4 of the previous 5 seasons (toiling away on a terrible team) were under 45%. A once great 3P shooter (and all time great) had been under 40% each of the previous 5 seasons.

Pierce and Allen teamed up, both went happily went down below 15 shots/game and saw their %s go way up.

Not the same players or the same situation, but when you see elite high volume shooters teams up the dynamic changes.

no one is saying a team up of two elite players would not workwe are saying these two players will not work

History says that the "there's only one ball" concerns will more likely translate into "he's not seeing as much defensive attention and is getting much better looks".

History also says that guys that like to take a bunch of shots don't mind taking fewer shots when it's a HOFer they are now sharing the ball with.

There's plenty of reason to doubt these two particular players, but this would be a far different situation than either has ever experienced, so I don't think we can be sure they'll react negatively.

kobe's history of sharing with HOFers is not very good

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Phil Jackson to Dwight Howard: Good luck as an Astro!

How is this guy still carrying water for LA after they snubbed him last year? Have some dignity, man.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Phil Jackson to Dwight Howard: Good luck as an Astro!

How is this guy still carrying water for LA after they snubbed him last year? Have some dignity, man.

Happy wife, happy life.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Let's look at another pair of old, high-volume perimeter scorers that paired up.

29 YO SF that had never won a damn thing. Def. had a bit of rep as a me-first chucker. 18-20 shots/game most of career. Under 45% for 6 of his first 9 seasons.

31 YO SG that was accustomed to 20 or so shots/game every year. 4 of the previous 5 seasons (toiling away on a terrible team) were under 45%. A once great 3P shooter (and all time great) had been under 40% each of the previous 5 seasons.

Pierce and Allen teamed up, both went happily went down below 15 shots/game and saw their %s go way up.

Not the same players or the same situation, but when you see elite high volume shooters teams up the dynamic changes.

Not even close. Melo and Kobe are perhaps the two biggest chuckers the league has ever seen. They'd probably come to blows during timeouts arguing over who gets to take the contested jumper while being triple teamed to end the game.

The only recent possible comparison would have been pairing Iverson up with someone... but we know well he took to a 6th man role so it isn't hard to guess how he would have done with a co-star.

I love Iverson, but he's not Kobe.

In terms of inefficient volume, Iverson's a far worse offender than Kobe ever was. Iverson took almost 3 shots/game more than Kobe has at a putride 42.5% (Kobe 45.4%, like a Wesbrook-less Durant).

Even Iverson started taking about 5 fewer shots/game when he went to Denver. Heck, Iverson even saw 45% for the first time in over a decade in both of the 1st 2 seasons in the "failed" Denver experiment (where they won 50 games in the 2nd season).

And how many fewer shots did Kobe take last year when he was teamed up with 3 HOFers?

 

[pollardsvision]

Let's look at another pair of old, high-volume perimeter scorers that paired up.

29 YO SF that had never won a damn thing. Def. had a bit of rep as a me-first chucker. 18-20 shots/game most of career. Under 45% for 6 of his first 9 seasons.

31 YO SG that was accustomed to 20 or so shots/game every year. 4 of the previous 5 seasons (toiling away on a terrible team) were under 45%. A once great 3P shooter (and all time great) had been under 40% each of the previous 5 seasons.

Pierce and Allen teamed up, both went happily went down below 15 shots/game and saw their %s go way up.

Not the same players or the same situation, but when you see elite high volume shooters teams up the dynamic changes.

no one is saying a team up of two elite players would not workwe are saying these two players will not work

History says that the "there's only one ball" concerns will more likely translate into "he's not seeing as much defensive attention and is getting much better looks".

History also says that guys that like to take a bunch of shots don't mind taking fewer shots when it's a HOFer they are now sharing the ball with.

There's plenty of reason to doubt these two particular players, but this would be a far different situation than either has ever experienced, so I don't think we can be sure they'll react negatively.

kobe's history of sharing with HOFers is not very good

I absolutely hate having to defend Kobe, but here we go.

First of all, he shared his way to 5 rings. Some would call that good.

Sure, he didn't like playing with a lazy POS like Shaq, but they "made do" for a little while.

Now, he very much might find Carmelo to a bit lazy for him, but Kobe being the champion and elder statesman of that duo, I think it's just as likely Kobe pushes Carmelo.

Other HOFers?

Pau. They won two rings, and Pau didn't see his shots/game decrease at all upon going to LA. Pau was the perfect running mate for Kobe.

Howard and Nash? Come on. Nash is washed up. Howard was coming off surgery with god knows what going on between the ears. Then they got the worst possible coach for that trainwreck.

Not even going to bother with Malone and Payton.

 

[pollardsvision]

Let's look at another pair of old, high-volume perimeter scorers that paired up.

29 YO SF that had never won a damn thing. Def. had a bit of rep as a me-first chucker. 18-20 shots/game most of career. Under 45% for 6 of his first 9 seasons.

31 YO SG that was accustomed to 20 or so shots/game every year. 4 of the previous 5 seasons (toiling away on a terrible team) were under 45%. A once great 3P shooter (and all time great) had been under 40% each of the previous 5 seasons.

Pierce and Allen teamed up, both went happily went down below 15 shots/game and saw their %s go way up.

Not the same players or the same situation, but when you see elite high volume shooters teams up the dynamic changes.

Not even close. Melo and Kobe are perhaps the two biggest chuckers the league has ever seen. They'd probably come to blows during timeouts arguing over who gets to take the contested jumper while being triple teamed to end the game.

The only recent possible comparison would have been pairing Iverson up with someone... but we know well he took to a 6th man role so it isn't hard to guess how he would have done with a co-star.

I love Iverson, but he's not Kobe.

In terms of inefficient volume, Iverson's a far worse offender than Kobe ever was. Iverson took almost 3 shots/game more than Kobe has at a putride 42.5% (Kobe 45.4%, like a Wesbrook-less Durant).

Even Iverson started taking about 5 fewer shots/game when he went to Denver. Heck, Iverson even saw 45% for the first time in over a decade in both of the 1st 2 seasons in the "failed" Denver experiment (where they won 50 games in the 2nd season).

And how many fewer shots did Kobe take last year when he was teamed up with 3 HOFers?

Come on. A washed PG, a mostly washed up PF, and a C coming off surgery that never wanted to be there?

 

[JMon348]

Let's look at another pair of old, high-volume perimeter scorers that paired up.

29 YO SF that had never won a damn thing. Def. had a bit of rep as a me-first chucker. 18-20 shots/game most of career. Under 45% for 6 of his first 9 seasons.

31 YO SG that was accustomed to 20 or so shots/game every year. 4 of the previous 5 seasons (toiling away on a terrible team) were under 45%. A once great 3P shooter (and all time great) had been under 40% each of the previous 5 seasons.

Pierce and Allen teamed up, both went happily went down below 15 shots/game and saw their %s go way up.

Not the same players or the same situation, but when you see elite high volume shooters teams up the dynamic changes.

no one is saying a team up of two elite players would not workwe are saying these two players will not work

History says that the "there's only one ball" concerns will more likely translate into "he's not seeing as much defensive attention and is getting much better looks".

History also says that guys that like to take a bunch of shots don't mind taking fewer shots when it's a HOFer they are now sharing the ball with.

There's plenty of reason to doubt these two particular players, but this would be a far different situation than either has ever experienced, so I don't think we can be sure they'll react negatively.

kobe's history of sharing with HOFers is not very good

Very true. Not a good idea to have Kobe play with another Hall of Famer.

 

[B-Deep]

Phil Jackson to Dwight Howard: Good luck as an Astro!

How is this guy still carrying water for LA after they snubbed him last year? Have some dignity, man.

they snubbed him and ended up a damned disaster

now he plays happy happy joy joy and laker fans still love him and hate mangement for not bringing him on and d'antoni for sucking

 

[B-Deep]

Let's look at another pair of old, high-volume perimeter scorers that paired up.

29 YO SF that had never won a damn thing. Def. had a bit of rep as a me-first chucker. 18-20 shots/game most of career. Under 45% for 6 of his first 9 seasons.

31 YO SG that was accustomed to 20 or so shots/game every year. 4 of the previous 5 seasons (toiling away on a terrible team) were under 45%. A once great 3P shooter (and all time great) had been under 40% each of the previous 5 seasons.

Pierce and Allen teamed up, both went happily went down below 15 shots/game and saw their %s go way up.

Not the same players or the same situation, but when you see elite high volume shooters teams up the dynamic changes.

no one is saying a team up of two elite players would not workwe are saying these two players will not work

History says that the "there's only one ball" concerns will more likely translate into "he's not seeing as much defensive attention and is getting much better looks".

History also says that guys that like to take a bunch of shots don't mind taking fewer shots when it's a HOFer they are now sharing the ball with.

There's plenty of reason to doubt these two particular players, but this would be a far different situation than either has ever experienced, so I don't think we can be sure they'll react negatively.

kobe's history of sharing with HOFers is not very good

Very true. Not a good idea to have Kobe play with another Hall of Famer.

it would be if kobe was able to, his ego won;t allow it

kobe and melo would be a damn joke

 

[Gr00vus]

Delfino bucks 2/6.5 with option for a third.

So you can go home again.

 

[B-Deep]

Let's look at another pair of old, high-volume perimeter scorers that paired up.

29 YO SF that had never won a damn thing. Def. had a bit of rep as a me-first chucker. 18-20 shots/game most of career. Under 45% for 6 of his first 9 seasons.

31 YO SG that was accustomed to 20 or so shots/game every year. 4 of the previous 5 seasons (toiling away on a terrible team) were under 45%. A once great 3P shooter (and all time great) had been under 40% each of the previous 5 seasons.

Pierce and Allen teamed up, both went happily went down below 15 shots/game and saw their %s go way up.

Not the same players or the same situation, but when you see elite high volume shooters teams up the dynamic changes.

no one is saying a team up of two elite players would not workwe are saying these two players will not work

History says that the "there's only one ball" concerns will more likely translate into "he's not seeing as much defensive attention and is getting much better looks".

History also says that guys that like to take a bunch of shots don't mind taking fewer shots when it's a HOFer they are now sharing the ball with.

There's plenty of reason to doubt these two particular players, but this would be a far different situation than either has ever experienced, so I don't think we can be sure they'll react negatively.

kobe's history of sharing with HOFers is not very good

I absolutely hate having to defend Kobe, but here we go.

First of all, he shared his way to 5 rings. Some would call that good.

Sure, he didn't like playing with a lazy POS like Shaq, but they "made do" for a little while.

Now, he very much might find Carmelo to a bit lazy for him, but Kobe being the champion and elder statesman of that duo, I think it's just as likely Kobe pushes Carmelo.

Other HOFers?

Pau. They won two rings, and Pau didn't see his shots/game decrease at all upon going to LA. Pau was the perfect running mate for Kobe.

Howard and Nash? Come on. Nash is washed up. Howard was coming off surgery with god knows what going on between the ears. Then they got the worst possible coach for that trainwreck.

Not even going to bother with Malone and Payton.

is pau a hall of famer?

i think not

coulda been 6 or 8 rings had kobe been able to play with shaq, he'da passed jordan prolly

but the only thing more important to kobe than winning is being the reason they win

kobe is not going to age well, because he'll not be willing to accept any role other than king of the ### #### world

i pray mello goes to the lakers because i want to see hobbled old kobe and him clash and see the kobe apologists again say it is not kobe's fault that no great player can get along with him

kobe is among the best individual talents ever, but he is a ####ty teammate and always puts himself before the team. he's a great teamate if you accept his unchallengable authority and bow to his every whim....i don't see melo doing that

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Let's look at another pair of old, high-volume perimeter scorers that paired up.

29 YO SF that had never won a damn thing. Def. had a bit of rep as a me-first chucker. 18-20 shots/game most of career. Under 45% for 6 of his first 9 seasons.

31 YO SG that was accustomed to 20 or so shots/game every year. 4 of the previous 5 seasons (toiling away on a terrible team) were under 45%. A once great 3P shooter (and all time great) had been under 40% each of the previous 5 seasons.

Pierce and Allen teamed up, both went happily went down below 15 shots/game and saw their %s go way up.

Not the same players or the same situation, but when you see elite high volume shooters teams up the dynamic changes.

Not even close. Melo and Kobe are perhaps the two biggest chuckers the league has ever seen. They'd probably come to blows during timeouts arguing over who gets to take the contested jumper while being triple teamed to end the game.

The only recent possible comparison would have been pairing Iverson up with someone... but we know well he took to a 6th man role so it isn't hard to guess how he would have done with a co-star.

I love Iverson, but he's not Kobe.

In terms of inefficient volume, Iverson's a far worse offender than Kobe ever was. Iverson took almost 3 shots/game more than Kobe has at a putride 42.5% (Kobe 45.4%, like a Wesbrook-less Durant).

Even Iverson started taking about 5 fewer shots/game when he went to Denver. Heck, Iverson even saw 45% for the first time in over a decade in both of the 1st 2 seasons in the "failed" Denver experiment (where they won 50 games in the 2nd season).

And how many fewer shots did Kobe take last year when he was teamed up with 3 HOFers?

Come on. A washed PG, a mostly washed up PF, and a C coming off surgery that never wanted to be there?

Don't you mean a PG who shot almost 50% from the floor and 43% from 3? The best center in the game (who didn't want to be there because he had to play with Kobe) and one of the most talented power forwards in the game? Yup. Those guys.

 

[rodg12]

Let's look at another pair of old, high-volume perimeter scorers that paired up.

29 YO SF that had never won a damn thing. Def. had a bit of rep as a me-first chucker. 18-20 shots/game most of career. Under 45% for 6 of his first 9 seasons.

31 YO SG that was accustomed to 20 or so shots/game every year. 4 of the previous 5 seasons (toiling away on a terrible team) were under 45%. A once great 3P shooter (and all time great) had been under 40% each of the previous 5 seasons.

Pierce and Allen teamed up, both went happily went down below 15 shots/game and saw their %s go way up.

Not the same players or the same situation, but when you see elite high volume shooters teams up the dynamic changes.

no one is saying a team up of two elite players would not workwe are saying these two players will not work

History says that the "there's only one ball" concerns will more likely translate into "he's not seeing as much defensive attention and is getting much better looks".

History also says that guys that like to take a bunch of shots don't mind taking fewer shots when it's a HOFer they are now sharing the ball with.

There's plenty of reason to doubt these two particular players, but this would be a far different situation than either has ever experienced, so I don't think we can be sure they'll react negatively.

kobe's history of sharing with HOFers is not very good

I absolutely hate having to defend Kobe, but here we go.

First of all, he shared his way to 5 rings. Some would call that good.

Sure, he didn't like playing with a lazy POS like Shaq, but they "made do" for a little while.

Now, he very much might find Carmelo to a bit lazy for him, but Kobe being the champion and elder statesman of that duo, I think it's just as likely Kobe pushes Carmelo.

Other HOFers?

Pau. They won two rings, and Pau didn't see his shots/game decrease at all upon going to LA. Pau was the perfect running mate for Kobe.

Howard and Nash? Come on. Nash is washed up. Howard was coming off surgery with god knows what going on between the ears. Then they got the worst possible coach for that trainwreck.

Not even going to bother with Malone and Payton.

is pau a hall of famer?

i think not

coulda been 6 or 8 rings had kobe been able to play with shaq, he'da passed jordan prolly

but the only thing more important to kobe than winning is being the reason they win

kobe is not going to age well, because he'll not be willing to accept any role other than king of the ### #### world

i pray mello goes to the lakers because i want to see hobbled old kobe and him clash and see the kobe apologists again say it is not kobe's fault that no great player can get along with him

kobe is among the best individual talents ever, but he is a ####ty teammate and always puts himself before the team. he's a great teamate if you accept his unchallengable authority and bow to his every whim....i don't see melo doing that

Pau is unquestionably a HOFer.

 

[Abraham]

Gasol is absolutely getting in to the HOF.

 

[Gr00vus]

About the Foye deal.

Sounds like the TWolves are offering 4/48 to Pekovic.

Bucks/Hawks talking sign and trade swap of Jennings/Teague.

Monta to the Kings?

 

[B-Deep]

Gasol is absolutely getting in to the HOF.

ok

there is one HOFer kobe got along with

 

[pollardsvision]

Is Artest a HOFer?

 

[rodg12]

Is Artest a HOFer?

Nah. Not good enough stats and the Melee on top of that.

 

[B-Deep]

Is Artest a HOFer?

dear god i hope not

 

[Spartans Rule]

Sidney Moncrief isn't in the Hall of Fame. That pretty much shoots down any argument for Artest, since the Squid did everything as good or better than World Peace, and was a consummate professional as well.

 

[tommyGunZ]

is pau a hall of famer?


i think not

coulda been 6 or 8 rings had kobe been able to play with shaq, he'da passed jordan prolly

but the only thing more important to kobe than winning is being the reason they win

kobe is not going to age well, because he'll not be willing to accept any role other than king of the ### #### world

i pray mello goes to the lakers because i want to see hobbled old kobe and him clash and see the kobe apologists again say it is not kobe's fault that no great player can get along with him

kobe is among the best individual talents ever, but he is a ####ty teammate and always puts himself before the team. he's a great teamate if you accept his unchallengable authority and bow to his every whim....i don't see melo doing that

Lots of wrong in this post. Pau not a HOFer? Kobe not "aging well", despite the fact that he's already aged better than virtually any wing in NBA history?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Gasol is absolutely getting in to the HOF.

why? his international play?

 

[Abraham]

Gasol is absolutely getting in to the HOF.

why? his international play?

Second best player on a team with multiple rings always makes the hall.

 

[saintfool]

Austin Rivers ‏@AustinRivers2524 Jun
Lol I love when haters talk to me like they know what it's like to be in my shoes! ill prove them wrong next year, they will be silent haha.

Didn't Gilbert Arenas say the same thing to Javaris Criittenden at some point too?

 

[B-Deep]

is pau a hall of famer?


i think not

coulda been 6 or 8 rings had kobe been able to play with shaq, he'da passed jordan prolly

but the only thing more important to kobe than winning is being the reason they win

kobe is not going to age well, because he'll not be willing to accept any role other than king of the ### #### world

i pray mello goes to the lakers because i want to see hobbled old kobe and him clash and see the kobe apologists again say it is not kobe's fault that no great player can get along with him

kobe is among the best individual talents ever, but he is a ####ty teammate and always puts himself before the team. he's a great teamate if you accept his unchallengable authority and bow to his every whim....i don't see melo doing that

Lots of wrong in this post. Pau not a HOFer? Kobe not "aging well", despite the fact that he's already aged better than virtually any wing in NBA history?

the agung was going forward

as his skill diminish will his need to shoot as well? Not sure i would bank on it. Wiull he be able to surrender the limelight and be second fiddle ala d. wade? Doubt it

kobe's gotta be willing to think lakers and not kobe, good luck with that

 

[B-Deep]

and i am willing to accept that Pau is a hall of famer but he has got to be about the bottom rung of hall of fame.

So i'll give kobe that he was able to get along with one passive hall of famer who was willing to roll over when Kobe said to. This pretty much ensures him and Melo would be a dream team, much like nash/howard/kobe were

 

[SoCalBroncoFan]

and i am willing to accept that Pau is a hall of famer but he has got to be about the bottom rung of hall of fame.

So i'll give kobe that he was able to get along with one passive hall of famer who was willing to roll over when Kobe said to. This pretty much ensures him and Melo would be a dream team, much like nash/howard/kobe were

Well, if you are looking for a roll over guy to play with Kobe, then trade Gasol to the Heat for Bosh. Sign Melo in the off-season and you would have Nash at PG, Kobe at SG, Melo at SF and Bosh at PF.

Just threw this together so I am not sure it would actually work cap-wise.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Gasol is absolutely getting in to the HOF.

why? his international play?

Second best player on a team with multiple rings always makes the hall.

thats a big hall

 

[the moops]

and i am willing to accept that Pau is a hall of famer but he has got to be about the bottom rung of hall of fame.

So i'll give kobe that he was able to get along with one passive hall of famer who was willing to roll over when Kobe said to. This pretty much ensures him and Melo would be a dream team, much like nash/howard/kobe were

Well, if you are looking for a roll over guy to play with Kobe, then trade Gasol to the Heat for Bosh. Sign Melo in the off-season and you would have Nash at PG, Kobe at SG, Melo at SF and Bosh at PF.

Just threw this together so I am not sure it would actually work cap-wise.

Wouldn't come close to working cap-wise

 

[Abraham]

Gasol is absolutely getting in to the HOF.

why? his international play?

Second best player on a team with multiple rings always makes the hall.

thats a big hall

Not really. Same size as it was before you realized the second best player on multi-ring organizations always makes the hall of fame.

 

[Juxtatarot]

What about the second best player on the Rockets championship teams?

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

What about the second best player on the Rockets championship teams?

Clyde Drexler is in

 

[B-Deep]

Gasol is absolutely getting in to the HOF.

why? his international play?

Second best player on a team with multiple rings always makes the hall.

thats a big hall

Players who have been the second best player on at least two title teams since the mergerwyane Wade, Pau Gasol, Manu Ginobili, David Robinson, Kobe Bryant, Scottie Pippen, Joe Dumars, Kevin McHale, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

Note from an advanced stats perspective, there's a valid argument that Pau Gasol was actually the best player on 2010 LAL, but it's best to leave than can of worms closed.

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pau does not seem as good as most of those guys, though that may just be my perception

 

[sporthenry]

Pelicans really dont want to give Philly a top pick in this coming draft. If the Pelican make the playoffs that was a monster deal for them since I dont think Noel will be anything special at this level whenever healthy.

I agree that the trade probably doesn't look nearly as good for Philly now. I am higher on Noel than you. At worst, I think he develops into a rim protector. I always overrate young guys abilities to produce but it certainly seems like the Pelicans will be in contention for the playoffs. So goes from a possible 6-10 pick to a mid teen pick which is a pretty significant gap.

But if they win the lottery, they still come out as winners with the top pick in next years class which was the biggest reason for the trade.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Gasol is absolutely getting in to the HOF.

why? his international play?

Second best player on a team with multiple rings always makes the hall.

thats a big hall

Players who have been the second best player on at least two title teams since the mergerwyane Wade, Pau Gasol, Manu Ginobili, David Robinson, Kobe Bryant, Scottie Pippen, Joe Dumars, Kevin McHale, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

Note from an advanced stats perspective, there's a valid argument that Pau Gasol was actually the best player on 2010 LAL, but it's best to leave than can of worms closed.

see

pau does not seem as good as most of those guys, though that may just be my perception

Pau's has had just as good (if not a better) of a career as Manu has.

 

[Joe Summer]

What about the second best player on the Rockets championship teams?

They did not have anyone who was the "second best player" on both teams. (Otis Thorpe was the second best player for their first championship, but he was traded for Drexler before the second championship).I suppose you could make an argument that Vernon Maxwell was the 2nd best player on both teams, but he only played 1 game in the 1995 playoffs (after faking an injury because he was mad that the team traded for Drexler!).

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

I would have guessed Robert Horry as the 2nd best of those that played on both teams.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Gasol is absolutely getting in to the HOF.

why? his international play?

Second best player on a team with multiple rings always makes the hall.

thats a big hall

Players who have been the second best player on at least two title teams since the mergerwyane Wade, Pau Gasol, Manu Ginobili, David Robinson, Kobe Bryant, Scottie Pippen, Joe Dumars, Kevin McHale, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

Note from an advanced stats perspective, there's a valid argument that Pau Gasol was actually the best player on 2010 LAL, but it's best to leave than can of worms closed.

see

pau does not seem as good as most of those guys, though that may just be my perception

Pau's has had just as good (if not a better) of a career as Manu has.

Manu is a lock too? geez

 

[Mario Kart]

If Manu and Pau get into the Hall of Fame, it truly is the Hall of Medicroity.

 

[Abraham]

If Manu and Pau get into the Hall of Fame, it truly is the Hall of Medicroity.

Both guys have multiple NBA rings and have excelled in international play.