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[Popinski]

Saw a stat last night - only 1 team in the last 30 years has won an NBA title with a player they took #1 overall (SA with Robinson & Duncan).

Olajuwon, Magic, Worthy?

 

[thecatch]

Saw a stat last night - only 1 team in the last 30 years has won an NBA title with a player they took #1 overall (SA with Robinson & Duncan).

Olajuwon, Magic, Worthy?

I'm assuming they meant with a player drafted in the last 30 years - Hakeem was drafted 30 years ago and Magic and Worthy were before that.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Saw a stat last night - only 1 team in the last 30 years has won an NBA title with a player they took #1 overall (SA with Robinson & Duncan).

Kind of misleading, though. Expand it to the top 4 picks (what you guarantee yourself if you're the worst team in the league) and change the parameters just a little bit and the picture changes drastically.

For example: 15 of the last 25 NBA champions featured a player that team drafted with one of the first four picks in the draft.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

It is a crap shoot but again, odds are favored for the top teams. My Link Odds of getting a star are much higher the higher up your pick goes. Of course, this isn't necessarily surprising but the draft isn't as random as you seem to think.

The real downfall of tanking is that it often requires you to get rid of known assets. From the Sixers standpoint, is it worth it to trade Jrue Holiday for 2 lottery picks and ensure an additional top 5 pick through your own futility? Or is it worth it to keep an All-Star and continue to draft late lottery-teens and hope to build around him?

Yes, the higher you pick the better the odds of a star, I don't argue that. The luck factor is getting those picks in the year where the draft isn't terrible or you don't screw up by drafting a guy like Oden or potentially Embid.

But getting a star in the draft <> contending. Again, Minny and Cleveland are both excellent examples. They both have all-star players through the draft and neither are near competing. They may both lose those all-star players and be right back to square one without a single playoff appearance between them.

IMO, a team is just has just as close of odds of building around a star* than they are selling that all-star, hoping to draft another and then building around him.

*Calling Jrue a star is being extremely generous.

 

[pizzatyme]

Why are pacers getting all the shots from the

thread title updates?

See: pizzatyme

Yes, read back through the last 15 pages or so and look at me sticking up for the Pacers and going against groupthink. I've done nothing more than that and a select few want to pile on as it seems fun for them. The thread titles are nothing more than a form of bullying. Pretty sad really.

So, with that said, let me check out of this thread permanently. You guys can have your fun without my input.

I've made my point that the Heat are not clearly better than the Pacers this year.

Adios~

 

[Abraham]

Why are pacers getting all the shots from the

thread title updates?

See: pizzatyme

Yes, read back through the last 15 pages or so and look at me sticking up for the Pacers and going against groupthink. I've done nothing more than that and a select few want to pile on as it seems fun for them. The thread titles are nothing more than a form of bullying. Pretty sad really.

So, with that said, let me check out of this thread permanently. You guys can have your fun without my input.

I've made my point that the Heat are not clearly better than the Pacers this year.

Adios~

Not really.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Why are pacers getting all the shots from the thread title updates?

They've taken over from the Laker fans who'll be absent from this thread for the foreseeable future.

 

[Timmay]

Why are pacers getting all the shots from the

thread title updates?

See: pizzatyme

Yes, read back through the last 15 pages or so and look at me sticking up for the Pacers and going against groupthink. I've done nothing more than that and a select few want to pile on as it seems fun for them.The thread titles are nothing more than a form of bullying. Pretty sad really.

So, with that said, let me check out of this thread permanently. You guys can have your fun without my input.

I've made my point that the Heat are not clearly better than the Pacers this year.

Adios~

Not really.

Someone is a little testy after that game 2 loss.

 

[Short Corner]

Why are pacers getting all the shots from the

thread title updates?

See: pizzatyme

Yes, read back through the last 15 pages or so and look at me sticking up for the Pacers and going against groupthink. I've done nothing more than that and a select few want to pile on as it seems fun for them.The thread titles are nothing more than a form of bullying. Pretty sad really.

So, with that said, let me check out of this thread permanently. You guys can have your fun without my input.

I've made my point that the Heat are not clearly better than the Pacers this year.

Adios~

Not really.

Someone is a little testy after that game 2 loss.

He'll disappear after game 3 just like in the first round.

 

[sporthenry]

It is a crap shoot but again, odds are favored for the top teams. My Link Odds of getting a star are much higher the higher up your pick goes. Of course, this isn't necessarily surprising but the draft isn't as random as you seem to think.

The real downfall of tanking is that it often requires you to get rid of known assets. From the Sixers standpoint, is it worth it to trade Jrue Holiday for 2 lottery picks and ensure an additional top 5 pick through your own futility? Or is it worth it to keep an All-Star and continue to draft late lottery-teens and hope to build around him?

Yes, the higher you pick the better the odds of a star, I don't argue that. The luck factor is getting those picks in the year where the draft isn't terrible or you don't screw up by drafting a guy like Oden or potentially Embid.

But getting a star in the draft <> contending. Again, Minny and Cleveland are both excellent examples. They both have all-star players through the draft and neither are near competing. They may both lose those all-star players and be right back to square one without a single playoff appearance between them.

IMO, a team is just has just as close of odds of building around a star* than they are selling that all-star, hoping to draft another and then building around him.

*Calling Jrue a star is being extremely generous.

The odds probably aren't as different as some think. But we've established that higher picks are good. Therefore, more higher picks should be better.

Now the specific year of these picks are arbitrary. But the screwing up a draft part isn't necessarily arbitrary. In fact, I'd argue the selection of players is anything but arbitrary. Now picking Oden is unfortunate. But the T-Wolves have had 6 top 7 picks in the last 7 years. They drafted Brewer, Love, Rubio, Flynn, Wes Johnson, and D. Williams. They didn't get burned by an Oden, they just sucked at drafting. If they were a decent team to begin with, they wouldn't even have Love. And if they weren't terrible at picking players, who knows where they'd be at. I try not to play the what if game but a competent GM would have a pretty good team with those picks.

 

[scoobus]

What kind of contract would Evan Turner have been looking at if he played the whole season with the 76ers, and what kind of contract is he looking at now?

 

[Gr00vus]

Why are pacers getting all the shots from the thread title updates?

They've taken over from the Laker fans who'll be absent from this thread for the foreseeable future.

Oh, you won't get rid of us that easily Jimmy.

 

[Abraham]

Agreed. It's hard to miss on that many high picks even if the draft classes are not good. The wolves ended up with one star, two useful platters, and three picks that largely did NOTHING for the team. That is HORRIBLE. The Kings have had five top 7 picks in the same timeframe and ended up with Cousins (fledging star), Thomas Robinson (gone, did nothing for them), Evans (won ROY but didn't fit), McLemore (Incomplete), and Biyombo (traded for Jimmer and Salmons). But even the Robinson trade netted some assets that later helped get Rudy Gay. the point is that the Kings didn't do that well and it's still light years better than the dumpster fire that is Minnesota.

Obviously, taking two point guards in the 2009 draft is the real killer since 6 of the next 7 picks have had better careers than Jonny Flynn including two all stars in the next 3 picks.

 

[Abraham]

What kind of contract would Evan Turner have been looking at if he played the whole season with the 76ers, and what kind of contract is he looking at now?

2/12, 3/15 I think. At least. He's the perfect example of a guy that some coach, somewhere will say, "I can develop him."

 

[Gr00vus]

Also, the Pacers "offense" was brutal last night, and it wasn't all about great D from the Heat. I couldn't even really detect any kind of planned plays or sets in most of the 2nd half.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Also, the Pacers "offense" was brutal last night, and it wasn't all about great D from the Heat. I couldn't even really detect any kind of planned plays or sets in most of the 2nd half.

Yup, it's brutal and has been for a little while. Their offensive outburst in Game 1 was mostly just good luck with midrange jumpers and offensive boards more than a well-run offense getting good shots from good spots. Going back to the Wiz series, they averaged only 89 PPG even as they were clearly the better team.

The defense has been looking like the early season Pacers since around Game 6 of the first round, which is great, but the offense is still stagnant.

 

[the moops]

The thread titles are nothing more than a form of bullying. Pretty sad really.

 

[DrJ]

I'm glad the league didn't gift the Lakers one of the top 3 picks.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

It is a crap shoot but again, odds are favored for the top teams. My Link Odds of getting a star are much higher the higher up your pick goes. Of course, this isn't necessarily surprising but the draft isn't as random as you seem to think.

The real downfall of tanking is that it often requires you to get rid of known assets. From the Sixers standpoint, is it worth it to trade Jrue Holiday for 2 lottery picks and ensure an additional top 5 pick through your own futility? Or is it worth it to keep an All-Star and continue to draft late lottery-teens and hope to build around him?

Yes, the higher you pick the better the odds of a star, I don't argue that. The luck factor is getting those picks in the year where the draft isn't terrible or you don't screw up by drafting a guy like Oden or potentially Embid.

But getting a star in the draft <> contending. Again, Minny and Cleveland are both excellent examples. They both have all-star players through the draft and neither are near competing. They may both lose those all-star players and be right back to square one without a single playoff appearance between them.

IMO, a team is just has just as close of odds of building around a star* than they are selling that all-star, hoping to draft another and then building around him.

*Calling Jrue a star is being extremely generous.

The odds probably aren't as different as some think. But we've established that higher picks are good. Therefore, more higher picks should be better. Now the specific year of these picks are arbitrary. But the screwing up a draft part isn't necessarily arbitrary. In fact, I'd argue the selection of players is anything but arbitrary. Now picking Oden is unfortunate. But the T-Wolves have had 6 top 7 picks in the last 7 years. They drafted Brewer, Love, Rubio, Flynn, Wes Johnson, and D. Williams. They didn't get burned by an Oden, they just sucked at drafting. If they were a decent team to begin with, they wouldn't even have Love. And if they weren't terrible at picking players, who knows where they'd be at. I try not to play the what if game but a competent GM would have a pretty good team with those picks.

Looking back at your link a little more, I'm really questioning its methodology. According to it, someone like Bargnani is considered a star and Adam Morrison, Jay Williams, Kwame, etc are not busts. Yeah... Here's a better link: http://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/silver-feature-nbalottery-11.png

Were any of those picks bad at the time? Rubio and Williams were supposed to be stars. I don't recall the others.

 

[thecatch]

Memphis is apparently going to let Joerger go and is thinking about replacing him with Eric Musselman. This is a disaster waiting to happen.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Hopefully after Love leaves the Wolves they get the same treatment from the league the Cavs have enjoyed post-Lebron.

 

[Abraham]

Memphis is apparently going to let Joerger go and is thinking about replacing him with Eric Musselman. This is a disaster waiting to happen.

Oof.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Why are pacers getting all the shots from the

thread title updates?

See: pizzatyme

Yes, read back through the last 15 pages or so and look at me sticking up for the Pacers and going against groupthink. I've done nothing more than that and a select few want to pile on as it seems fun for them.The thread titles are nothing more than a form of bullying. Pretty sad really.

So, with that said, let me check out of this thread permanently. You guys can have your fun without my input.

I've made my point that the Heat are not clearly better than the Pacers this year.

Adios~

Wow, you hoosiers sure have some think skin, don't ya? A form of bullying??

 

[Gr00vus]

Heard some L.A. radio talk show guys on during lunch saying Vonleh is now considered to be top 5. They of course followed that up by saying it'd be a great idea for the Lakers to trade their pick this year for 1 year of Zack Randolph , so take it for what it's worth.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

I think the top 8 players in the draft are in tiers all themselves. If I was on a team on the cusp of the top 8, I would try to trade up somehow.

Tier 1: Parker, Wiggins, Embiid

Tier 2: Exum, Randle, Smart, Gordon, Vonleh

I agree although I don't know enough about the international guys right behind this. But these are the only 8 that I can see being impact starters. The rest of the lottery is filled with solid role players who should really help teams but probably not what you are looking for in a lottery pick.

McDermott has bust written all over him. He didn't measure out that well and I'm just not sure who he guards. Best case is he becomes a 3 point specialist which isn't really worth a top 10 pick.

Hood should be solid but rather have Harris.

TJ Warren will likely be the steal of the draft assuming he falls far enough to get on a solid team. Guy can be the scorer on your 2nd team. Bigger question is whether he can be on the court for the end of games.

Doug McDermott 36.5” max vert, 11.10 lane agility, 3.29 sprint

One has to give “Dougie McBuckets” props for putting up a max vert that was well above what people expected. Not only did he show solid athleticism for a 3, tying with TJ Warren for the fastest lane agility among the SF group. McDermott was a player whose expectations versus reality put him in the “winners” bracket. Amazingly, his 36.5 max vert was just .5 inch lower than "freak athlete" KJ McDanels. His scores in the testing show that he is at least not a slouch athletically and should help promote the idea of his being a solid rotation player with a ready made role.

6'6.25" w/o shoes, 8'7" standing reach. Seems ok for a 3. SOMFD Warren was 6'7" and 8'8".

Not sure he's ever had to play much defense; but some white guy bias appears to be going on with ol' Dougie with regards to athleticism/measureables.

 

[got_nugs]

If LeBron is indirectly threatening (Roger Mason, Jr) to sit out next year if Donald Sterling is still a part of the league, there's a 0% chance that he would ever play for the author of this letter, right? Does LeBron to Cleveland drive ratings that much that talking heads continue to mention something that would never ever happen? I'm trying to be impartial and realize he could go any number of places (LA/NY) after this or next year...but c'mon. Cleveland?

 

[TobiasFunke]

If LeBron is indirectly threatening (Roger Mason, Jr) to sit out next year if Donald Sterling is still a part of the league, there's a 0% chance that he would ever play for the author of this letter, right? Does LeBron to Cleveland drive ratings that much that talking heads continue to mention something that would never ever happen? I'm trying to be impartial and realize he could go any number of places (LA/NY) after this or next year...but c'mon. Cleveland?

I don't see the connection at all.

I don't think it's very likely that he goes back to Cleveland but if he wants out of Miami at some point, a return to Cleveland is a perfectly reasonable option. He'd erase any lingering bitterness from The Decision that negatively impacts his legacy and marketability, wouldn't be in the shadow of other all-timers like he would be in Chicago or LA, wouldn't be bogged down by aging, inflexible rosters like he would be in several premium destinations, would have a ton of young talent around him that could carry the regular season burden for him as he ages, etc.

 

[CurlyNight]

Active Players bound for the hall if they retired tomorrow:

Dirk

Lebron

Wade

Bosh

Duncan

Manu

Parker

Gasol

Allen

Garnett

Pierce

Kobe

Anyone else?

No way either Gasol is a Hall of Famer. I don't see Bosh or Ginobli in there either. The others I can see.

Pau, Bosh, and Manu are all locks.

Agreed. There are folks that are in there that weren't such greats. Barkley is one. Yes he was good, but hall of fame great?

 

[Premier]

So the Magic after this draft will have a team that looks like:

PG: Exum

SG: Oladipo, Afflalo

C: Vucevic, O'Quinn

PF: Harris

SF: ?, Harkless

And the 12th pick and tons of cap space to build with. Not bad! Athletic backcourt.

 

[Gr00vus]

If LeBron is indirectly threatening (Roger Mason, Jr) to sit out next year if Donald Sterling is still a part of the league, there's a 0% chance that he would ever play for the author of this letter, right? Does LeBron to Cleveland drive ratings that much that talking heads continue to mention something that would never ever happen? I'm trying to be impartial and realize he could go any number of places (LA/NY) after this or next year...but c'mon. Cleveland?

I don't see the connection at all.

I don't think it's very likely that he goes back to Cleveland but if he wants out of Miami at some point, a return to Cleveland is a perfectly reasonable option. He'd erase any lingering bitterness from The Decision that negatively impacts his legacy and marketability, wouldn't be in the shadow of other all-timers like he would be in Chicago or LA, wouldn't be bogged down by aging, inflexible rosters like he would be in several premium destinations, would have a ton of young talent around him that could carry the regular season burden for him as he ages, etc.

Even if it doesn't happen this year, if Cleveland lands the right guy with this #1 pick, they'd have to look extremely attractive to James in another couple of years, particularly in comparison to what the Miami squad will probably look like at that point.

 

[got_nugs]

So you think LeBron would be OK with making money for that owner but is not OK with the owner of the Clippers making money off the players? I see a direct comparison. Could you please point to a single instance where the decision has impacted LeBrons marketability NOW to the point where going back to Cleveland NOW would turn a negative impact into a positive one? A few years ago yeah...but now? You think all of the sudden if LeBron goes back to Cleveland the fans in Indy, in Cleveland, in Boston will stop booing him?

I'm not making an argument for the possibility of LeBron leaving Miami. I'm making it for LeBron going to Cleveland while Gilbert is the owner. This isn't a small thing, in my estimation, provided the voice LeBron has found the past 4 years in Miami as he's turned from basketball player to spokesperson. Mike Jordan, Tiger Woods, Kobe...these guys didn't step out into the spotlight to voice opinion like LeBron did with Trayvon Martin or Donald Sterling. I just don't see it.

But i'm a homer with DBag colored sunglasses on...so there's that.

 

[got_nugs]

It's actually being talked about on the LeBatard Show right now. Dan agrees with me....haha I win!

 

[TobiasFunke]

So you think LeBron would be OK with making money for that owner but is not OK with the owner of the Clippers making money off the players? I see a direct comparison. Could you please point to a single instance where the decision has impacted LeBrons marketability NOW to the point where going back to Cleveland NOW would turn a negative impact into a positive one? A few years ago yeah...but now? You think all of the sudden if LeBron goes back to Cleveland the fans in Indy, in Cleveland, in Boston will stop booing him?

I'm not making an argument for the possibility of LeBron leaving Miami. I'm making it for LeBron going to Cleveland while Gilbert is the owner. This isn't a small thing, in my estimation, provided the voice LeBron has found the past 4 years in Miami as he's turned from basketball player to spokesperson. Mike Jordan, Tiger Woods, Kobe...these guys didn't step out into the spotlight to voice opinion like LeBron did with Trayvon Martin or Donald Sterling. I just don't see it.

But i'm a homer with DBag colored sunglasses on...so there's that.

Gilbert's rant might impact the likelihood of LeBron returning to Cleveland. But it's totally unrelated to the Sterling thing or his tendency to take a position on a hot-button issue. Whiny rants in comic sans are not political or controversial. Your argument makes no sense.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Chris Vernon @ChrisVernonShow 4 minutes ago
been told Eric Musselman will not be in consideration for Grizzlies job. Names I mentioned earlier first on radar

 

[Freelove]

So you think LeBron would be OK with making money for that owner but is not OK with the owner of the Clippers making money off the players? I see a direct comparison. Could you please point to a single instance where the decision has impacted LeBrons marketability NOW to the point where going back to Cleveland NOW would turn a negative impact into a positive one? A few years ago yeah...but now? You think all of the sudden if LeBron goes back to Cleveland the fans in Indy, in Cleveland, in Boston will stop booing him?

I'm not making an argument for the possibility of LeBron leaving Miami. I'm making it for LeBron going to Cleveland while Gilbert is the owner. This isn't a small thing, in my estimation, provided the voice LeBron has found the past 4 years in Miami as he's turned from basketball player to spokesperson. Mike Jordan, Tiger Woods, Kobe...these guys didn't step out into the spotlight to voice opinion like LeBron did with Trayvon Martin or Donald Sterling. I just don't see it.

But i'm a homer with DBag colored sunglasses on...so there's that.

Gilbert's rant might impact the likelihood of LeBron returning to Cleveland. But it's totally unrelated to the Sterling thing or his tendency to take a position on a hot-button issue. Whiny rants in comic sans are not political or controversial. Your argument makes no sense.

I don't think Lebron would go anywhere that would risk seeing him painted as a hypocrite, since he seems to have a little Ali in him. (Which, BTW, I like about him.)

But I don't think the Gilbert stuff is anything a thirty minute phone call and a public apology couldn't repair good-as-new.

I still don't think he'll go to Cleveland, but then, I don't know how deep his roots run. But then, I also think he's one of very few players in history who doesn't actually have to worry about going somewhere he'll be playing in anyone's shadow. Even in Chicago, I think he'd be seen more as a second act than as Mike's understudy. Guy's been the best player in the universe for a decade and has the hardware to back it up.

 

[sporthenry]

I think the top 8 players in the draft are in tiers all themselves. If I was on a team on the cusp of the top 8, I would try to trade up somehow.

Tier 1: Parker, Wiggins, Embiid

Tier 2: Exum, Randle, Smart, Gordon, Vonleh

I agree although I don't know enough about the international guys right behind this. But these are the only 8 that I can see being impact starters. The rest of the lottery is filled with solid role players who should really help teams but probably not what you are looking for in a lottery pick.

McDermott has bust written all over him. He didn't measure out that well and I'm just not sure who he guards. Best case is he becomes a 3 point specialist which isn't really worth a top 10 pick.

Hood should be solid but rather have Harris.

TJ Warren will likely be the steal of the draft assuming he falls far enough to get on a solid team. Guy can be the scorer on your 2nd team. Bigger question is whether he can be on the court for the end of games.

Doug McDermott 36.5” max vert, 11.10 lane agility, 3.29 sprint

One has to give “Dougie McBuckets” props for putting up a max vert that was well above what people expected. Not only did he show solid athleticism for a 3, tying with TJ Warren for the fastest lane agility among the SF group. McDermott was a player whose expectations versus reality put him in the “winners” bracket. Amazingly, his 36.5 max vert was just .5 inch lower than "freak athlete" KJ McDanels. His scores in the testing show that he is at least not a slouch athletically and should help promote the idea of his being a solid rotation player with a ready made role.

6'6.25" w/o shoes, 8'7" standing reach. Seems ok for a 3. SOMFD Warren was 6'7" and 8'8".

Not sure he's ever had to play much defense; but some white guy bias appears to be going on with ol' Dougie with regards to athleticism/measureables.

Well I guess we'll see. But I'd consider Warren a SG/SF whereas McDermott was never really considered a SG. The fact that he measured so small hurts him. His other numbers were better than expected but it has as much to do with him being very good all around but not great at anything. Those type of guys don't end up doing too well in the pros. He won't be successful in the post nearly as much as he was in college. And I think he'll have a harder time taking them off the dribble.

Maybe he can be like Warren where he leads the 2nd unit offense but I just don't think his offense will translate that well into the NBA compared to Warren. Defensively, neither bring much to the table but again, I like Warren's versatility a bit more

The other thing is that you have to consider where you have to draft them. McDermott is all of a sudden going top 10 while Warren is late teens. When you talk about steals/busts, you have to acknowledge where they go. If McDermott was going late teens and Warren was going top 10, I might say the opposite. Not only does Warren provide great value in the late teens but if he gets lucky and goes to Chicago or even OKC, you'll see him thrive.

 

[Gr00vus]

I'm not making an argument for the possibility of LeBron leaving Miami. I'm making it for LeBron going to Cleveland while Gilbert is the owner.

There are 2 possible compelling reasons to go back to Cleveland:

1) (the lesser reason) It's his home town (basically). He might still have a little unfinished business to do there - being the 1st guy to bring a championship to that city in a long time would look really, really good on his resume.

2 (the greater reason) He's already shown he'll split if he realizes the team around him isn't good enough and there are greener pastures. Cleveland could be set up to have a very solid supporting cast for him to step into. Miami's core is just going to keep getting older. He'd have to find a new Wade and perhaps a new Bosh in a couple of years to bring to Miami.

in the 2016 offseason when James, Wade's and Bosh's current deals are definitely done, the most interesting UFAs may include (assuming no early extensions):

Durant, Klay Thompson, Al Horford, Brook Lopez, Joe Johnson, Joakim Noah, Monta Ellis, Roy Hibbert, Nic Batum, Nene

I don't see James and Durant on the same team. Several of those other guys will be on the wrong side of 30 by then. A couple are also chronically injury prone. Let's say James could swap out Wade and Bosh for Thompson and Noah. If it's Irving + another all star from this pick Cleveland just got, I could see a strong case James would be better off in Cleveland. Then again, imagine the D if James, Thompson and Noah were on the same squad.

I think the Miami taxes, climate and lifestyle will play a big role as well. But maybe he'll have had enough of that in a couple more years such that he doesn't need it year round.

Too bad Marc Gasol's FA is off by a year - he and James on the same team would be fun to watch. They could probably completely melt other teams' D down just with a 2 man game between them.

 

[got_nugs]

If Lebron goes anywhere BUT Cleveland....any pressure to win another title aside from that which is on any superstar? Imagine the pressure on James if he goes back. Gives Cleveland 7 years...they in return give him Boobie Gibson. He leaves, wins multiple titles. If he goes back and doesn't win for Cleveland with a team full of "young players"....does his "legacy" or "resume" take a bigger hit than him going anywhere else, regardless of the outcome? He'd be looked at as a thief who stole the titles from Cleveland in the middle of the night and took them to his mistress Pat Riley.

Again, my gooberism cannot be overstated and i'm just making discussion.

Also, Lance Stephenson is a flopper and the either the Pacers or PGeorge are lying about the concussion situation last night.

 

[Gr00vus]

He'll have pressure to win titles anywhere as long as he's in his prime, including Miami. I think it'd be exacerbated if he somehow ended up on the Knicks.

 

[Todem]

No idea why the Pacers went away from Stephenson offensively in the 4th. It's mind boggling really.

Because Cole was all over him......fantastic adjustment by Spo last night.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I don't see why LBJ would go back to Cleveland. Aside from lucking into the number 1 draft pick a handful of times recently, their front office hasn't show the ability to build good teams, unlike Miami, where Pat Riley has put good role players around LBJ and Wade (and Bosh). I doubt he wants to go back there and struggle when playing the best teams again because the Cavs front office surrounded him with too many stooges/busts/underachievers.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Indy plus 7 in Miami looks like a decent play Saturday...

Do they score more than 210 in SA tonight? Spurs win by 6 or more?

Thoughts?

 

[CurlyNight]

Let's goooooooooooooooo Spursssssssssssssssssssss!

 

[Abraham]

Over.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Over.

Took SAS and over for fitty

 

[fantasycurse42]

Over.

Took SAS and over for fitty

Oops, I took OKC.

 

[Abraham]

Over.

Took SAS and over for fitty

Oops, I took OKC.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Over.

Took SAS and over for fitty

Oops, I took OKC.

Burnt, long day...Small wager... Still have the over.

 

[Abraham]

Over.

Took SAS and over for fitty

Oops, I took OKC.

Burnt, long day...

I don't hate it. Jist liked the other better.

 

[CurlyNight]

Awwwwwwwwwe, Duncan's kids are so cute!