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*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (4 Viewers)

the bradly center where the bucks play is nice for a college but not for a nba take that to the bank brohans

 
With Curry and Thompson battling in the 3 pt contest, I would be surprised if that event doesn't break viewing records this year. That will be fun.

 
Abraham said:
John wall is really good. Enjoyed that a ton.
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:thumbup:

He's definitely a guy to catch live. The speed and vision somehow don't completely translate on TV. Last night was one of his best efforts of the season, everyone else on the roster was absolute garbage and he dragged them to a W.

 
Village Idiot said:
Craig_MiamiFL said:
Nice win by Bulls at Golden State. Not even like they played well either.
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Agree.Warriors were awful from the arc 27.3%, won the TO battle 13-21, but got killed on the boards.

Warriors put up 15 more shots too, wow.
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All roads to the chip go through Bogut for the Dubs. Like I've said before.... Bulls, Spurs, and Griz scare me. Two big teams are our kryptonite. Draymond is a great defensive player but having to bang against Zbo or fight for rebounds consistently over 7 footers is hard.

Aldridge and Lopez are good, but I feel we can run Lopez off the floor. Dray can take Griffin. Ditto for HOU PF.

This game was another illustration of how useless Igoudala is. He's like Rondo....over passing because he's terrified of going to the foul line. It cost us the game down the stretch. I'd gladly trade Iggy if it meant keeping Barnes (no way Dubs are letting Draymond go). Hell of the Dubs could only dump one between Lee and Iggy, I couldn't ship Iggy out of here fast enough.

 
Is resigning Green a foregone conclusion? He could get max offers and matching those (plus increase in Klay's salary) would send GS soaring way into the luxury tax.

 
TobiasFunke said:
Cliff Clavin said:
TobiasFunke said:
Cliff Clavin said:
No. 16 said:
All roads to the chip go through Bogut for the Dubs.
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Oh come on.
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:confused:

He's hardly the first person to say that. It's a reasonable position. They'll need him healthy in the playoffs.
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Playoffs? I thought we were talking a chip?
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I see. Yes, that must be stopped immediately.
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Idk wut u guys r so mad about? Bogs is a important player for the Dubs.

 
Bulls were lucky to come out with a win, Rose was inefficient going 13-33 from the field with 1 assist, 11 turnovers? That is Kyrie Irving type numbers. Good thing the Bulls really worked the Warriors down low. Meanwhile the Bulls big men, Gasol with 8 assists and Noah with 6. I'd like to see Rose attack the rim more and dish to his teammates.

 
thecatch said:
Is resigning Green a foregone conclusion? He could get max offers and matching those (plus increase in Klay's salary) would send GS soaring way into the luxury tax.
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This off-season will tell us exactly how legitimate Lacob and company are as owners. They said before they would go over the tax to keep a championship team together... so this off season we'll get to see if they walk the walk.FWIW, Kerr recently said Draymond will be with the Warriors for the next "8 to 10 years." With the rising cap and David Lee expiring the following off-season (if we aren't able to unload him in the summer...Dubs must keep him through this year for basketball and chemistry reasons) the Dubs should be able to match a possible max offer sheet and only have to pay the tax for next year and avoid the more costly repeater tax the following years (Bogut and Iggy's deals are descending in value).

After Curry and Klay, Draymond is the most important corner stone. Bogut is more valuable this year, but Draymond defense and overall ability as a glue guy is tough to find. Outside of Anthony Davis and Aldridge, it would be hard to find someone young PF that would be an upgrade over Dray AND fit so well with The Splash Brothers. He's a must keep.

I highly doubt Lacob and Co. will go the OKC route and trade Harden.

 
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No. 16 said:
thecatch said:
Is resigning Green a foregone conclusion? He could get max offers and matching those (plus increase in Klay's salary) would send GS soaring way into the luxury tax.
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This off-season will tell us exactly how legitimate Lacob and company are as owners. They said before they would go over the tax to keep a championship team together... so this off season we'll get to see if they walk the walk.FWIW, Kerr recently said Draymond will be with the Warriors for the next "8 to 10 years." With the rising cap and David Lee expiring the following off-season (if we aren't able to unload him in the summer...Dubs must keep him through this year for basketball and chemistry reasons) the Dubs should be able to match a possible max offer sheet and only have to pay the tax for next year and avoid the more costly repeater tax the following years (Bogut and Iggy's deals are descending in value).

After Curry and Klay, Draymond is the most important corner stone. Bogut is more valuable this year, but Draymond defense and overall ability as a glue guy is tough to find. Outside of Anthony Davis and Aldridge, it would be hard to find someone young PF that would be an upgrade over Dray AND fit so well with The Splash Brothers. He's a must keep.

I highly doubt Lacob and Co. will go the OKC route and trade Harden.
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Just a question, don't have an opinion one way or the other, but is Draymond Green really considered in the same level as James Harden? Do you see him as a superstar in 2-3 years? I think he is a great player. Nice piece to have but a superstar?

Also besides AD and Aldridge I think I would rather have Griffin, Millsap and maybe Favors over Draymond right now.

 
No. 16 said:
thecatch said:
Is resigning Green a foregone conclusion? He could get max offers and matching those (plus increase in Klay's salary) would send GS soaring way into the luxury tax.
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This off-season will tell us exactly how legitimate Lacob and company are as owners. They said before they would go over the tax to keep a championship team together... so this off season we'll get to see if they walk the walk.FWIW, Kerr recently said Draymond will be with the Warriors for the next "8 to 10 years." With the rising cap and David Lee expiring the following off-season (if we aren't able to unload him in the summer...Dubs must keep him through this year for basketball and chemistry reasons) the Dubs should be able to match a possible max offer sheet and only have to pay the tax for next year and avoid the more costly repeater tax the following years (Bogut and Iggy's deals are descending in value).

After Curry and Klay, Draymond is the most important corner stone. Bogut is more valuable this year, but Draymond defense and overall ability as a glue guy is tough to find. Outside of Anthony Davis and Aldridge, it would be hard to find someone young PF that would be an upgrade over Dray AND fit so well with The Splash Brothers. He's a must keep.

I highly doubt Lacob and Co. will go the OKC route and trade Harden.
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Bogut and Iggy's deals for next year do not meaningfully decline. A max deal for Green doesn't just put them barely over the tax, it will mean they are at least $13m over the projected tax line, so you are talking a $20+ million luxury tax payment. That's big even if you are committed to winning.

The following year you get Lee off the books but Barnes needs a new deal (what that would look like I have no idea at this point).

 
Timmay said:
Bulls were lucky to come out with a win, Rose was inefficient going 13-33 from the field with 1 assist, 11 turnovers? That is Kyrie Irving type numbers. Good thing the Bulls really worked the Warriors down low. Meanwhile the Bulls big men, Gasol with 8 assists and Noah with 6. I'd like to see Rose attack the rim more and dish to his teammates.
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wouldn't every coach like to see that? the fact of the matter is that Rose hasn't been playing well this season.

 
Do you Kings have much of a chance of turning things around? I wanted the Bulls to get their pick (top 10 protected) but recently it doesn't seem like that's going to happen.

 
saintfool said:
Timmay said:
Bulls were lucky to come out with a win, Rose was inefficient going 13-33 from the field with 1 assist, 11 turnovers? That is Kyrie Irving type numbers. Good thing the Bulls really worked the Warriors down low. Meanwhile the Bulls big men, Gasol with 8 assists and Noah with 6. I'd like to see Rose attack the rim more and dish to his teammates.
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wouldn't every coach like to see that? the fact of the matter is that Rose hasn't been playing well this season.
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This. He just doesn't have the explosiveness that he used to. At least not yet.

 
Timmay said:
Bulls were lucky to come out with a win, Rose was inefficient going 13-33 from the field with 1 assist, 11 turnovers? That is Kyrie Irving type numbers. Good thing the Bulls really worked the Warriors down low. Meanwhile the Bulls big men, Gasol with 8 assists and Noah with 6. I'd like to see Rose attack the rim more and dish to his teammates.
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Irvings TO high for the year is 8. He did that 2 times.Rose is at 3.3 TO per gamne for the year, 3.4 for January. 2.5 throwing out the 11 game.

Irving is at 4.0 TO per game for the year, 2.7 for January. 2.1 throwing out that game.

Month over month Irving is trending down in TO's per game and Rose is going up.

 
Village Idiot said:
Timmay said:
Bulls were lucky to come out with a win, Rose was inefficient going 13-33 from the field with 1 assist, 11 turnovers? That is Kyrie Irving type numbers. Good thing the Bulls really worked the Warriors down low. Meanwhile the Bulls big men, Gasol with 8 assists and Noah with 6. I'd like to see Rose attack the rim more and dish to his teammates.
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Irvings TO high for the year is 8. He did that 2 times.Rose is at 3.3 TO per gamne for the year, 3.4 for January. 2.5 throwing out the 11 game.

Irving is at 4.0 TO per game for the year, 2.7 for January. 2.1 throwing out that game.

Month over month Irving is trending down in TO's per game and Rose is going up.
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4.0 was for October (2 games). He's at 2.3 for the year. Also 2.3 A/TO vs Rose's 1.47

Also shooting .466 overall and .397 on 3s. Rose is .416/.313.

 
Juxtatarot said:
Do you Kings have much of a chance of turning things around? I wanted the Bulls to get their pick (top 10 protected) but recently it doesn't seem like that's going to happen.
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No. The unexplained firing of Malone took all the mojo out of them. They were playing like a playoff team for the first month and since then they have looked like every other Kings team from the past 8 years. Fans are protesting by not showing up - it has quickly deteriorated into a bad scene.

 
Timmay said:
No. 16 said:
thecatch said:
Is resigning Green a foregone conclusion? He could get max offers and matching those (plus increase in Klay's salary) would send GS soaring way into the luxury tax.
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This off-season will tell us exactly how legitimate Lacob and company are as owners. They said before they would go over the tax to keep a championship team together... so this off season we'll get to see if they walk the walk.FWIW, Kerr recently said Draymond will be with the Warriors for the next "8 to 10 years." With the rising cap and David Lee expiring the following off-season (if we aren't able to unload him in the summer...Dubs must keep him through this year for basketball and chemistry reasons) the Dubs should be able to match a possible max offer sheet and only have to pay the tax for next year and avoid the more costly repeater tax the following years (Bogut and Iggy's deals are descending in value).

After Curry and Klay, Draymond is the most important corner stone. Bogut is more valuable this year, but Draymond defense and overall ability as a glue guy is tough to find. Outside of Anthony Davis and Aldridge, it would be hard to find someone young PF that would be an upgrade over Dray AND fit so well with The Splash Brothers. He's a must keep.

I highly doubt Lacob and Co. will go the OKC route and trade Harden.
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Just a question, don't have an opinion one way or the other, but is Draymond Green really considered in the same level as James Harden? Do you see him as a superstar in 2-3 years? I think he is a great player. Nice piece to have but a superstar?

Also besides AD and Aldridge I think I would rather have Griffin, Millsap and maybe Favors over Draymond right now.
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Griffin is better than Draymond in a vacuum, but his aversion to defense and rebounding make it tough decision next to the Splash Brothers. Gun to my head, I'd still take Griffin over Green, but I'm not thrilled about it. Millsap is better on offense, loses some defense, but he's older. Favors may have higher ceiling, but Draymond is an elite defender, passer, and basketball IQ. Draymond is a better player now again fit next to Splash Brothers is important.Draymond is not a superstar, but if he's your 3rd best player you're set. Harden is a better player to build a team around. Draymond is the ideal player to build a team with. At this point is Parsons and Hayward got max money I don't see why Draymond wouldn't either. Like Simmons said in his recent trade value column...there are "max players" and "market max players" now. Harden is a "max player". Draymond could be a "market max player."

 
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Abraham said:
saintfool said:
Timmay said:
Bulls were lucky to come out with a win, Rose was inefficient going 13-33 from the field with 1 assist, 11 turnovers? That is Kyrie Irving type numbers. Good thing the Bulls really worked the Warriors down low. Meanwhile the Bulls big men, Gasol with 8 assists and Noah with 6. I'd like to see Rose attack the rim more and dish to his teammates.
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wouldn't every coach like to see that? the fact of the matter is that Rose hasn't been playing well this season.
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This. He just doesn't have the explosiveness that he used to. At least not yet.
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Explosiveness is close. The bigger problems for Rose are poor shooting and poor decision making. I think he's being more cautious about injury too.

 
Captain Quinoa said:
Village Idiot said:
Timmay said:
Bulls were lucky to come out with a win, Rose was inefficient going 13-33 from the field with 1 assist, 11 turnovers? That is Kyrie Irving type numbers. Good thing the Bulls really worked the Warriors down low. Meanwhile the Bulls big men, Gasol with 8 assists and Noah with 6. I'd like to see Rose attack the rim more and dish to his teammates.
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Irvings TO high for the year is 8. He did that 2 times.Rose is at 3.3 TO per gamne for the year, 3.4 for January. 2.5 throwing out the 11 game.

Irving is at 4.0 TO per game for the year, 2.7 for January. 2.1 throwing out that game.

Month over month Irving is trending down in TO's per game and Rose is going up.
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4.0 was for October (2 games). He's at 2.3 for the year. Also 2.3 A/TO vs Rose's 1.47

Also shooting .466 overall and .397 on 3s. Rose is .416/.313.
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Yeah, the race for fourth-best PG in the East isn't really that close.

ETA: Sorry, fifth-best PG in the East. Apologies to Brandon Knight.

 
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thecatch said:
No. 16 said:
thecatch said:
Is resigning Green a foregone conclusion? He could get max offers and matching those (plus increase in Klay's salary) would send GS soaring way into the luxury tax.
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This off-season will tell us exactly how legitimate Lacob and company are as owners. They said before they would go over the tax to keep a championship team together... so this off season we'll get to see if they walk the walk.FWIW, Kerr recently said Draymond will be with the Warriors for the next "8 to 10 years." With the rising cap and David Lee expiring the following off-season (if we aren't able to unload him in the summer...Dubs must keep him through this year for basketball and chemistry reasons) the Dubs should be able to match a possible max offer sheet and only have to pay the tax for next year and avoid the more costly repeater tax the following years (Bogut and Iggy's deals are descending in value).

After Curry and Klay, Draymond is the most important corner stone. Bogut is more valuable this year, but Draymond defense and overall ability as a glue guy is tough to find. Outside of Anthony Davis and Aldridge, it would be hard to find someone young PF that would be an upgrade over Dray AND fit so well with The Splash Brothers. He's a must keep.

I highly doubt Lacob and Co. will go the OKC route and trade Harden.
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Bogut and Iggy's deals for next year do not meaningfully decline. A max deal for Green doesn't just put them barely over the tax, it will mean they are at least $13m over the projected tax line, so you are talking a $20+ million luxury tax payment. That's big even if you are committed to winning. The following year you get Lee off the books but Barnes needs a new deal (what that would look like I have no idea at this point).
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We'll see. Lacob and Co. wants to be like the Lakers, Knicks, and Celtics they have to be willing to pay the price.The Warriors have sold out 105 or whatever in a row. They have 5k on the season ticket waiting list and finishing a new stadium in 3 years. Curry is the most popular player in the NBA. They are the only professional basketball team in the high tech Bay Area.

If the team keeps winning they'll make money hand over fist in this market. That $20 million should be nothing.

 
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No. 16 said:
All roads to the chip go through Bogut for the Dubs.
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They better bubble wrap him and cryogenically freeze him until the playoffs start. Maybe hold him out of the 1st round too. Otherwise I don't think he makes it to the finals. Guy has problems going 2 weeks without an injury.

 
Juxtatarot said:
Abraham said:
saintfool said:
Timmay said:
Bulls were lucky to come out with a win, Rose was inefficient going 13-33 from the field with 1 assist, 11 turnovers? That is Kyrie Irving type numbers. Good thing the Bulls really worked the Warriors down low. Meanwhile the Bulls big men, Gasol with 8 assists and Noah with 6. I'd like to see Rose attack the rim more and dish to his teammates.
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wouldn't every coach like to see that? the fact of the matter is that Rose hasn't been playing well this season.
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This. He just doesn't have the explosiveness that he used to. At least not yet.
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Explosiveness is close. The bigger problems for Rose are poor shooting and poor decision making. I think he's being more cautious about injury too.
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I agree, I think he is close to the explosiveness he did in years prior. Who knows what is wrong with him, maybe he's scared of getting hurt again. His agent/posse is probably getting in his ear saying don't risk getting hurt again, not worth it, take the outside shots instead. What made Rose so great was his aggression attacking the rim.

 
Juxtatarot said:
Abraham said:
saintfool said:
Timmay said:
Bulls were lucky to come out with a win, Rose was inefficient going 13-33 from the field with 1 assist, 11 turnovers? That is Kyrie Irving type numbers. Good thing the Bulls really worked the Warriors down low. Meanwhile the Bulls big men, Gasol with 8 assists and Noah with 6. I'd like to see Rose attack the rim more and dish to his teammates.
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wouldn't every coach like to see that? the fact of the matter is that Rose hasn't been playing well this season.
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This. He just doesn't have the explosiveness that he used to. At least not yet.
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Explosiveness is close. The bigger problems for Rose are poor shooting and poor decision making. I think he's being more cautious about injury too.
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i think that's just a case of the bulls line-up being always in flux. for a team that relies on their starters to log heavy minutes - thanks, thibs! - anyone that misses time affects the cohesiveness and continuity of the offense.

 
Captain Quinoa said:
TobiasFunke said:
Captain Quinoa said:
Village Idiot said:
Timmay said:
Bulls were lucky to come out with a win, Rose was inefficient going 13-33 from the field with 1 assist, 11 turnovers? That is Kyrie Irving type numbers. Good thing the Bulls really worked the Warriors down low. Meanwhile the Bulls big men, Gasol with 8 assists and Noah with 6. I'd like to see Rose attack the rim more and dish to his teammates.
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Irvings TO high for the year is 8. He did that 2 times.Rose is at 3.3 TO per gamne for the year, 3.4 for January. 2.5 throwing out the 11 game.

Irving is at 4.0 TO per game for the year, 2.7 for January. 2.1 throwing out that game.

Month over month Irving is trending down in TO's per game and Rose is going up.
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4.0 was for October (2 games). He's at 2.3 for the year. Also 2.3 A/TO vs Rose's 1.47

Also shooting .466 overall and .397 on 3s. Rose is .416/.313.
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Yeah, the race for fourth-best PG in the East isn't really that close.

ETA: Sorry, fifth-best PG in the East. Apologies to Brandon Knight.
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Update?
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Double nickel. Your move, B Knight. Lulz

 
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