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*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (7 Viewers)

Did people really think the Cavs were going to steamroll the east? Even Lebron said this wasn't a championship team. The mistake in trading for Love was adding expectations. They'd be more fun and interesting imo had they kept the young guys and there'd be less pressure this season.

 
The cavs internal D is atrocious. Kevin love can't guard anyone.
... But we were assured by Wolves fans just a couple of months ago that he was seriously underrated as a defender.
Yeah, but wolves fans don't know anything about good basketball so we shouldn't be surprised.
By the time of the trade, I was just trying to convince Cavs fans that it was worth giving up Wiggins & Bennett...

 
Let's pretend for a moment that the Cavs have a disappointing season. Where would Love sign?
Whole host of teams will have plenty of cap space this summer. Spurs (read Lowe's piece this week on why they didn't re-up Leonard), Knicks, Lakers, and Warriors (could make it happen if they offloaded Lee) would make the most sense from a hype/basketball persepective. Others like Boston, Philly, etc. have the space.

Put it this way, there wouldn't be a lack of suitors. He also wouldn't flat out leave Cleveland without it being a sign and trade (one reason the Warriors would be in play).

I think the bigger question is where Thompson, Waiters or Irving are getting traded to before the trade deadline. There's still a move they have to make for a top-notch perimeter defender who can shoot the 3 if they want to contend for a title.

 
Warriors looked great last night, but at some point don't you have to start considering that the Clippers have been overrated? Always lots of talk about all the talent they have, particularly since Paul got there, but it never seems to come together in any meaningful sort of way. I know it's fun to bash the Lakers and all, but I think the Clippers have been more of a disappointment over the last couple of years.

 
Man, the Lakers/Kobe hate is strong in here. I have no idea what most of that subtitle means expect that some of you are way to obsessed with Lakers/Kobe. I'm not that good at math, but couldn't you shorten that whole thing to like "Kobe 38"?
Before yesterdays games, Kobe had missed more shots than all but 3 players had taken so far this season. (Harden, Griffin, Melo).Let that one sink in.

 
If Kevin Love keeps sucking this badly, this whole Lebron/Cavs things is going to be short lived. Sorry Cavs fans, it's a bummer that Lebron felt the need to cripple your organization a 2nd time just when things were trending upwards again.

 
Warriors looked great last night, but at some point don't you have to start considering that the Clippers have been overrated? Always lots of talk about all the talent they have, particularly since Paul got there, but it never seems to come together in any meaningful sort of way. I know it's fun to bash the Lakers and all, but I think the Clippers have been more of a disappointment over the last couple of years.
Bit of both, IMO. Clips don't look nearly as good as they did last year. I'm not sure if they were overrated last year, but I think they have some real problems.

 
Warriors looked great last night, but at some point don't you have to start considering that the Clippers have been overrated? Always lots of talk about all the talent they have, particularly since Paul got there, but it never seems to come together in any meaningful sort of way. I know it's fun to bash the Lakers and all, but I think the Clippers have been more of a disappointment over the last couple of years.
Bit of both, IMO. Clips don't look nearly as good as they did last year. I'm not sure if they were overrated last year, but I think they have some real problems.
To be fair, GS is a bad matchup for them as the Clippers wings haven't been good so far (Redick's just been horrible).

GS is also just very good. Iggy and Livingston off the bench are two of the best 6th and 7th men out there and that doesn't even get into the fact Lee's been a non-factor so far and is out again.

 
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Any way to start a secret NBA thread that Todem doesn't know about
I can't believe how damn condescending some of you can be.

It's pretty disappointing. I get you may think my opinions on this sport are nuts....but believe it or not I have been watching this game probably as long as all of you and understand the game quite well. You may not agree with some of my opinions but ### #### people...do you have to be so freaking rude about it? It's not like I am a Johnny come lately in this community.

But.....if you really can't stand reading my posts. Please..put me on ignore because I have plenty on my ignore list. It's a beautiful feature. If not...give me a break. It could be worse. I could be a flat out #######....which you know I am not.
It's just a little much, is all Wizards fans hate the Cavs more than anyone. We're busting out stuff like this at the moment. And even I think you're being a little over the top.
Come on I am not going over the top. Just making some observations. Tobias, My point on Windhorst's article was I thought he was being absurd in even suggesting Lebron was not playing to really win by being passive, sitting at the end of the bench, staying out of the offense in the second half etc. I think he is being crazy and reaching already.

That's all.

And yeah I am embellishing a bit on the Cav's early season stumbles....but come on now. When Miami struggled early in 10/11 the sky was falling in the national media, Spo is going to be fired blah blah...you know the drill.
Most people hated the Hea't and rooted against them. I sense you are the head honcho of a much smaller gang rooting very hard against the Cavs.

insane.
FYP

 
Warriors looked great last night, but at some point don't you have to start considering that the Clippers have been overrated? Always lots of talk about all the talent they have, particularly since Paul got there, but it never seems to come together in any meaningful sort of way. I know it's fun to bash the Lakers and all, but I think the Clippers have been more of a disappointment over the last couple of years.
Bit of both, IMO. Clips don't look nearly as good as they did last year. I'm not sure if they were overrated last year, but I think they have some real problems.
To be fair, GS is a bad matchup for them as the Clippers wings haven't been good so far (Redick's just been horrible).

GS is also just very good. Iggy and Livingston off the bench are two of the best 6th and 7th men out there and that doesn't even get into the fact Lee's been a non-factor so far and is out again.
The hockey line substitutions would actually work this year.

 
Warriors looked great last night, but at some point don't you have to start considering that the Clippers have been overrated? Always lots of talk about all the talent they have, particularly since Paul got there, but it never seems to come together in any meaningful sort of way. I know it's fun to bash the Lakers and all, but I think the Clippers have been more of a disappointment over the last couple of years.
Bit of both, IMO. Clips don't look nearly as good as they did last year. I'm not sure if they were overrated last year, but I think they have some real problems.
To be fair, GS is a bad matchup for them as the Clippers wings haven't been good so far (Redick's just been horrible).

GS is also just very good. Iggy and Livingston off the bench are two of the best 6th and 7th men out there and that doesn't even get into the fact Lee's been a non-factor so far and is out again.
It's not just this GS game though. They've been lackluster all 4 games this season. They were lucky to get out of the 1st round last season against a banged up GS squad. How good a team are you if you're starting Reddick and Barnes? It's great that Griffin is developing a jumper, but is it coming at the expense of having any sort of inside game on offense as a team? They're struggling with rebounding. And Chris Paul has yet to get the job done when it counts as a pro. As a perennial top 5 guy, you'd like to see him get closer to being in the finals than he has.

 
Even more fun, how many shots does Kobe take this year?

Currently averaging 24.4 a game... If he plays 82 (which he obviously won't), I think he can be the first player (excluding himself) to take over 2k FGs in a season in 22 years.

 
In the pantheon of Cavs to hate early, how about Kyrie and his 44 minutes without an assist last night?
To be fair the team did have 6 assists last night. I didn't watch the game, but if Irving has the ball, I'm doing everything in my power on the opposing team to make him or any non-LeBron, non-Love player be the one to take the shot. If that means Irving goes to the rim continually, so be it.

That's what Cleveland has to figure out how to resolve. Simple pick and rolls won't work and it takes time to get the off the ball movement and spacing down to where they can run sets and looks off the initial pick and roll. It takes awhile to figure that out especially with 2 young (some would say hard-headed) guards.

 
In the pantheon of Cavs to hate early, how about Kyrie and his 44 minutes without an assist last night?
To be fair the team did have 6 assists last night. I didn't watch the game, but if Irving has the ball, I'm doing everything in my power on the opposing team to make him or any non-LeBron, non-Love player be the one to take the shot. If that means Irving goes to the rim continually, so be it.

That's what Cleveland has to figure out how to resolve. Simple pick and rolls won't work and it takes time to get the off the ball movement and spacing down to where they can run sets and looks off the initial pick and roll. It takes awhile to figure that out especially with 2 young (some would say hard-headed) guards.
This is where Blatt comes in. Earn your paycheck. Figure it out...or your fired.

This is where Spolstra was great and the novice casual NBA fan had zero clue about. He is a real deal coach who understands how to get the most out of his personel. Let's see how Blatt responds and get's this team playing and check in at mid season. If they are a ho hum team all year and do not meet expectations which quite frankly....what are they within the organization? I can see a change as early as next season at head coach. Lebron is no spring chicken.

A knowledgeable Cavs fan please clarify, what are the internal expectations this year for this team. Is it an Eastern Conference crown at a minimum?

 
Haven't been able to watch many games yet this season but LBJ has to be up to something. I kind of believe the narrative that he is passive aggressively teaching the young guys to play "his" way. We're talking about a guy who averages 6.9 AST per game for his entire career. He did it with less talent and terrible offensive game plan in his previous stint with the Cavs. There's no way a team with LBJ playing without ulterior motives has 6 AST as an entire team.

It has to be his passive aggressive way of showing the young pups who really matters.

 
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More Cousins technicals or Laker wins?
:softball:

More team assists for the Lakers or shots for Kobe?
More wins: 76ers or Lakers
No trolling but I'd take the 6ers
I'd have to agree, mostly because they play in the East.
Down the stretch, I don't think Kobe can reign in his desire to put up points against bad teams. Whereas I think every Sixer will be all-in on the tank.

 
RN already cover the events that will unfold should the Lakers reach 47 wins?? :oldunsure:

Incentive I'll let Cliff determine appropriate title changes should they be warranted.

 
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More Cousins technicals or Laker wins?
:softball:

More team assists for the Lakers or shots for Kobe?
More wins: 76ers or Lakers
No trolling but I'd take the 6ers
I'd have to agree, mostly because they play in the East.
Down the stretch, I don't think Kobe can reign in his desire to put up points against bad teams. Whereas I think every Sixer will be all-in on the tank.
I'm not totally certain of which of your scenarios leads to more losses, but I think it might be option 1.

 
More Cousins technicals or Laker wins?
:softball:

More team assists for the Lakers or shots for Kobe?
More wins: 76ers or Lakers
No trolling but I'd take the 6ers
I'd have to agree, mostly because they play in the East.
Down the stretch, I don't think Kobe can reign in his desire to put up points against bad teams. Whereas I think every Sixer will be all-in on the tank.
I'm not totally certain of which of your scenarios leads to more losses, but I think it might be option 1.
I think that's probably only true if the bad teams are trying to win. Those ones won't be, and Kobe will find a new way to screw things up for his team's future while inflating his ego.

 

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