*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (5 Viewers)

[Good Posting Judge]

Asik for Durant.

 

[Premier]

Lebron for Crawford. Frees Miami's front court up.

 

[Encyclopedia Brown]

Crawford for Monroe

Come on man, stop.

Twenty years ago Abe was proposing a Pete Chilcutt for Scottie Pippen trade....and insisting that Chicago got the better end.

 

[pollardsvision]

Simmons /Lowe made a good point about Lowry and Asik last week: most contenders already have decent point guards and decent centers so dealing these two may be difficult. That said, I have faith in morey getting something of value. My guess at this point is a first round pick a few years out and a deep rotation guy. But just for grins, why not...

They make the mistake of saying contenders when they should be using buyers. NY and BKN, for example, are not contenders, but they are buyers. Maybe other teams who are looking to make a push into the 2nd round this season like ATL, WAS (backup PG/SG), CHI, etc. Lowry is going to bring back a bigger haul than Asik and you see the crap offers he's been generating...

Those seem like good spots, but how would Lowry handle being a back-up? I'd think that's an issue with nearly every trade destination.

 

[Premier]

I think Joe wants to trade Monroe, to smooth out the front court better, but not for Crawford, that makes no sense for a young team.

Then again its Joe D

Isn't his contract up? So he's going to get paid by someone and it probably isn't the pistons.

We are talking about Greg Monroe right? The young, extremely valuable 6'11 guy who plays a premium position? That guy?

That guy is also signed through next season and surely you know he's a restricted FA who can either have his contract matched and traded or just re-signed.

Not trying to be a #### but come on man.

 

[Abraham]

Asik to clippers

Crawford to Detroit

Smith to Houston.

Better?

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Simmons /Lowe made a good point about Lowry and Asik last week: most contenders already have decent point guards and decent centers so dealing these two may be difficult. That said, I have faith in morey getting something of value. My guess at this point is a first round pick a few years out and a deep rotation guy. But just for grins, why not...

They make the mistake of saying contenders when they should be using buyers. NY and BKN, for example, are not contenders, but they are buyers. Maybe other teams who are looking to make a push into the 2nd round this season like ATL, WAS (backup PG/SG), CHI, etc. Lowry is going to bring back a bigger haul than Asik and you see the crap offers he's been generating...

Those seem like good spots, but how would Lowry handle being a back-up? I'd think that's an issue with nearly every trade destination.

Not knowing the guy, it is pretty tough to say but I'm assuming if he can land on a team that is going into the playoffs and he could get 25-30 minutes a night, it wouldn't be much of an issue. Especially since he is going to be an FA and you'd think he'd like to minimize bad press. I can't seeing him signing as an FA for a role like that.

 

[Balco]

Asik to clippers

Crawford to Detroit

Smith to Houston.

Better?

Josh Smith on Houston does not fit. And worse than Asik, he hogs the ball. Houston needs a PF like Ryan Anderson or Bargani.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Asik to clippers

Crawford to Detroit

Smith to Houston.

Better?

Josh Smith on Houston does not fit. And worse than Asik, he hogs the ball. Houston needs a PF like Ryan Anderson or Bargani.

Smith takes 4.3 3's per game. Perfect fit.

 

[Encyclopedia Brown]

Asik to clippers

Crawford to Detroit

Smith to Houston.

Better?

Josh Smith on Houston does not fit. And worse than Asik, he hogs the ball. Houston needs a PF like Ryan Anderson or Bargani.

Dwight Howard to Minnesota for Robbie Hummel. Asik becomes the starting center, and Chandler Parsons gets a solid backup.

 

[nysfl2]

I think Joe wants to trade Monroe, to smooth out the front court better, but not for Crawford, that makes no sense for a young team.

Then again its Joe D

Monroe for Carmelo?

 

[AAABatteries]

Simmons /Lowe made a good point about Lowry and Asik last week: most contenders already have decent point guards and decent centers so dealing these two may be difficult. That said, I have faith in morey getting something of value. My guess at this point is a first round pick a few years out and a deep rotation guy. But just for grins, why not...

They make the mistake of saying contenders when they should be using buyers. NY and BKN, for example, are not contenders, but they are buyers. Maybe other teams who are looking to make a push into the 2nd round this season like ATL, WAS (backup PG/SG), CHI, etc. Lowry is going to bring back a bigger haul than Asik and you see the crap offers he's been generating...

I'm not sure what the Hawks should do. They have the core of a mediocre team and the East sucks so bad they have a realistic shot at the #3 seed. But it's fools gold. The core of this team will never win anything.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Simmons /Lowe made a good point about Lowry and Asik last week: most contenders already have decent point guards and decent centers so dealing these two may be difficult. That said, I have faith in morey getting something of value. My guess at this point is a first round pick a few years out and a deep rotation guy. But just for grins, why not...

They make the mistake of saying contenders when they should be using buyers. NY and BKN, for example, are not contenders, but they are buyers. Maybe other teams who are looking to make a push into the 2nd round this season like ATL, WAS (backup PG/SG), CHI, etc. Lowry is going to bring back a bigger haul than Asik and you see the crap offers he's been generating...

I'm not sure what the Hawks should do. They have the core of a mediocre team and the East sucks so bad they have a realistic shot at the #3 seed. But it's fools gold. The core of this team will never win anything.

They're in a tough spot. They could pick up Lowry for a couple expiring/small contracts (ie. Ayon, Carroll, Cunningham) and a protected first. Could save them a few bucks next year and makes them a better team. Not good enough to beat MIA/IND, but pretty much locks them into the 3 spot (if it isn't locked already).

 

[pollardsvision]

Simmons /Lowe made a good point about Lowry and Asik last week: most contenders already have decent point guards and decent centers so dealing these two may be difficult. That said, I have faith in morey getting something of value. My guess at this point is a first round pick a few years out and a deep rotation guy. But just for grins, why not...

They make the mistake of saying contenders when they should be using buyers. NY and BKN, for example, are not contenders, but they are buyers. Maybe other teams who are looking to make a push into the 2nd round this season like ATL, WAS (backup PG/SG), CHI, etc. Lowry is going to bring back a bigger haul than Asik and you see the crap offers he's been generating...

Those seem like good spots, but how would Lowry handle being a back-up? I'd think that's an issue with nearly every trade destination.

Not knowing the guy, it is pretty tough to say but I'm assuming if he can land on a team that is going into the playoffs and he could get 25-30 minutes a night, it wouldn't be much of an issue. Especially since he is going to be an FA and you'd think he'd like to minimize bad press. I can't seeing him signing as an FA for a role like that.

Maybe. I'm sure he doesn't want bad press, but I'm also pretty sure he doesn't want to be a back-up as he's heading towards the only shot he'll ever have to be vastly overpaid.

It probably doesn't matter though. I honestly think they'd have to nearly give him away to trade him.

He's a solid player and makes for a nice starting PG that might be able to be locked up for a reasonable contract.

But seriously, outside of a NY team, who's crazy enough to give up even a protected 1st round pick for a probably 45 games of Kyle Lowry (assuming his customary nicks)?

The only time giving real value for a guy in the final year of his contract ever comes close to making sense is for a slam dunk max-contract guy so you can be in position to give him more than everyone else (even then, it's extremely rare).

Not that teams always do what's smart, but the only teams that should be in the market for Lowry at all are teams that have a great shot to win a title this year. That's a tiny group, and none of them are really in position to give TOR anything of value at all for him.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Simmons /Lowe made a good point about Lowry and Asik last week: most contenders already have decent point guards and decent centers so dealing these two may be difficult. That said, I have faith in morey getting something of value. My guess at this point is a first round pick a few years out and a deep rotation guy. But just for grins, why not...

They make the mistake of saying contenders when they should be using buyers. NY and BKN, for example, are not contenders, but they are buyers. Maybe other teams who are looking to make a push into the 2nd round this season like ATL, WAS (backup PG/SG), CHI, etc. Lowry is going to bring back a bigger haul than Asik and you see the crap offers he's been generating...

Those seem like good spots, but how would Lowry handle being a back-up? I'd think that's an issue with nearly every trade destination.

Not knowing the guy, it is pretty tough to say but I'm assuming if he can land on a team that is going into the playoffs and he could get 25-30 minutes a night, it wouldn't be much of an issue. Especially since he is going to be an FA and you'd think he'd like to minimize bad press. I can't seeing him signing as an FA for a role like that.

Maybe. I'm sure he doesn't want bad press, but I'm also pretty sure he doesn't want to be a back-up as he's heading towards the only shot he'll ever have to be vastly overpaid.

It probably doesn't matter though. I honestly think they'd have to nearly give him away to trade him.

He's a solid player and makes for a nice starting PG that might be able to be locked up for a reasonable contract.

But seriously, outside of a NY team, who's crazy enough to give up even a protected 1st round pick for a probably 45 games of Kyle Lowry (assuming his customary nicks)?

The only time giving real value for a guy in the final year of his contract ever comes close to making sense is for a slam dunk max-contract guy so you can be in position to give him more than everyone else (even then, it's extremely rare).

Not that teams always do what's smart, but the only teams that should be in the market for Lowry at all are teams that have a great shot to win a title this year. That's a tiny group, and none of them are really in position to give TOR anything of value at all for him.

His minutes in Toronto are going to be diminished going forward. They are going to want to see what they have in Vasquez to know whether to qualify/extend him or let him walk in the off-season. It wasn't by much, but last night was one of his lowest minute totals of the season and that was with spending time with a 2 PG set.

I don't think that they're going to get a great haul for him but I don't think trash + a protected 1st is out of the question; or even Toronto eating a $5-6M in salary for next year to get a first.

GS would probably love to have him to fill Jack's role from last year. Speights + Douglas + 1st. Saves GS $3M in salary next year and makes them better this year.

Lakers for Nash + a 1st. Clears an extra $9M for the Lakers to go get Melo next year.

Minny for Shved + Cunningham + a 1st. Minny is desperate for the playoffs and they get some savings for next year.

Point is, I think the market is bigger than just the few true contenders and that someone will give up a late 1st or heavily protected pick for him. I'd be surprised if Lowry isn't gone before xmas with a 1st round pick coming back.

 

[Abraham]

Good post.

 

[Kev4029]

Simmons /Lowe made a good point about Lowry and Asik last week: most contenders already have decent point guards and decent centers so dealing these two may be difficult. That said, I have faith in morey getting something of value. My guess at this point is a first round pick a few years out and a deep rotation guy. But just for grins, why not...

Asik to Clippers

Crawford to detrot

Monroe to Houston

Clippers get interior rebounding and d help without dealing Jordan

Detroit gets a perimeter scorer and opens the 4 for smith.

Houston gets a tough 4 to put with Howard.

I wanna play....

Hickson, Chandler, Miller, 2015 1st rounder to Detroit

Monroe, Villenueva, Billups to Denver

Gives Detroit a legitimate starting SF, with a decent shooting touch and athleticism to match the rest of the team, a backup big with top flight athleticism and a backup PG who would help all of Detroit's athletes thrive.

Gives Denver a big that can score in the post to fit Shaw's offense.

 

[pollardsvision]

Simmons /Lowe made a good point about Lowry and Asik last week: most contenders already have decent point guards and decent centers so dealing these two may be difficult. That said, I have faith in morey getting something of value. My guess at this point is a first round pick a few years out and a deep rotation guy. But just for grins, why not...

They make the mistake of saying contenders when they should be using buyers. NY and BKN, for example, are not contenders, but they are buyers. Maybe other teams who are looking to make a push into the 2nd round this season like ATL, WAS (backup PG/SG), CHI, etc. Lowry is going to bring back a bigger haul than Asik and you see the crap offers he's been generating...

Those seem like good spots, but how would Lowry handle being a back-up? I'd think that's an issue with nearly every trade destination.

Not knowing the guy, it is pretty tough to say but I'm assuming if he can land on a team that is going into the playoffs and he could get 25-30 minutes a night, it wouldn't be much of an issue. Especially since he is going to be an FA and you'd think he'd like to minimize bad press. I can't seeing him signing as an FA for a role like that.

Maybe. I'm sure he doesn't want bad press, but I'm also pretty sure he doesn't want to be a back-up as he's heading towards the only shot he'll ever have to be vastly overpaid.

It probably doesn't matter though. I honestly think they'd have to nearly give him away to trade him.

He's a solid player and makes for a nice starting PG that might be able to be locked up for a reasonable contract.

But seriously, outside of a NY team, who's crazy enough to give up even a protected 1st round pick for a probably 45 games of Kyle Lowry (assuming his customary nicks)?

The only time giving real value for a guy in the final year of his contract ever comes close to making sense is for a slam dunk max-contract guy so you can be in position to give him more than everyone else (even then, it's extremely rare).

Not that teams always do what's smart, but the only teams that should be in the market for Lowry at all are teams that have a great shot to win a title this year. That's a tiny group, and none of them are really in position to give TOR anything of value at all for him.

His minutes in Toronto are going to be diminished going forward. They are going to want to see what they have in Vasquez to know whether to qualify/extend him or let him walk in the off-season. It wasn't by much, but last night was one of his lowest minute totals of the season and that was with spending time with a 2 PG set.

I don't think that they're going to get a great haul for him but I don't think trash + a protected 1st is out of the question; or even Toronto eating a $5-6M in salary for next year to get a first.

GS would probably love to have him to fill Jack's role from last year. Speights + Douglas + 1st. Saves GS $3M in salary next year and makes them better this year.

Lakers for Nash + a 1st. Clears an extra $9M for the Lakers to go get Melo next year.

Minny for Shved + Cunningham + a 1st. Minny is desperate for the playoffs and they get some savings for next year.

Point is, I think the market is bigger than just the few true contenders and that someone will give up a late 1st or heavily protected pick for him. I'd be surprised if Lowry isn't gone before xmas with a 1st round pick coming back.

All fair points and maybe you're exactly right, but I'm skeptical.

GSW makes some sense and it would seemingly be a nice fit. Though, I only say that because I think they are actually a contender. And there are other considerations. We have no idea if Lowry would be happy in that role, and it could be that giving a 1st and whatever Speights brings might be overkill to fill the microwave combo G off the bench role. Especially for a team with 2 outstanding distributors already and a roster full of guys that can pass and shoot. As the season goes on, I expect the cost of a rental combo guard to drop like a rock.

GSW is one of the best landing spots, but even then, that pick better be protected well into the 20's and not for this draft.

I want to poke holes in the Laker thing, but that whole thing is just crazy enough for little Buss to do it. And, of course, we should all be rooting for that.

 

[Short Corner]

Simmons /Lowe made a good point about Lowry and Asik last week: most contenders already have decent point guards and decent centers so dealing these two may be difficult. That said, I have faith in morey getting something of value. My guess at this point is a first round pick a few years out and a deep rotation guy. But just for grins, why not...

They make the mistake of saying contenders when they should be using buyers. NY and BKN, for example, are not contenders, but they are buyers. Maybe other teams who are looking to make a push into the 2nd round this season like ATL, WAS (backup PG/SG), CHI, etc. Lowry is going to bring back a bigger haul than Asik and you see the crap offers he's been generating...

Those seem like good spots, but how would Lowry handle being a back-up? I'd think that's an issue with nearly every trade destination.

Not knowing the guy, it is pretty tough to say but I'm assuming if he can land on a team that is going into the playoffs and he could get 25-30 minutes a night, it wouldn't be much of an issue. Especially since he is going to be an FA and you'd think he'd like to minimize bad press. I can't seeing him signing as an FA for a role like that.

Maybe. I'm sure he doesn't want bad press, but I'm also pretty sure he doesn't want to be a back-up as he's heading towards the only shot he'll ever have to be vastly overpaid.

It probably doesn't matter though. I honestly think they'd have to nearly give him away to trade him.

He's a solid player and makes for a nice starting PG that might be able to be locked up for a reasonable contract.

But seriously, outside of a NY team, who's crazy enough to give up even a protected 1st round pick for a probably 45 games of Kyle Lowry (assuming his customary nicks)?

The only time giving real value for a guy in the final year of his contract ever comes close to making sense is for a slam dunk max-contract guy so you can be in position to give him more than everyone else (even then, it's extremely rare).

Not that teams always do what's smart, but the only teams that should be in the market for Lowry at all are teams that have a great shot to win a title this year. That's a tiny group, and none of them are really in position to give TOR anything of value at all for him.

His minutes in Toronto are going to be diminished going forward. They are going to want to see what they have in Vasquez to know whether to qualify/extend him or let him walk in the off-season. It wasn't by much, but last night was one of his lowest minute totals of the season and that was with spending time with a 2 PG set.

I don't think that they're going to get a great haul for him but I don't think trash + a protected 1st is out of the question; or even Toronto eating a $5-6M in salary for next year to get a first.

GS would probably love to have him to fill Jack's role from last year. Speights + Douglas + 1st. Saves GS $3M in salary next year and makes them better this year.

Lakers for Nash + a 1st. Clears an extra $9M for the Lakers to go get Melo next year.

Minny for Shved + Cunningham + a 1st. Minny is desperate for the playoffs and they get some savings for next year.

Point is, I think the market is bigger than just the few true contenders and that someone will give up a late 1st or heavily protected pick for him. I'd be surprised if Lowry isn't gone before xmas with a 1st round pick coming back.

LAL and GSW don't have a pick to ship until 2019.

ETA---Minny until 2018

 

[pollardsvision]

Forgot about the GSW/Iggy picks.

So, the Lakers giving the Suns a pick where they won't know what year it's going to be given between 2015-2018 means they can't trade any of those picks in that range? I didn't know that.

That Nash trade was such a slam dunk.

You give 2 1sts and some 2nds for an old beat up guy. Then, a year later when you'd desperately love to give away more picks just to get him off your roster, those earlier picks even prevent them from being able to do that.

The little Buss era is going to be the gift that keeps on giving.

 

[Short Corner]

Forgot about the GSW/Iggy picks.

So, the Lakers giving the Suns a pick where they won't know what year it's going to be given between 2015-2018 means they can't trade any of those picks in that range? I didn't know that.

That Nash trade was such a slam dunk.

You give 2 1sts and some 2nds for an old beat up guy. Then, a year later when you'd desperately love to give away more picks just to get him off your roster, those earlier picks even prevent them from being able to do that.

The little Buss era is going to be the gift that keeps on giving.

Until a pick is conveyed, it is assumed that it happens in any year in the range.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Simmons /Lowe made a good point about Lowry and Asik last week: most contenders already have decent point guards and decent centers so dealing these two may be difficult. That said, I have faith in morey getting something of value. My guess at this point is a first round pick a few years out and a deep rotation guy. But just for grins, why not...

They make the mistake of saying contenders when they should be using buyers. NY and BKN, for example, are not contenders, but they are buyers. Maybe other teams who are looking to make a push into the 2nd round this season like ATL, WAS (backup PG/SG), CHI, etc. Lowry is going to bring back a bigger haul than Asik and you see the crap offers he's been generating...

Those seem like good spots, but how would Lowry handle being a back-up? I'd think that's an issue with nearly every trade destination.

Not knowing the guy, it is pretty tough to say but I'm assuming if he can land on a team that is going into the playoffs and he could get 25-30 minutes a night, it wouldn't be much of an issue. Especially since he is going to be an FA and you'd think he'd like to minimize bad press. I can't seeing him signing as an FA for a role like that.

Maybe. I'm sure he doesn't want bad press, but I'm also pretty sure he doesn't want to be a back-up as he's heading towards the only shot he'll ever have to be vastly overpaid.

It probably doesn't matter though. I honestly think they'd have to nearly give him away to trade him.

He's a solid player and makes for a nice starting PG that might be able to be locked up for a reasonable contract.

But seriously, outside of a NY team, who's crazy enough to give up even a protected 1st round pick for a probably 45 games of Kyle Lowry (assuming his customary nicks)?

The only time giving real value for a guy in the final year of his contract ever comes close to making sense is for a slam dunk max-contract guy so you can be in position to give him more than everyone else (even then, it's extremely rare).

Not that teams always do what's smart, but the only teams that should be in the market for Lowry at all are teams that have a great shot to win a title this year. That's a tiny group, and none of them are really in position to give TOR anything of value at all for him.

His minutes in Toronto are going to be diminished going forward. They are going to want to see what they have in Vasquez to know whether to qualify/extend him or let him walk in the off-season. It wasn't by much, but last night was one of his lowest minute totals of the season and that was with spending time with a 2 PG set.

I don't think that they're going to get a great haul for him but I don't think trash + a protected 1st is out of the question; or even Toronto eating a $5-6M in salary for next year to get a first.

GS would probably love to have him to fill Jack's role from last year. Speights + Douglas + 1st. Saves GS $3M in salary next year and makes them better this year.

Lakers for Nash + a 1st. Clears an extra $9M for the Lakers to go get Melo next year.

Minny for Shved + Cunningham + a 1st. Minny is desperate for the playoffs and they get some savings for next year.

Point is, I think the market is bigger than just the few true contenders and that someone will give up a late 1st or heavily protected pick for him. I'd be surprised if Lowry isn't gone before xmas with a 1st round pick coming back.

All fair points and maybe you're exactly right, but I'm skeptical.

GSW makes some sense and it would seemingly be a nice fit. Though, I only say that because I think they are actually a contender. And there are other considerations. We have no idea if Lowry would be happy in that role, and it could be that giving a 1st and whatever Speights brings might be overkill to fill the microwave combo G off the bench role. Especially for a team with 2 outstanding distributors already and a roster full of guys that can pass and shoot. As the season goes on, I expect the cost of a rental combo guard to drop like a rock.

GSW is one of the best landing spots, but even then, that pick better be protected well into the 20's and not for this draft.

I want to poke holes in the Laker thing, but that whole thing is just crazy enough for little Buss to do it. And, of course, we should all be rooting for that.

I can't see him not liking that role is GS. Tons of national attention on everyone's favourite bandwagon team. Plus, he saw how it worked out for Jack and Lowry is younger and better. A little bit of a different situation than backing up Calderon or Dragic on bottom feeder teams. I just choose Speights as cap fodder. Could be anyone that makes it work and GS wants rid of.

For Lakers, it is under the assumption that:

a) they want cap space next season

b) Nash is toast, they need a competent PG and the only team willing to eat Nash's deal would probably be Toronto (for marketing and tanking reasons)

c) to appease Kobe by adding a little skill

d) the PG FA class next year is terrible and they may have interest in keeping him

e) Buss

And in regards to the years of those picks as you and Short Corner mention (I hadn't checked to see what teams had what), I don't really think it matters to Toronto. The rumoured deal to the Knicks would have been a pick in 2018, 2020 for the Nets.

I haven't checked, what other rental guards are out there this year with smallish, expiring deals?

 

[pollardsvision]

I'd assume there's a chance Sessions could be available at some point. He's a $5 mill. expiring. Ben Gordon is expiring, but of course, he's making $13 mill, so that's probably out of the question for anybody. No idea if CHA will want to throw in the towel anytime soon.

If the BOS is serious about tanking, they need to ship Jordan Crawford out (not happening, of course, but 2 months ago, nobody would've though Jordan would become a player BOS would have any problem dealing). $2 mill this year and a $3 mill. qualifying offer for next year.

Marshon Brooks also expiring.

Other crappy expiring G's on teams that probably won't be selling but probably should:

Hinrich

CJ Miles

All the Laker guys

The white back-ups in MIL

Udrih

Jameer (but the $8 mill is obviously a problem)

Not a ton of great options, but if some of them become available, GSW could have some options if they want a cheap way to replace the Jack role (which is a little less important anyway with Iggy in town). Giving a 1st with modest protection might not be the route they want to go for a guy to be their 6th or 7th best player for 50 games before he leaves for good.

 

[Short Corner]

Simmons /Lowe made a good point about Lowry and Asik last week: most contenders already have decent point guards and decent centers so dealing these two may be difficult. That said, I have faith in morey getting something of value. My guess at this point is a first round pick a few years out and a deep rotation guy. But just for grins, why not...

They make the mistake of saying contenders when they should be using buyers. NY and BKN, for example, are not contenders, but they are buyers. Maybe other teams who are looking to make a push into the 2nd round this season like ATL, WAS (backup PG/SG), CHI, etc. Lowry is going to bring back a bigger haul than Asik and you see the crap offers he's been generating...

Those seem like good spots, but how would Lowry handle being a back-up? I'd think that's an issue with nearly every trade destination.

Not knowing the guy, it is pretty tough to say but I'm assuming if he can land on a team that is going into the playoffs and he could get 25-30 minutes a night, it wouldn't be much of an issue. Especially since he is going to be an FA and you'd think he'd like to minimize bad press. I can't seeing him signing as an FA for a role like that.

Maybe. I'm sure he doesn't want bad press, but I'm also pretty sure he doesn't want to be a back-up as he's heading towards the only shot he'll ever have to be vastly overpaid.

It probably doesn't matter though. I honestly think they'd have to nearly give him away to trade him.

He's a solid player and makes for a nice starting PG that might be able to be locked up for a reasonable contract.

But seriously, outside of a NY team, who's crazy enough to give up even a protected 1st round pick for a probably 45 games of Kyle Lowry (assuming his customary nicks)?

The only time giving real value for a guy in the final year of his contract ever comes close to making sense is for a slam dunk max-contract guy so you can be in position to give him more than everyone else (even then, it's extremely rare).

Not that teams always do what's smart, but the only teams that should be in the market for Lowry at all are teams that have a great shot to win a title this year. That's a tiny group, and none of them are really in position to give TOR anything of value at all for him.

His minutes in Toronto are going to be diminished going forward. They are going to want to see what they have in Vasquez to know whether to qualify/extend him or let him walk in the off-season. It wasn't by much, but last night was one of his lowest minute totals of the season and that was with spending time with a 2 PG set.

I don't think that they're going to get a great haul for him but I don't think trash + a protected 1st is out of the question; or even Toronto eating a $5-6M in salary for next year to get a first.

GS would probably love to have him to fill Jack's role from last year. Speights + Douglas + 1st. Saves GS $3M in salary next year and makes them better this year.

Lakers for Nash + a 1st. Clears an extra $9M for the Lakers to go get Melo next year.

Minny for Shved + Cunningham + a 1st. Minny is desperate for the playoffs and they get some savings for next year.

Point is, I think the market is bigger than just the few true contenders and that someone will give up a late 1st or heavily protected pick for him. I'd be surprised if Lowry isn't gone before xmas with a 1st round pick coming back.

All fair points and maybe you're exactly right, but I'm skeptical.

GSW makes some sense and it would seemingly be a nice fit. Though, I only say that because I think they are actually a contender. And there are other considerations. We have no idea if Lowry would be happy in that role, and it could be that giving a 1st and whatever Speights brings might be overkill to fill the microwave combo G off the bench role. Especially for a team with 2 outstanding distributors already and a roster full of guys that can pass and shoot. As the season goes on, I expect the cost of a rental combo guard to drop like a rock.

GSW is one of the best landing spots, but even then, that pick better be protected well into the 20's and not for this draft.

I want to poke holes in the Laker thing, but that whole thing is just crazy enough for little Buss to do it. And, of course, we should all be rooting for that.

I can't see him not liking that role is GS. Tons of national attention on everyone's favourite bandwagon team. Plus, he saw how it worked out for Jack and Lowry is younger and better. A little bit of a different situation than backing up Calderon or Dragic on bottom feeder teams. I just choose Speights as cap fodder. Could be anyone that makes it work and GS wants rid of.

For Lakers, it is under the assumption that:

a) they want cap space next season

b) Nash is toast, they need a competent PG and the only team willing to eat Nash's deal would probably be Toronto (for marketing and tanking reasons)

c) to appease Kobe by adding a little skill

d) the PG FA class next year is terrible and they may have interest in keeping him

e) Buss

And in regards to the years of those picks as you and Short Corner mention (I hadn't checked to see what teams had what), I don't really think it matters to Toronto. The rumoured deal to the Knicks would have been a pick in 2018, 2020 for the Nets.

I haven't checked, what other rental guards are out there this year with smallish, expiring deals?

I missed the pick to ORL earlier. First pick LAL can ship right now is 2021.

 

[Short Corner]

I had my doubts that Kobe would catch Stockton,especially after the injury, but it looks like he will get there easily. The injury may only prevent him from passing him this year.

 

[valhallan]

Blazers just stroking jumpers tonight.

 

[valhallan]

Blazers have 18 threes going into the 4th. Record is 23.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Raptors looked pretty good tonight (although the Bulls have been in a month long funk).

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Best thing that could happen for the Bulls would be to go into a season long funk.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Raptors looked pretty good tonight (although the Bulls have been in a month long funk).

They've played great since being cured of the Gay. Completely different team on offence.

Toronto gets rid of their iso ball hog = 3-1

Lakers get their iso ball hog back = 1-3

Coincidence? I think not.

 

[biggamer3]

Nets have really yet to have Lopez and Deron on the floor together, not really panic time. The record blows but they will easily win the Atlantic if they dont lose either of those guys for an extended time.

BTW is Abe trolling with these trades, Monroe for Jamal might be the funniest serious trade if he isnt.

 

[Daywalker]

Can someone clarify the Lakers 1st round picks going forward the next few year's? Lakers have their likely lottery pick this year correct?

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Can someone clarify the Lakers 1st round picks going forward the next few year's? Lakers have their likely lottery pick this year correct?

I only know of 2015, which goes to Phoenix for Steve Nash (top-5 protected in 2015, top-3 protected in 2016 and 2017, unprotected in 2018), plus a conditional first round pick in 2017 to Orlando for Dwight Howard (if the pick is in the top-5, then it converts to two 2nd-round picks).

So, if the 2017 pick is 1-3, it could stay in L.A.; if it's 4 or 5, it could go to Phoenix, and if it's 6-30 then it goes to Orlando.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I'd assume there's a chance Sessions could be available at some point. He's a $5 mill. expiring. Ben Gordon is expiring, but of course, he's making $13 mill, so that's probably out of the question for anybody. No idea if CHA will want to throw in the towel anytime soon.

If the BOS is serious about tanking, they need to ship Jordan Crawford out (not happening, of course, but 2 months ago, nobody would've though Jordan would become a player BOS would have any problem dealing). $2 mill this year and a $3 mill. qualifying offer for next year.

Marshon Brooks also expiring.

Other crappy expiring G's on teams that probably won't be selling but probably should:

Hinrich

CJ Miles

All the Laker guys

The white back-ups in MIL

Udrih

Jameer (but the $8 mill is obviously a problem)

Not a ton of great options, but if some of them become available, GSW could have some options if they want a cheap way to replace the Jack role (which is a little less important anyway with Iggy in town). Giving a 1st with modest protection might not be the route they want to go for a guy to be their 6th or 7th best player for 50 games before he leaves for good.

Crawford would be the best of the bunch but you're right, Boston wouldn't/shouldn't give him up. Pretty big dropoff from Lowry to the rest of those guys IMO. We'll find out shortly. Should be a couple moves this week now that recently signed FA's can be traded.

 

[Abraham]

Asik rumor round up:

- asked Charlotte for two first and the right to switch firsts in a third draft. That's a lot

- millsaps is top target but no indication that Atlanta will trade him.

- sixers and bucks approached about Thad young and illyasova

- Andy v discussion went nowhere.

 

[Short Corner]

Can someone clarify the Lakers 1st round picks going forward the next few year's? Lakers have their likely lottery pick this year correct?

I only know of 2015, which goes to Phoenix for Steve Nash (top-5 protected in 2015, top-3 protected in 2016 and 2017, unprotected in 2018), plus a conditional first round pick in 2017 to Orlando for Dwight Howard (if the pick is in the top-5, then it converts to two 2nd-round picks).

So, if the 2017 pick is 1-3, it could stay in L.A.; if it's 4 or 5, it could go to Phoenix, and if it's 6-30 then it goes to Orlando.

1st to PHX is top 5 protected in 2015, top 3 protected in 2016 and 2017, unprotected in 2018

1st to Orlando two years after the pick is conveyed to PHX, unless it is the unprotected in 2018, then it converts to 2017 2nd and 2018 2nd.

The ORL pick is top 5 protected in 2017 and 2018, unprotected in 2019.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Asik rumor round up:

- asked Charlotte for two first and the right to switch firsts in a third draft. That's a lot

- millsaps is top target but no indication that Atlanta will trade him.

- sixers and bucks approached about Thad young and illyasova

- Andy v discussion went nowhere.

Where do you find these?

 

[Abraham]

Asik rumor round up:

- asked Charlotte for two first and the right to switch firsts in a third draft. That's a lot

- millsaps is top target but no indication that Atlanta will trade him.

- sixers and bucks approached about Thad young and illyasova

- Andy v discussion went nowhere.

Where do you find these?

Clutch fans. The forums are awful. If you think in bad you should go in there and kick around.

But the guy that runs the site does an excellent job of collating information from different outlets and reporters and sources.

 

[the moops]

Millsap

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Asik rumor round up:

- asked Charlotte for two first and the right to switch firsts in a third draft. That's a lot

- millsaps is top target but no indication that Atlanta will trade him.

- sixers and bucks approached about Thad young and illyasova

- Andy v discussion went nowhere.

Where do you find these?

Clutch fans. The forums are awful. If you think in bad you should go in there and kick around.

But the guy that runs the site does an excellent job of collating information from different outlets and reporters and sources.

You really need to stop reading that site. Stick with hoopshype.com as an aggregator.

 

[thecatch]

Asik rumor round up:

- asked Charlotte for two first and the right to switch firsts in a third draft. That's a lot

- millsaps is top target but no indication that Atlanta will trade him.

- sixers and bucks approached about Thad young and illyasova

- Andy v discussion went nowhere.

Where do you find these?

Clutch fans. The forums are awful. If you think in bad you should go in there and kick around.But the guy that runs the site does an excellent job of collating information from different outlets and reporters and sources.

You really need to stop reading that site. Stick with hoopshype.com as an aggregator.

Lowe or some other reporter wrote something about morey asking for the two picks from the bobcats. Abe isn't making that up.Also hoopshype is a disaster now. I don't want to answer a poll question just so I can see the salaries page. Yuck.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Asik rumor round up:

- asked Charlotte for two first and the right to switch firsts in a third draft. That's a lot

- millsaps is top target but no indication that Atlanta will trade him.

- sixers and bucks approached about Thad young and illyasova

- Andy v discussion went nowhere.

Where do you find these?

Clutch fans. The forums are awful. If you think in bad you should go in there and kick around.But the guy that runs the site does an excellent job of collating information from different outlets and reporters and sources.

You really need to stop reading that site. Stick with hoopshype.com as an aggregator.

Lowe or some other reporter wrote something about morey asking for the two picks from the bobcats. Abe isn't making that up.Also hoopshype is a disaster now. I don't want to answer a poll question just so I can see the salaries page. Yuck.

Is Abe Morey in disguise? Can't believe he'd think three 1sts was possible.

Morey is indeed asking a lot, which is why at least one unnamed executive

reportedly referred to his demands as "delusional."

Yeah, the poll questions are damn annoying.

 

[pollardsvision]

I'm terrified that the Asik/Bobcats thing made it to the rumor phase. You'd think that would mean there's some interest on some level. Ugh.

That's not even a call CHA should be answering, unless it's to tell Morey to #### himself. Asik probably makes even less sense on the Bobcats than the Rockets.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Haralabos Voulgaris ‏@haralabob17h
Kobe has just been terrible, not a surprise coming off that injury. But still so odd seeing him play THIS bad.

 

[Sammy3469]

I'm terrified that the Asik/Bobcats thing made it to the rumor phase. You'd think that would mean there's some interest on some level. Ugh.

That's not even a call CHA should be answering, unless it's to tell Morey to #### himself. Asik probably makes even less sense on the Bobcats than the Rockets.

Lowe said in Simmons podcast on Friday that what Morey requested from the Bobcats cw directly from a 3rd GM (implying the Bobcats told the 3rd GM and Moreys proposal and laughed at him).

I don't think the market is nearly what Morey thinks Asik is worth. There just aren't the trade partners and those that are interested arent that interested in giving up multiple first round picks for a guy who isn't a franchise center. The easy marks are either tapped out or aren't easy marks any longer.

 

[thecatch]

Hey this Rudy Gay guy is pretty good.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Hey this Rudy Gay guy is pretty good.

He's become criminally underrated by those who believe numbers tell the entire story. His ability to create his own shot on a team with other good players is extremely valuable. Memphis and Toronto were awful fits.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

 

[Abraham]

Hey this Rudy Gay guy is pretty good.

He's become criminally underrated by those who believe numbers tell the entire story. His ability to create his own shot on a team with other good players is extremely valuable. Memphis and Toronto were awful fits.

Well, compared to your favorite player id suggest that gay is indeed fairly paid.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Hey this Rudy Gay guy is pretty good.

He's become criminally underrated by those who believe numbers tell the entire story. His ability to create his own shot on a team with other good players is extremely valuable. Memphis and Toronto were awful fits.