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[Gadzooks]

I heard this in Philly on sports talk radio but I need someone to confirm. I heard Philly owns MIA 1st rounder in 2015, but it goes to the Celtics unless it's a lottery pick. So if everyone opts out and the team is in the lottery, the Sixers will most likely have two lottery picks again. Any truth to this?

I don't think that's correct. Miami had Philly's 2015 1st rounder unless it is in the lottery then it becomes 2 second round picks. Miami traded that pick to Boston, so it is Boston that owns Philly's first rounder next year which is lottery protected. 96% sure I'm right about that.

 

[biggamer3]

Pretty sure Wade doesn't opt out, he loses tens of millions if he does

 

[Captain Quinoa]

I heard this in Philly on sports talk radio but I need someone to confirm. I heard Philly owns MIA 1st rounder in 2015, but it goes to the Celtics unless it's a lottery pick. So if everyone opts out and the team is in the lottery, the Sixers will most likely have two lottery picks again. Any truth to this?

I don't think that's correct. Miami had Philly's 2015 1st rounder unless it is in the lottery then it becomes 2 second round picks. Miami traded that pick to Boston, so it is Boston that owns Philly's first rounder next year which is lottery protected. 96% sure I'm right about that.

Correct. Boston has Philly's pick (via Miami). Cleveland has Miami's pick.

2015 first round draft pick from Philadelphia

Philadelphia's 2015 1st round pick to Boston (via Miami) protected for selections 1-14; if Philadelphia has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Boston by 2015, then Philadelphia will instead convey its 2015 2nd round pick and 2016 2nd round pick to Boston [Miami-Philadelphia, 6/28/2012 and then Boston-Golden State-Miami, 1/15/2014]

2015 first round draft pick from Miami

Miami's 1st round pick to Cleveland protected for selections 1-10 in 2015 or 1-10 in 2016 or unprotected in 2017 [Cleveland-Miami, 7/9/2010]

 

[Max Power]

Let me fill you all in since we like to make crap up in here all the time. The Heat are right on schedule. Lebron is right on schedule, Bosh and Wade are going to follow in short order as well as Haslem opting out.

This has all been discussed well in advance of today. Nothing is 100%. But pretty much the confidence level is extremely high that Pat Riley will get it done. Lebron, Bosh and Wade all will get new extensions, a few new pieces will be brought in and we will roll on.

I basically agree that this is what will happen. What I don't see happening is the Heat "rolling on".

Resigning the big three is still going to take up 70% of your cap space. If Haslem retires, you only have 1 other player under contract. Norris Cole for 2mil. Now the Heat need to get 8 other players under contract for roughly 15 mil. Not to mention you need two big men, who are always overpaid. The math here just doesn't work.

The only thing that can save the heat is if Bosh/Wade/James take deep pay cuts. I'm just not sold on that happening.

Also this FA crop doesn't look to have a lot of ring chasers at this point.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

If I was a GM trying to pair Lebron with 1 other star, there's probably at least 40 players I'd rather have than Carmello. Including Kawai Leonard

Of course the problem is that LeBron probably wants to play with Melo more than any other player in the NBA. You guys who believe that the Hoosiers way is the only way to win in the NBA may hate Melo, but all the players, coaches, GMs, and owners know he's a top 5 level talent.

Yep. Knicks >>> Spurs.

 

[Todem]

Let me fill you all in since we like to make crap up in here all the time. The Heat are right on schedule. Lebron is right on schedule, Bosh and Wade are going to follow in short order as well as Haslem opting out.

This has all been discussed well in advance of today. Nothing is 100%. But pretty much the confidence level is extremely high that Pat Riley will get it done. Lebron, Bosh and Wade all will get new extensions, a few new pieces will be brought in and we will roll on.

I basically agree that this is what will happen. What I don't see happening is the Heat "rolling on".

Resigning the big three is still going to take up 70% of your cap space. If Haslem retires, you only have 1 other player under contract. Norris Cole for 2mil. Now the Heat need to get 8 other players under contract for roughly 15 mil. Not to mention you need two big men, who are always overpaid. The math here just doesn't work.

The only thing that can save the heat is if Bosh/Wade/James take deep pay cuts. I'm just not sold on that happening.

Also this FA crop doesn't look to have a lot of ring chasers at this point.

On the surface...it does not look great. Can't disagree. But I have learned to trust Riley. The guy get's things done beyond comprehension. He is once heck of a team president.

Best in the biz quite frankly.

 

[Gr00vus]

Let me fill you all in since we like to make crap up in here all the time. The Heat are right on schedule. Lebron is right on schedule, Bosh and Wade are going to follow in short order as well as Haslem opting out.

This has all been discussed well in advance of today. Nothing is 100%. But pretty much the confidence level is extremely high that Pat Riley will get it done. Lebron, Bosh and Wade all will get new extensions, a few new pieces will be brought in and we will roll on.

I basically agree that this is what will happen. What I don't see happening is the Heat "rolling on".

Resigning the big three is still going to take up 70% of your cap space. If Haslem retires, you only have 1 other player under contract. Norris Cole for 2mil. Now the Heat need to get 8 other players under contract for roughly 15 mil. Not to mention you need two big men, who are always overpaid. The math here just doesn't work.

The only thing that can save the heat is if Bosh/Wade/James take deep pay cuts. I'm just not sold on that happening.

Also this FA crop doesn't look to have a lot of ring chasers at this point.

On the surface...it does not look great. Can't disagree. But I have learned to trust Riley. The guy get's things done beyond comprehension. He is once heck of a team president.

Best in the biz quite frankly.

I'll take the guys running the Spurs.

 

[Bauer]

I heard this in Philly on sports talk radio but I need someone to confirm. I heard Philly owns MIA 1st rounder in 2015, but it goes to the Celtics unless it's a lottery pick. So if everyone opts out and the team is in the lottery, the Sixers will most likely have two lottery picks again. Any truth to this?

I don't think that's correct. Miami had Philly's 2015 1st rounder unless it is in the lottery then it becomes 2 second round picks. Miami traded that pick to Boston, so it is Boston that owns Philly's first rounder next year which is lottery protected. 96% sure I'm right about that.

Correct. Boston has Philly's pick (via Miami). Cleveland has Miami's pick.

2015 first round draft pick from Philadelphia

Philadelphia's 2015 1st round pick to Boston (via Miami) protected for selections 1-14; if Philadelphia has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Boston by 2015, then Philadelphia will instead convey its 2015 2nd round pick and 2016 2nd round pick to Boston [Miami-Philadelphia, 6/28/2012 and then Boston-Golden State-Miami, 1/15/2014]

2015 first round draft pick from Miami

Miami's 1st round pick to Cleveland protected for selections 1-10 in 2015 or 1-10 in 2016 or unprotected in 2017 [Cleveland-Miami, 7/9/2010]

That makes more sense, should have known not to trust the talking heads here.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Do we know what the 76ers are doing with their 5 second round picks yet?

 

[Cliff Clavin]

• Panicky Pat Riley: He’s the definition of cool, but Riley seemed less than in control during a June 19 news conference in which he exhorted other people to “get a grip.” If James leaves, certain Riley quotes will seem telling in retrospect. For instance, Riley said of his exit meeting with James, "He was restless. He wanted to get out of town with his family." On his relationship with James, Riley didn’t exactly betray a close working bond: "It's a texting relationship. It's a short meeting in the hallway. He knows I love him. He knows I respect him."

Doesn't sound good for Heaters.

 

[Gustavo Fring]

Here come the takes.

An open letter to Lebron James

So you announced today that you are opting out of your contract with the Miami Heat, leaving sports fans in every neighborhood here to wonder where your next "home" will be.

Well let me make it easy for you Lebron. Don't bother making your home here. Miami doesn't need you.

What more could you have wanted? Money? Oh you got that, in spades. A great team around you to finally carry you to a title? Absolutely. Pat Riley surrounded you with Hall of Famers and superb role players and you finally broke through to win two championships.

Of course, you really should consider having Ray Allen's name inscribed on that 2013 ring of yours.

That said, you gained all of those things as well as respect during your four years in Miami.

But instead of giving thanks, you are now giving notice.

Now I know why Dan Gilbert went on that Comic Sans fueled rant in 2010. He thought he had done enough to inspire loyalty from you. Clearly Pat Riley believes that he is owed the same from you although it appears you once again don't reciprocate.

Luckily Riles probably doesn't know what comic sans is although he is too much of a man to stab someone in the back like that.

Of course you don't know how that feels. You don't know how it feels to be a man, to have some courage and to repay those who laid the golden road down for you to walk on. You probably think you did this all yourself Lebron but you didn't. This franchise won titles before you and will win them after you.

But you won't be around to see any of that. Because as you have demonstrated today, you can opt out of your contract but apparently you can't opt in to having any heart.

What moronic fan said this?

Oh brother people are as dumb as rocks. It amazes me.

I am not a big Lebron fan or anything, but I definitely respect the talent. He is already stated as not caring what the media, other people, etc. think of him. All he wants to do is win, and winning for Miami fans is the last fan base I would want to win for if I were him.

 

[Abraham]

Lebron will be loved by whichever fans are in the city where he plays and largely disliked or overly-judged by everyone else.

 

[modogg]

They both think that the #7 for MCW and Thad Young makes a bunch of sense for both sides (both think Exum goes #3).

that's just silly. Sure it makes sense for LAL, but makes no sense at all for the Sixers

 

[Cliff Clavin]

They both think that the #7 for MCW and Thad Young makes a bunch of sense for both sides (both think Exum goes #3).

that's just silly. Sure it makes sense for LAL, but makes no sense at all for the Sixers

Sure it does. Young isn't part of the future in Philly and he could very well walk after this season. If you think you can get a better player than MCW at #7, you do it. And with the talent in this draft, getting someone better than MCW shouldn't be hard.

 

[Kal El]

Personally I'm just tired of all the talk about Heat basketball, even though I live near West Palm, and the other 3 teams in the area all stink. So I guess I'll have to give up sports radio for now.

 

[pollardsvision]

They both think that the #7 for MCW and Thad Young makes a bunch of sense for both sides (both think Exum goes #3).

that's just silly. Sure it makes sense for LAL, but makes no sense at all for the Sixers

It all depends on how good you think MCW is. If he's not a star, it's a great deal.

This is the best draft in a decade, and there's a really good chance the 7th best player turns out to be better than MCW. Plus they'll be able to keep him a year longer.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Someone is going to get the steal of the draft in Julius Randle... I get it, he has a foot injury, but this guy is the real deal.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

They both think that the #7 for MCW and Thad Young makes a bunch of sense for both sides (both think Exum goes #3).

that's just silly. Sure it makes sense for LAL, but makes no sense at all for the Sixers

It all depends on how good you think MCW is. If he's not a star, it's a great deal.

This is the best draft in a decade, and there's a really good chance the 7th best player turns out to be better than MCW. Plus they'll be able to keep him a year longer.

So the sixers would have the 3, 7 and 10 in this scenario?

 

[Todem]

Personally I'm just tired of all the talk about Heat basketball, even though I live near West Palm, and the other 3 teams in the area all stink. So I guess I'll have to give up sports radio for now.

I turned it off right when the Finals were over.

I can't take it. The only show I actually really enjoy now is The Big O on 640. At least he is a sports fan who just say's it like it is. He makes no bones about being some expert. He is just a plain old die hard Miami fan (except for the Marlins as he hates Luria) who gives objective takes on the local teams.

Most sports talk radio is pure crap. And that includes national shows as well. All crap. Except for Ferrel!!!! Love that freak. He is actually a fun guy too. Went to a bunch of Marlins games with him back in 2000 and 2001 when no one...I mean no one was at the park. Watched those young cat's develop into the 2003 team.

 

[Celph Titled]

Someone is going to get the steal of the draft in Julius Randle... I get it, he has a foot injury, but this guy is the real deal.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Someone is going to get the steal of the draft in Julius Randle... I get it, he has a foot injury, but this guy is the real deal.

now that's realer than Real Deal Holyfield

 

[pollardsvision]

They both think that the #7 for MCW and Thad Young makes a bunch of sense for both sides (both think Exum goes #3).

that's just silly. Sure it makes sense for LAL, but makes no sense at all for the Sixers

It all depends on how good you think MCW is. If he's not a star, it's a great deal.This is the best draft in a decade, and there's a really good chance the 7th best player turns out to be better than MCW. Plus they'll be able to keep him a year longer.

So the sixers would have the 3, 7 and 10 in this scenario?

Yes.

I'm assuming you'd hang up your MCW jersey for that, right?

 

[GroveDiesel]

I heard this in Philly on sports talk radio but I need someone to confirm. I heard Philly owns MIA 1st rounder in 2015, but it goes to the Celtics unless it's a lottery pick. So if everyone opts out and the team is in the lottery, the Sixers will most likely have two lottery picks again. Any truth to this?

I don't think that's correct. Miami had Philly's 2015 1st rounder unless it is in the lottery then it becomes 2 second round picks. Miami traded that pick to Boston, so it is Boston that owns Philly's first rounder next year which is lottery protected. 96% sure I'm right about that.

Correct. Boston has Philly's pick (via Miami). Cleveland has Miami's pick.

2015 first round draft pick from Philadelphia

Philadelphia's 2015 1st round pick to Boston (via Miami) protected for selections 1-14; if Philadelphia has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Boston by 2015, then Philadelphia will instead convey its 2015 2nd round pick and 2016 2nd round pick to Boston [Miami-Philadelphia, 6/28/2012 and then Boston-Golden State-Miami, 1/15/2014]

2015 first round draft pick from Miami

Miami's 1st round pick to Cleveland protected for selections 1-10 in 2015 or 1-10 in 2016 or unprotected in 2017 [Cleveland-Miami, 7/9/2010]

So if James goes to Cleveland and the Cavs are great and Miami sucks, that would be insult to injury as the Heat would then owe a high pick to a winning Cavs team. Oof. Of course they could be bad enough that the Cavs don't see that pick until 2017.

 

[sporthenry]

They both think that the #7 for MCW and Thad Young makes a bunch of sense for both sides (both think Exum goes #3).

that's just silly. Sure it makes sense for LAL, but makes no sense at all for the Sixers

Sure it does. Young isn't part of the future in Philly and he could very well walk after this season. If you think you can get a better player than MCW at #3, you do it. And with the talent in this draft, getting someone better than MCW shouldn't be hard.

As good as MCW was this year, he wasn't great and had tons of holes in his game. ROY is nice but some of that was just his absurd usage. Sure, some of this will be alleviated by a better supporting cast but his shooting/turnovers were both red flags in college. He can get better but if you think Exum is better, you might as well do it. MCW right now would probably go around 5th-7th even after last year. He probably is at the height of his value from that standpoint.

Him and Young is probably a bit steep for the 7th pick and not sure what they do with 3, 7 and 10. They could use it to move up to #1 but at that point, draft Wiggins.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

They both think that the #7 for MCW and Thad Young makes a bunch of sense for both sides (both think Exum goes #3).

that's just silly. Sure it makes sense for LAL, but makes no sense at all for the Sixers

It all depends on how good you think MCW is. If he's not a star, it's a great deal.This is the best draft in a decade, and there's a really good chance the 7th best player turns out to be better than MCW. Plus they'll be able to keep him a year longer.

So the sixers would have the 3, 7 and 10 in this scenario?

Yes.

I'm assuming you'd hang up your MCW jersey for that, right?

Exum, Embiid, Stauskas (or if somehow Randle falls)

Yes.

 

[Max Power]

Bulls offering Gibson, Snell, #16, and #19 for Love.

Bulls are trying hard to unload Snell/16/19. As well as Gibson (for cap reasons only) and Boozer.

There are also rumors of Boozer/Snell/16/19 for Affalo/Jameer Nelson

and Gibson/16/19 for #8 pick from Sac

I'd love for the Bulls to hold on to #16 and hopefully grab Saric.

 

[Bobcat10]

Windhorst also said Lebron to Miami for 1 year and a player option is very likely. I'm assuming that means they all opt out, and if Wade doesn't he's gone.

That makes alot of sense, Lebron isn't signing a long term deal with Miami this summer (I don't think Heat fan is saying this in here, but you never know), but he certainly might go back for one and see what happens.

a 1 year contract with player option doesn't make sense if LeBron's goal was to clear up cap space. That is essentially what he had remaining on the current contract. 2 years at 42.5. Not sure I see LeBron playing for less than 20M a year.

It makes sense if it saves the team money over the next year or two. Nobody knows what he's willing to do.

His contract was already well below market value. I can't see him signing for much less. Or leaving enough on the table that brings in quality free agents.

And what does this say to Bosh and Wade? Its not a wise move for either of them to take less money over the next two years with no long term contract in place.

Todem will fill in all the pieces for you.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Someone is going to get the steal of the draft in Julius Randle... I get it, he has a foot injury, but this guy is the real deal.

The earliest I am seeing him projected is 6-7...

 

[fantasycurse42]

They both think that the #7 for MCW and Thad Young makes a bunch of sense for both sides (both think Exum goes #3).

that's just silly. Sure it makes sense for LAL, but makes no sense at all for the Sixers

It all depends on how good you think MCW is. If he's not a star, it's a great deal.This is the best draft in a decade, and there's a really good chance the 7th best player turns out to be better than MCW. Plus they'll be able to keep him a year longer.

So the sixers would have the 3, 7 and 10 in this scenario?

Yes.

I'm assuming you'd hang up your MCW jersey for that, right?

Exum, Embiid, Stauskas (or if somehow Randle falls)

Yes.

Randle will be there at 7, at least it is sorta looking like that. At 7, I think that is the steal of this draft... I take him over Embiid without thinking twice too... The risk is too high for my blood with Embiid.

 

[sporthenry]

They both think that the #7 for MCW and Thad Young makes a bunch of sense for both sides (both think Exum goes #3).

that's just silly. Sure it makes sense for LAL, but makes no sense at all for the Sixers

It all depends on how good you think MCW is. If he's not a star, it's a great deal.This is the best draft in a decade, and there's a really good chance the 7th best player turns out to be better than MCW. Plus they'll be able to keep him a year longer.

So the sixers would have the 3, 7 and 10 in this scenario?

Yes.

I'm assuming you'd hang up your MCW jersey for that, right?

Exum, Embiid, Stauskas (or if somehow Randle falls)

Yes.

Randle will be there at 7, at least it is sorta looking like that. At 7, I think that is the steal of this draft... I take him over Embiid without thinking twice too... The risk is too high for my blood with Embiid.

That doesn't really make a compelling case for SOD. If anything, with what you just said, Embiid would be the SOD if he stays healthy.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

As good as MCW was this year, he wasn't great and had tons of holes in his game. ROY is nice but some of that was just his absurd usage. Sure, some of this will be alleviated by a better supporting cast but his shooting/turnovers were both red flags in college. He can get better but if you think Exum is better, you might as well do it. MCW right now would probably go around 5th-7th even after last year. He probably is at the height of his value from that standpoint.

Him and Young is probably a bit steep for the 7th pick and not sure what they do with 3, 7 and 10. They could use it to move up to #1 but at that point, draft Wiggins.

I think you have to forget about the Young part. He is nothing more than fodder. A decent lower tier starting PF; nothing more. He shouldn't move the needle a single bit with regards to this trade.

Winning the ROY this year is like being the tallest midget. Nice to get the hardware but doesn't mean anything. I'd say gamble that you get someone better at 7.

 

[Gatorman]

There are 3 ways this plays out, and all of them start with Lebron Opting out:

1) Lebron, Wade, and Bosh have already decided to stay together. They are all likely to take a cut (or extend out with player options) to be able to sing some more bodies to keep their run going.

2) The Heatles are breaking up. The 4 year experiment is over and 4 time champs of the east and 2 NBA titles is what riley has to show for it. Not bad. Bosh stays and wade does too and Riley builds a team to take on Lebron in the Playoffs.

3) Somewhere in between.

As a heat fan I want lebron to stay, but if he moves on, I wish him well and hope he finds success (but I will be rooting for the heat when they play him). Thanks for 4 great years of Ball.

 

[Gr00vus]

As good as MCW was this year, he wasn't great and had tons of holes in his game. ROY is nice but some of that was just his absurd usage. Sure, some of this will be alleviated by a better supporting cast but his shooting/turnovers were both red flags in college. He can get better but if you think Exum is better, you might as well do it. MCW right now would probably go around 5th-7th even after last year. He probably is at the height of his value from that standpoint.

Him and Young is probably a bit steep for the 7th pick and not sure what they do with 3, 7 and 10. They could use it to move up to #1 but at that point, draft Wiggins.

I think you have to forget about the Young part. He is nothing more than fodder. A decent lower tier starting PF; nothing more. He shouldn't move the needle a single bit with regards to this trade.

Winning the ROY this year is like being the tallest midget. Nice to get the hardware but doesn't mean anything. I'd say gamble that you get someone better at 7.

So it would be a bad deal for the Lakers then.

 

[fantasycurse42]

They both think that the #7 for MCW and Thad Young makes a bunch of sense for both sides (both think Exum goes #3).

that's just silly. Sure it makes sense for LAL, but makes no sense at all for the Sixers

It all depends on how good you think MCW is. If he's not a star, it's a great deal.This is the best draft in a decade, and there's a really good chance the 7th best player turns out to be better than MCW. Plus they'll be able to keep him a year longer.

So the sixers would have the 3, 7 and 10 in this scenario?

Yes.

I'm assuming you'd hang up your MCW jersey for that, right?

Exum, Embiid, Stauskas (or if somehow Randle falls)

Yes.

Randle will be there at 7, at least it is sorta looking like that. At 7, I think that is the steal of this draft... I take him over Embiid without thinking twice too... The risk is too high for my blood with Embiid.

That doesn't really make a compelling case for SOD. If anything, with what you just said, Embiid would be the SOD if he stays healthy.

At 7, getting possibly the best talent in the draft... I think that would be a steal. I like him much better than Wiggins, but prob bc I can't shake that Stanford performance out of my head.

 

[fantasycurse42]

2) The Heatles are breaking up. The 4 year experiment is over and 4 time champs of the east and 2 NBA titles is what riley has to show for it. Not bad. Bosh stays and wade does too and Riley builds a team to take on Lebron in the Playoffs.

shtick right? has to be...

 

[Cliff Clavin]

As good as MCW was this year, he wasn't great and had tons of holes in his game. ROY is nice but some of that was just his absurd usage. Sure, some of this will be alleviated by a better supporting cast but his shooting/turnovers were both red flags in college. He can get better but if you think Exum is better, you might as well do it. MCW right now would probably go around 5th-7th even after last year. He probably is at the height of his value from that standpoint.

Him and Young is probably a bit steep for the 7th pick and not sure what they do with 3, 7 and 10. They could use it to move up to #1 but at that point, draft Wiggins.

I think you have to forget about the Young part. He is nothing more than fodder. A decent lower tier starting PF; nothing more. He shouldn't move the needle a single bit with regards to this trade.

Winning the ROY this year is like being the tallest midget. Nice to get the hardware but doesn't mean anything. I'd say gamble that you get someone better at 7.

So it would be a bad deal for the Lakers then.

I think so but it depends what their plans are. If they want to clear cap space, you use that pick to ditch Nash and get a future 1st in return. If they build for the future (yeah, right...) it doesn't make any sense. If they want to add a bit of talent now and have a bit for the future I guess it kind of works but MCW and Young seems to be a pretty low return for #7.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I think Riley knew in that press conference this was going to happen. Riley threw the gauntlet down for others to step up their campaigning. Like Riley said, James is throwing in the towel in Miami and walking away. Money? No. Loyalty? No. Opportunistic? Yes. Cowardice? Yes.

in 20 years no one will care if he was loyal to miami, they'll care if he wins rings

Exactly.

I think Riley knew in that press conference this was going to happen. Riley threw the gauntlet down for others to step up their campaigning. Like Riley said, James is throwing in the towel in Miami and walking away. Money? No. Loyalty? No. Opportunistic? Yes. Cowardice? Yes.

How is it cowardice? I don't get why people say this.

Because some people are really stupid.

 

[sporthenry]

As good as MCW was this year, he wasn't great and had tons of holes in his game. ROY is nice but some of that was just his absurd usage. Sure, some of this will be alleviated by a better supporting cast but his shooting/turnovers were both red flags in college. He can get better but if you think Exum is better, you might as well do it. MCW right now would probably go around 5th-7th even after last year. He probably is at the height of his value from that standpoint.

Him and Young is probably a bit steep for the 7th pick and not sure what they do with 3, 7 and 10. They could use it to move up to #1 but at that point, draft Wiggins.

I think you have to forget about the Young part. He is nothing more than fodder. A decent lower tier starting PF; nothing more. He shouldn't move the needle a single bit with regards to this trade.

Winning the ROY this year is like being the tallest midget. Nice to get the hardware but doesn't mean anything. I'd say gamble that you get someone better at 7.

Young definitely moves the needle quite a bit. A lower tier staring PF is better than what you'd get once you fall out of the lottery. Of course his contract won't be rookie friendly. But if you think the Lakers can get more than that for 7, have at it.

 

[Todem]

There are 3 ways this plays out, and all of them start with Lebron Opting out:

1) Lebron, Wade, and Bosh have already decided to stay together. They are all likely to take a cut (or extend out with player options) to be able to sing some more bodies to keep their run going.

2) The Heatles are breaking up. The 4 year experiment is over and 4 time champs of the east and 2 NBA titles is what riley has to show for it. Not bad. Bosh stays and wade does too and Riley builds a team to take on Lebron in the Playoffs.

3) Somewhere in between.

As a heat fan I want lebron to stay, but if he moves on, I wish him well and hope he finds success (but I will be rooting for the heat when they play him). Thanks for 4 great years of Ball.

Yeah Exactly Gator. It's been an awesome 4 years. And we all (true Heat fans) hope we can keep having the best player in the NBA on our team. But if he moves on?

God bless him. We will root extra hard against him when we play whatever team lands him.

But I think we know we are firmly in the drivers seat and have a great chance at keeping this thing going. I would actually be surprised if it goes any other way. Riley has been overlooking this and knew about so many possible outcomes the day they signed the deals. A great chess player anticipates 5-6 moves ahead. Riley is a master player in this game of the NBA front office. His moves were already thought out. Now it's a matter of the front office's execution of the proposed moves for the immediate future as well as 3-4 years from now. Lebron is firmly the centerpiece of all of it. And Pat I am sure has laid out all his cards again to Lebron and giving him assurances of giving him all the tools he can for chances at more titles.

People are under estimating how great Riley is and also so many on the outside looking in don't truly understand the dynamics of this franchise and how tight nit they really are from the ticket takers to the top. But go ahead...laugh it up, make fun of our little sayings down here (Heater for life) all you want. It's nice to have a great team for gee I don't know since 1995/96 for the most part and being able to know pretty much no matter what, we will compete just about every single year. Screw the haters. I love my Miami Heat. Regardless of what happens out of this. I am a Heat fan for life.

Yeah!!!

Proceed to flame me trolls...enjoy every minute of it. Hell enjoy it even after Lebron signs his extension here. Then keep it coming as he tries to lead this team to more titles.

Go Heat!!!

 

[Abraham]

I'm mostly concerned about Curly having a third favorite team to cheer for if LBJ signs somewhere else.

WebRep

 

[Sammy3469]

There are 3 ways this plays out, and all of them start with Lebron Opting out:

1) Lebron, Wade, and Bosh have already decided to stay together. They are all likely to take a cut (or extend out with player options) to be able to sing some more bodies to keep their run going.

2) The Heatles are breaking up. The 4 year experiment is over and 4 time champs of the east and 2 NBA titles is what riley has to show for it. Not bad. Bosh stays and wade does too and Riley builds a team to take on Lebron in the Playoffs.

3) Somewhere in between.

As a heat fan I want lebron to stay, but if he moves on, I wish him well and hope he finds success (but I will be rooting for the heat when they play him). Thanks for 4 great years of Ball.

Yeah Exactly Gator. It's been an awesome 4 years. And we all (true Heat fans) hope we can keep having the best player in the NBA on our team. But if he moves on?

God bless him. We will root extra hard against him when we play whatever team lands him.

But I think we know we are firmly in the drivers seat and have a great chance at keeping this thing going. I would actually be surprised if it goes any other way. Riley has been overlooking this and knew about so many possible outcomes the day they signed the deals. A great chess player anticipates 5-6 moves ahead. Riley is a master player in this game of the NBA front office. His moves were already thought out. Now it's a matter of the front office's execution of the proposed moves for the immediate future as well as 3-4 years from now. Lebron is firmly the centerpiece of all of it. And Pat I am sure has laid out all his cards again to Lebron and giving him assurances of giving him all the tools he can for chances at more titles.

People are under estimating how great Riley is and also so many on the outside looking in don't truly understand the dynamics of this franchise and how tight nit they really are from the ticket takers to the top. But go ahead...laugh it up, make fun of our little sayings down here (Heater for life) all you want. It's nice to have a great team for gee I don't know since 1995/96 for the most part and being able to know pretty much no matter what, we will compete just about every single year. Screw the haters. I love my Miami Heat. Regardless of what happens out of this. I am a Heat fan for life.

Yeah!!!

Proceed to flame me trolls...enjoy every minute of it. Hell enjoy it even after Lebron signs his extension here. Then keep it coming as he tries to lead this team to more titles.

Go Heat!!!

Now that's a HOT SPORTS TAKE!

 

[sporthenry]

At 7, getting possibly the best talent in the draft... I think that would be a steal. I like him much better than Wiggins, but prob bc I can't shake that Stanford performance out of my head.

You could say that about Embiid or even probably a number of those PF's. They could possibly be the best talent. Randle might fall a bit b/c of his foot but the concerns about his game are legit. You seem to put a bit too much into dominating college performances.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

They both think that the #7 for MCW and Thad Young makes a bunch of sense for both sides (both think Exum goes #3).

that's just silly. Sure it makes sense for LAL, but makes no sense at all for the Sixers

It all depends on how good you think MCW is. If he's not a star, it's a great deal.This is the best draft in a decade, and there's a really good chance the 7th best player turns out to be better than MCW. Plus they'll be able to keep him a year longer.

So the sixers would have the 3, 7 and 10 in this scenario?

Yes.

I'm assuming you'd hang up your MCW jersey for that, right?

Exum, Embiid, Stauskas (or if somehow Randle falls)

Yes.

Randle will be there at 7, at least it is sorta looking like that. At 7, I think that is the steal of this draft... I take him over Embiid without thinking twice too... The risk is too high for my blood with Embiid.

If I only had 1 pick, I would probably agree, but if I have 3 top 10 picks, I have mitigated a lot of risk already and would definitely use the 7 on Embiid if I had to.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Young definitely moves the needle quite a bit. A lower tier staring PF is better than what you'd get once you fall out of the lottery. Of course his contract won't be rookie friendly. But if you think the Lakers can get more than that for 7, have at it.

Lower tier PFs are easily replaced at a cheaper price.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

As good as MCW was this year, he wasn't great and had tons of holes in his game. ROY is nice but some of that was just his absurd usage. Sure, some of this will be alleviated by a better supporting cast but his shooting/turnovers were both red flags in college. He can get better but if you think Exum is better, you might as well do it. MCW right now would probably go around 5th-7th even after last year. He probably is at the height of his value from that standpoint.

Him and Young is probably a bit steep for the 7th pick and not sure what they do with 3, 7 and 10. They could use it to move up to #1 but at that point, draft Wiggins.

I think you have to forget about the Young part. He is nothing more than fodder. A decent lower tier starting PF; nothing more. He shouldn't move the needle a single bit with regards to this trade.

Winning the ROY this year is like being the tallest midget. Nice to get the hardware but doesn't mean anything. I'd say gamble that you get someone better at 7.

Young definitely moves the needle quite a bit. A lower tier staring PF is better than what you'd get once you fall out of the lottery. Of course his contract won't be rookie friendly. But if you think the Lakers can get more than that for 7, have at it.

Young is just a guy. He is a competent player and I think that any team would be happy to have him, but he is nowhere close to a difference maker.

If Jrue Holiday can get 2 1sts, I don't think that the ROY (albeit in a weak class) and Young is so crazy.

 

[Todem]

Brian Windhorst....you fat stupid moron.....just please..go away.

Seriously he is the worst of the worst. Pure unadulterated garbage coming out of his mouth. No sources, no credibility.

Nada.

Oh wait that is ESPN in a nutshell.

 

[Sammy3469]

Brian Windhorst....you fat stupid moron.....just please..go away.

Seriously he is the worst of the worst. Pure unadulterated garbage coming out of his mouth. No sources, no credibility.

Nada.

Oh wait that is ESPN in a nutshell.

You're doing it wrong!

 

[modogg]

They both think that the #7 for MCW and Thad Young makes a bunch of sense for both sides (both think Exum goes #3).

that's just silly. Sure it makes sense for LAL, but makes no sense at all for the Sixers

It all depends on how good you think MCW is. If he's not a star, it's a great deal.This is the best draft in a decade, and there's a really good chance the 7th best player turns out to be better than MCW. Plus they'll be able to keep him a year longer.

So the sixers would have the 3, 7 and 10 in this scenario?

Yes.

I'm assuming you'd hang up your MCW jersey for that, right?

I'd rather give #3 and Thad for the #1 and take Wiggins. Everything else is gravy. Sixers have 5 2nd round picks so they can mix and match how they want

 

[pollardsvision]

There are 3 ways this plays out, and all of them start with Lebron Opting out:

1) Lebron, Wade, and Bosh have already decided to stay together. They are all likely to take a cut (or extend out with player options) to be able to sing some more bodies to keep their run going.

2) The Heatles are breaking up. The 4 year experiment is over and 4 time champs of the east and 2 NBA titles is what riley has to show for it. Not bad. Bosh stays and wade does too and Riley builds a team to take on Lebron in the Playoffs.

3) Somewhere in between.

As a heat fan I want lebron to stay, but if he moves on, I wish him well and hope he finds success (but I will be rooting for the heat when they play him). Thanks for 4 great years of Ball.

Yeah Exactly Gator. It's been an awesome 4 years. And we all (true Heat fans) hope we can keep having the best player in the NBA on our team. But if he moves on?God bless him. We will root extra hard against him when we play whatever team lands him.

But I think we know we are firmly in the drivers seat and have a great chance at keeping this thing going. I would actually be surprised if it goes any other way. Riley has been overlooking this and knew about so many possible outcomes the day they signed the deals. A great chess player anticipates 5-6 moves ahead. Riley is a master player in this game of the NBA front office. His moves were already thought out. Now it's a matter of the front office's execution of the proposed moves for the immediate future as well as 3-4 years from now. Lebron is firmly the centerpiece of all of it. And Pat I am sure has laid out all his cards again to Lebron and giving him assurances of giving him all the tools he can for chances at more titles.

People are under estimating how great Riley is and also so many on the outside looking in don't truly understand the dynamics of this franchise and how tight nit they really are from the ticket takers to the top. But go ahead...laugh it up, make fun of our little sayings down here (Heater for life) all you want. It's nice to have a great team for gee I don't know since 1995/96 for the most part and being able to know pretty much no matter what, we will compete just about every single year. Screw the haters. I love my Miami Heat. Regardless of what happens out of this. I am a Heat fan for life.

Yeah!!!

Proceed to flame me trolls...enjoy every minute of it. Hell enjoy it even after Lebron signs his extension here. Then keep it coming as he tries to lead this team to more titles.

Go Heat!!!

I appreciate the passion.

What's the biggest haircut you think Wade would possibly take? Seems like he's worth about $10 mill/year. That's probably generous. Would he actually take less than LeBron and Bosh? He does about half the work. Hell, he played fewer minutes than 38 YO Ray Allen last year.

It's really hard to envision LeBron thinking this is his best option this year if Wade won't make a Tim Duncan level pay cut.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

They both think that the #7 for MCW and Thad Young makes a bunch of sense for both sides (both think Exum goes #3).

that's just silly. Sure it makes sense for LAL, but makes no sense at all for the Sixers

It all depends on how good you think MCW is. If he's not a star, it's a great deal.This is the best draft in a decade, and there's a really good chance the 7th best player turns out to be better than MCW. Plus they'll be able to keep him a year longer.

So the sixers would have the 3, 7 and 10 in this scenario?

Yes.

I'm assuming you'd hang up your MCW jersey for that, right?

I'd rather give #3 and Thad for the #1 and take Wiggins. Everything else is gravy. Sixers have 5 2nd round picks so they can mix and match how they want

why the #### would cleveland do that?