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[the moops]

Jesus, the Bulls dropped the ball big time.This one is going to hurt.

Not really. Bulls just can't lose Noah and expect to beat Boston/Miami/Orlando.I'm sure they offered all the packages they could without including Noah. Den just wasn't interested.

I think a Rose/Anthony/Boozer trio would have been very solid.

Exactly, that trio could compete with Miami. What is the point of all of this if you aren't going to be able to beat the good teams?

Bosh > BoozerLebron > CarmeloWade > RoseSo no, that trio could not compete with the Heat.

 

[thecatch]

Jesus, the Bulls dropped the ball big time.

This one is going to hurt.

Not really. Bulls just can't lose Noah and expect to beat Boston/Miami/Orlando.I'm sure they offered all the packages they could without including Noah. Den just wasn't interested.

I think a Rose/Anthony/Boozer trio would have been very solid.

Exactly, that trio could compete with Miami. What is the point of all of this if you aren't going to be able to beat the good teams?

Bosh > BoozerLebron > Carmelo

Wade > Rose

So no, that trio could not compete with the Heat.

They could certainly compete. That matchup would be fun to watch. Is Miami better still? Sure, but Miami's top 3 are going to beat just about any other conceivable combination of 3 players. I'd do it in a heartbeat if I were the Bulls.

 

[Master of Past and Present]

If Im the Nets - Monday am or out - think by tonight we'll know - I'm fine either way

Carmelo Anthony is not sold on the Nets. In spite of a report he had agreed to sign an extension with New Jersey and the team's confidence he would agree to sign, Yahoo! Sports reports early Sunday that not only is Denver wavering, so is Anthony.

"Anthony’s willingness to accept a contract extension with the Nets has begun to deteriorate over the weekend," write Adrian Wojnarowski and Marc J. Spears. "Sources said at least some part of his uneasiness has come from conversations with former Nets players around the league."

Anthony has been told that despite new ownership and a new arena, there's "empty seats, fan apathy and second-class citizenship in the shadows of the Knicks."

So, Anthony has been pressing team management to get him a deal with the Knicks, among others, staying in constant contact with them. Meanwhile, multiple reports out of New Jersey, New York and Colorado suggest the deal will either succeed or collapse on Sunday. One thing is certain: the Nets are willing to make as many moves as necessary to get agreements from Anthony and the Nuggets so they can make the the three-time all-Star the face of their franchise.

I think the Nuggets organization and Melo's people are both dropping the ball here. If Melo wants out this year, I think this is his one and only chance, there is no way the Nuggets are taking the crap NY has to offer, and Luol Deng's contract is terrible so there is no way he is going to find his way in Denver. As for Denver, this is the best offer they are going to find, take it and be happy.ETA: Noah is looking for a 5 year 70 million dollar contract, what a joke, Deng's bad contract plus Noah's bad contract is a good way to run a franchise into the ground.

Yahoo is running a story that Kobe is advising Melo not to get out just to get out. Make sure to be happy with the situation. Maybe Melo is just deciding that 1 more year in Denver is better than 4 in NJ. If he really wants to play in NY with Amare and have Paul join them, is it really worth it to him to go to NJ instead just to escape Denver 1 year sooner? And who knows, maybe he can be such a tool in the lock room that Denver is begging to take NY scraps at mid-season to get rid of him. Melo's people aren't dropping the ball if Melo is deciding 1 year in Denver is better than 4 in NJ.

Kobe's advice

 

[No. 16]

Really? Have you seen what teams get for disgruntled stars that want out...especially in a walk year? A prospect like Favors who went #3 overall plus a solid PF in Kirlinko with salary cap relief and 2 #1 pciks is a great haul for Denver.....Word is Nets going to bail soon if not locked in....will love to see what Denver eventually gets if that happens...if anything! He's not going to sign in Denver regardless...

Kirilenko and non-lottery picks = Trash. Like I said I've never seen a 26-year-old player willing to leave 5-6 mill/year and possibly more on the table. Just doesn't happen.

The GSW pick will likely be a lottery pick, and the NJN pick is the best the Nuggets could get from any team willing to trade their own picks for Melo. I would rather have a happy Melo than what they are getting, but its clear he wants out, and this is the best the Nuggets are going to get to stay in the playoffs this year and stay good into the future.

The GS pick is lottery protected for the Top 7. However, I think the value of the GS picks drops when Denver trades Melo. That's one less playoff team in the West and with a healthy team the Warriors certainly can compete for a playoff spot out West.

 

[Masked Vigilante]

Jesus, the Bulls dropped the ball big time.This one is going to hurt.

Not really. Bulls just can't lose Noah and expect to beat Boston/Miami/Orlando.I'm sure they offered all the packages they could without including Noah. Den just wasn't interested.

I think a Rose/Anthony/Boozer trio would have been very solid.

Exactly, that trio could compete with Miami. What is the point of all of this if you aren't going to be able to beat the good teams?

Bosh > BoozerLebron > CarmeloWade > RoseSo no, that trio could not compete with the Heat.

Are you fishing?These 1 on 1 comparisons don't prove anything. The Heat would have more raw talent but the Bulls trio might compliment each other better than Miami thrice.

 

[Kev4029]

Bosh > BoozerLebron > CarmeloWade > RoseSo no, that trio could not compete with the Heat.

Are you fishing?These 1 on 1 comparisons don't prove anything. The Heat would have more raw talent but the Bulls trio might compliment each other better than Miami thrice.

Three guys that shoot too much and don't pass well for their position and as a trio would generously referred to as below average defensively? Come on... and on top of that, Miami would probably have a better surrounding cast.

 

[Bobcat10]

MIAMI -- The Miami Heat have decided not to offer a contract to free agent center Erick Dampier, who worked out for the team earlier this week.

What is Pat Riley thinking? Dampier is the perfect big man for them for 24 minutes per game! They would have been a lock to win the NBA title by adding Dampier!

Nice end to page 122.

 

[Kiddnets]

Today is media day in Denver - speculation if if Melo shows up then the deal is likely off.....weekend info on the deal

Denver still fishing for better offers - Iggy offered from Philly and possibly Stephen Curry from GS but Melo definitely will not sign extension with them

Jay-Z met with CAA late last week to sell them on Nets and seemed to have helped

Still no definite word on if MElo would sign with NEts - iinfo coming out both ways

Nets/Denver may cut Jazz/Charlotte loose and deal directly - more salary coming to NJ

Seemed like next 48 hrs are critical to Nets GM although he puts no timetable on it....cant see how this can drag on much longer though - starting to look like "The Decision 2"

 

[Bobcat10]

Today is media day in Denver - speculation if if Melo shows up then the deal is likely off.....weekend info on the dealDenver still fishing for better offers - Iggy offered from Philly and possibly Stephen Curry from GS but Melo definitely will not sign extension with themJay-Z met with CAA late last week to sell them on Nets and seemed to have helpedStill no definite word on if MElo would sign with NEts - iinfo coming out both waysNets/Denver may cut Jazz/Charlotte loose and deal directly - more salary coming to NJSeemed like next 48 hrs are critical to Nets GM although he puts no timetable on it....cant see how this can drag on much longer though - starting to look like "The Decision 2"

CAA = Carmello Anthony and Associates?

 

[Abraham]

No idea what the "true" parts of the story are, but the whole "Anthony is pushing the Nuggets to get him to the Knicks" angle is hilarious. If I were Nuggets management I'd tell Team 'Melo, "Tell you what....since you are so intent on getting to New York, why don't YOU work out a deal with them and bring it to us. You talk to the Knicks and put together a deal that looks even REMOTELY acceptable for a player as good as you think you are. You get their best package and then look in the mirror and ask yourself, 'is this really all I am worth'?"

 

[=Smackdown=]

So the Knicks have no shot at Melo because they don't have a 1st rd pick until 2027?

Didn't they trade a 1st rd pick for Tracy McGrady?

 

[Sammy3469]

No idea what the "true" parts of the story are, but the whole "Anthony is pushing the Nuggets to get him to the Knicks" angle is hilarious. If I were Nuggets management I'd tell Team 'Melo, "Tell you what....since you are so intent on getting to New York, why don't YOU work out a deal with them and bring it to us. You talk to the Knicks and put together a deal that looks even REMOTELY acceptable for a player as good as you think you are. You get their best package and then look in the mirror and ask yourself, 'is this really all I am worth'?"

As much as you don't want to hear it, the Knicks (and Bulls) are in the drivers seat here. The longer they wait, the lower the price becomes since he's walking anyway. They know it which is why they haven't made a real offer. He may still lend up with the Nets, but that's only if he decides he'll sign an extension there.

 

[Abraham]

So the Knicks have no shot at Melo because they don't have a 1st rd pick until 2027?Didn't they trade a 1st rd pick for Tracy McGrady?

No. They (essentially) traded TWO 1st round picks for McGrady.Its not just about the picks. Its also about the players they can offer and the relative value of that package compared to what other teams can offer. The (rumored) Nets offering would get Favors (a top 3 guy in the draft who has "top 5 big man in the game" potential) and two first round picks. The best the Knicks could offer would probably be Gallinari, Randolph....?

 

[Abraham]

No idea what the "true" parts of the story are, but the whole "Anthony is pushing the Nuggets to get him to the Knicks" angle is hilarious. If I were Nuggets management I'd tell Team 'Melo, "Tell you what....since you are so intent on getting to New York, why don't YOU work out a deal with them and bring it to us. You talk to the Knicks and put together a deal that looks even REMOTELY acceptable for a player as good as you think you are. You get their best package and then look in the mirror and ask yourself, 'is this really all I am worth'?"

As much as you don't want to hear it, the Knicks (and Bulls) are in the drivers seat here. The longer they wait, the lower the price becomes since he's walking anyway. They know it which is why they haven't made a real offer. He may still lend up with the Nets, but that's only if he decides he'll sign an extension there.

I understand that point, and I agree. But that puts him starting the season in Denver. The other piece of "leverage" here is the expiring CBA that could keep him from making as much money, so Melo is likely to want to get something done soon if he's after the most money possible.

 

[ffldrew]

Today is media day in Denver - speculation if if Melo shows up then the deal is likely off.....weekend info on the dealDenver still fishing for better offers - Iggy offered from Philly and possibly Stephen Curry from GS but Melo definitely will not sign extension with themJay-Z met with CAA late last week to sell them on Nets and seemed to have helpedStill no definite word on if MElo would sign with NEts - iinfo coming out both waysNets/Denver may cut Jazz/Charlotte loose and deal directly - more salary coming to NJSeemed like next 48 hrs are critical to Nets GM although he puts no timetable on it....cant see how this can drag on much longer though - starting to look like "The Decision 2"

CAA = Carmello Anthony and Associates?

Maybe it's Creative Artists Agency in LA.

 

[Kiddnets]

Today is media day in Denver - speculation if if Melo shows up then the deal is likely off.....weekend info on the dealDenver still fishing for better offers - Iggy offered from Philly and possibly Stephen Curry from GS but Melo definitely will not sign extension with themJay-Z met with CAA late last week to sell them on Nets and seemed to have helpedStill no definite word on if MElo would sign with NEts - iinfo coming out both waysNets/Denver may cut Jazz/Charlotte loose and deal directly - more salary coming to NJSeemed like next 48 hrs are critical to Nets GM although he puts no timetable on it....cant see how this can drag on much longer though - starting to look like "The Decision 2"

CAA = Carmello Anthony and Associates?

Maybe it's Creative Artists Agency in LA.

Its the agency - they rep Carmelo now - I believe same guys that leveraged Lebron to Miami

 

[Kiddnets]

Melo shows up for media day - denies he has asked for a trade....LOL

word is 4 way deal is heating up again but now that Melo is back in Denver they are putting on press to keep him...for now.

 

[Kev4029]

No idea what the "true" parts of the story are, but the whole "Anthony is pushing the Nuggets to get him to the Knicks" angle is hilarious. If I were Nuggets management I'd tell Team 'Melo, "Tell you what....since you are so intent on getting to New York, why don't YOU work out a deal with them and bring it to us. You talk to the Knicks and put together a deal that looks even REMOTELY acceptable for a player as good as you think you are. You get their best package and then look in the mirror and ask yourself, 'is this really all I am worth'?"

As much as you don't want to hear it, the Knicks (and Bulls) are in the drivers seat here. The longer they wait, the lower the price becomes since he's walking anyway. They know it which is why they haven't made a real offer. He may still lend up with the Nets, but that's only if he decides he'll sign an extension there.

The 1/100 chance that Melo resigns in denver is better than the trash the knicks give them. If the gsw gave up randoloph, buke and turiaf to get david lee, don't you think getting a package like that is the worst case for the nuggets next july? There is no incentive for the nuggets to trade melo for horse ####, when they can do it next july and hope he signs in the mean time.

 

[Mile High]

Melo shows up for media day - denies he has asked for a trade....LOLword is 4 way deal is heating up again but now that Melo is back in Denver they are putting on press to keep him...for now.

. I think that's been the Nuggets plan the whole time. Get him back with the team and work on him. He has been gone all summer. Get him back with the team and have a face to face. Overall Melo and Denver has been a win/win for both parties. He turned around the franchise and in turn he was been treated fairly. No need to just throw it all away asap.

 

[Steelfan7]

No idea what the "true" parts of the story are, but the whole "Anthony is pushing the Nuggets to get him to the Knicks" angle is hilarious. If I were Nuggets management I'd tell Team 'Melo, "Tell you what....since you are so intent on getting to New York, why don't YOU work out a deal with them and bring it to us. You talk to the Knicks and put together a deal that looks even REMOTELY acceptable for a player as good as you think you are. You get their best package and then look in the mirror and ask yourself, 'is this really all I am worth'?"

You should have stopped right there.

 

[Steelfan7]

So the Knicks have no shot at Melo because they don't have a 1st rd pick until 2027?

Didn't they trade a 1st rd pick for Tracy McGrady?

No. They (essentially) traded TWO 1st round picks for McGrady.Its not just about the picks. Its also about the players they can offer and the relative value of that package compared to what other teams can offer. The (rumored) Nets offering would get Favors (a top 3 guy in the draft who has "top 5 big man in the game" potential) and two first round picks. The best the Knicks could offer would probably be Gallinari, Randolph....?

They did not trade two 1st rd picks for McGrady.

 

[Steelfan7]

No idea what the "true" parts of the story are, but the whole "Anthony is pushing the Nuggets to get him to the Knicks" angle is hilarious. If I were Nuggets management I'd tell Team 'Melo, "Tell you what....since you are so intent on getting to New York, why don't YOU work out a deal with them and bring it to us. You talk to the Knicks and put together a deal that looks even REMOTELY acceptable for a player as good as you think you are. You get their best package and then look in the mirror and ask yourself, 'is this really all I am worth'?"

As much as you don't want to hear it, the Knicks (and Bulls) are in the drivers seat here. The longer they wait, the lower the price becomes since he's walking anyway. They know it which is why they haven't made a real offer. He may still lend up with the Nets, but that's only if he decides he'll sign an extension there.

The 1/100 chance that Melo resigns in denver is better than the trash the knicks give them. If the gsw gave up randoloph, buke and turiaf to get david lee, don't you think getting a package like that is the worst case for the nuggets next july? There is no incentive for the nuggets to trade melo for horse ####, when they can do it next july and hope he signs in the mean time.

Melo resigning in Denver is better than the trash the Nets, Bulls or Rockets are also offering them.

 

[the moops]

So the Knicks have no shot at Melo because they don't have a 1st rd pick until 2027?

Didn't they trade a 1st rd pick for Tracy McGrady?

No. They (essentially) traded TWO 1st round picks for McGrady.Its not just about the picks. Its also about the players they can offer and the relative value of that package compared to what other teams can offer. The (rumored) Nets offering would get Favors (a top 3 guy in the draft who has "top 5 big man in the game" potential) and two first round picks. The best the Knicks could offer would probably be Gallinari, Randolph....?

They did not trade two 1st rd picks for McGrady.

They traded one and Houston gets to swap one. So, one free first round pick, and one swap that probably nets them 20 spots in the draft.

 

[No. 16]

No idea what the "true" parts of the story are, but the whole "Anthony is pushing the Nuggets to get him to the Knicks" angle is hilarious. If I were Nuggets management I'd tell Team 'Melo, "Tell you what....since you are so intent on getting to New York, why don't YOU work out a deal with them and bring it to us. You talk to the Knicks and put together a deal that looks even REMOTELY acceptable for a player as good as you think you are. You get their best package and then look in the mirror and ask yourself, 'is this really all I am worth'?"

As much as you don't want to hear it, the Knicks (and Bulls) are in the drivers seat here. The longer they wait, the lower the price becomes since he's walking anyway. They know it which is why they haven't made a real offer. He may still lend up with the Nets, but that's only if he decides he'll sign an extension there.

The 1/100 chance that Melo resigns in denver is better than the trash the knicks give them. If the gsw gave up randoloph, buke and turiaf to get david lee, don't you think getting a package like that is the worst case for the nuggets next july? There is no incentive for the nuggets to trade melo for horse ####, when they can do it next july and hope he signs in the mean time.

Melo resigning in Denver is better than the trash the Nets, Bulls or Rockets are also offering them.

The only recent superstar I can remember who wanted to leave, but ended up staying, is Kobe Bryant and Melo is no where near as good as Kobe Bryant. Any other star player has been accommodated with a trade or left during FA with the home team having nothing to show for it. Just think for a second if teams were offering those trades for Joe Johnson everyone would say the Nuggets are crazy to turn down those offers, but because Melo is overrated people actually think the Nuggets are better with Carmelo.

 

[Steelfan7]

So the Knicks have no shot at Melo because they don't have a 1st rd pick until 2027?

Didn't they trade a 1st rd pick for Tracy McGrady?

No. They (essentially) traded TWO 1st round picks for McGrady.Its not just about the picks. Its also about the players they can offer and the relative value of that package compared to what other teams can offer. The (rumored) Nets offering would get Favors (a top 3 guy in the draft who has "top 5 big man in the game" potential) and two first round picks. The best the Knicks could offer would probably be Gallinari, Randolph....?

They did not trade two 1st rd picks for McGrady.

They traded one and Houston gets to swap one. So, one free first round pick, and one swap that probably nets them 20 spots in the draft.

Not even close.

 

[Mile High]

but because Melo is overrated people actually think the Nuggets are better with Carmelo.

The Nuggets haven't been the little sisters of the poor with Melo. 2 years ago they were right there with the Lakers. Last year up until Martin when down and Karl's leaving they where right there again. I think people are under estimating the impact Karls Cancer had on the team.

 

[Steelfan7]

No idea what the "true" parts of the story are, but the whole "Anthony is pushing the Nuggets to get him to the Knicks" angle is hilarious. If I were Nuggets management I'd tell Team 'Melo, "Tell you what....since you are so intent on getting to New York, why don't YOU work out a deal with them and bring it to us. You talk to the Knicks and put together a deal that looks even REMOTELY acceptable for a player as good as you think you are. You get their best package and then look in the mirror and ask yourself, 'is this really all I am worth'?"

As much as you don't want to hear it, the Knicks (and Bulls) are in the drivers seat here. The longer they wait, the lower the price becomes since he's walking anyway. They know it which is why they haven't made a real offer. He may still lend up with the Nets, but that's only if he decides he'll sign an extension there.

The 1/100 chance that Melo resigns in denver is better than the trash the knicks give them. If the gsw gave up randoloph, buke and turiaf to get david lee, don't you think getting a package like that is the worst case for the nuggets next july? There is no incentive for the nuggets to trade melo for horse ####, when they can do it next july and hope he signs in the mean time.

Melo resigning in Denver is better than the trash the Nets, Bulls or Rockets are also offering them.

The only recent superstar I can remember who wanted to leave, but ended up staying, is Kobe Bryant and Melo is no where near as good as Kobe Bryant. Any other star player has been accommodated with a trade or left during FA with the home team having nothing to show for it. Just think for a second if teams were offering those trades for Joe Johnson everyone would say the Nuggets are crazy to turn down those offers, but because Melo is overrated people actually think the Nuggets are better with Carmelo.

Since you brought up Joe Johnson, the Suns received two 1st rd picks and Diaw in sign and trade for Johnson to Atlanta. Denver would be better off on keeping Carmelo for one more season and then trading him instead of trading him for the junk offers they are getting now. It will also give them a yr to convince him to stay.

 

[No. 16]

Melo resigning in Denver is better than the trash the Nets, Bulls or Rockets are also offering them.

The only recent superstar I can remember who wanted to leave, but ended up staying, is Kobe Bryant and Melo is no where near as good as Kobe Bryant. Any other star player has been accommodated with a trade or left during FA with the home team having nothing to show for it. Just think for a second if teams were offering those trades for Joe Johnson everyone would say the Nuggets are crazy to turn down those offers, but because Melo is overrated people actually think the Nuggets are better with Carmelo.

Since you brought up Joe Johnson, the Suns received two 1st rd picks and Diaw in sign and trade for Johnson to Atlanta. Denver would be better off on keeping Carmelo for one more season and then trading him instead of trading him for the junk offers they are getting now. It will also give them a yr to convince him to stay.

So is Melo better or equal to JJ?Also if you want to compare it to what the Suns received the Nuggets are getting a great deal from the Nets.They are getting TWO 1st round draft picks and instead of Diaw (who was unknown still) they get Favors (#3 pick overall) and an expiring 17 million dollar contract to use as trade bait. That's 4 commodities that you can put to great use towards rebuilding, rather than committing to an over-hyped scoring machine. Just compare that to what Cleveland and Toronto got from Miami and what Utah got for losing Boozer. For David Lee the Knicks got Randolph (equivalent to Favors or 1 draft pick) and expiring contracts. So what the Nets are offering is a great deal.Sorry there's no convincing Melo to stay. If you are already offering the guy MORE MONEY than anyone else can offer and he still refuses to sign with you then you know he wants out. Trade him for whatever you can get now or regret it later.Also the Nuggets don't have any assets to improve their team other than: Lawson and Melo. So Denver is pretty much stuck.

 

[Mile High]

Melo resigning in Denver is better than the trash the Nets, Bulls or Rockets are also offering them.

The only recent superstar I can remember who wanted to leave, but ended up staying, is Kobe Bryant and Melo is no where near as good as Kobe Bryant. Any other star player has been accommodated with a trade or left during FA with the home team having nothing to show for it. Just think for a second if teams were offering those trades for Joe Johnson everyone would say the Nuggets are crazy to turn down those offers, but because Melo is overrated people actually think the Nuggets are better with Carmelo.

Since you brought up Joe Johnson, the Suns received two 1st rd picks and Diaw in sign and trade for Johnson to Atlanta. Denver would be better off on keeping Carmelo for one more season and then trading him instead of trading him for the junk offers they are getting now. It will also give them a yr to convince him to stay.

So is Melo better or equal to JJ?Also if you want to compare it to what the Suns received the Nuggets are getting a great deal from the Nets.They are getting TWO 1st round draft picks and instead of Diaw (who was unknown still) they get Favors (#3 pick overall) and an expiring 17 million dollar contract to use as trade bait. That's 4 commodities that you can put to great use towards rebuilding, rather than committing to an over-hyped scoring machine. Just compare that to what Cleveland and Toronto got from Miami and what Utah got for losing Boozer. If you are already offering the guy MORE MONEY than anyone else can offer and he still refuses to sign with you then you know he wants out. Trade him for whatever you can get now or regret it later.

Your leaving out the part where it seems Melo doesn't want to play for the Nets. Melo holds that card and nothing the Nuggets can do about it except go to practice and get ready for the season with Melo. No one can find a quote from Melo saying he wants to be traded. Sure we can try and read between the lines. If everyone keeps their heads things will work out. Melo will work with the team and get what he wants in time. Who knows maybe Melo cools his girl down and resigns. It's not like they just met, they have been making it work this whole time.

 

[wikkidpissah]

Has it been brought up that all Melo has to do to go to a specific location is announce that that's the only team for whom he'll sign an extension. If he comes out and says "Knicks-or-nothin", then NY gets him for Gallinari & Curry's contract, cuz no one's gonna pay more than that for a one-yr rental.

 

[the moops]

So the Knicks have no shot at Melo because they don't have a 1st rd pick until 2027?

Didn't they trade a 1st rd pick for Tracy McGrady?

No. They (essentially) traded TWO 1st round picks for McGrady.Its not just about the picks. Its also about the players they can offer and the relative value of that package compared to what other teams can offer. The (rumored) Nets offering would get Favors (a top 3 guy in the draft who has "top 5 big man in the game" potential) and two first round picks. The best the Knicks could offer would probably be Gallinari, Randolph....?

They did not trade two 1st rd picks for McGrady.

They traded one and Houston gets to swap one. So, one free first round pick, and one swap that probably nets them 20 spots in the draft.

Not even close.

15 spots?

 

[Abraham]

So the Knicks have no shot at Melo because they don't have a 1st rd pick until 2027?

Didn't they trade a 1st rd pick for Tracy McGrady?

No. They (essentially) traded TWO 1st round picks for McGrady.Its not just about the picks. Its also about the players they can offer and the relative value of that package compared to what other teams can offer. The (rumored) Nets offering would get Favors (a top 3 guy in the draft who has "top 5 big man in the game" potential) and two first round picks. The best the Knicks could offer would probably be Gallinari, Randolph....?

They did not trade two 1st rd picks for McGrady.

They traded one and Houston gets to swap one. So, one free first round pick, and one swap that probably nets them 20 spots in the draft.

Not even close.

Do you think the Knicks will be better then the Rockets this season? Agree that 20 spots isn't happening, but I could easily see it being a 4 - 8 spot swing in Houston's favor. My "they traded two firsts for McGrady" comment was a little tongue-in-cheek, but it doesn't change the fact that now that we know the Knicks weren't going to land a boondoggle in free agency, Morey raked over the Knicks in that deal.

 

[No. 16]

Your leaving out the part where it seems Melo doesn't want to play for the Nets. Melo holds that card and nothing the Nuggets can do about it except go to practice and get ready for the season with Melo. No one can find a quote from Melo saying he wants to be traded. Sure we can try and read between the lines. If everyone keeps their heads things will work out. Melo will work with the team and get what he wants in time. Who knows maybe Melo cools his girl down and resigns. It's not like they just met, they have been making it work this whole time.

All of Melo's comments and actions are exactly the same thing Bosh and LBJ went through the past year. I know you're a Denver homer, but this will be the last season Melo wears a Nuggets uniform. He wants out and while it's true he has the power, reports said that Melo was set to sign with the Nets, but the Nuggets went snooping around for more offers giving Melo more time to think about it. Money talks in the NBA and right now Denver is the path via re-sign or sign an trade where Melo can get the most money. If Melo wanted to stay with the Nuggets he would have signed his extension like Brandon Roy, Kevin Durant, Dwight Howard, etc, but so far he's playing the LBJ/Bosh angle.

 

[Mile High]

Has it been brought up that all Melo has to do to go to a specific location is announce that that's the only team for whom he'll sign an extension. If he comes out and says "Knicks-or-nothin", then NY gets him for Gallinari & Curry's contract, cuz no one's gonna pay more than that for a one-yr rental.

Your right Melos holds most of the cards. The only card he doesn't hold is the CBA shutdown. It's in his best interest to work with the Nuggets and work out some kinda of a sign and trade deal before it expires.

 

[Mile High]

Your leaving out the part where it seems Melo doesn't want to play for the Nets. Melo holds that card and nothing the Nuggets can do about it except go to practice and get ready for the season with Melo. No one can find a quote from Melo saying he wants to be traded. Sure we can try and read between the lines. If everyone keeps their heads things will work out. Melo will work with the team and get what he wants in time. Who knows maybe Melo cools his girl down and resigns. It's not like they just met, they have been making it work this whole time.

All of Melo's comments and actions are exactly the same thing Bosh and LBJ went through the past year. I know you're a Denver homer, but this will be the last season Melo wears a Nuggets uniform. He wants out and while it's true he has the power, reports said that Melo was set to sign with the Nets, but the Nuggets went snooping around for more offers giving Melo more time to think about it. Money talks in the NBA and right now Denver is the path via re-sign or sign an trade where Melo can get the most money. If Melo wanted to stay with the Nuggets he would have signed his extension like Brandon Roy, Kevin Durant, Dwight Howard, etc, but so far he's playing the LBJ/Bosh angle.

True. But they can make the sign and trade deal with the Knicks any time. They don't lose anything by waiting.

 

[Steelfan7]

Melo resigning in Denver is better than the trash the Nets, Bulls or Rockets are also offering them.

The only recent superstar I can remember who wanted to leave, but ended up staying, is Kobe Bryant and Melo is no where near as good as Kobe Bryant. Any other star player has been accommodated with a trade or left during FA with the home team having nothing to show for it. Just think for a second if teams were offering those trades for Joe Johnson everyone would say the Nuggets are crazy to turn down those offers, but because Melo is overrated people actually think the Nuggets are better with Carmelo.

Since you brought up Joe Johnson, the Suns received two 1st rd picks and Diaw in sign and trade for Johnson to Atlanta. Denver would be better off on keeping Carmelo for one more season and then trading him instead of trading him for the junk offers they are getting now. It will also give them a yr to convince him to stay.

So is Melo better or equal to JJ?Also if you want to compare it to what the Suns received the Nuggets are getting a great deal from the Nets.They are getting TWO 1st round draft picks and instead of Diaw (who was unknown still) they get Favors (#3 pick overall) and an expiring 17 million dollar contract to use as trade bait. That's 4 commodities that you can put to great use towards rebuilding, rather than committing to an over-hyped scoring machine. Just compare that to what Cleveland and Toronto got from Miami and what Utah got for losing Boozer. For David Lee the Knicks got Randolph (equivalent to Favors or 1 draft pick) and expiring contracts. So what the Nets are offering is a great deal.Sorry there's no convincing Melo to stay. If you are already offering the guy MORE MONEY than anyone else can offer and he still refuses to sign with you then you know he wants out. Trade him for whatever you can get now or regret it later.Also the Nuggets don't have any assets to improve their team other than: Lawson and Melo. So Denver is pretty much stuck.

Melo >>>>>>>JJFavors could be Kwame Brown. Nuggets should keep Melo and use him for the yr and also make more money at the gate with him and then deal him after this season if he doesn't want to resign.

 

[No. 16]

Your leaving out the part where it seems Melo doesn't want to play for the Nets. Melo holds that card and nothing the Nuggets can do about it except go to practice and get ready for the season with Melo. No one can find a quote from Melo saying he wants to be traded. Sure we can try and read between the lines. If everyone keeps their heads things will work out. Melo will work with the team and get what he wants in time. Who knows maybe Melo cools his girl down and resigns. It's not like they just met, they have been making it work this whole time.

All of Melo's comments and actions are exactly the same thing Bosh and LBJ went through the past year. I know you're a Denver homer, but this will be the last season Melo wears a Nuggets uniform. He wants out and while it's true he has the power, reports said that Melo was set to sign with the Nets, but the Nuggets went snooping around for more offers giving Melo more time to think about it.

Money talks in the NBA and right now Denver is the path via re-sign or sign an trade where Melo can get the most money. If Melo wanted to stay with the Nuggets he would have signed his extension like Brandon Roy, Kevin Durant, Dwight Howard, etc, but so far he's playing the LBJ/Bosh angle.

True. But they can make the sign and trade deal with the Knicks any time. They don't lose anything by waiting.

Actually they do b/c the Knicks don't have very many assets. They can't throw in one 1st rounder until the year 3000, much less the TWO 1st rounders the Nets are offering. If the Nuggets like Anthony Randolph, I'd be more than satisfied with Derrick Favors in a rookie contract for 4 years, rather then Anthony Randolph and the extension he'll want 2 years from now. Oh and if Eddy Curry's expiring deal is so attractive then AK's expiring MAX deal is too. Also, Melo still has to work with the Nuggets just as much as they have to work with him. The Nuggets can say the Nets are the only team they are trading Melo to... so he can either (1) accept a sign and trade with them or (2) risk losing millions in the new CBA to go to a team of his choice.

 

[No. 16]

Melo >>>>>>>JJFavors could be Kwame Brown. Nuggets should keep Melo and use him for the yr and also make more money at the gate with him and then deal him after this season if he doesn't want to resign.

Curious why do you think Melo is better than JJ?

 

[Abraham]

Melo >>>>>>>JJFavors could be Kwame Brown. Nuggets should keep Melo and use him for the yr and also make more money at the gate with him and then deal him after this season if he doesn't want to resign.

Curious why do you think Melo is better than JJ?

Me too.

 

[Steelfan7]

Melo >>>>>>>JJFavors could be Kwame Brown. Nuggets should keep Melo and use him for the yr and also make more money at the gate with him and then deal him after this season if he doesn't want to resign.

Curious why do you think Melo is better than JJ?

Me too.

Really? Melo better than JJ statement needs an explanation?

 

[Abraham]

Melo >>>>>>>JJFavors could be Kwame Brown. Nuggets should keep Melo and use him for the yr and also make more money at the gate with him and then deal him after this season if he doesn't want to resign.

Curious why do you think Melo is better than JJ?

Me too.

Really? Melo better than JJ statement needs an explanation?

He its obviously a better scorer, but I think melo isn't as complete as some of the other to guys.

 

[Steelfan7]

Melo >>>>>>>JJFavors could be Kwame Brown. Nuggets should keep Melo and use him for the yr and also make more money at the gate with him and then deal him after this season if he doesn't want to resign.

Curious why do you think Melo is better than JJ?

Me too.

Really? Melo better than JJ statement needs an explanation?

He its obviously a better scorer, but I think melo isn't as complete as some of the other to guys.

JJ disappears come playoff time. Melo ups his game in playoffs.

 

[Green94]

Bosh > Boozer

Lebron > Carmelo

Wade > Rose

So no, that trio could not compete with the Heat.

They absolutely could. I said compete, not necessarily beat. They stand a better chance than Noah/Boozer/Rose, would you not agree?

 

[No. 16]

Bosh > Boozer

Lebron > Carmelo

Wade > Rose

So no, that trio could not compete with the Heat.

They absolutely could. I said compete, not necessarily beat. They stand a better chance than Noah/Boozer/Rose, would you not agree?

I don't agree.I think a core of Noah, Boozer, and Rose would fare better than Melo, Boozer, and Rose.

Noah can shut down Bosh.

Miami gets the edge at SG/SF with Mr. and Mrs. Wade and Chicago has the edge at PG and PF with Rose and Boozer, but if you subtract Noah and add Melo the Bulls find themselves with only a clear advantage at PG because Melo < LBJ and Boozer = Bosh.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I think Melo's become one of the most underrated players in the league if folks are comparing him to Joe Johnson. Or is that shtick?

 

[Kiddnets]

From what I am able to piece together the holdup has to be from Denver and not Melo. NEts/Jay-Z have met with Melo's reps and are still furiously trying to put together a dea...if he didnt want to sign with the Nets they would have heard by now and not still be working so hard to gt him.

Also lots of disgrunlted execs so far complaining about the new Denver GM and how he is stringing this along.

If Denver thinks it can do better than I think the Nets need to move on - this could hurt chemistry of the team is it drags on much longer.

Also if the #3 pick in the draft with huge upside, 2 #1 picks and cap relief (with option to add Devin Harris a young former All Star with a reasonable contract) is "garbage" I can't wait to see the reaction when Denver dumps him at the deadline or in a post season S&T for real garbage - see Toronto with Vince and Bosh; Grizzlies with Gasol; Cleveland with Lebron; NJ VC for Courtney Lee........

 

[Mile High]

From what I am able to piece together the holdup has to be from Denver and not Melo. NEts/Jay-Z have met with Melo's reps and are still furiously trying to put together a dea...if he didnt want to sign with the Nets they would have heard by now and not still be working so hard to gt him. Also lots of disgrunlted execs so far complaining about the new Denver GM and how he is stringing this along. If Denver thinks it can do better than I think the Nets need to move on - this could hurt chemistry of the team is it drags on much longer.Also if the #3 pick in the draft with huge upside, 2 #1 picks and cap relief (with option to add Devin Harris a young former All Star with a reasonable contract) is "garbage" I can't wait to see the reaction when Denver dumps him at the deadline or in a post season S&T for real garbage - see Toronto with Vince and Bosh; Grizzlies with Gasol; Cleveland with Lebron; NJ VC for Courtney Lee........

How much chemistry does a 12 win team have? They might lose the other teams in this 4 team deal but I believe the Nets will always be open to a trade for Melo.Edited to add: Nuggets new GM has no say so on this. The owners are the ones to blame.

 

[Abraham]

I think Melo's become one of the most underrated players in the league if folks are comparing him to Joe Johnson. Or is that shtick?

He's an excellent player. But I think he's closer to Joe Johnson then he is to Kobe, Durant, or LBJ.

 

[Kiddnets]

From what I am able to piece together the holdup has to be from Denver and not Melo. NEts/Jay-Z have met with Melo's reps and are still furiously trying to put together a dea...if he didnt want to sign with the Nets they would have heard by now and not still be working so hard to gt him. Also lots of disgrunlted execs so far complaining about the new Denver GM and how he is stringing this along. If Denver thinks it can do better than I think the Nets need to move on - this could hurt chemistry of the team is it drags on much longer.Also if the #3 pick in the draft with huge upside, 2 #1 picks and cap relief (with option to add Devin Harris a young former All Star with a reasonable contract) is "garbage" I can't wait to see the reaction when Denver dumps him at the deadline or in a post season S&T for real garbage - see Toronto with Vince and Bosh; Grizzlies with Gasol; Cleveland with Lebron; NJ VC for Courtney Lee........

How much chemistry does a 12 win team have? They might lose the other teams in this 4 team deal but I believe the Nets will always be open to a trade for Melo.Edited to add: Nuggets new GM has no say so on this. The owners are the ones to blame.

12 wins is a thing of the past - this is an entirely new squad that needs to have a solid camp and gel....all these rumors and potential deals is going to have an effect and they cant get out of the gates slow or it will be a disaster. I think the Nets can make a serious run at the 8 seed this year under Avery....You may be right though - Proky wants his star so bad he could care less about this year

 

[Mile High]

From what I am able to piece together the holdup has to be from Denver and not Melo. NEts/Jay-Z have met with Melo's reps and are still furiously trying to put together a dea...if he didnt want to sign with the Nets they would have heard by now and not still be working so hard to gt him. Also lots of disgrunlted execs so far complaining about the new Denver GM and how he is stringing this along. If Denver thinks it can do better than I think the Nets need to move on - this could hurt chemistry of the team is it drags on much longer.Also if the #3 pick in the draft with huge upside, 2 #1 picks and cap relief (with option to add Devin Harris a young former All Star with a reasonable contract) is "garbage" I can't wait to see the reaction when Denver dumps him at the deadline or in a post season S&T for real garbage - see Toronto with Vince and Bosh; Grizzlies with Gasol; Cleveland with Lebron; NJ VC for Courtney Lee........

How much chemistry does a 12 win team have? They might lose the other teams in this 4 team deal but I believe the Nets will always be open to a trade for Melo.Edited to add: Nuggets new GM has no say so on this. The owners are the ones to blame.

12 wins is a thing of the past - this is an entirely new squad that needs to have a solid camp and gel....all these rumors and potential deals is going to have an effect and they cant get out of the gates slow or it will be a disaster. I think the Nets can make a serious run at the 8 seed this year under Avery....You may be right though - Proky wants his star so bad he could care less about this year

Picking on the Nets chemistry is the wrong way to go. It is important and I wish them the best. I just think Melo wants the Knicks and is willing to wait it out until the Nuggets blink first.