*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (3 Viewers)

[Abraham]

Simmons with some interesting trade ideas in today's column including boston sending six first round picks to the wolves for love.

 

[Frostillicus]

Punching a moth is pretty bad, imo.

 

[Todem]

Simmons with some interesting trade ideas in today's column including boston sending six first round picks to the wolves for love.

Sorry but that is absolutely insane.

 

[Daywalker]

Simmons with some interesting trade ideas in today's column including boston sending six first round picks to the wolves for love.

Sorry but that is absolutely insane.

From column:

"The most logical offer: Both 2014 picks, both 2015 picks, Sullinger, Bogans and Bass’s expiring for Love."

Not exactly a haul for T-Wolves.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Holy ####, Keith bogans is still in the nba?

I swore I saw him as an assistant at Kentucky. Must be another guy who looks like him.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Good lord, that's actually former sixers' first round bust, Kenny Payne, at KY.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Holy ####, Keith bogans is still in the nba?

First thing I thought too.

Also a couple of his trades involved teams trading consecutive #1 picks. Did they suspend the Stepien Rule?

 

[Abraham]

Holy ####, Keith bogans is still in the nba?

First thing I thought too.

Also a couple of his trades involved teams trading consecutive #1 picks. Did they suspend the Stepien Rule?

That applies to your own picks. Boston can trade their own this year and the nets pick this year and the clippers pick next year.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Holy ####, Keith bogans is still in the nba?

First thing I thought too.

Also a couple of his trades involved teams trading consecutive #1 picks. Did they suspend the Stepien Rule?

That applies to your own picks. Boston can trade their own this year and the nets pick this year and the clippers pick next year.

Yes I know.

Boston Celtics: They have a war chest of assets, including two 2014 picks (no. 6 and no. 17), two 2015 first-rounders (their own and an unprotected Clippers pick),..

The most logical offer: Both 2014 picks, both 2015 picks, Sullinger, Bogans and Bass’s expiring for Love.

Cleveland Cavs: Step No. 1: Trade the no. 1 overall pick, Anthony Bennett and an unprotected 2015 first-rounder to Minnesota for Kevin Love.

The Cavs have other 2015 1st rounders besides their own, but they are protected.

 

[Abraham]

Seems like a rookie mistake by him.

 

[Cjw_55106]

Sounds like Dave Joerger to Minnesota is a formality at this point.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I love Hairston - not sure why he's not a late lottery pick.

The NBA is certainly better than the NFL when it comes to separating legitimate character concerns from nonsense, but the nonsense still plays a role.

Hairston also doesn't look particularly quick/athletic, even though he did a decent job defending wings at UNC.

He seems to be athletic enough to hold his own on D if properly motivated, and that stroke is going to keep him in the league for a long time. I'd rather take him than some long shot project in the 10-14 range. I'm not fully aware of his off the court transgressions but we just watched a legitimately terrible person in Lance Stephenson have a big impact in the Conference Finals - that doesn't really concern me.

Legitimately terrible? I wasn't aware of anything...?

i hear this stated a lot so i looked it up today.

i can find 2 transgressions: a sexual assault while in high school and an incident in which he allegedly pushed his gf down a flight of stairs in 2012. people do make it sound like he's Hannibal Lecter. Maybe I missed some stuff.

You don't think that makes him a terrible person? Or did I completely miss your sarcasm?

the sexual assualt was for groping another student in school. Obviously it is not cool.

The case with the girlfriend was ultimately dismissed.

I'm not saying that he is a good guy, but people talk about him like if he's let out of Indianapolis, he will murder everyone. There are lots of other guys in the NBA who have done equally bad things, but I feel like it's always brought up about him.

Totally disagree. Nobody else in the NBA has an arrest record like his, with a sexual assault and an incident as violent as Stephenson's attack on his girlfriend on them. When you read the reports it almost sounds like he was trying to murder her. He pushed her down a flight of stairs and grabbed her head and slammed it on the bottom step,

Jason Kidd's enough of a piece of #### that I have a hard time rooting for him, and Stephenson's incidents are waaay worse.

 

[The Commish]

I don't know much about these prospects.

So, am I right that the options for CHA at 9 will be a couple of white dudes, an undersized SG, and if we're really, really lucky, another athletic tweener F from AZ with no offensive game?

Or is this LaVine kid the one we need to be looking at?

McDermott would be my nightmare pick. He can shoot,that's it. Clifford demands much more in his system. They already have a defense guy that can't score. They don't need an offense guy who can't defend.

If I was Charlotte I would go with Stauskas in the #9 slot. I think he would fill a need of an outside shooter, but he is also able to run the pick and roll and drive to the basket. Charlotte needs a shooter if they are going to run with McBob and MKG to spread the floor.

I'm quite partial to him, but I know it's my bias. The Hornets are in a spot where they can get best player available. Can't remember the last time that was the case. I like Payne and Harris as well. Stauskas has some growing to do on defense if he's going to thrive in Clifford's scheme, but the growth he displayed from his freshman to sophomore year was unreal. No reason he couldn't continue to grow with that kind of work ethic.

 

[Kev4029]

Holy ####, Keith bogans is still in the nba?

First thing I thought too.

Also a couple of his trades involved teams trading consecutive #1 picks. Did they suspend the Stepien Rule?

That applies to your own picks. Boston can trade their own this year and the nets pick this year and the clippers pick next year.

Yes I know.

Boston Celtics: They have a war chest of assets, including two 2014 picks (no. 6 and no. 17), two 2015 first-rounders (their own and an unprotected Clippers pick),..

The most logical offer: Both 2014 picks, both 2015 picks, Sullinger, Bogans and Bass’s expiring for Love.

Cleveland Cavs: Step No. 1: Trade the no. 1 overall pick, Anthony Bennett and an unprotected 2015 first-rounder to Minnesota for Kevin Love.

The Cavs have other 2015 1st rounders besides their own, but they are protected.

If they are draft day trades, both of these would be possible, as the teams acquiring Love would make the pick then trade the player.

 

[pollardsvision]

Simmons with some interesting trade ideas in today's column including boston sending six first round picks to the wolves for love.

Sorry but that is absolutely insane.

From column:"The most logical offer: Both 2014 picks, both 2015 picks, Sullinger, Bogans and Bass’s expiring for Love."

Not exactly a haul for T-Wolves.

It's a nice haul. Maybe they get more from somebody else, but a guaranteed #6 pick, and 3 other 1sts and Sullinger would be a nice deal for them. Unless CLE blows them away, it's hard to see them getting better for a player they are dumb not to trade before the draft.

People seem to really overrate the asset that the star's current team owns in these situations, much like Dwight Howard. MIN doesn't have Kevin Love. They have one year of Kevin Love. Maybe the trade partner gets more than that, maybe not. But MIN definitely isn't getting more than a year from Love (unless Love is as dumb as Howard).

People thought ORL was owed a great deal for Howard, and I guess some think MIN is owed a great deal for Love. But they aren't. They got lucky in the lottery, got some good years, and now that player is moving on. They are lucky to get a head's up that the player is moving on, and should just be thankful for the opportunity to make a solid trade.

They won't replace the great player because they don't "own" the great player.

 

[pollardsvision]

I don't know much about these prospects.

So, am I right that the options for CHA at 9 will be a couple of white dudes, an undersized SG, and if we're really, really lucky, another athletic tweener F from AZ with no offensive game?

Or is this LaVine kid the one we need to be looking at?

McDermott would be my nightmare pick. He can shoot,that's it. Clifford demands much more in his system. They already have a defense guy that can't score. They don't need an offense guy who can't defend.

If I was Charlotte I would go with Stauskas in the #9 slot. I think he would fill a need of an outside shooter, but he is also able to run the pick and roll and drive to the basket. Charlotte needs a shooter if they are going to run with McBob and MKG to spread the floor.

I'm quite partial to him, but I know it's my bias. The Hornets are in a spot where they can get best player available. Can't remember the last time that was the case. I like Payne and Harris as well. Stauskas has some growing to do on defense if he's going to thrive in Clifford's scheme, but the growth he displayed from his freshman to sophomore year was unreal. No reason he couldn't continue to grow with that kind of work ethic.

I'm biased in the other direction, but if Jordan (well, I guess Cho now) takes white dudes from the B10 that played 2 years in college with back to back lottery picks, I'm going to be a little upset.

 

[Timmay]

I don't know much about these prospects.

So, am I right that the options for CHA at 9 will be a couple of white dudes, an undersized SG, and if we're really, really lucky, another athletic tweener F from AZ with no offensive game?

Or is this LaVine kid the one we need to be looking at?

McDermott would be my nightmare pick. He can shoot,that's it. Clifford demands much more in his system. They already have a defense guy that can't score. They don't need an offense guy who can't defend.

If I was Charlotte I would go with Stauskas in the #9 slot. I think he would fill a need of an outside shooter, but he is also able to run the pick and roll and drive to the basket. Charlotte needs a shooter if they are going to run with McBob and MKG to spread the floor.

I'm quite partial to him, but I know it's my bias. The Hornets are in a spot where they can get best player available. Can't remember the last time that was the case. I like Payne and Harris as well. Stauskas has some growing to do on defense if he's going to thrive in Clifford's scheme, but the growth he displayed from his freshman to sophomore year was unreal. No reason he couldn't continue to grow with that kind of work ethic.

I'm biased in the other direction, but if Jordan (well, I guess Cho now) takes white dudes from the B10 that played 2 years in college with back to back lottery picks, I'm going to be a little upset.

I understand where you are coming from, but simply put, Charlotte needs a scoring threat to compliment Big Al and Kemba. What better way than a knock down shooter who can also create his own shot off the dribble and has the size to get shots off. I think he would be a big upgrade to Henderson.

 

[pollardsvision]

I don't know much about these prospects.

So, am I right that the options for CHA at 9 will be a couple of white dudes, an undersized SG, and if we're really, really lucky, another athletic tweener F from AZ with no offensive game?

Or is this LaVine kid the one we need to be looking at?

McDermott would be my nightmare pick. He can shoot,that's it. Clifford demands much more in his system. They already have a defense guy that can't score. They don't need an offense guy who can't defend.

If I was Charlotte I would go with Stauskas in the #9 slot. I think he would fill a need of an outside shooter, but he is also able to run the pick and roll and drive to the basket. Charlotte needs a shooter if they are going to run with McBob and MKG to spread the floor.

I'm quite partial to him, but I know it's my bias. The Hornets are in a spot where they can get best player available. Can't remember the last time that was the case. I like Payne and Harris as well. Stauskas has some growing to do on defense if he's going to thrive in Clifford's scheme, but the growth he displayed from his freshman to sophomore year was unreal. No reason he couldn't continue to grow with that kind of work ethic.

I'm biased in the other direction, but if Jordan (well, I guess Cho now) takes white dudes from the B10 that played 2 years in college with back to back lottery picks, I'm going to be a little upset.

I understand where you are coming from, but simply put, Charlotte needs a scoring threat to compliment Big Al and Kemba. What better way than a knock down shooter who can also create his own shot off the dribble and has the size to get shots off. I think he would be a big upgrade to Henderson.

Sounds like he might be the right guy for 2014-15. Tough call in CHA whether to go with long-term upside or somebody that might be limited long-term but has as specific skill they desperately need right now.

I could see where the MI kid could make sense. They are still in the building process, but Big Al won't be here forever and the potential of landing a real star a #9 seems pretty slim.

And unlike a lot of fans, the thought of this version of CHA maxing out as a 5-seed in the East before Al hits the wall or leaves actually sounds great to me.

 

[Premier]

Simmons with some interesting trade ideas in today's column including boston sending six first round picks to the wolves for love.

Sorry but that is absolutely insane.

From column:"The most logical offer: Both 2014 picks, both 2015 picks, Sullinger, Bogans and Basss expiring for Love."

Not exactly a haul for T-Wolves.

It's a nice haul. Maybe they get more from somebody else, but a guaranteed #6 pick, and 3 other 1sts and Sullinger would be a nice deal for them. Unless CLE blows them away, it's hard to see them getting better for a player they are dumb not to trade before the draft.People seem to really overrate the asset that the star's current team owns in these situations, much like Dwight Howard. MIN doesn't have Kevin Love. They have one year of Kevin Love. Maybe the trade partner gets more than that, maybe not. But MIN definitely isn't getting more than a year from Love (unless Love is as dumb as Howard).

People thought ORL was owed a great deal for Howard, and I guess some think MIN is owed a great deal for Love. But they aren't. They got lucky in the lottery, got some good years, and now that player is moving on. They are lucky to get a head's up that the player is moving on, and should just be thankful for the opportunity to make a solid trade.

They won't replace the great player because they don't "own" the great player.

I saw you post this same diatribe during the Dwight situation too. You seem to have a real problem with how American sports deals with its players. They don't own the player, but they do own his nba rights and that's good enough to get a haul.

 

[pollardsvision]

Simmons with some interesting trade ideas in today's column including boston sending six first round picks to the wolves for love.

Sorry but that is absolutely insane.

From column:"The most logical offer: Both 2014 picks, both 2015 picks, Sullinger, Bogans and Basss expiring for Love."

Not exactly a haul for T-Wolves.

It's a nice haul. Maybe they get more from somebody else, but a guaranteed #6 pick, and 3 other 1sts and Sullinger would be a nice deal for them. Unless CLE blows them away, it's hard to see them getting better for a player they are dumb not to trade before the draft.People seem to really overrate the asset that the star's current team owns in these situations, much like Dwight Howard. MIN doesn't have Kevin Love. They have one year of Kevin Love. Maybe the trade partner gets more than that, maybe not. But MIN definitely isn't getting more than a year from Love (unless Love is as dumb as Howard).

People thought ORL was owed a great deal for Howard, and I guess some think MIN is owed a great deal for Love. But they aren't. They got lucky in the lottery, got some good years, and now that player is moving on. They are lucky to get a head's up that the player is moving on, and should just be thankful for the opportunity to make a solid trade.

They won't replace the great player because they don't "own" the great player.

I saw you post this same diatribe during the Dwight situation too. You seem to have a real problem with how American sports deals with its players.They don't own the player, but they do own his nba rights and that's good enough to get a haul.

I'm not saying it isn't enough to get a haul.

It's more you spoiled fans that strike gold in the lottery and get lucky enough to get a head's up that the player want's out of your crappy franchise thinking the player owes you something. Howard did everything he could for ORL and just got beat up in the media for it.

He should've just did what LeBron did. Not talk about it, opt out, and leave via a worthless S&T when FA comes. Let you guys wait to end up with the #1 pick in the draft with a HOF center available for the 3rd time and see if you can finally make it work with that.

 

[Abraham]

No team is trading for Love without getting him to at least opt-in to the last year of his deal.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Sterling authorizes wife to negotiate sale of Clippers

 

[pollardsvision]

Sterling authorizes wife to negotiate sale of Clippers

Wow.

 

[Timmay]

Sterling authorizes wife to negotiate sale of Clippers

Wow.

It's looking like Lebron will have to play next year. shucks.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Sterling authorizes wife to negotiate sale of Clippers

Wow.

Yeah. I assume he saw little chance for success in the sale vote or a request for injunction, and thought it better if he controlled the terms of the sale. Makes a lot of sense for a rational person, but Sterling isn't necessarily that, and as an 80 year old billionaire he doesn't really need to be. Good news, though. NBA doesn't have to approve it obviously. I assume the starting point for the league will be making sure that nobody remotely related to Sterling retains any short of ownership or affiliation.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Simmons with some interesting trade ideas in today's column including boston sending six first round picks to the wolves for love.

Sorry but that is absolutely insane.

From column:"The most logical offer: Both 2014 picks, both 2015 picks, Sullinger, Bogans and Basss expiring for Love."

Not exactly a haul for T-Wolves.

It's a nice haul. Maybe they get more from somebody else, but a guaranteed #6 pick, and 3 other 1sts and Sullinger would be a nice deal for them. Unless CLE blows them away, it's hard to see them getting better for a player they are dumb not to trade before the draft.People seem to really overrate the asset that the star's current team owns in these situations, much like Dwight Howard. MIN doesn't have Kevin Love. They have one year of Kevin Love. Maybe the trade partner gets more than that, maybe not. But MIN definitely isn't getting more than a year from Love (unless Love is as dumb as Howard).

People thought ORL was owed a great deal for Howard, and I guess some think MIN is owed a great deal for Love. But they aren't. They got lucky in the lottery, got some good years, and now that player is moving on. They are lucky to get a head's up that the player is moving on, and should just be thankful for the opportunity to make a solid trade.

They won't replace the great player because they don't "own" the great player.

I saw you post this same diatribe during the Dwight situation too. You seem to have a real problem with how American sports deals with its players.They don't own the player, but they do own his nba rights and that's good enough to get a haul.

I'm not saying it isn't enough to get a haul.

It's more you spoiled fans that strike gold in the lottery and get lucky enough to get a head's up that the player want's out of your crappy franchise thinking the player owes you something. Howard did everything he could for ORL and just got beat up in the media for it.

He should've just did what LeBron did. Not talk about it, opt out, and leave via a worthless S&T when FA comes. Let you guys wait to end up with the #1 pick in the draft with a HOF center available for the 3rd time and see if you can finally make it work with that.

I think they "owe" the fans to live up to the contracts they signed and not hold the franchise hostage and demand a trade. LeBron handled it perfectly (other than the decision). Howard, Love, Melo, etc act like brats.

 

[pollardsvision]

Simmons with some interesting trade ideas in today's column including boston sending six first round picks to the wolves for love.

Sorry but that is absolutely insane.

From column:"The most logical offer: Both 2014 picks, both 2015 picks, Sullinger, Bogans and Basss expiring for Love."

Not exactly a haul for T-Wolves.

It's a nice haul. Maybe they get more from somebody else, but a guaranteed #6 pick, and 3 other 1sts and Sullinger would be a nice deal for them. Unless CLE blows them away, it's hard to see them getting better for a player they are dumb not to trade before the draft.People seem to really overrate the asset that the star's current team owns in these situations, much like Dwight Howard. MIN doesn't have Kevin Love. They have one year of Kevin Love. Maybe the trade partner gets more than that, maybe not. But MIN definitely isn't getting more than a year from Love (unless Love is as dumb as Howard).

People thought ORL was owed a great deal for Howard, and I guess some think MIN is owed a great deal for Love. But they aren't. They got lucky in the lottery, got some good years, and now that player is moving on. They are lucky to get a head's up that the player is moving on, and should just be thankful for the opportunity to make a solid trade.

They won't replace the great player because they don't "own" the great player.

I saw you post this same diatribe during the Dwight situation too. You seem to have a real problem with how American sports deals with its players.They don't own the player, but they do own his nba rights and that's good enough to get a haul.

I'm not saying it isn't enough to get a haul.

It's more you spoiled fans that strike gold in the lottery and get lucky enough to get a head's up that the player want's out of your crappy franchise thinking the player owes you something. Howard did everything he could for ORL and just got beat up in the media for it.

He should've just did what LeBron did. Not talk about it, opt out, and leave via a worthless S&T when FA comes. Let you guys wait to end up with the #1 pick in the draft with a HOF center available for the 3rd time and see if you can finally make it work with that.

I think they "owe" the fans to live up to the contracts they signed and not hold the franchise hostage and demand a trade. LeBron handled it perfectly (other than the decision). Howard, Love, Melo, etc act like brats.

All teams should be so lucky to have stars act like a brat on the way out. It's a really dumb thing for a player to do because you end up on a team with less talent because they traded good assets to land you and because you get destroyed in the media, but it works out a million times better for the team.

 

[tommy300]

IMO Love isn't worth anything close to crazy offers being throw around, especially without signing some type of extension. Of course the big thing I heard on talk radio is that the Cavs should give up number 1 for Love, that would all be the ploy to get LeBron back. From next season forward would LeBron rather be with Wade and Bosh, or Irving and Love? For some reason I have a feeling that James will never to back to Cleveland though so this whole #1 for Love is prob a pipe dream anyway.

 

[tommy300]

Quick add, if Love really wants to win and be involved in the playoff, etc. He should go to a decent team in the East

 

[Bobcat10]

IMO Love isn't worth anything close to crazy offers being throw around, especially without signing some type of extension. Of course the big thing I heard on talk radio is that the Cavs should give up number 1 for Love, that would all be the ploy to get LeBron back. From next season forward would LeBron rather be with Wade and Bosh, or Irving and Love? For some reason I have a feeling that James will never to back to Cleveland though so this whole #1 for Love is prob a pipe dream anyway.

I'm assuming he will want to align himself with teammates that will help him win more titles. I don't think the former does that, but I'm not sure about the latter.

 

[Premier]

Simmons with some interesting trade ideas in today's column including boston sending six first round picks to the wolves for love.

Sorry but that is absolutely insane.

From column:"The most logical offer: Both 2014 picks, both 2015 picks, Sullinger, Bogans and Basss expiring for Love."

Not exactly a haul for T-Wolves.

It's a nice haul. Maybe they get more from somebody else, but a guaranteed #6 pick, and 3 other 1sts and Sullinger would be a nice deal for them. Unless CLE blows them away, it's hard to see them getting better for a player they are dumb not to trade before the draft.People seem to really overrate the asset that the star's current team owns in these situations, much like Dwight Howard. MIN doesn't have Kevin Love. They have one year of Kevin Love. Maybe the trade partner gets more than that, maybe not. But MIN definitely isn't getting more than a year from Love (unless Love is as dumb as Howard).

People thought ORL was owed a great deal for Howard, and I guess some think MIN is owed a great deal for Love. But they aren't. They got lucky in the lottery, got some good years, and now that player is moving on. They are lucky to get a head's up that the player is moving on, and should just be thankful for the opportunity to make a solid trade.

They won't replace the great player because they don't "own" the great player.

I saw you post this same diatribe during the Dwight situation too. You seem to have a real problem with how American sports deals with its players.They don't own the player, but they do own his nba rights and that's good enough to get a haul.

I'm not saying it isn't enough to get a haul.It's more you spoiled fans that strike gold in the lottery and get lucky enough to get a head's up that the player want's out of your crappy franchise thinking the player owes you something. Howard did everything he could for ORL and just got beat up in the media for it.

He should've just did what LeBron did. Not talk about it, opt out, and leave via a worthless S&T when FA comes. Let you guys wait to end up with the #1 pick in the draft with a HOF center available for the 3rd time and see if you can finally make it work with that.

Seriously. You seem so angry about this. Show me on the doll where the team GM touched you.

 

[Cjw_55106]

If Love isn't worth the deals thrown around, what is he worth? Is he not one of the top PFs in the NBA?

 

[pollardsvision]

IMO Love isn't worth anything close to crazy offers being throw around, especially without signing some type of extension. Of course the big thing I heard on talk radio is that the Cavs should give up number 1 for Love, that would all be the ploy to get LeBron back. From next season forward would LeBron rather be with Wade and Bosh, or Irving and Love? For some reason I have a feeling that James will never to back to Cleveland though so this whole #1 for Love is prob a pipe dream anyway.

I think he's worth some fairly crazy offers, but if CLE doesn't trade the #1 pick (as you say, a pipedream), I'm just not sure the blow them away offer really exists.

Any team willing to give a bunch of 1sts for Love is going to be a good franchise that doesn't plan on sucking for the next few years, so it seems unlikely they could land more than one guaranteed Top 8 or so pick. I think CLE and PHI are the only teams with the assets to pull off a blow away offer. Obviously, he's not agreeing to any sort of extension with them before the 2014 draft.

 

[pollardsvision]

Simmons with some interesting trade ideas in today's column including boston sending six first round picks to the wolves for love.

Sorry but that is absolutely insane.

From column:"The most logical offer: Both 2014 picks, both 2015 picks, Sullinger, Bogans and Basss expiring for Love."

Not exactly a haul for T-Wolves.

It's a nice haul. Maybe they get more from somebody else, but a guaranteed #6 pick, and 3 other 1sts and Sullinger would be a nice deal for them. Unless CLE blows them away, it's hard to see them getting better for a player they are dumb not to trade before the draft.People seem to really overrate the asset that the star's current team owns in these situations, much like Dwight Howard. MIN doesn't have Kevin Love. They have one year of Kevin Love. Maybe the trade partner gets more than that, maybe not. But MIN definitely isn't getting more than a year from Love (unless Love is as dumb as Howard).

People thought ORL was owed a great deal for Howard, and I guess some think MIN is owed a great deal for Love. But they aren't. They got lucky in the lottery, got some good years, and now that player is moving on. They are lucky to get a head's up that the player is moving on, and should just be thankful for the opportunity to make a solid trade.

They won't replace the great player because they don't "own" the great player.

I saw you post this same diatribe during the Dwight situation too. You seem to have a real problem with how American sports deals with its players.They don't own the player, but they do own his nba rights and that's good enough to get a haul.

I'm not saying it isn't enough to get a haul.It's more you spoiled fans that strike gold in the lottery and get lucky enough to get a head's up that the player want's out of your crappy franchise thinking the player owes you something. Howard did everything he could for ORL and just got beat up in the media for it.

He should've just did what LeBron did. Not talk about it, opt out, and leave via a worthless S&T when FA comes. Let you guys wait to end up with the #1 pick in the draft with a HOF center available for the 3rd time and see if you can finally make it work with that.

Seriously. You seem so angry about this. Show me on the doll where the team GM touched you.

I'm just an angry CHA fan. We've had a nasty combination of bad draft picks and just getting screwed by the ping-pong balls. Either way, we've never had a real franchise player, and I get annoyed hearing fans of other crappy franchises whine about what they'll receive after they've gotten 7-8 great years out of one. Just say thank you and go back to slumming it like the rest of us.

I'm not proud that this makes me so angry.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

If Love isn't worth the deals thrown around, what is he worth? Is he not one of the top PFs in the NBA?

Whatever teams are willing to pay. He is definitely one of the best players in the game.

I don't think the trades being thrown around are that crazy. Thompson/Lee, 1st pick & Waiters, platter of picks from the Celtics, Lin/Asik, etc. All of those seem legit. Well, almost all of them.

Depends if the Wolves are going to tear it down or try to remain competitive.

 

[tommy300]

If Love isn't worth the deals thrown around, what is he worth? Is he not one of the top PFs in the NBA?

I do think he is one of the top 5 PF's today but the one deal for 4 1st's is nuts.

I love Tim Duncan's game and he has championships to show (from mostly the PF spot). Dirk and Garrett each got one, look at other recent greats. Kemp, Webber, Barkley, Malone, tons of playoffs, how many championships?

I think Love is a top player and could be a piece to win a championship, not the piece to lead a team to one.

I'd trade the #1 pick for him depending on team make - up and if I were Cleveland I would trade it in a second if Minny wanted it, but for a different team with a lot of needs, I'll keep the 4 1st's.

 

[pollardsvision]

If Love isn't worth the deals thrown around, what is he worth? Is he not one of the top PFs in the NBA?

I do think he is one of the top 5 PF's today but the one deal for 4 1st's is nuts.

I love Tim Duncan's game and he has championships to show (from mostly the PF spot). Dirk and Garrett each got one, look at other recent greats. Kemp, Webber, Barkley, Malone, tons of playoffs, how many championships?

I think Love is a top player and could be a piece to win a championship, not the piece to lead a team to one.

I'd trade the #1 pick for him depending on team make - up and if I were Cleveland I would trade it in a second if Minny wanted it, but for a different team with a lot of needs, I'll keep the 4 1st's.

I agree with most of that, but I think Love is getting a little unfairly criticized about the team's results.

First 2 years, Rambis wouldn't play him. In his 2nd year, playing with, by far the best teammate of his career(Al Jefferson), he played fewer minutes than Corey Brewer, Johnny Flynn, Ryan Gomes, and Ramon Sessions.

Year 3, his best teammate was a guy that ended having 3 different franchises give up on him before his 25th birthday and could be out of the league before his 27th.

Then a 3 year stretch with a young Rubio as a best teammate. Maybe Rubio develops into something resembling a passable 2nd banana, but he's certainly not there now. Love, of course, missed one of those three years. Pushing .500 in the West with that team was quite a feat.

You can win a title with Love as your best player, and I don't think any team has enough to really give too much for Love if they can sign him to an extension.

 

[tommy300]

One other topic on my mind, I know pain, I am a lifelong Bucks fans, I am terrified of the Bucks getting Embiid. There is no way that I take a big man at pick 1/2 that is already showing injury concerns (especially) with track records out there about so many centers careers affected/ended with bone issues/other injury problems. Just throwing some out there once they got hurt they were never the same/going back to Walton, more recently Oden, Lopez, Bogut, Curry, Bynum, Ming, Camby, Illgauskas, Bowie, Ellison, Candyman

Is there anyway that you would feel comfortable as a GM with a top 3 pick to take a big man that after one college season is already showing injury problems, even if he is the most talented guy in the draft. I really want Wiggins, but would much rather take Parker or even X over Embiid.

 

[fantasycurse42]

IMO Love isn't worth anything close to crazy offers being throw around, especially without signing some type of extension. Of course the big thing I heard on talk radio is that the Cavs should give up number 1 for Love, that would all be the ploy to get LeBron back. From next season forward would LeBron rather be with Wade and Bosh, or Irving and Love? For some reason I have a feeling that James will never to back to Cleveland though so this whole #1 for Love is prob a pipe dream anyway.

Irving & Love with the opportunity to right the ship in his hometown seems like a ton of motivation to come back if you ask me... I'm sure if Lebron was coming back, Love would happily resign in Cleveland...

I also think Love/Irving are a MUCH better supporting cast moving forward than Wade/Bosh and Lebron knows this.

 

[Gadzooks]

One other topic on my mind, I know pain, I am a lifelong Bucks fans, I am terrified of the Bucks getting Embiid. There is no way that I take a big man at pick 1/2 that is already showing injury concerns (especially) with track records out there about so many centers careers affected/ended with bone issues/other injury problems. Just throwing some out there once they got hurt they were never the same/going back to Walton, more recently Oden, Lopez, Bogut, Curry, Bynum, Ming, Camby, Illgauskas, Bowie, Ellison, Candyman

Is there anyway that you would feel comfortable as a GM with a top 3 pick to take a big man that after one college season is already showing injury problems, even if he is the most talented guy in the draft. I really want Wiggins, but would much rather take Parker or even X over Embiid.

Read Russilo's article on Grantland about scouts take on Embiid, Wiggins, Parker and Randle. I felt the same way as you about Embiid, but I might be changing my mind.

 

[Gr00vus]

One other topic on my mind, I know pain, I am a lifelong Bucks fans, I am terrified of the Bucks getting Embiid. There is no way that I take a big man at pick 1/2 that is already showing injury concerns (especially) with track records out there about so many centers careers affected/ended with bone issues/other injury problems. Just throwing some out there once they got hurt they were never the same/going back to Walton, more recently Oden, Lopez, Bogut, Curry, Bynum, Ming, Camby, Illgauskas, Bowie, Ellison, Candyman

Is there anyway that you would feel comfortable as a GM with a top 3 pick to take a big man that after one college season is already showing injury problems, even if he is the most talented guy in the draft. I really want Wiggins, but would much rather take Parker or even X over Embiid.

The Bucks need to just take the best player available at their pick. And they need to make the judgement taking the most optimistic reasonable outcome as the goal, i.e. assume all players under consideration stay healthy, take who they think has the best shot at being a franchise player. If they whiff, they'll just be in the top of the lottery again soon. A solid rotation guy isn't going to do much for them, they need to keep swinging for the fences until they come up with someone great.

 

[tommy300]

Pollardsvision- I agree with most of your post too. Minny never had much of anything around Love and a couple of the seasons that they were competitive. I think Love is a great player too and that he has had some criticism that isn't fair/right. The only thing from your post that I disagree with is that Love can lead a team to a title, I could be proven wrong though, I just see several teams out there that are put together pretty well so getting over that hump would be difficult...

 

[tommy300]

Oh I guess I never stated it but yeah if I were LeBron I would take Irving/Love over Wade/Bosh easy.

 

[thecatch]

You can win a title with Love as your best player.

Could not disagree with that more, and further, I don't think any of Love's biggest supporters would even make such a claim.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

There's been some discussion that Lebron might not be that excited about the idea of playing with Kyrie. I don't really know any background on it, just something I've heard.

 

[pollardsvision]

Pollardsvision- I agree with most of your post too. Minny never had much of anything around Love and a couple of the seasons that they were competitive. I think Love is a great player too and that he has had some criticism that isn't fair/right. The only thing from your post that I disagree with is that Love can lead a team to a title, I could be proven wrong though, I just see several teams out there that are put together pretty well so getting over that hump would be difficult...

I think you could, but I agree it's not likely. Though, I'm not sure anybody has a great chance to win a title for a while without LeBron, Durant, Davis, or Pop.

And really, if I'm Love, I'm trying to figure out a way to end up on a team with one of those 3 anyway.

 

[pollardsvision]

You can win a title with Love as your best player.

Could not disagree with that more, and further, I don't think any of Love's biggest supporters would even make such a claim.

It'd be hard because of LeBron/Durant/Davis in the league and obviously there are some stacked teams, but after those 3 guys, I think he's as a good a bet as any of the others if you are picking one player build a team around. Some of the others in that conversation happen to play on the same team (LAC, HOU), so certainly, it would be really tough.

 

[The Commish]

I don't know much about these prospects.

So, am I right that the options for CHA at 9 will be a couple of white dudes, an undersized SG, and if we're really, really lucky, another athletic tweener F from AZ with no offensive game?

Or is this LaVine kid the one we need to be looking at?

McDermott would be my nightmare pick. He can shoot,that's it. Clifford demands much more in his system. They already have a defense guy that can't score. They don't need an offense guy who can't defend.

If I was Charlotte I would go with Stauskas in the #9 slot. I think he would fill a need of an outside shooter, but he is also able to run the pick and roll and drive to the basket. Charlotte needs a shooter if they are going to run with McBob and MKG to spread the floor.

I'm quite partial to him, but I know it's my bias. The Hornets are in a spot where they can get best player available. Can't remember the last time that was the case. I like Payne and Harris as well. Stauskas has some growing to do on defense if he's going to thrive in Clifford's scheme, but the growth he displayed from his freshman to sophomore year was unreal. No reason he couldn't continue to grow with that kind of work ethic.

I'm biased in the other direction, but if Jordan (well, I guess Cho now) takes white dudes from the B10 that played 2 years in college with back to back lottery picks, I'm going to be a little upset.

Look on the bright side....can't be any worse than the Sean May or Raymond Felton or Gerald Henderson from right here on tobacco road Are you more upset that they are white or that they come from the B1G? Or that they each just played two years?

 

[Abraham]

You can win a title with Love as your best player.

Could not disagree with that more, and further, I don't think any of Love's biggest supporters would even make such a claim.

This is silly. In the last decade the only teams to have won a title had Lebron, Duncan, dirk, Kobe, and Pierce (?) as their "best player." So, except for the celtics ring, you needed to have one of the four best players in a generation on your team. Ok, well then.

 

[TobiasFunke]

You can win a title with Love as your best player.

Could not disagree with that more, and further, I don't think any of Love's biggest supporters would even make such a claim.

Sure you can. There's an infinite number of ways to win a title. Imagine a starting 5 comprised of Love and four guys almost as good as him. They'd break the Bulls' mark of 72 wins.