*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (6 Viewers)

[Bobcat10]

Speaking of doubles, I never noticed the double dots til tonight for Shruder. Thought he was always Schroder, like Ricky.

 

[Instinctive]

Man Dallas is playing poorly right now. Just turning the ball over constantly. Three straight games they could have won, two on the road that came down to just inbounding the damn ball.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Bulls were lucky to come out with a win, Rose was inefficient going 13-33 from the field with 1 assist, 11 turnovers? That is Kyrie Irving type numbers. Good thing the Bulls really worked the Warriors down low. Meanwhile the Bulls big men, Gasol with 8 assists and Noah with 6. I'd like to see Rose attack the rim more and dish to his teammates.

Irvings TO high for the year is 8. He did that 2 times.Rose is at 3.3 TO per gamne for the year, 3.4 for January. 2.5 throwing out the 11 game.

Irving is at 4.0 TO per game for the year, 2.7 for January. 2.1 throwing out that game.

Month over month Irving is trending down in TO's per game and Rose is going up.

4.0 was for October (2 games). He's at 2.3 for the year. Also 2.3 A/TO vs Rose's 1.47

Also shooting .466 overall and .397 on 3s. Rose is .416/.313.

Yeah, the race for fourth-best PG in the East isn't really that close.

ETA: Sorry, fifth-best PG in the East. Apologies to Brandon Knight.

Update?

Double nickel. Your move, B Knight. Lulz

Withdrawn.

Hey, at least I only shared my opinion of Irving with you all. Simmons basically said the same thing on his podcast yesterday, right before he put up that ridiculous game. What a show.

 

[Kev4029]

Anthony Davis is on pace to have the highest PER in the history of the NBA and he is currently more than 4 points higher than Harden who has the second highest PER. Its too bad that the team around him is pretty much a joke.

 

[Gr00vus]

Cousins gets a bull#### 4th foul call midway through the 3rd in a tie game. Raptors immediately go up by 20.

How did he end up with 9 turnovers?

 

[TobiasFunke]

So Thibs is fighting back about the heavy minutes he gives his starters.

It always amazes me that someone can be so bright about some aspects of the game and so clearly wrong/stubborn about others. Pointing to Phil Jackson's success when giving starter's heavy minutes ignores the obvious fact that sports strategy evolves over time. It would be like a baseball manager barely using the bullpen and saying "if it was good enough for Casey Stengel it's good enough for me!" And using Pau Gasol as his example of a Jackson success story is a particularly weird choice considering what happened to Gasol in LA after Jackson left.

 

[Poke_4_Life]

Thunder fan here... ready to blow it up. Need a new coach next year and to get rid of Jackson for whatever they can get. Maybe even make a bigger move by dangling Ibaka too. Scotty has lost the team and too many players playing like crap.

 

[SWC]

is there really a chance that tibs leaves the bulls in the offseason that would just sort of be crazy he has such a good win percentage despite tons of injuries i predict if tehy do that they will be cursed like the cubs and have a hondo years of bad luck take that to teh bank brohans

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Cousins gets a bull#### 4th foul call midway through the 3rd in a tie game. Raptors immediately go up by 20.

How did he end up with 9 turnovers?

Lots and lots of double teams, Chuck Hayes and a few bad passes.

 

[Juxtatarot]

So Thibs is fighting back about the heavy minutes he gives his starters.

It always amazes me that someone can be so bright about some aspects of the game and so clearly wrong/stubborn about others. Pointing to Phil Jackson's success when giving starter's heavy minutes ignores the obvious fact that sports strategy evolves over time. It would be like a baseball manager barely using the bullpen and saying "if it was good enough for Casey Stengel it's good enough for me!" And using Pau Gasol as his example of a Jackson success story is a particularly weird choice considering what happened to Gasol in LA after Jackson left.

I've stayed on the fence with this issue. Is there much statistical evidence that a younger, fit player like a Luol Deng or a Jimmy Butler plays better at 35 minutes per game than 40 minutes? In baseball these things are much easier to measure statistically.

 

[Kev4029]

Thunder fan here... ready to blow it up. Need a new coach next year and to get rid of Jackson for whatever they can get. Maybe even make a bigger move by dangling Ibaka too. Scotty has lost the team and too many players playing like crap.

Blow it up? They just need a new coach and a bit stronger bench.

ETA: Apparently the Nuggets and Thunder had a trade worked out for Reggie Jackson and OKC bailed at the last second.

 

[Juxtatarot]

is there really a chance that tibs leaves the bulls in the offseason that would just sort of be crazy he has such a good win percentage despite tons of injuries i predict if tehy do that they will be cursed like the cubs and have a hondo years of bad luck take that to teh bank brohans

He is under contract so he would have to be fired or resign. If the Bulls are relatively healthy down the stretch but continue to underperform, I certainly wouldn't be surprised if they part ways. It's no secret that Thibs and GM Gar Forman don't have the healthiest of relationships.

 

[TobiasFunke]

So Thibs is fighting back about the heavy minutes he gives his starters.

It always amazes me that someone can be so bright about some aspects of the game and so clearly wrong/stubborn about others. Pointing to Phil Jackson's success when giving starter's heavy minutes ignores the obvious fact that sports strategy evolves over time. It would be like a baseball manager barely using the bullpen and saying "if it was good enough for Casey Stengel it's good enough for me!" And using Pau Gasol as his example of a Jackson success story is a particularly weird choice considering what happened to Gasol in LA after Jackson left.

I've stayed on the fence with this issue. Is there much statistical evidence that a younger, fit player like a Luol Deng or a Jimmy Butler plays better at 35 minutes per game than 40 minutes? In baseball these things are much easier to measure statistically.

That's a good point, we don't have mountains of data that we can easily analyze they way we can with something like bullpen vs starter ERA in baseball. But the league is moving that direction pretty much across the board except in Chicago, which should at least be enough to make you wonder.

Also, my criticism of Thibs here isn't necessarily his conclusion, but his reasoning. It's meaningless that Jackson succeeded while playing his key guys 40 mpg in the regular season, because he did so in an environment where everyone played their stars 40 mpg in the regular season. There was no competitive advantage to be gained or lost.

 

[Sammy3469]

So Thibs is fighting back about the heavy minutes he gives his starters.

It always amazes me that someone can be so bright about some aspects of the game and so clearly wrong/stubborn about others. Pointing to Phil Jackson's success when giving starter's heavy minutes ignores the obvious fact that sports strategy evolves over time. It would be like a baseball manager barely using the bullpen and saying "if it was good enough for Casey Stengel it's good enough for me!" And using Pau Gasol as his example of a Jackson success story is a particularly weird choice considering what happened to Gasol in LA after Jackson left.

I've stayed on the fence with this issue. Is there much statistical evidence that a younger, fit player like a Luol Deng or a Jimmy Butler plays better at 35 minutes per game than 40 minutes? In baseball these things are much easier to measure statistically.

That's a good point, we don't have mountains of data that we can easily analyze they way we can with something like bullpen vs starter ERA in baseball. But the league is moving that direction pretty much across the board except in Chicago, which should at least be enough to make you wonder.

Also, my criticism of Thibs here isn't necessarily his conclusion, but his reasoning. It's meaningless that Jackson succeeded while playing his key guys 40 mpg in the regular season, because he did so in an environment where everyone played their stars 40 mpg in the regular season. There was no competitive advantage to be gained or lost.

I'm sure some of the more statistically advanced teams have done studies, etc. I do know there's a whole lot of sports science research on intervals and how to optimally train. The research shows that the longer you keep going after failing on the interval, your performance drops quickly on that interval and all efforts after that interval are also hampered until you are fully rested.

Thibs is basically arguing 10 minute basketball intervals don't cause players to go over their thresholds. I mean I guess that's conceivable for some (these are world class athletes afterall), but with the sprinting involved, it's a pretty absurd position to take for an entire starting lineup.

Edit: and FWIW, I do know teams like the Mavs track some of their players bio-numbers in workouts, so they have a pretty good idea the amount/types of efforts their guys can do before their performance starts to falter.

 

[Poke_4_Life]

Thunder fan here... ready to blow it up. Need a new coach next year and to get rid of Jackson for whatever they can get. Maybe even make a bigger move by dangling Ibaka too. Scotty has lost the team and too many players playing like crap.

Blow it up? They just need a new coach and a bit stronger bench.

ETA: Apparently the Nuggets and Thunder had a trade worked out for Reggie Jackson and OKC bailed at the last second.

Maybe blow it up was too strong a phrase. But I think everyone on the team except KD and Westbrook should be available for the right pieces. Scotty has lost the team and the way Ibaka is playing won't cut it. He looks like himself about 30% of the time and the rest of the time he's absent. Guys need a wake up call, making a trade involving Ibaka should put the fear of God into a few of them.

I'm firmly into tanking now. Maybe KD will sit the rest of the season.

 

[thecatch]

Thunder fan here... ready to blow it up. Need a new coach next year and to get rid of Jackson for whatever they can get. Maybe even make a bigger move by dangling Ibaka too. Scotty has lost the team and too many players playing like crap.

Blow it up? They just need a new coach and a bit stronger bench.

ETA: Apparently the Nuggets and Thunder had a trade worked out for Reggie Jackson and OKC bailed at the last second.

Maybe blow it up was too strong a phrase. But I think everyone on the team except KD and Westbrook should be available for the right pieces. Scotty has lost the team and the way Ibaka is playing won't cut it. He looks like himself about 30% of the time and the rest of the time he's absent. Guys need a wake up call, making a trade involving Ibaka should put the fear of God into a few of them.

I'm firmly into tanking now. Maybe KD will sit the rest of the season.

Might as well deal Durant now before he goes to DC as a free agent after next year.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Thunder fan here... ready to blow it up. Need a new coach next year and to get rid of Jackson for whatever they can get. Maybe even make a bigger move by dangling Ibaka too. Scotty has lost the team and too many players playing like crap.

Blow it up? They just need a new coach and a bit stronger bench.

ETA: Apparently the Nuggets and Thunder had a trade worked out for Reggie Jackson and OKC bailed at the last second.

Maybe blow it up was too strong a phrase. But I think everyone on the team except KD and Westbrook should be available for the right pieces. Scotty has lost the team and the way Ibaka is playing won't cut it. He looks like himself about 30% of the time and the rest of the time he's absent. Guys need a wake up call, making a trade involving Ibaka should put the fear of God into a few of them.

I'm firmly into tanking now. Maybe KD will sit the rest of the season.

Might as well deal Durant now before he goes to DC as a free agent after next year.

Durant for Nene, Otto Porter and the 2015 and 2017 picks. Everyone wins. Let's make it happen.

 

[Poke_4_Life]

Thunder fan here... ready to blow it up. Need a new coach next year and to get rid of Jackson for whatever they can get. Maybe even make a bigger move by dangling Ibaka too. Scotty has lost the team and too many players playing like crap.

Blow it up? They just need a new coach and a bit stronger bench.

ETA: Apparently the Nuggets and Thunder had a trade worked out for Reggie Jackson and OKC bailed at the last second.

Maybe blow it up was too strong a phrase. But I think everyone on the team except KD and Westbrook should be available for the right pieces. Scotty has lost the team and the way Ibaka is playing won't cut it. He looks like himself about 30% of the time and the rest of the time he's absent. Guys need a wake up call, making a trade involving Ibaka should put the fear of God into a few of them.

I'm firmly into tanking now. Maybe KD will sit the rest of the season.

Might as well deal Durant now before he goes to DC as a free agent after next year.

Durant for Nene, Otto Porter and the 2015 and 2017 picks. Everyone wins. Let's make it happen.

How's about this trade w/ the Pacers.

West, Hill, Scola for Ibaka, Perkins, and Jackson. If my math is right the salaries work.

 

[Sammy3469]

How about Scottie Brooks for a pair of Brooks shoes?

 

[Poke_4_Life]

How about Scottie Brooks for a pair of Brooks shoes?

Done.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Thunder fan here... ready to blow it up. Need a new coach next year and to get rid of Jackson for whatever they can get. Maybe even make a bigger move by dangling Ibaka too. Scotty has lost the team and too many players playing like crap.

Blow it up? They just need a new coach and a bit stronger bench.ETA: Apparently the Nuggets and Thunder had a trade worked out for Reggie Jackson and OKC bailed at the last second.

Maybe blow it up was too strong a phrase. But I think everyone on the team except KD and Westbrook should be available for the right pieces. Scotty has lost the team and the way Ibaka is playing won't cut it. He looks like himself about 30% of the time and the rest of the time he's absent. Guys need a wake up call, making a trade involving Ibaka should put the fear of God into a few of them. I'm firmly into tanking now. Maybe KD will sit the rest of the season.

Might as well deal Durant now before he goes to DC as a free agent after next year.

Durant for Nene, Otto Porter and the 2015 and 2017 picks. Everyone wins. Let's make it happen.

How's about this trade w/ the Pacers.West, Hill, Scola for Ibaka, Perkins, and Jackson. If my math is right the salaries work.

That is awesome... for the Pacers.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Thunder fan here... ready to blow it up. Need a new coach next year and to get rid of Jackson for whatever they can get. Maybe even make a bigger move by dangling Ibaka too. Scotty has lost the team and too many players playing like crap.

Blow it up? They just need a new coach and a bit stronger bench.ETA: Apparently the Nuggets and Thunder had a trade worked out for Reggie Jackson and OKC bailed at the last second.

Maybe blow it up was too strong a phrase. But I think everyone on the team except KD and Westbrook should be available for the right pieces. Scotty has lost the team and the way Ibaka is playing won't cut it. He looks like himself about 30% of the time and the rest of the time he's absent. Guys need a wake up call, making a trade involving Ibaka should put the fear of God into a few of them. I'm firmly into tanking now. Maybe KD will sit the rest of the season.

Might as well deal Durant now before he goes to DC as a free agent after next year.

Durant for Nene, Otto Porter and the 2015 and 2017 picks. Everyone wins. Let's make it happen.

How's about this trade w/ the Pacers.West, Hill, Scola for Ibaka, Perkins, and Jackson. If my math is right the salaries work.

That is awesome... for the Pacers.

Unless OKC has just soured that much on Ibaka, I can't see them doing this.

Perkins is finally a FA after the season so he's off the books. Jackson is a FA, but then you're taking on $8 mil/yr 2 seasons after this with Hill (which he's not close to being worth). I'd rather pay $12 mil/yr for 26 & 27 age seasons of Ibaka than pay West $12 mil for his age 35 season

 

[Kev4029]

Thunder fan here... ready to blow it up. Need a new coach next year and to get rid of Jackson for whatever they can get. Maybe even make a bigger move by dangling Ibaka too. Scotty has lost the team and too many players playing like crap.

Blow it up? They just need a new coach and a bit stronger bench.ETA: Apparently the Nuggets and Thunder had a trade worked out for Reggie Jackson and OKC bailed at the last second.

Maybe blow it up was too strong a phrase. But I think everyone on the team except KD and Westbrook should be available for the right pieces. Scotty has lost the team and the way Ibaka is playing won't cut it. He looks like himself about 30% of the time and the rest of the time he's absent. Guys need a wake up call, making a trade involving Ibaka should put the fear of God into a few of them. I'm firmly into tanking now. Maybe KD will sit the rest of the season.

Might as well deal Durant now before he goes to DC as a free agent after next year.

Durant for Nene, Otto Porter and the 2015 and 2017 picks. Everyone wins. Let's make it happen.

How's about this trade w/ the Pacers.West, Hill, Scola for Ibaka, Perkins, and Jackson. If my math is right the salaries work.

That is awesome... for the Pacers.

Unless OKC has just soured that much on Ibaka, I can't see them doing this.

Perkins is finally a FA after the season so he's off the books. Jackson is a FA, but then you're taking on $8 mil/yr 2 seasons after this with Hill (which he's not close to being worth). I'd rather pay $12 mil/yr for 26 & 27 age seasons of Ibaka than pay West $12 mil for his age 35 season

I'd rather pay $12M/Yr for Ibaka's age 26 and 27 years than I would any of West's years. An elite defender at the 4 who can finish at the hoop and hit jumpers is a rare specimen.

 

[Capella]

The Magic have flat out quit on Vaughn. Honestly I'll be a little surprised if he isn't fired tomorrow.

 

[No. 16]

Yah trading Ibaka is stupid. The team just needs to replace Brooks.

 

[Britney Spears]

Thunder fan here... ready to blow it up. Need a new coach next year and to get rid of Jackson for whatever they can get. Maybe even make a bigger move by dangling Ibaka too. Scotty has lost the team and too many players playing like crap.

Blow it up? They just need a new coach and a bit stronger bench.ETA: Apparently the Nuggets and Thunder had a trade worked out for Reggie Jackson and OKC bailed at the last second.

Maybe blow it up was too strong a phrase. But I think everyone on the team except KD and Westbrook should be available for the right pieces. Scotty has lost the team and the way Ibaka is playing won't cut it. He looks like himself about 30% of the time and the rest of the time he's absent. Guys need a wake up call, making a trade involving Ibaka should put the fear of God into a few of them. I'm firmly into tanking now. Maybe KD will sit the rest of the season.

Might as well deal Durant now before he goes to DC as a free agent after next year.

Durant for Nene, Otto Porter and the 2015 and 2017 picks. Everyone wins. Let's make it happen.

How's about this trade w/ the Pacers.West, Hill, Scola for Ibaka, Perkins, and Jackson. If my math is right the salaries work.

Let's do this!

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Bryant and Wade likely out with injury for All Star Game.

Hope they rightfully name Lillard and Korver.

 

[SWC]

nice win to end a long losing streak in orlando florida for the bucks tonight brohans take that to the bank

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Rose. So terrible.

Bulls going absolutely nowhere with his 1-on-1 bull####. Thought he'd be able to adjust his game a bit and be a more conventional PG. Safe to say was wrong there.

 

[StrikeS2k]

Brent Barry is horrible. Ugh.

 

[Paulymaggs]

Do you Kings have much of a chance of turning things around? I wanted the Bulls to get their pick (top 10 protected) but recently it doesn't seem like that's going to happen.

No. The unexplained firing of Malone took all the mojo out of them. They were playing like a playoff team for the first month and since then they have looked like every other Kings team from the past 8 years. Fans are protesting by not showing up - it has quickly deteriorated into a bad scene.

Should've just moved to Seattle.

 

[Village Idiot]

Cliff please change the title to "Rose Goes Kobe on Lakers".

Stellar 7 for 26 effort for 17 points.

But at least he was 1-7 from 3.

I know it was double OT but 49 minutes for Butler?

Is Thibs trying to Deng him?

 

[TobiasFunke]

Nobody needs a reminder that Boogie is the greatest and that Clay Travis is a huge dooshbag. But this is still pretty great.

 

[Sammy3469]

JACQUE VAUGHN WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111111111111111

The Orlando Magic are on the verge of firing head coach Jacque Vaughn, according to league sources.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12252913/orlando-magic-verge-firing-coach-jacque-vaughn-sources-say

 

[Gr00vus]

Nobody needs a reminder that Boogie is the greatest and that Clay Travis is a huge dooshbag. But this is still pretty great.

BOOGIE!!!

 

[TobiasFunke]

Nobody needs a reminder that Boogie is the greatest and that Clay Travis is a huge dooshbag. But this is still pretty great.

BOOGIE!!!

Big day for Boogie:

Marc SteinVerified account ‏@ESPNSteinLine

ESPN sources DeMarcus Cousins will be announced today as a Western Conference All-Star via injury replacement for Kobe Bryant

 

[thecatch]

Nobody needs a reminder that Boogie is the greatest and that Clay Travis is a huge dooshbag. But this is still pretty great.

BOOGIE!!!

Big day for Boogie:

Marc SteinVerified account ‏@ESPNSteinLine

ESPN sources DeMarcus Cousins will be announced today as a Western Conference All-Star via injury replacement for Kobe Bryant

Unreal that he didn't make it initially. But it's also insane that Lillard isn't on the team. The Western Conference is rough.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Nobody needs a reminder that Boogie is the greatest and that Clay Travis is a huge dooshbag. But this is still pretty great.

BOOGIE!!!

Big day for Boogie:

Marc SteinVerified account ‏@ESPNSteinLine

ESPN sources DeMarcus Cousins will be announced today as a Western Conference All-Star via injury replacement for Kobe Bryant

Unreal that he didn't make it initially. But it's also insane that Lillard isn't on the team. The Western Conference is rough.

Hard to really complain about any of it. I personally would have left Durant off there, but that's more about what you think the criteria should be.

I don't understand why they don't at least expand the rosters to 13. Why are their fewer players on the active roster for an exhibition where you don't want anyone playing heavy minutes than for a normal regular season game? Makes no sense. Make it 13 or even 15 and you kill two birds with one stone.

 

[msudaisy26]

Am I the only one that thinks D. Wade isn't an All-Star this year?

 

[TobiasFunke]

Am I the only one that thinks D. Wade isn't an All-Star this year?

I'd put him in the same boat as Durant. Clearly an all-star if look at his numbers in the games he played, so it depends how much you want to dock him for games missed.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Am I the only one that thinks D. Wade isn't an All-Star this year?

Nope. Should be replaced by Korver.

 

[msudaisy26]

Am I the only one that thinks D. Wade isn't an All-Star this year?

Nope. Should be replaced by Korver.

I was thinking Vucevic, but okay.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I think you guys are underselling Wade. He's been pretty freaking good this year. Leads all East guards in PER. Third among SGs in the full league, just a hair behind Klay Thompson for second. I've been the biggest Korver advocate in this thread for a while now and I'd give Wade the edge. Korver should get Melo's spot.

 

[GOB]

JACQUE VAUGHN WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111111111111111

The Orlando Magic are on the verge of firing head coach Jacque Vaughn, according to league sources.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12252913/orlando-magic-verge-firing-coach-jacque-vaughn-sources-say

I'm sure Cappy will love this but I'm not sure about doing it midseason when clearly Orlando is trying to build some chemistry and confidence.Bottom line, Vaughn wasn't the guy to win championships so it had to be done. Who are they going to hire? Patrick Ewing lol.

 

[Premier]

I am hoping they hire Thibs when Chicago is stupid enough to fire him this summer.

 

[Jack White]

Cliff please change the title to "Rose Goes Kobe on Lakers".

Stellar 7 for 26 effort for 17 points.

But at least he was 1-7 from 3.

I was saying the same thing after the GS game: too many threes, too many wild drives and flings at the hoop. And he never gets to the line anymore. Not optimistic the Bulls can win a title with him.

 

[East Coast Bias]

Attending my first NBA game tonight. Kings @ Cavs.

 

[Bobcat10]

Attending my first NBA game tonight. Kings @ Cavs.

Nice, you live here or visiting? Enjoy!

 

[Abraham]

Boogie makes it.

 

[East Coast Bias]

Attending my first NBA game tonight. Kings @ Cavs.

Nice, you live here or visiting? Enjoy!

Here 2 weeks for work.