*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (11 Viewers)

[Abraham]

Does anyone really think Lebron is retiring from anywhere other than Cleveland?

 

[Frostillicus]

Does anyone really think Lebron is retiring from anywhere other than Cleveland?

Maybe Houston.

 

[Instinctive]

If I'm Cleveland I get Irving extended and keep Wiggins in the fold. Keep money to sign max FA next season. Keep maximum flexibility no matter what Lebron decides he wants to do. You can sign Love next offseason. If Lebron bolts, you have room for Durant too. There's no reason to mortgage everything just for Lebron, especially when he has kept maximum flexibility himself and hasn't gone all in on your franchise.

Irving is already extended. http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11200009/cleveland-cavaliers-announce-kyrie-irving-contract-extension

Unlikely they have room to sign a big time FA next year and fill out the team. LeBron and Kyrie alone is like $37 million, Bennett is another 6, Wiggins another 5-6. That's $48 million right there before any cap hold and other roster members. Probably have right around 19 million with projected cap increase next year. Waiters and Thompson each have holds around 6 or 7... Just seems unlikely to me.

LeBron will opt out again next summer and the Cavs will sign the FAs they can get before re-signing LeBron. Gilbert is willing to go over the salary cap so they should be fine.

That's not quite how the salary cap works.

Word for word what I was gonna post hahaha.

Cap hold man. Cap hold.

 

[Instinctive]

If I'm Cleveland I get Irving extended and keep Wiggins in the fold. Keep money to sign max FA next season. Keep maximum flexibility no matter what Lebron decides he wants to do. You can sign Love next offseason. If Lebron bolts, you have room for Durant too. There's no reason to mortgage everything just for Lebron, especially when he has kept maximum flexibility himself and hasn't gone all in on your franchise.

Irving is already extended. http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11200009/cleveland-cavaliers-announce-kyrie-irving-contract-extension

Unlikely they have room to sign a big time FA next year and fill out the team. LeBron and Kyrie alone is like $37 million, Bennett is another 6, Wiggins another 5-6. That's $48 million right there before any cap hold and other roster members. Probably have right around 19 million with projected cap increase next year. Waiters and Thompson each have holds around 6 or 7... Just seems unlikely to me.

LeBron will opt out again next summer and the Cavs will sign the FAs they can get before re-signing LeBron. Gilbert is willing to go over the salary cap so they should be fine.

That's not quite how the salary cap works.

Word for word what I was gonna post hahaha.

Cap hold man. Cap hold.

ETA: Should have read further. Kev's all over this. Nicely done.

 

[Freelove]

Does anyone really think Lebron is retiring from anywhere other than Cleveland?

Way too many professional athletes talk about, and worry about, their "brand." But the MJD/LeBron/Tiger types of the world actually have to worry about it. If LeBron ##### over Cleveland again, he's a villain forever to about 95% of his endorsement demographic. Leaving after this would probably cost him, literally, hundreds of millions of dollars in likability. Ask Tiger how turning heel worked out for his bottom line.

He's never going anywhere. If he tries, his handlers will ##### smack some sense into him in a heartbeat. For good or for ill, he's a Cav for life. Anyone even entertaining thoughts to the contrary simply doesn't have a clue about sports business.

 

[Kev4029]

If I'm Cleveland I get Irving extended and keep Wiggins in the fold. Keep money to sign max FA next season. Keep maximum flexibility no matter what Lebron decides he wants to do. You can sign Love next offseason. If Lebron bolts, you have room for Durant too. There's no reason to mortgage everything just for Lebron, especially when he has kept maximum flexibility himself and hasn't gone all in on your franchise.

Irving is already extended. http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11200009/cleveland-cavaliers-announce-kyrie-irving-contract-extension

Unlikely they have room to sign a big time FA next year and fill out the team. LeBron and Kyrie alone is like $37 million, Bennett is another 6, Wiggins another 5-6. That's $48 million right there before any cap hold and other roster members. Probably have right around 19 million with projected cap increase next year. Waiters and Thompson each have holds around 6 or 7... Just seems unlikely to me.

LeBron will opt out again next summer and the Cavs will sign the FAs they can get before re-signing LeBron. Gilbert is willing to go over the salary cap so they should be fine.

That's not quite how the salary cap works.

Word for word what I was gonna post hahaha.

Cap hold man. Cap hold.

ETA: Should have read further. Kev's all over this. Nicely done.

 

[Kev4029]

If I'm Cleveland I get Irving extended and keep Wiggins in the fold. Keep money to sign max FA next season. Keep maximum flexibility no matter what Lebron decides he wants to do. You can sign Love next offseason. If Lebron bolts, you have room for Durant too. There's no reason to mortgage everything just for Lebron, especially when he has kept maximum flexibility himself and hasn't gone all in on your franchise.

Irving is already extended. http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11200009/cleveland-cavaliers-announce-kyrie-irving-contract-extensionUnlikely they have room to sign a big time FA next year and fill out the team. LeBron and Kyrie alone is like $37 million, Bennett is another 6, Wiggins another 5-6. That's $48 million right there before any cap hold and other roster members. Probably have right around 19 million with projected cap increase next year. Waiters and Thompson each have holds around 6 or 7... Just seems unlikely to me.

LeBron will opt out again next summer and the Cavs will sign the FAs they can get before re-signing LeBron. Gilbert is willing to go over the salary cap so they should be fine.

That's not quite how the salary cap works.

Step us through this please.So he opts out...there is a cap hold equal to what? Then if the Cavs renounce him, he is like any other FA and counts at zero against their cap? Cavs sign FA's, maybe a max, then Lebron takes a mini one year discount getting him to the new TV deal/increase in cap. Cavs sign him to full max. Where did I go wrong here? Everywhere?

Seems like alot of Lebron opting out and having a change of heart to me. But really the Cavs have little options with him if he won't sign a long term max until the new TV deal hits.

I'm not sure if this was directed at me. His cap hold would be pretty much the same as his salary (maybe a little more), so they gain no cap space in metoo's scenario. If the Cavs were to renounce Lebron next year, they lose his early bird rights, so he would have to play three more years for them prior to being able to sign him for any dollar amount they please.

According to the CBA FAQ (#33) the Cavs would re acquire Lebron's bird rights after resigning him to the one year deal under the above scenario.

Like Cliff said, either they don't renounce him and his cap hold clogs up their salary cap or they renounce him and they hold no Bird Rights on him. The only times teams commonly benefit from cap holds are when they are newly drafted 1st round rookies, and when a player is coming off his rookie deal which was underpaying his production (like with Houston and Parsons).

 

[Bobcat10]

So if he opts out, is renounced, and resigns for whatever on another 1 year, does he start back at zero as far as Bird Rights go?

 

[thecatch]

If I'm Cleveland I get Irving extended and keep Wiggins in the fold. Keep money to sign max FA next season. Keep maximum flexibility no matter what Lebron decides he wants to do. You can sign Love next offseason. If Lebron bolts, you have room for Durant too. There's no reason to mortgage everything just for Lebron, especially when he has kept maximum flexibility himself and hasn't gone all in on your franchise.

Irving is already extended. http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11200009/cleveland-cavaliers-announce-kyrie-irving-contract-extensionUnlikely they have room to sign a big time FA next year and fill out the team. LeBron and Kyrie alone is like $37 million, Bennett is another 6, Wiggins another 5-6. That's $48 million right there before any cap hold and other roster members. Probably have right around 19 million with projected cap increase next year. Waiters and Thompson each have holds around 6 or 7... Just seems unlikely to me.

LeBron will opt out again next summer and the Cavs will sign the FAs they can get before re-signing LeBron. Gilbert is willing to go over the salary cap so they should be fine.

That's not quite how the salary cap works.

Step us through this please.So he opts out...there is a cap hold equal to what? Then if the Cavs renounce him, he is like any other FA and counts at zero against their cap? Cavs sign FA's, maybe a max, then Lebron takes a mini one year discount getting him to the new TV deal/increase in cap. Cavs sign him to full max. Where did I go wrong here? Everywhere?

Seems like alot of Lebron opting out and having a change of heart to me. But really the Cavs have little options with him if he won't sign a long term max until the new TV deal hits.

I'm not sure if this was directed at me. His cap hold would be pretty much the same as his salary (maybe a little more), so they gain no cap space in metoo's scenario. If the Cavs were to renounce Lebron next year, they lose his early bird rights, so he would have to play three more years for them prior to being able to sign him for any dollar amount they please.

According to the CBA FAQ (#33) the Cavs would re acquire Lebron's bird rights after resigning him to the one year deal under the above scenario.

Like Cliff said, either they don't renounce him and his cap hold clogs up their salary cap or they renounce him and they hold no Bird Rights on him.

I'm just pointing out that renouncing a player doesn't totally kill a team's bird rights.

 

[DrJ]

If he's a Cav for life no matter what, then we can cross making Lebron happy entirely off the list of reasons to make the deal.

 

[Bobcat10]

So if he opts out, is renounced, and resigns for whatever on another 1 year, does he start back at zero as far as Bird Rights go?

No: http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q33

What am I missing here?

"Once Bird rights are established, they don't go away unless the player is renounced"

 

[thecatch]

So if he opts out, is renounced, and resigns for whatever on another 1 year, does he start back at zero as far as Bird Rights go?

No: http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q33

What am I missing here?"Once Bird rights are established, they don't go away unless the player is renounced"

Last bullet point

 

[Bobcat10]

So if he opts out, is renounced, and resigns for whatever on another 1 year, does he start back at zero as far as Bird Rights go?

No: http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q33

What am I missing here?"Once Bird rights are established, they don't go away unless the player is renounced"

Last bullet point

Good point

 

[Kev4029]

I'm just pointing out that renouncing a player doesn't totally kill a team's bird rights.

You're right, it doesn't kill the bird rights, just the ability to use it to sign the player.

 

[Plorfu]

It's only a matter of time before everyone has bird rights, anyway. Don't be on the wrong side of history.

 

[RUSF18]

They could just sign LeBron to the minimum after he opts out and then have Gilbert's company give LeBron James Industries $30 million a year, right?

 

[Todem]

If I'm Cleveland I get Irving extended and keep Wiggins in the fold. Keep money to sign max FA next season. Keep maximum flexibility no matter what Lebron decides he wants to do. You can sign Love next offseason. If Lebron bolts, you have room for Durant too. There's no reason to mortgage everything just for Lebron, especially when he has kept maximum flexibility himself and hasn't gone all in on your franchise.

Irving is already extended. http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11200009/cleveland-cavaliers-announce-kyrie-irving-contract-extension

Unlikely they have room to sign a big time FA next year and fill out the team. LeBron and Kyrie alone is like $37 million, Bennett is another 6, Wiggins another 5-6. That's $48 million right there before any cap hold and other roster members. Probably have right around 19 million with projected cap increase next year. Waiters and Thompson each have holds around 6 or 7... Just seems unlikely to me.

What if Lebron opts out after this season? Maybe Todem can help us out there?

100% confidence he retires.

 

[Todem]

Does anyone really think Lebron is retiring from anywhere other than Cleveland?

No. Cav's lifer now. No question. Otherwise his entire pivot will destroy his brand and the ability to earn 90MM a year like Jordan does after his playing days are over.

He brings one title to Cleveland and his legacy is cemented and 10 statues will be bronzed of him around the state of Ohio.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

It's only a matter of time before everyone has bird rights, anyway. Don't be on the wrong side of history.

Let's say you and I go toe-to-toe on bird law and we'll see who comes out the victor?

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Does anyone really think Lebron is retiring from anywhere other than Cleveland?

No. Cav's lifer now. No question. Otherwise his entire pivot will destroy his brand and the ability to earn 90MM a year like Jordan does after his playing days are over. He brings one title to Cleveland and his legacy is cemented and 10 statues will be bronzed of him around the state of Ohio.

Could you put a percentage on it for us?

 

[DrJ]

Does anyone really think Lebron is retiring from anywhere other than Cleveland?

No. Cav's lifer now. No question. Otherwise his entire pivot will destroy his brand and the ability to earn 90MM a year like Jordan does after his playing days are over. He brings one title to Cleveland and his legacy is cemented and 10 statues will be bronzed of him around the state of Ohio.

Could you put a percentage on it for us?

It's pretty low. You can cheat on your wife and contract HIV and the public eventually moves on from it and gives you big endorsement deals. Jilting the Cavs is just a simple footnote since basically everyone that wears their uni does that at some point or another.

 

[DrJ]

Titles on the other hand, people remember and talk about that for a much longer time. Way longer than they talk about you getting HIV, or raping chicks in hotel rooms in Colorado and stuff.

 

[Todem]

Does anyone really think Lebron is retiring from anywhere other than Cleveland?

No. Cav's lifer now. No question. Otherwise his entire pivot will destroy his brand and the ability to earn 90MM a year like Jordan does after his playing days are over. He brings one title to Cleveland and his legacy is cemented and 10 statues will be bronzed of him around the state of Ohio.

Could you put a percentage on it for us?

On what part. Title, statues?

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Does anyone really think Lebron is retiring from anywhere other than Cleveland?

No. Cav's lifer now. No question. Otherwise his entire pivot will destroy his brand and the ability to earn 90MM a year like Jordan does after his playing days are over. He brings one title to Cleveland and his legacy is cemented and 10 statues will be bronzed of him around the state of Ohio.

Could you put a percentage on it for us?

On what part. Title, statues?

All of it.

 

[JB Breakfast Club]

Let me ask this. As constructed today, are the Cavs the best team in the East, giving them an inside track to the finals? I'm not so sure...

I see significant spacing problems. Irving is an average shooter. So us waiters. None of the bigs can stretch the floor. LeBron needs space - playing with wade became a big problem last season because wade can't shoot.

I also see passing issues, especially up front. Varejao can be a little creative, but Thompson and Bennett don't move the ball well, and kyrie/waiters are average. LeBron accumulates a lot of hockey assists by setting up a shot that is two passes away (shots Mike Miller will get). He needs players who can shoot (if open) or move the ball quickly to get the best shot.

These headaches will take a lot to overcome, and Cleveland is also asking LeBron to mentor Wiggins, Bennett, and the back court. It's a tall order.

Meanwhile, Kevin Love solves both problems above. He is the best shooting big in the NBA, and he is an elite passer at the 4. Some defense is sacrificed, but the offense completely opens up, and LeBron has less to do mentally. I think putting love on the Cavs makes them the clear favorite.

 

[Abraham]

Let me ask this. As constructed today, are the Cavs the best team in the East, giving them an inside track to the finals? I'm not so sure...

I see significant spacing problems. Irving is an average shooter. So us waiters. None of the bigs can stretch the floor. LeBron needs space - playing with wade became a big problem last season because wade can't shoot.

I also see passing issues, especially up front. Varejao can be a little creative, but Thompson and Bennett don't move the ball well, and kyrie/waiters are average. LeBron accumulates a lot of hockey assists by setting up a shot that is two passes away (shots Mike Miller will get). He needs players who can shoot (if open) or move the ball quickly to get the best shot.

These headaches will take a lot to overcome, and Cleveland is also asking LeBron to mentor Wiggins, Bennett, and the back court. It's a tall order.

Meanwhile, Kevin Love solves both problems above. He is the best shooting big in the NBA, and he is an elite passer at the 4. Some defense is sacrificed, but the offense completely opens up, and LeBron has less to do mentally. I think putting love on the Cavs makes them the clear favorite.

A healthy Rose makes the bulls better. Chicago is deeeeeep. That front court may be the most versatile in the league.

 

[JB Breakfast Club]

Agree. I think the bulls are currently the best team in the East.

 

[Britney Spears]

I have literally not seen a single person speculate that Lebron might be a Clipper in a couple years. And that was still the most coherent part of your post.

LOL

No. 16 gave a pity reply.

 

[Britney Spears]

If I'm Cleveland I get Irving extended and keep Wiggins in the fold. Keep money to sign max FA next season.

Does not compute.

 

[Britney Spears]

Man these last 10 posts are pure unfiltered stupidity.

When did the Wolves move to the East?

Gotta pay attention to this stuff.

 

[JB Breakfast Club]

Man these last 10 posts are pure unfiltered stupidity.

When did the Wolves move to the East?

Gotta pay attention to this stuff.

That woulda been nice. Going to a playoff game over the last ten years would have been fun.

 

[Village Idiot]

If I were Love, I'd be a little concerned about hitching my wagon to Cleveland knowing that Lebron likes to jump ship fast if things don't go his way.

If you're (hi Cliff) going to fish at least try to be a little subtle.

 

[DrJ]

If I were Love, I'd be a little concerned about hitching my wagon to Cleveland knowing that Lebron likes to jump ship fast if things don't go his way.

If you're (hi Cliff) going to fish at least try to be a little subtle.

I'm being serious. Sorry I actually have an independent thought in my head and don't always follow group thought like the rest of you armchair GM's and armchair agents.

 

[Kev4029]

Let me ask this. As constructed today, are the Cavs the best team in the East, giving them an inside track to the finals? I'm not so sure...

I see significant spacing problems. Irving is an average shooter. So us waiters. None of the bigs can stretch the floor. LeBron needs space - playing with wade became a big problem last season because wade can't shoot.

I also see passing issues, especially up front. Varejao can be a little creative, but Thompson and Bennett don't move the ball well, and kyrie/waiters are average. LeBron accumulates a lot of hockey assists by setting up a shot that is two passes away (shots Mike Miller will get). He needs players who can shoot (if open) or move the ball quickly to get the best shot.

These headaches will take a lot to overcome, and Cleveland is also asking LeBron to mentor Wiggins, Bennett, and the back court. It's a tall order.

Meanwhile, Kevin Love solves both problems above. He is the best shooting big in the NBA, and he is an elite passer at the 4. Some defense is sacrificed, but the offense completely opens up, and LeBron has less to do mentally. I think putting love on the Cavs makes them the clear favorite.

A healthy Rose makes the bulls better. Chicago is deeeeeep. That front court may be the most versatile in the league.

I see what you did there, a young Brad Daugherty makes the Cavs better.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Donte Greene - G/F - Celtics
Donte Greene, a former lottery pick from the 2008 draft, is attempting to make a return to the NBA.
"I’m just trying to come back and be a pro. I’m older now, more mature, and I’ve got a big family to take care of," said Greene. "[During Summer League I] Try to be a leader on the floor, be active, always be in the right spots. Play smart. Play hard. Trying to do the little things. Me being older now, it’s not so much coming out and having 30, 40 points as it was when I was younger. Now it’s about coming out and show teams I know how to play the game." Greene spent the last season in China, but even if he's able to land on an NBA roster, he will not have any fantasy value.


Source: Boston Globe



Yes, Donte, More mature.....Greene was arrested in Miami this morning. Good luck on your "comeback"

 

[Kev4029]

I'm sure a lot of Jan Vesely's potentials suitors here in the states are going to be pretty bummed, he signed with a Turkish team.

That was a weird draft in 2011. I think Irving would still go first, but the next handful of picks would come from much later in the draft. These are the guys that would probably be in consideration for the #2 pick, if we did it all over: Jonas Valanciunas (pick 5), Klay Thompson (11), Kawhi Leonard (15), DONUTS (20), Kenneth Faried (22), Jimmy Butler (30), Chandler Parsons (38), Isiah Thomas (60).

Doing it over, I would go:

1. Cavs - Irving - Still the most talented player in the draft

2. TWolves - Leonard - They took the wrong tweener, Leonard is the player they wanted Williams to be.

3. Jazz - K Thompson - I don't think he is necessarily worthy of this pick, but he would have been a great fit along side Hayward, Favors and Millsap.

4. Cleveland - Faried - A better version of Thompson

5. Raptors - Valanciunas - They needed a center and he was the best available.

6. Wiz - Parsons - I'm torn between Parsons and Butler, but I think Parsons would have developed better with the knuckleheads the Wiz had at the time.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

I'd take Parsons #1.

 

[Abraham]

Leonard would go 1 if we knew then what we know now. 2 way players at a thin position >>> ball dominant no defense at the league's deepest spot.

 

[DrJ]

Leonard would go 1 if we knew then what we know now. 2 way players at a thin position >>> ball dominant no defense at the league's deepest spot.

Knowing what we know now includes Lebron being a Cavalier. No reason the Cavs need Leonard given that.

 

[Freelove]

Leonard would go 1 if we knew then what we know now. 2 way players at a thin position >>> ball dominant no defense at the league's deepest spot.

We'll learn a lot more about that Irving vs Leonard debate after this season. Leonard appears to have a much fuller game in a vacuum, but then, he's been able to develop his all-around game in a situation where he's never had to be the sole focus of the offense, or the defense. He's been able to fill gaps in an already very-well-oiled machine, and has (no doubt) excelled at it.

I have no doubts Leonard will go down in history as a defensive player light years beyond Kyrie Irving, but I do sincerely believe we're going to see a lot of nuances to Irving's game we didn't before, now that he's not going to be the sole focus of every defense the Cavs face.

Lebron has a history of elevating the efficiency of everyone else on his offenses, and if they keep Wiggins, I can easily see Irving developing into an opportunistic defender who's able to use his quickness to play the lanes and generate turnovers, even if he's never a lockdown defender.

Right now, I think I'd trust Kyrie's upside in these respects vs. Leonard's proven ability surrounded by HOF'ers. But I can certainly see both sides of the argument.

 

[Kev4029]

Leonard would go 1 if we knew then what we know now. 2 way players at a thin position >>> ball dominant no defense at the league's deepest spot.

Leonard and Irving's development has been greatly shaped by where they landed. I don't think Leonard would be the same player with a different organization that he is with SA.

Point guard is the most important position in the NBA and to this point Leonard has been a complementary player. For him to be worthy of the number one pick you would have to think that he can expand his role past 13 pts/6 reb/ 2 ast. He's a fantastic role player at this point, while Irving is making All Star games.

 

[Abraham]

Leonard would go 1 if we knew then what we know now. 2 way players at a thin position >>> ball dominant no defense at the league's deepest spot.

Leonard and Irving's development has been greatly shaped by where they landed. I don't think Leonard would be the same player with a different organization that he is with SA.

Point guard is the most important position in the NBA and to this point Leonard has been a complementary player. For him to be worthy of the number one pick you would have to think that he can expand his role past 13 pts/6 reb/ 2 ast. He's a fantastic role player at this point, while Irving is making All Star games.

We will have to agree to disagree then. One is an all star. The other is a finals MVP.

 

[DrJ]

Leonard would go 1 if we knew then what we know now. 2 way players at a thin position >>> ball dominant no defense at the league's deepest spot.

Leonard and Irving's development has been greatly shaped by where they landed. I don't think Leonard would be the same player with a different organization that he is with SA.

Point guard is the most important position in the NBA and to this point Leonard has been a complementary player. For him to be worthy of the number one pick you would have to think that he can expand his role past 13 pts/6 reb/ 2 ast. He's a fantastic role player at this point, while Irving is making All Star games.

We will have to agree to disagree then. One is an all star. The other is a finals MVP.

Finals MVP is partially a team award. Lebron was the MVP of the finals, but they have to give it to a player on the team that wins.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Leonard would go 1 if we knew then what we know now. 2 way players at a thin position >>> ball dominant no defense at the league's deepest spot.

Leonard and Irving's development has been greatly shaped by where they landed. I don't think Leonard would be the same player with a different organization that he is with SA.

Point guard is the most important position in the NBA and to this point Leonard has been a complementary player. For him to be worthy of the number one pick you would have to think that he can expand his role past 13 pts/6 reb/ 2 ast. He's a fantastic role player at this point, while Irving is making All Star games.

We will have to agree to disagree then. One is an all star. The other is a finals MVP.

One shouldn't have made the all-star team and the other was at best the 3rd best player on his team.

 

[Abraham]

Come on cliff. Leonard was sensational games 3-5 of the finals.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Come on cliff. Leonard was sensational games 3-5 of the finals.

Sure. But try looking at a bigger sample. Getting hot for a few games does not make him a great player. See: Lin, Jeremy.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I'd take Parsons #1.

Why did the Rockets let him go?

 

[Todem]

I'd take Parsons #1.

Why did the Rockets let him go?

Because they totally blew it. They could have had him one more year at 900K. They totally underestimated the free agent bids he would get as a RFA.

A massive blunder.

 

[Balco]

Cavs really, really need to acquire Kevin Love.

At first I thought Wiggins wasn't worth it, but if the Wolves would do a straight Love for Wiggins deal, the Cavs should sign off.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Cavs really, really need to acquire Kevin Love.

At first I thought Wiggins wasn't worth it, but if the Wolves would do a straight Love for Wiggins deal, the Cavs should sign off.

They won't and the league wouldn't allow it anyway.