*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (3 Viewers)

[mr. furley]

Kobe is not a good defender, but he tries and from time to time snags a steal or pushes the offense a hair out of sync because he was able to stay in front of his man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Defensive_Team

Tim Duncan holds the record for the most total selections with 14.[3] Kevin Garnett, and Kobe Bryant follow with twelve total honors each, and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar has eleven total selections. Michael Jordan, Gary Payton, Garnett, and Bryant share the record for most NBA All-Defensive first team selections with nine. Scottie Pippen, Bobby Jones, and Duncan made the first team eight times each. Walt Frazier and Dennis Rodman made the All-Defensive first team seven times.[3]

 

[mr. furley]

Jeff Adrien to the Rockets.

god i hate the Bucks

 

[mr. furley]

hey, whoa, wha


metoo, sporthenry, Frostillicus, baymen, Spartans Rule, GoBirds, Moe., Zaxxon, scoobus, NutterButter, TheFly06, Instinctive, Abraham, BrothaMan, Whatevaman15

 

[MAC_32]

Just kidding. I was referring to the "By God the T-Wolves will give us Love on our terms because they have no other option" sort of sentiments.

Odd to see fans of a franchise that's constantly being kicked in the nuts thinking they'll be gifted a Top 15 player because they have all the leverage. That's the sort of thing Laker fans are supposed to expect/demand.

And I haven't heard much news on BOS actually pursuing Love lately, but there were rumors a while back before the GSW stuff started flying around.

Yeah, of course Minn is going to take the best offer and that definitely might not be the Cavs without Wiggins. My disagreement is with the 'Wolves fans who seem to think their going to get Love's actual value as a player. Orlando got a collection of decent stuff for Howard, but they didn't really get what he's worth.

 

[Todem]

Btw it was an outright anomoly Mike Miller played in 70 plus games last year. Because every year of his Heat tenure this guy looked like he could not walk.

I have a feeling The Cavs get that Mike Miller. His back is held together by scotch tape. Lebron was supposedly a little upset about Micky not paying 17MM for a 20 minute a game guy who literally did not play much for us. And the Heat still paid 13 plus in tax last season.

 

[Paulymaggs]

The wolves fans in here and their Love trade proposals are some of the most delusional posts I've seen yet in this thread.

Did Datonn give all of you guys some of the crack he's using?

 

[Instinctive]

Not to get off topic or anything, but the 3/$25 million deal Dirk signed illustrates in yet another way why we love him in Dallas. Favorite player ever.

 

[Frostillicus]

The wolves fans in here and their Love trade proposals are some of the most delusional posts I've seen yet in this thread.

Did Datonn give all of you guys some of the crack he's using?

It's what Saunders is asking for. It's what we're hoping they'll get. How is that so delusional?

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

I guess it's not surprising, but it's like some people have never seen Love play a single minute.

 

[MAC_32]

The wolves fans in here and their Love trade proposals are some of the most delusional posts I've seen yet in this thread.

Did Datonn give all of you guys some of the crack he's using?

It's what Saunders is asking for. It's what we're hoping they'll get. How is that so delusional?

it is not a problem until it becomes obvious it won't be offered. If the wolves don't adjust THEN it will be a problem.

 

[MAC_32]

I guess it's not surprising, but it's like some people have never seen Love play a single minute.

not the point.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

I guess it's not surprising, but it's like some people have never seen Love play a single minute.

not the point.

Lol, ok

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Just realized I used "their" where I should have used "they're". Surprised Cliff let that slide.

 

[the moops]

Kris Humphries got paaaaaaaaid.

3/13

 

[Frostillicus]

The wolves fans in here and their Love trade proposals are some of the most delusional posts I've seen yet in this thread.

Did Datonn give all of you guys some of the crack he's using?

It's what Saunders is asking for. It's what we're hoping they'll get. How is that so delusional?

it is not a problem until it becomes obvious it won't be offered. If the wolves don't adjust THEN it will be a problem.

If the Wolves are looking like a possible playoff team I'd rather them ride out the season with Love than take a shoddy package back. If the season's in the tank then I guess you see what you can get.

 

[pollardsvision]

Hey, would Boozer care about coming off the bench for 18 minutes a game?

It wouldn't be good to have him on the court with Al very often, but off the bench sharing time with the kids could be nice.

Probably a good way to motivate the kids too. Work harder or keep losing minutes to that old *******.

 

[MAC_32]

The wolves fans in here and their Love trade proposals are some of the most delusional posts I've seen yet in this thread.

Did Datonn give all of you guys some of the crack he's using?

It's what Saunders is asking for. It's what we're hoping they'll get. How is that so delusional?

it is not a problem until it becomes obvious it won't be offered. If the wolves don't adjust THEN it will be a problem.

If the Wolves are looking like a possible playoff team I'd rather them ride out the season with Love than take a shoddy package back. If the season's in the tank then I guess you see what you can get.

do you think you have a shot at the title?

 

[got_nugs]

Not to get off topic or anything, but the 3/$25 million deal Dirk signed illustrates in yet another way why we love him in Dallas. Favorite player ever.

I kinda removed 2010 from my memory and now I root for him too as a fan of the game. "Take that with you!"

 

[Frostillicus]

The wolves fans in here and their Love trade proposals are some of the most delusional posts I've seen yet in this thread.

Did Datonn give all of you guys some of the crack he's using?

It's what Saunders is asking for. It's what we're hoping they'll get. How is that so delusional?

it is not a problem until it becomes obvious it won't be offered. If the wolves don't adjust THEN it will be a problem.

If the Wolves are looking like a possible playoff team I'd rather them ride out the season with Love than take a shoddy package back. If the season's in the tank then I guess you see what you can get.

do you think you have a shot at the title?

No, but this team hasn't seen the playoffs in 10 years, and Dion Waiters and Tristan Thompson aren't getting them to the title either.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

I guess it's not surprising, but it's like some people have never seen Love play a single minute.

not the point.

LeBron has probably already hit his peak. He may sustain that for another couple years, but don't you think that this year is the best year for them to win the championship? Maybe next. Don't you think that Love gives them a better chance to win this year and/or next than Wiggins? Or are you assuming that Love won't re-sign?

Things change all the time in the NBA. Ask Daryl Morey. You can try to keep setting yourself up to be ready for the future and/or flexible, but at some point you want to win, right?

I think that it is certainly a close call and I understand your side, but to me, you want to maximize what you can get from LeBron.

 

[pollardsvision]

The wolves fans in here and their Love trade proposals are some of the most delusional posts I've seen yet in this thread.

Did Datonn give all of you guys some of the crack he's using?

It's what Saunders is asking for. It's what we're hoping they'll get. How is that so delusional?

it is not a problem until it becomes obvious it won't be offered. If the wolves don't adjust THEN it will be a problem.

Here's one option. Tell me if it sounds familiar...

-Play out the last season and hope like hell something happens to make him want to stay

-When that doesn't happen, get a couple crappy picks in a S&T

-Suck like hell for years, collecting many Top 5 draft picks.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Isn't this mac32 dude the guy that didn't even want Lebron?

 

[MAC_32]

The wolves fans in here and their Love trade proposals are some of the most delusional posts I've seen yet in this thread.

Did Datonn give all of you guys some of the crack he's using?

It's what Saunders is asking for. It's what we're hoping they'll get. How is that so delusional?

it is not a problem until it becomes obvious it won't be offered. If the wolves don't adjust THEN it will be a problem.

If the Wolves are looking like a possible playoff team I'd rather them ride out the season with Love than take a shoddy package back. If the season's in the tank then I guess you see what you can get.

do you think you have a shot at the title?

No, but this team hasn't seen the playoffs in 10 years, and Dion Waiters and Tristan Thompson aren't getting them to the title either.

...and future ones. You need young assets and the best way to do that is to get them for Love. Team will be set back if they let Love walk in hopes if just getting to the playoffs.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Hey, would Boozer care about coming off the bench for 18 minutes a game?

It wouldn't be good to have him on the court with Al very often, but off the bench sharing time with the kids could be nice.

Probably a good way to motivate the kids too. Work harder or keep losing minutes to that old *******.

I'm sure getting amnestied is a humbling experience. For all his faults, Boozer is normally a pretty good team player when it comes to things like that. I think he'd be OK.

 

[MAC_32]

Isn't this mac32 dude the guy that didn't even want Lebron?

not a Cavs fan. Not a LeBron fan. Fascinated by the situation though. It's good for the city though...that's about it.I won't believe LeBron has changed until he is in a tough spot again, see how he reacts. He didn't behave all that differently in Miami than he did towards the end here. He shows he has changed...and then I might too.

 

[Frostillicus]

The wolves fans in here and their Love trade proposals are some of the most delusional posts I've seen yet in this thread.

Did Datonn give all of you guys some of the crack he's using?

It's what Saunders is asking for. It's what we're hoping they'll get. How is that so delusional?

it is not a problem until it becomes obvious it won't be offered. If the wolves don't adjust THEN it will be a problem.

If the Wolves are looking like a possible playoff team I'd rather them ride out the season with Love than take a shoddy package back. If the season's in the tank then I guess you see what you can get.

do you think you have a shot at the title?

No, but this team hasn't seen the playoffs in 10 years, and Dion Waiters and Tristan Thompson aren't getting them to the title either.

...and future ones. You need young assets and the best way to do that is to get them for Love. Team will be set back if they let Love walk in hopes if just getting to the playoffs.

I'd rather hope something changes his mind, sign and trade, or bottom out completely than taking a worthless offer midseason if the Wolves look like a playoff team.

 

[got_nugs]

I do not understand the logic behind the Cavs not giving up Wiggins right now for Love if that is available. The Cavs lucked into that #1 pick, it's like getting Love for free. I wouldn't want to risk Love choosing to go back to his home state of California by being selfish about a piece that was gifted to you in the 1st place.

Cliff what's your thought on this?

 

[MAC_32]

I guess it's not surprising, but it's like some people have never seen Love play a single minute.

not the point.

LeBron has probably already hit his peak. He may sustain that for another couple years, but don't you think that this year is the best year for them to win the championship? Maybe next. Don't you think that Love gives them a better chance to win this year and/or next than Wiggins? Or are you assuming that Love won't re-sign?

Things change all the time in the NBA. Ask Daryl Morey. You can try to keep setting yourself up to be ready for the future and/or flexible, but at some point you want to win, right?

I think that it is certainly a close call and I understand your side, but to me, you want to maximize what you can get from LeBron.

even with Love this team isn't winning this year, takes time to gel. Earliest would be 2015.

 

[Gopher State]

The wolves fans in here and their Love trade proposals are some of the most delusional posts I've seen yet in this thread.

Did Datonn give all of you guys some of the crack he's using?

The delusional posts by cav fans thinking their: 1 going to trade for Love without giving up Wiggins, not going to happen, 2. to think they can win a championship without the leadership and talent of Love. The T wolves will trade Love, and no the Cavs will not get him next year in free agency, as any trade will include an extension for Love. The cavs could be a very special team with Love, without him just a good team

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Isn't this mac32 dude the guy that didn't even want Lebron?

not a Cavs fan. Not a LeBron fan. Fascinated by the situation though. It's good for the city though...that's about it.I won't believe LeBron has changed until he is in a tough spot again, see how he reacts. He didn't behave all that differently in Miami than he did towards the end here. He shows he has changed...and then I might too.

Yet you're some sort of trade expert. Huh.

 

[got_nugs]

I guess it's not surprising, but it's like some people have never seen Love play a single minute.

not the point.

LeBron has probably already hit his peak. He may sustain that for another couple years, but don't you think that this year is the best year for them to win the championship? Maybe next. Don't you think that Love gives them a better chance to win this year and/or next than Wiggins? Or are you assuming that Love won't re-sign?

Things change all the time in the NBA. Ask Daryl Morey. You can try to keep setting yourself up to be ready for the future and/or flexible, but at some point you want to win, right?

I think that it is certainly a close call and I understand your side, but to me, you want to maximize what you can get from LeBron.

 

[MAC_32]

The wolves fans in here and their Love trade proposals are some of the most delusional posts I've seen yet in this thread.

Did Datonn give all of you guys some of the crack he's using?

It's what Saunders is asking for. It's what we're hoping they'll get. How is that so delusional?

it is not a problem until it becomes obvious it won't be offered. If the wolves don't adjust THEN it will be a problem.

Here's one option. Tell me if it sounds familiar...

-Play out the last season and hope like hell something happens to make him want to stay

-When that doesn't happen, get a couple crappy picks in a S&T

-Suck like hell for years, collecting many Top 5 draft picks.

very familiar, there's many reasons the old Cavs management was shown the door too.

 

[Juxtatarot]

I do not understand the logic behind the Cavs not giving up Wiggins right now for Love if that is available. The Cavs lucked into that #1 pick, it's like getting Love for free. I wouldn't want to risk Love choosing to go back to his home state of California by being selfish about a piece that was gifted to you in the 1st place.

Cliff what's your thought on this?

I don't see the pick being "gifted" as relevant.

 

[pollardsvision]

Hey, would Boozer care about coming off the bench for 18 minutes a game?

It wouldn't be good to have him on the court with Al very often, but off the bench sharing time with the kids could be nice.

Probably a good way to motivate the kids too. Work harder or keep losing minutes to that old *******.

I'm sure getting amnestied is a humbling experience. For all his faults, Boozer is normally a pretty good team player when it comes to things like that. I think he'd be OK.

I think I'd like the Hornets to make a real offer. Having either Al or Boozer on the court for 48 minutes every game (when both are healthy) with a young, offensively challenged team is an enticing option. Short term move with no long term cost.

Surely, Vonleh and Zeller could learn a thing or two from the 6'9" dude that figured out a way to be a 17/10 guy on many Playoff teams

 

[MAC_32]

Isn't this mac32 dude the guy that didn't even want Lebron?

not a Cavs fan. Not a LeBron fan. Fascinated by the situation though. It's good for the city though...that's about it.I won't believe LeBron has changed until he is in a tough spot again, see how he reacts. He didn't behave all that differently in Miami than he did towards the end here. He shows he has changed...and then I might too.

Yet you're some sort of trade expert. Huh.

well, some dude on the internet asked if we were gm what you would do. I responded. If you want to call me an expert then...thank you.

 

[Premier]

He shows he has changed...and then I might too.

nobody cares

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Isn't this mac32 dude the guy that didn't even want Lebron?

not a Cavs fan. Not a LeBron fan. Fascinated by the situation though. It's good for the city though...that's about it.I won't believe LeBron has changed until he is in a tough spot again, see how he reacts. He didn't behave all that differently in Miami than he did towards the end here. He shows he has changed...and then I might too.

Yet you're some sort of trade expert. Huh.

well, some dude on the internet asked if we were gm what you would do. I responded. If you want to call me an expert then...thank you.

Seems like you're defending your opinion rather vociferously for a guy that probably couldn't pick Love out of a lineup filled with black dudes.

 

[MAC_32]

He shows he has changed...and then I might too.

nobody cares

i thought the same. Not sure why he asked.

 

[got_nugs]

I do not understand the logic behind the Cavs not giving up Wiggins right now for Love if that is available. The Cavs lucked into that #1 pick, it's like getting Love for free. I wouldn't want to risk Love choosing to go back to his home state of California by being selfish about a piece that was gifted to you in the 1st place.

Cliff what's your thought on this?

I don't see the pick being "gifted" as relevant.

Cool, didn't ask.

 

[MAC_32]

Isn't this mac32 dude the guy that didn't even want Lebron?

not a Cavs fan. Not a LeBron fan. Fascinated by the situation though. It's good for the city though...that's about it.I won't believe LeBron has changed until he is in a tough spot again, see how he reacts. He didn't behave all that differently in Miami than he did towards the end here. He shows he has changed...and then I might too.

Yet you're some sort of trade expert. Huh.

well, some dude on the internet asked if we were gm what you would do. I responded. If you want to call me an expert then...thank you.

Seems like you're defending your opinion rather vociferously for a guy that probably couldn't pick Love out of a lineup filled with black dudes.

impressive.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Isn't this mac32 dude the guy that didn't even want Lebron?

not a Cavs fan. Not a LeBron fan. Fascinated by the situation though. It's good for the city though...that's about it.I won't believe LeBron has changed until he is in a tough spot again, see how he reacts. He didn't behave all that differently in Miami than he did towards the end here. He shows he has changed...and then I might too.

Yet you're some sort of trade expert. Huh.

well, some dude on the internet asked if we were gm what you would do. I responded. If you want to call me an expert then...thank you.

Seems like you're defending your opinion rather vociferously for a guy that probably couldn't pick Love out of a lineup filled with black dudes.

impressive.

I thought it was funny.

 

[pollardsvision]

The wolves fans in here and their Love trade proposals are some of the most delusional posts I've seen yet in this thread.

Did Datonn give all of you guys some of the crack he's using?

It's what Saunders is asking for. It's what we're hoping they'll get. How is that so delusional?

it is not a problem until it becomes obvious it won't be offered. If the wolves don't adjust THEN it will be a problem.

Here's one option. Tell me if it sounds familiar...

-Play out the last season and hope like hell something happens to make him want to stay

-When that doesn't happen, get a couple crappy picks in a S&T

-Suck like hell for years, collecting many Top 5 draft picks.

very familiar, there's many reasons the old Cavs management was shown the door too.

Oh, that wasn't one of the bad moves.

Love is no LeBron and his chance to stay is smaller, but the lesson is the same. A chance to keep your star, even a small one, is worth more than a pupu platter.

You're screwed when the star leaves. Getting nothing in return doesn't necessarily make it that much worse.

 

[Frostillicus]

The wolves fans in here and their Love trade proposals are some of the most delusional posts I've seen yet in this thread.

Did Datonn give all of you guys some of the crack he's using?

It's what Saunders is asking for. It's what we're hoping they'll get. How is that so delusional?

it is not a problem until it becomes obvious it won't be offered. If the wolves don't adjust THEN it will be a problem.

Here's one option. Tell me if it sounds familiar...

-Play out the last season and hope like hell something happens to make him want to stay

-When that doesn't happen, get a couple crappy picks in a S&T

-Suck like hell for years, collecting many Top 5 draft picks.

very familiar, there's many reasons the old Cavs management was shown the door too.

Oh, that wasn't one of the bad moves.

Love is no LeBron and his chance to stay is smaller, but the lesson is the same. A chance to keep your star, even a small one, is worth more than a pupu platter.

Losing a star for nothing isn't the end of the world.

Absolutely

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

The delusional posts by cav fans thinking their: 1 going to trade for Love without giving up Wiggins, not going to happen, 2. to think they can win a championship without the leadership and talent of Love. The T wolves will trade Love, and no the Cavs will not get him next year in free agency, as any trade will include an extension for Love. The cavs could be a very special team with Love, without him just a good team

They won't win without the leadership of Love? The guy who's never been to the playoffs?

I don't know which Cleveland fans think they can get Love as a FA next year. It isn't feasible from a cap standpoint.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I do not understand the logic behind the Cavs not giving up Wiggins right now for Love if that is available. The Cavs lucked into that #1 pick, it's like getting Love for free. I wouldn't want to risk Love choosing to go back to his home state of California by being selfish about a piece that was gifted to you in the 1st place.

Cliff what's your thought on this?

Not sure why how they got the pick matters but... If I'm running the Cavs, I give up Irving and Bennett to try and get a couple nice pieces. If Irving gets Love, then move Bennett for a center and Waiters for a quality 3&D guy.

 

[simmonjm]

Wade couldn't even play 60 games in the regular season last year. Whats going to happen now that the Heat actually need him to contribute? On top of that Deng looks washed up. I would be surprised/shocked if this team finishes with a better record than the Knicks. Any action from Todem or Heat fans?

I have a feeling we'll see a bounce back year from Wade.

It's one thing coming off 3 straight years of walking through the East and going to the Finals as 2nd/3rd wheel. It's a completely different matter to be completely written off, shunned by your buddy, and needing to carry the load again while battling for a Playoff spot.

We also don't know that he couldn't play 60 games. We just know that's they all agreed was best for the team.

Maybe his body can't do it or maybe he's happy to mail it cashing checks in SB. But this is one of the 4 or 5 best SG's in NBA history, he's not that old, and I assume he has an ounce or two of pride.

He's overpaid, but writing him off is probably foolish.

I would agree with this if Wade had developed a jump shot and didn't rely solely on athleticism. Problem is his game involves him running full speed to the hoop hoping to draw contact and fall to the floor. That takes a toll on your body especially when you have been doing it as long as he has. Wade is done and he is now in the conversation for the WORST contract in the entire NBA

 

[MAC_32]

The delusional posts by cav fans thinking their: 1 going to trade for Love without giving up Wiggins, not going to happen, 2. to think they can win a championship without the leadership and talent of Love. The T wolves will trade Love, and no the Cavs will not get him next year in free agency, as any trade will include an extension for Love. The cavs could be a very special team with Love, without him just a good team

They won't win without the leadership of Love? The guy who's never been to the playoffs?

I don't know which Cleveland fans think they can get Love as a FA next year. It isn't feasible from a cap standpoint.

just the ones that don't understand how the cap works.

 

[NutterButter]

I do not understand the logic behind the Cavs not giving up Wiggins right now for Love if that is available. The Cavs lucked into that #1 pick, it's like getting Love for free. I wouldn't want to risk Love choosing to go back to his home state of California by being selfish about a piece that was gifted to you in the 1st place.

Cliff what's your thought on this?

Not sure why how they got the pick matters but... If I'm running the Cavs, I give up Irving and Bennett to try and get a couple nice pieces. If Irving gets Love, then move Bennett for a center and Waiters for a quality 3&D guy.

Who's playing point again?

 

[MAC_32]

I do not understand the logic behind the Cavs not giving up Wiggins right now for Love if that is available. The Cavs lucked into that #1 pick, it's like getting Love for free. I wouldn't want to risk Love choosing to go back to his home state of California by being selfish about a piece that was gifted to you in the 1st place.

Cliff what's your thought on this?

Not sure why how they got the pick matters but... If I'm running the Cavs, I give up Irving and Bennett to try and get a couple nice pieces. If Irving gets Love, then move Bennett for a center and Waiters for a quality 3&D guy.

Who's playing point again?

it isn't going to happen because LeBron wants to play with Irving, but waiters was adequate when Irving was not playing last year.

 

[NutterButter]

I do not understand the logic behind the Cavs not giving up Wiggins right now for Love if that is available. The Cavs lucked into that #1 pick, it's like getting Love for free. I wouldn't want to risk Love choosing to go back to his home state of California by being selfish about a piece that was gifted to you in the 1st place.

Cliff what's your thought on this?

Not sure why how they got the pick matters but... If I'm running the Cavs, I give up Irving and Bennett to try and get a couple nice pieces. If Irving gets Love, then move Bennett for a center and Waiters for a quality 3&D guy.

Who's playing point again?

it isn't going to happen because LeBron wants to play with Irving, but waiters was adequate when Irving was not playing last year.

I would've thought that Lebron was tired of playing with mediocre point guards