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Cliff Clavin
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Sammy3469
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Cliff Clavin
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TobiasFunke
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The Wizards are falling apart at the seams. At this point I'm actually rooting for the Cavs, because the Bulls are a better matchup in the 4-5 and also because yet another first round playoff exit at the hands of a LeBron-led Cavs team would be the worst.
Sammy3469
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Well Chicago has a month now to get things turned around and healthy. After this 3 game road trip, besides for a 1 day jaunt to Detroit, they're home for 3 weeks (Feb 9 - March 5th). That give them a ton of time to get healthy and work on things.
Juxtatarot
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Poor Hassan...wasting away his talents in South Beach.
24/20 on 12/13 from the field with 2 blocks. Plus, an effect on many shots around the basket. Too bad the Heat has little chance of keeping him past next season. He'll be an unrestricted free agent in 2016. He's the only reason many Heat fans even turn on the game.
Raider Nation
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Craig_MiamiFL
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Too bad Heat didnt stumble upon Hasaan last year. He's everything (and a whole lot more) that they wanted Oden to be.
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sjslacker
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msudaisy26
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In a way it serves Miami right for over reacting to Lebron leaving. They should have let Bosh and Wade walk and blew it up. Instead they over paid both those guys and now are probably going to lose their best young asset, while being first round fodder for the next 3 or 4 years.
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Encyclopedia Brown
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Great shot by Mayo at the end of the 4th quarter. He took it to the bank, bromigo.
mr fancypants
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Curry's 26 point 3rd Quarter against Dallas was the 2nd highest point Qtr this season in the NBA behind Klay's 37 point barrage against the Kings. Curry's 51pts came in 37 minutes of playing time.
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Sammy3469
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Um...he's on a 2 year minimum contract with Bosh on an old max deal and Wade on a 2 year contract and everyone else off contract by 2016-7. Wade and McBob are literally the only guys on contract for that season. Signing/not signing Wade and Bosh has nothing to do with why they may or may not lose Whiteside. They may lose Whiteside though because they won't have his Bird Rights making him an UFA free to sign with anyone. It's the same bet KJ McDaniels made with Philly.
Bobcat10
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fantasycurse42
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That game was unreal... I originally bet the under. There were like 72 or 75 points in the first quarter. At halftime, the second half line was 229 (easiest over ever). By the end of the third quarter the O/U was 254!!
No. 16
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As fun as that game was can't wait until tomorrow against the Hawks. I think the Dubs should win it easily.fantasycurse42 said:
Both teams play similar style, but the Warriors just have better personnel. Atlanta's advantage over the Dubs is thier big men, but Bogut and Green are defensive studs. Bogs has length on Horford and Green can guard Millsap all the way out to the 3 point line.
The backcourt talent should speak for itself. It will probably be another high scoring game like vs. the Mavs. Dubs win by 10 and reclaim the #1 spot in power rankings.
TobiasFunke
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Not sure what you mean here. Atlanta is only 16th in pace of play, the Warriors are #1 by a mile.
As for the analysis, I agree with most of it and would pick GSW without hesitation in a seven game series, but this is one game in Atlanta. My guess is the line is close to a pick, and Atlanta might even give a point or so.
Regardless, definitely the best game of the season to date IMO. Crazy that it's not on national TV, not even NBATV.
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Cliff Clavin
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Kev4029
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Not that I'm opposed to this, but what is the point of even having conferences if the playoffs aren't recognizing the conferences anyway? The conference alignment only penalizes the teams in the west in this set up.
Capella
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The article I read said division champs would automatically get in and then seed them all after with no respect to conferences.
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Cliff Clavin
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Rafael Araujo would take your stack. He entered the league 3 years older than Rivers and destroyed Rivers in almost every category. WS48 was -.013. Career PER of 6.3 as a PF which is generally kind to bigs. And he was a higher pick than Rivers (8 vs 10).
fantasycurse42
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msudaisy26
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The stats probably don't back it up, but the Hawks and Pistons got a lot better when he left.
Gr00vus
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Kev4029
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So how much has this Cavs resurgence been driven by the trades and how much is it from Lebron deciding he wants to play (averaging 28, 7ast, 6reb and playing defense since his return from injury)? Obviously both have helped, but I'm surprised how helpful Mozgov and JR have been. The upgrade from Waiters who thought he was a star to JR who has been content being the 3rd or 4th option is huge, he's become almost strictly a spot up shooter.
Kev4029
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John Salmons in the back end of his career. Kendrick Perkins since they decided to keep him rather than Harden.
Nikolai Tskitishvili takes the cake for worst player ever to get over 1000 minutes played in a season. He shot .294 from the field in his rookie season, the only player to do that in more than 1000 minutes since 60-61. For his career he shot .304, had a PER of 5.2, had a rebound rate of 9.2% for a 7 footer, and couldn't guard anybody.
Bruce Dickinson
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Went 1.05 in the draft, too. This wasn't some undrafted Euro who was signed to occupy the end of the bench or simulate opponents during practice. He was expected to start and contribute right away.Kev4029 said:
Kev4029
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To be fair to Kiki Vanderweghe, I really wanted Dejuan Wagner with that pick and he ended up being nearly as worthless. On the other hand, I don't think any of the Nuggets' staff ever saw Tskitishvili in person prior to the draft and had very limited tape on him. Vanderweghe was an idiot.
Captain Quinoa
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The trades have been huge - even better than they imagined I think. Especially Mozgov. His presence in the lane has made a huge difference in their defense, plus he can run the floor and already is showing chemistry on offense with Lebron. Smith has been exactly what they hoped - like you said willing to spot up and wait for his chances. His size and effort on D compared to Waiters have been a bonus too.Kev4029 said:
Lebron is definitely rejuvenated mentally and physically since his two weeks off. Coming back to a team that can shoot and actually tries on defense certainly helps. Even Kyrie has figured out that defense isn't so terrible if you try a little. Limiting opposing PGs has been a big part of the winning streak.
Cliff Clavin
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Vesely stacks up quite well statistically, relatively speaking. Career PER over 10. Positive WS48. Two seasons with WS above 1.5.
TobiasFunke
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That was the first name that popped into my head too! In fact I went to check his B-R page when I saw this discussion. Surprisingly mediocre, certainly no Tskitishvili. Boosted by the fact that he was such a bad shooter that he almost never shot except for putbacks and dunks, resulting in a >50% shooting percentage. Stats can't really measure the damage a PF with less range than my 2 year old daughter does to spacing. Also has decent steal and shotblock per 36 numbers.
Sammy3469
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I always liked the moves and thought Mozgov would be a slight improvement on the defensive end (Cleveland was always an decent defensive team with Thompson on the court for Varejao so it shouldn't be too shocking that they are playing even better D with a real C in the lineup).
It's the combo of Smith and Mozgov on offense that has really been striking. Mozgov moves extremely well without the ball, both in flashing for the ball when needed, but more importantly creating space for the other 4 guys when needed. He's just good enough on offense with the ball that the other C has to respect him when he moves. With Smith in either corner that basically allows LeBron, Kyrie, and Love to play 3v3 or 2v2 however they want. Their offense has become what everyone thought it would at the beginning of the season.
Yeah there apparently is a disconnect between the numbers on him and eye test. If the stats say that he helped the Wizards win 3 games or whatever over two seasons, then I submit the numbers are broken.
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