*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (6 Viewers)

[Bobcat10]

Bob Finnan ‏@BobCavsinsider 9m More
Cleveland Cavaliers now willing to include Wiggins in Kevin Love trade offer http://bit.ly/1jCywgN

Cavs blinked.

A month ago if I asked 'Would you be happy going into next season with Lebron, Love, and Kyrie?' what would your answer have been?

The only way I'm truly disappointed is if we give up Bennett or Waiters and a 1st with Wiggins.

I'd like to play hardball a while longer, even into Dec/Jan, but either way it's hard to fault what the Cavs do.

 

[Instinctive]

Some questions that arose in my mind reading the last few pages:

1. Is tanking actually a bad thing for the league?

2. Is parity actually a good thing? E.g. Baseball doesn't really have a ton of parity...and yet the MLB seems to be doing fine and has for a looooooong time.

1. Tanking hurts the on-court product and reduces the value consumers feel they get viewing the on-court product, especially those who bought a ticket to attend the game in person. Tanking probably helps year-round interest in the league, increasing interest in the draft and other offseason acquisitions, keeping the NBA in the sports news cycle when the league isn't staging games.

2. A lack of competitive balance hurts long-run broad interest in the product. What the NFL calls parity is IMO as much a function of the small sample size of a 16-game season compared to 80+ in NBA/NHL and 162 in MLB as measures to keep teams even.

1. I think the underlined portion is key. I think a couple teams tanking is good for league popularity and revenue overall.

2. I am fairly certain I disagree with the bolded. Was there a lack of balance in the 80s when the NBA exploded? What about in the 90s when it was all about the Bulls? What about the early 2000s, when it was really only a couple teams at the top for a few years and great story lines as other teams attempted to dethrone them? Has the league's interest declined since Miami added the Big 3 and went 4 for 4 on making the Finals?

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Odd that some dude from the "Morning Journal" is the only one reporting this so far. Not exactly the top Cavs beat guy.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Lebron gets what he wants. No doubt this is a factor here.

The Cavs will be chucking up a million 3's this year....and they are still hot after Ray Ray.

Joseph Goodman @JoeGoodmanJr about 9 minutes ago
Mike Miller says he's actively recruiting Ray Allen.

 

[Daywalker]

Here's what I'm now picturing:

Flip calls whoever is in charge over at Golden State:

Flip: "Cleveland said they'll include Wiggins in a deal for Love."

Golden State guy: "Ok fine. We'll give you Klay, Barnes, and Lee."

Flip: "Deal."

And then Love just says no I'd like to play with Lebron.

And Flip says well then you can sign there next year, but for now you are being traded to the Warriors

I'm sure GSW wants to give all of that up for a player who won't resign. Love has all the leverage.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Lebron gets what he wants. No doubt this is a factor here.

The Cavs will be chucking up a million 3's this year....and they are still hot after Ray Ray.

Joseph Goodman @JoeGoodmanJr about 9 minutes ago
Mike Miller says he's actively recruiting Ray Allen.

Dustin Fox ‏@DustinFox37 1m

Hearing the Ray Allen to the Cavs is HEATING up. No pun intended but interest is "real"

 

[Juxtatarot]

If Minnesota can get Wiggins, a deal with the Cavs is a no-brainer.

 

[Bobcat10]

Regardless if Love happens, Cavs need another big or two because Andy cannot be counted on.

Aminu

Blatche

Okafor

What other rim protectors or defensive bigs would you be after if you were the Cavs? Udoh, Brand, Seraphin, {JO', Odom, Bynum, LOL}?

 

[Kev4029]

Here's what I'm now picturing:

Flip calls whoever is in charge over at Golden State:

Flip: "Cleveland said they'll include Wiggins in a deal for Love."

Golden State guy: "Ok fine. We'll give you Klay, Barnes, and Lee."

Flip: "Deal."

Would you really want Klay, Barnes, and Lee over Bennett and Wiggins?

ETA: Nevermind, I kept reading and that's not what you meant at all.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Great news for Raptor fans

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Regardless if Love happens, Cavs need another big or two because Andy cannot be counted on.

Aminu

Blatche

Okafor

What other rim protectors or defensive bigs would you be after if you were the Cavs? Udoh, Brand, Seraphin, {JO', Odom, Bynum, LOL}?

Udoh, Okafor, Stiemsma, JO. Blatche is a knucklehead

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Regardless if Love happens, Cavs need another big or two because Andy cannot be counted on.

Aminu

Blatche

Okafor

What other rim protectors or defensive bigs would you be after if you were the Cavs? Udoh, Brand, Seraphin, {JO', Odom, Bynum, LOL}?

Wonder if the Wolves would just let Haywood go so he could go back?

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Bob Finnan ‏@BobCavsinsider 9m More
Cleveland Cavaliers now willing to include Wiggins in Kevin Love trade offer http://bit.ly/1jCywgN

Cavs blinked.

A month ago if I asked 'Would you be happy going into next season with Lebron, Love, and Kyrie?' what would your answer have been?

The only way I'm truly disappointed is if we give up Bennett or Waiters and a 1st with Wiggins.

I'd like to play hardball a while longer, even into Dec/Jan, but either way it's hard to fault what the Cavs do.

Well they have to include someone to make salaries match up enough.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Regardless if Love happens, Cavs need another big or two because Andy cannot be counted on.

Aminu

Blatche

Okafor

What other rim protectors or defensive bigs would you be after if you were the Cavs? Udoh, Brand, Seraphin, {JO', Odom, Bynum, LOL}?

Wonder if the Wolves would just let Haywood go so he could go back?

Or just throw in Dieng

 

[Bobcat10]

Regardless if Love happens, Cavs need another big or two because Andy cannot be counted on.

Aminu

Blatche

Okafor

What other rim protectors or defensive bigs would you be after if you were the Cavs? Udoh, Brand, Seraphin, {JO', Odom, Bynum, LOL}?

Wonder if the Wolves would just let Haywood go so he could go back?

Or just throw in Dieng

I just read that as a possibility.

 

[Bobcat10]

Bob Finnan ‏@BobCavsinsider 9m More
Cleveland Cavaliers now willing to include Wiggins in Kevin Love trade offer http://bit.ly/1jCywgN

Cavs blinked.

A month ago if I asked 'Would you be happy going into next season with Lebron, Love, and Kyrie?' what would your answer have been?

The only way I'm truly disappointed is if we give up Bennett or Waiters and a 1st with Wiggins.

I'd like to play hardball a while longer, even into Dec/Jan, but either way it's hard to fault what the Cavs do.

Well they have to include someone to make salaries match up enough.

This is true. I'm just thinking of the 3rd team angle still where we can unload another pick.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Bob Finnan ‏@BobCavsinsider 9m More
Cleveland Cavaliers now willing to include Wiggins in Kevin Love trade offer http://bit.ly/1jCywgN

Cavs blinked.

A month ago if I asked 'Would you be happy going into next season with Lebron, Love, and Kyrie?' what would your answer have been?

The only way I'm truly disappointed is if we give up Bennett or Waiters and a 1st with Wiggins.

I'd like to play hardball a while longer, even into Dec/Jan, but either way it's hard to fault what the Cavs do.

Well they have to include someone to make salaries match up enough.

Yep, and there's not a lot of dead contract weight on Cleveland's books. Varejao is the quickest way to make salaries match but they're not trading LeBron's buddy. So it will have to come from Thompson/Bennett/Waiters.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

Some questions that arose in my mind reading the last few pages:

1. Is tanking actually a bad thing for the league?

2. Is parity actually a good thing? E.g. Baseball doesn't really have a ton of parity...and yet the MLB seems to be doing fine and has for a looooooong time.

1. Tanking hurts the on-court product and reduces the value consumers feel they get viewing the on-court product, especially those who bought a ticket to attend the game in person. Tanking probably helps year-round interest in the league, increasing interest in the draft and other offseason acquisitions, keeping the NBA in the sports news cycle when the league isn't staging games.

2. A lack of competitive balance hurts long-run broad interest in the product. What the NFL calls parity is IMO as much a function of the small sample size of a 16-game season compared to 80+ in NBA/NHL and 162 in MLB as measures to keep teams even.

1. I think the underlined portion is key. I think a couple teams tanking is good for league popularity and revenue overall.

2. I am fairly certain I disagree with the bolded. Was there a lack of balance in the 80s when the NBA exploded? What about in the 90s when it was all about the Bulls? What about the early 2000s, when it was really only a couple teams at the top for a few years and great story lines as other teams attempted to dethrone them? Has the league's interest declined since Miami added the Big 3 and went 4 for 4 on making the Finals?

I'm not interesting the parsing definitions of "parity" and "popularity" with you.

 

[Abraham]

If Flip Saunders isn't finalizing the deal this moment then he should be thrown in to an ice-fishing hole.

 

[Kev4029]

Regardless if Love happens, Cavs need another big or two because Andy cannot be counted on.

Aminu

Blatche

Okafor

What other rim protectors or defensive bigs would you be after if you were the Cavs? Udoh, Brand, Seraphin, {JO', Odom, Bynum, LOL}?

I think if Okafor was going to be healthy next year, he would have been picked up by now. If Okafor is healthy, hes by far their best option. Brand is still a nice player for 15 minutes a night, which would be helpful on a minimum contract. Jermaine O'Neal is still decent, and the Cavs could just hope his 40 games he misses next year don't line up with Varejao's. Stiemsma would be a decent pickup on a minimum contract, but hes more like a 6th big than a 4th or 5th. There aren't many bigs that you would even want stepping on the court in desperate situations left to be picked up.

 

[Frostillicus]

Here's what I'm now picturing:

Flip calls whoever is in charge over at Golden State:

Flip: "Cleveland said they'll include Wiggins in a deal for Love."

Golden State guy: "Ok fine. We'll give you Klay, Barnes, and Lee."

Flip: "Deal."

Would you really want Klay, Barnes, and Lee over Bennett and Wiggins?

ETA: Nevermind, I kept reading and that's not what you meant at all.

Yeah I'm a stupid for how I typed that up. I was going for sarcasm. Just so we all clear:

#TEAMWIGGINS

 

[Kev4029]

Bob Finnan ‏@BobCavsinsider 9m More
Cleveland Cavaliers now willing to include Wiggins in Kevin Love trade offer http://bit.ly/1jCywgN

Cavs blinked.

A month ago if I asked 'Would you be happy going into next season with Lebron, Love, and Kyrie?' what would your answer have been?

The only way I'm truly disappointed is if we give up Bennett or Waiters and a 1st with Wiggins.

I'd like to play hardball a while longer, even into Dec/Jan, but either way it's hard to fault what the Cavs do.

Well they have to include someone to make salaries match up enough.

Yep, and there's not a lot of dead contract weight on Cleveland's books. Varejao is the quickest way to make salaries match but they're not trading LeBron's buddy. So it will have to come from Thompson/Bennett/Waiters.

More importantly, they have nobody to play center if he doesn't, and they don't really have the means to acquire somebody that can play center.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

So does Wiggins accept the qualifying offer in 4 years then bolt to Toronto or does he go the same route Love and KG did?

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

So does Wiggins accept the qualifying offer in 4 years then bolt to Toronto or does he go the same route Love and KG did?

RINSE REPEAT! WHEEEEEEE

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

So does Wiggins accept the qualifying offer in 4 years then bolt to Toronto or does he go the same route Love and KG did?

When do Raptors season tickets for 2018-2019 go on sale? I want to put a reminder in my calendar.

 

[Instinctive]

Some questions that arose in my mind reading the last few pages:

1. Is tanking actually a bad thing for the league?

2. Is parity actually a good thing? E.g. Baseball doesn't really have a ton of parity...and yet the MLB seems to be doing fine and has for a looooooong time.

1. Tanking hurts the on-court product and reduces the value consumers feel they get viewing the on-court product, especially those who bought a ticket to attend the game in person. Tanking probably helps year-round interest in the league, increasing interest in the draft and other offseason acquisitions, keeping the NBA in the sports news cycle when the league isn't staging games.

2. A lack of competitive balance hurts long-run broad interest in the product. What the NFL calls parity is IMO as much a function of the small sample size of a 16-game season compared to 80+ in NBA/NHL and 162 in MLB as measures to keep teams even.

1. I think the underlined portion is key. I think a couple teams tanking is good for league popularity and revenue overall.

2. I am fairly certain I disagree with the bolded. Was there a lack of balance in the 80s when the NBA exploded? What about in the 90s when it was all about the Bulls? What about the early 2000s, when it was really only a couple teams at the top for a few years and great story lines as other teams attempted to dethrone them? Has the league's interest declined since Miami added the Big 3 and went 4 for 4 on making the Finals?

I'm not interesting the parsing definitions of "parity" and "popularity" with you.

Neither am I, and the fact that you seem to think that's my goal indicates you didn't read very closely. Your bolded sentence is, "A lack of competitive balance hurts long-run broad interest in the product."

I completely disagree. The examples I brought up were to say that a lack of competitive balance absolutely did not hurt long run interest, but rather seems to have the opposite effect.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

Yeah I'm a stupid for how I typed that up. I was going for sarcasm. Just so we all clear:

#TEAMWIGGINS

If this happens, I'll come up for a game this winter. Chilitos for pre-game, post-game, or both?

 

[Frostillicus]

Yeah I'm a stupid for how I typed that up. I was going for sarcasm. Just so we all clear:

#TEAMWIGGINS

If this happens, I'll come up for a game this winter. Chilitos for pre-game, post-game, or both?

I think both should do.

 

[hxperson]

So does Wiggins accept the qualifying offer in 4 years then bolt to Toronto or does he go the same route Love and KG did?

As a Raps fan, definitely rooting for Wiggins to go to the Wolves. Also, him and Lavine would form a crazy athletic wing tandem.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Irving, Lebron, Love is the most talented 1-2-3 out there... They'll be the favorites to win it all with those 3, correct?

ETA: Should Love land in Cleveland. 1-2-3 just refers to 3 guys, not their respective positions.

 

[Abraham]

Irving, Lebron, Love is the most talented 1-2-3 out there... They'll be the favorites to win it all with those 3, correct?

ETA: Should Love land in Cleveland.

Well, "probably. " Although a case for San Antonio can obviously be made and a healthy Derrick Rose would make the Bulls my favorite.

 

[biggamer3]

I figured this all out, Lebron just wants to get back at Gilbert for "the letter." He got pissed when they got the #1 and decided to enter into Lebron retaliation mode. He set up the worlds greatest heist.

He goes to Cleveland on a 1 year deal, gets Cleveland to get their hopes up and deal Scottie "Wiggins" Pippen to Minny for an expiring Kevin Love. Lebron fakes an injury and is out all year and Love and Kyrie miss the playoffs by 7 games.

Lebron and KLove then bolt Cleveland and resign with Minny and join up with Wiggy and Lebron then uploads a letter to SI detailing how he has been victorious in his vengeance seeking plan vs Gilbert.

 

[Frostillicus]

I figured this all out, Lebron just wants to get back at Gilbert for "the letter." He got pissed when they got the #1 and decided to enter into Lebron retaliation mode. He set up the worlds greatest heist.

He goes to Cleveland on a 1 year deal, gets Cleveland to get their hopes up and deal Scottie "Wiggins" Pippen to Minny for an expiring Kevin Love. Lebron fakes an injury and is out all year and Love and Kyrie miss the playoffs by 7 games.

Lebron and KLove then bolt Cleveland and resign with Minny and join up with Wiggy and Lebron then uploads a letter to SI detailing how he has been victorious in his vengeance seeking plan vs Gilbert.

I can get on board with this.

 

[biggamer3]

I figured this all out, Lebron just wants to get back at Gilbert for "the letter." He got pissed when they got the #1 and decided to enter into Lebron retaliation mode. He set up the worlds greatest heist.

He goes to Cleveland on a 1 year deal, gets Cleveland to get their hopes up and deal Scottie "Wiggins" Pippen to Minny for an expiring Kevin Love. Lebron fakes an injury and is out all year and Love and Kyrie miss the playoffs by 7 games.

Lebron and KLove then bolt Cleveland and resign with Minny and join up with Wiggy and Lebron then uploads a letter to SI detailing how he has been victorious in his vengeance seeking plan vs Gilbert.

I can get on board with this.

really? But you guys wouldn't be getting Olynic in this deal

 

[No. 16]

Lebron gets what he wants. No doubt this is a factor here.

The Cavs will be chucking up a million 3's this year....and they are still hot after Ray Ray.

An Irving, Allen, Miller, LeBron and Love lineup would be pretty awesome to watch.

Yah gonna be awesome to watch LBJ try to defend all 5 positions at the same time.

 

[Gopher State]

Irving, Lebron, Love is the most talented 1-2-3 out there... They'll be the favorites to win it all with those 3, correct?

ETA: Should Love land in Cleveland. 1-2-3 just refers to 3 guys, not their respective positions.

This is the most accurate post in the whole thread

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

How biggamer3 isn't on Frosty's enemies list by now is beyond me.

 

[biggamer3]

How biggamer3 isn't on Frosty's enemies list by now is beyond me.

Me and Frosty are like Abbot and Costello. It may seem like we don't get along but really we are the same soul. Also Costello hated Olynik and Abbot loved his retro game. So we have that in common with them as well.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

MaxBirdsey: @me We go to Plan B. Sully himself turns into Kevin Love Lite AND Olynyk turns into Dirk 3000 next season

Lol

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Royce Young @EyeOnBasketball 1 minute ago
Kevin Love Synergy defensive percentile: 66th. 3.7 defensive win shares, same as Bron
Mind you, I have no idea what a "synergy defensive percentile" is.

 

[Abraham]

If Wiggins is available then I can only assume the trade hasn't happened because Flip is afraid he is on Punk'd and doesn't want to seem too excited before Ashton comes around the corner and starts laughing at him.

 

[mcintyre1]

If Wiggins is available then I can only assume the trade hasn't happened because Flip is afraid he is on Punk'd and doesn't want to seem too excited before Ashton comes around the corner and starts laughing at him.

He's probably at the country club and forgot his cell phone.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Abe impatient? No way.

 

[pollardsvision]

I want to throw up.

The most exciting Cavs off-season news should've been Doug McDermott tearing up the Summer League.

 

[Gopher State]

Wow, the News Herald is reporting the Cavs will trade Wiggins, plus another player and picks for Love, rumor is James has had some input. I think this deal goes down in 48 hours.

 

[Abraham]

Abe impatient? No way.

You like the idea of wiggins or not?

 

[Gopher State]

If Wiggins is available then I can only assume the trade hasn't happened because Flip is afraid he is on Punk'd and doesn't want to seem too excited before Ashton comes around the corner and starts laughing at him.

Nope, the real story is James got back to OH and told the cavs he wants Love, what King James wants King James gets

 

[Frostillicus]

How biggamer3 isn't on Frosty's enemies list by now is beyond me.

Too lazy.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Abe impatient? No way.

You like the idea of wiggins or not?

Do you have any idea how long a trade negotiation/submission/etc takes? I sure don't. Just because some mope on twitter says Wiggins is available doesn't mean Flip is standing with his schwantz in his hands instead of frantically faxing docs to the NBA office.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/7/17/5913269/daryl-morey-ping-pong-nba-summer-league

Lol at this.