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*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (4 Viewers)

As a Rockets fan, I'm REALLY glad that Budinger is getting some run. Obviously this is an inexact thing, but if the "one year of college" rule didn't exist, he would have likely been a top 5 pick in the draft that produced Oden and Durant. His college career was a mixed bag, but he's really turning it on for Houston. I'm not sure that they'll be contenders with Budg being the best player on the team, but a backcourt of Lowry, Martin, and Chase can score the ball extremely well. The Rockets lack of depth up front (they have a 6'4 guy playing center; Chuck Hayes is AWESOME but he can't be the everyday center) but in the event that Patrick Patterson emerges in the next year or two and Thabeet can be developed, this will be an interesting team. Lowry, Budinger, Martin, Patterson/Scola, Thabeet/Hayes might one day be intriguing. Then again, by the time that happens Scola will be old.
:goodposting: I've been on the "Free Chase" bandwagon for a couple years. The offensive game has always been there, hopefully he's become a better defender. His hops are freaky and he's deadly from the arc.
Watched the entire game last night. Buddinger is a heck of a shooter, pretty shot. But wow, he is a horrific defender.
normally this would bother me but I'll take bad defense for a white dude that can fly and shoot the 3 at the same time. He's fun to watch for my team that currently has no championship aspirations (sans Yao) so entertainment is important for me, winning not so much this season :cry:
 
'Major said:
'Balco said:
'tommyGunZ said:
'Abraham said:
As a Rockets fan, I'm REALLY glad that Budinger is getting some run. Obviously this is an inexact thing, but if the "one year of college" rule didn't exist, he would have likely been a top 5 pick in the draft that produced Oden and Durant. His college career was a mixed bag, but he's really turning it on for Houston. I'm not sure that they'll be contenders with Budg being the best player on the team, but a backcourt of Lowry, Martin, and Chase can score the ball extremely well. The Rockets lack of depth up front (they have a 6'4 guy playing center; Chuck Hayes is AWESOME but he can't be the everyday center) but in the event that Patrick Patterson emerges in the next year or two and Thabeet can be developed, this will be an interesting team. Lowry, Budinger, Martin, Patterson/Scola, Thabeet/Hayes might one day be intriguing. Then again, by the time that happens Scola will be old.
:pickle: I've been on the "Free Chase" bandwagon for a couple years. The offensive game has always been there, hopefully he's become a better defender. His hops are freaky and he's deadly from the arc.
Watched the entire game last night. Buddinger is a heck of a shooter, pretty shot. But wow, he is a horrific defender.
normally this would bother me but I'll take bad defense for a white dude that can fly and shoot the 3 at the same time. He's fun to watch for my team that currently has no championship aspirations (sans Yao) so entertainment is important for me, winning not so much this season :thumbup:
No question he is a fantastic shooter. And it is not just gunning up 3's. Its not easy to find good shooter who also play good defense.
 
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So, I think for Charlotte to trade him, when his value is very likely the highest it will ever be, is a good move.
They should have traded him last offseason. That was when his value was the highest. He has regressed in every single statistical category this year.
 
'Major said:
'Balco said:
'tommyGunZ said:
'Abraham said:
As a Rockets fan, I'm REALLY glad that Budinger is getting some run. Obviously this is an inexact thing, but if the "one year of college" rule didn't exist, he would have likely been a top 5 pick in the draft that produced Oden and Durant. His college career was a mixed bag, but he's really turning it on for Houston. I'm not sure that they'll be contenders with Budg being the best player on the team, but a backcourt of Lowry, Martin, and Chase can score the ball extremely well. The Rockets lack of depth up front (they have a 6'4 guy playing center; Chuck Hayes is AWESOME but he can't be the everyday center) but in the event that Patrick Patterson emerges in the next year or two and Thabeet can be developed, this will be an interesting team. Lowry, Budinger, Martin, Patterson/Scola, Thabeet/Hayes might one day be intriguing. Then again, by the time that happens Scola will be old.
:lmao: I've been on the "Free Chase" bandwagon for a couple years. The offensive game has always been there, hopefully he's become a better defender. His hops are freaky and he's deadly from the arc.
Watched the entire game last night. Buddinger is a heck of a shooter, pretty shot. But wow, he is a horrific defender.
normally this would bother me but I'll take bad defense for a white dude that can fly and shoot the 3 at the same time. He's fun to watch for my team that currently has no championship aspirations (sans Yao) so entertainment is important for me, winning not so much this season :shrug:
No question he is a fantastic shooter. And it is not just gunning up 3's. Its not easy to find good shooter who also play good defense.
His leaping ability will sneak up on you. I was at this game...place went nuts after
. One of the best dunks I've seen live.
 
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Lakers unbeatable as the calendar turns towards spring. :lmao: Kobe clutches up in crunch time. :lmao:

Next you'll tell me the sun will come up tomorrow....

 
'Major said:
'Balco said:
'tommyGunZ said:
'Abraham said:
As a Rockets fan, I'm REALLY glad that Budinger is getting some run. Obviously this is an inexact thing, but if the "one year of college" rule didn't exist, he would have likely been a top 5 pick in the draft that produced Oden and Durant. His college career was a mixed bag, but he's really turning it on for Houston. I'm not sure that they'll be contenders with Budg being the best player on the team, but a backcourt of Lowry, Martin, and Chase can score the ball extremely well. The Rockets lack of depth up front (they have a 6'4 guy playing center; Chuck Hayes is AWESOME but he can't be the everyday center) but in the event that Patrick Patterson emerges in the next year or two and Thabeet can be developed, this will be an interesting team. Lowry, Budinger, Martin, Patterson/Scola, Thabeet/Hayes might one day be intriguing. Then again, by the time that happens Scola will be old.
:thumbup: I've been on the "Free Chase" bandwagon for a couple years. The offensive game has always been there, hopefully he's become a better defender. His hops are freaky and he's deadly from the arc.
Watched the entire game last night. Buddinger is a heck of a shooter, pretty shot. But wow, he is a horrific defender.
normally this would bother me but I'll take bad defense for a white dude that can fly and shoot the 3 at the same time. He's fun to watch for my team that currently has no championship aspirations (sans Yao) so entertainment is important for me, winning not so much this season :pickle:
No question he is a fantastic shooter. And it is not just gunning up 3's. Its not easy to find good shooter who also play good defense.
His leaping ability will sneak up on you. I was at this game...place went nuts after
His leaping ability isn't that surprising considering in high school he was regarded as one of the elite volleyball players in the nation with every major program trying to get him to do the basketball/volleyball double. What's more surprising for me is to see his mental toughness improve to the point he can hang in the NBA. I always thought he was soft and timid at Arizona.
 
'pollardsvision said:
So, I think for Charlotte to trade him, when his value is very likely the highest it will ever be, is a good move.
They should have traded him last offseason. That was when his value was the highest. He has regressed in every single statistical category this year.
Do you think Charlotte could have gotten more than 2 first-rounders, an expiring contract and a rotation guy last summer? Considering that "the 2nd best player on the Charlotte Bobcats" is probably on par with the 3rd or 4th best player on a playoff team, I think the Bobcats made out pretty well.The 2013 pick is lottery protected, but what happens if the Blazers tank next year? Do the Bobcats automatically get Portland's 2014 1st-round pick, or does the pick just expire?

 
The subtitle needs to be updated to reflect the Lakers' blowout loss to OKC today.Lets keep the bitterness alive.
Nah, it's far more important to point out how Kobe shot the ball a lot or something in THE ALL-STAR GAME... AT HOME.
Would it make you feel better if I pointed out that Kobe was 8 of 22 shooting for 17 points and had the second worst shooting percentage on the court, behind only Eric Maynor who shot 0-6? And the shooting guards that he was presumably guarding shot 10 of 17 for 24 points, much higher then both of their season percentages and scoring averages?
 
The subtitle needs to be updated to reflect the Lakers' blowout loss to OKC today.Lets keep the bitterness alive.
Nah, it's far more important to point out how Kobe shot the ball a lot or something in THE ALL-STAR GAME... AT HOME.
Would it make you feel better if I pointed out that Kobe was 8 of 22 shooting for 17 points and had the second worst shooting percentage on the court, behind only Eric Maynor who shot 0-6? And the shooting guards that he was presumably guarding shot 10 of 17 for 24 points, much higher then both of their season percentages and scoring averages?
Kobe was absolutely brutal today. The whole Laker offense was idiotic. We've got three pretty skilled 7 footers - lets pass around the perimeter and chuck up jumpers all day, or maybe just skip the passing and run isolation dribbling in place until there's no time on the clock and hoist up 30 footers.Somehow they won anyway, because OKC sucked harder. Ugly win, which is still infinitely better than the ugly losses the Lakers have been having.
 
Lakers unbeatable as the calendar turns towards spring. :shock: Kobe clutches up in crunch time. :shock: Next you'll tell me the sun will come up tomorrow....
:lmao: Not even sure why I bother to watch the NBA before March these days.LOFL at the haters who thought Kobe's career was over when Shaq was dealt.
 
what a Knicks win, Billups is a monster in the end of games.

If Knicks can magically sign a big dude who can bound (Earl Barron) they can start making some noise this year

 
what a Knicks win, Billups is a monster in the end of games.If Knicks can magically sign a big dude who can bound (Earl Barron) they can start making some noise this year
According to reports Jared Jeffries will sign with Knicks on Tuesday hopefully that will signal the end for Roger Mason Jr. New York is a dangerous team when they decide they want to play defense. Amare, Billups, Carmelo make a strong core with Shawne Williams and Billy Walker both hitting above 40% from behind the arc. Depending upon the matchup this team could advance to the second round.
 
Lakers unbeatable as the calendar turns towards spring. :shock: Kobe clutches up in crunch time. :shock: Next you'll tell me the sun will come up tomorrow....
:excited: Not even sure why I bother to watch the NBA before March these days.LOFL at the haters who thought Kobe's career was over when Shaq was dealt.
Talk about holding a grudge wasnt that like 5 years ago..............There is always going to be doubters with any roster move in the NBA, haters are not just limited to Kobe or the Lakers. Prior to the season we were all told that Wade and Lebron could not play together and yet they are the #2 ranked team in the East.
 
love can put up all the stats he wants IMO he is a better version of David Lee, but he is not a game changing player like any of the superstars

 
I missed the game - how did the Knicks hold the mighty Heat to only 86 pts?

Was the game called at halftime or did the lights go out sometime in the 3rd?

 
Lakers unbeatable as the calendar turns towards spring. :coffee: Kobe clutches up in crunch time. :lmao: Next you'll tell me the sun will come up tomorrow....
:lmao: Not even sure why I bother to watch the NBA before March these days.LOFL at the haters who thought Kobe's career was over when Shaq was dealt.
Talk about holding a grudge wasnt that like 5 years ago..............There is always going to be doubters with any roster move in the NBA, haters are not just limited to Kobe or the Lakers. Prior to the season we were all told that Wade and Lebron could not play together and yet they are the #2 ranked team in the East.
Who said they couldn't be the #2 team in the East before the season started?
 
love can put up all the stats he wants IMO he is a better version of David Lee, but he is not a game changing player like any of the superstars
Love may not be an uber-superstar, but much like Gasol he'd be the next guy you'd want to partner with any of them. The rebounding skill, outlet passing, and 3 point shooting are the perfect compliment to any of the Rose, Durant, Kobe, LeBron, Wades of the world.
 
love can put up all the stats he wants IMO he is a better version of David Lee, but he is not a game changing player like any of the superstars
Love may not be an uber-superstar, but much like Gasol he'd be the next guy you'd want to partner with any of them. The rebounding skill, outlet passing, and 3 point shooting are the perfect compliment to any of the Rose, Durant, Kobe, LeBron, Wades of the world.
Here's what pisses me off as a lifelong Bruin fan: Why couldn't a team featuring Love, Westbrook, and Darren Collison win the NCAA championship? They were so close! If not for that Derrick Rose fella...
 
love can put up all the stats he wants IMO he is a better version of David Lee, but he is not a game changing player like any of the superstars
Love may not be an uber-superstar, but much like Gasol he'd be the next guy you'd want to partner with any of them. The rebounding skill, outlet passing, and 3 point shooting are the perfect compliment to any of the Rose, Durant, Kobe, LeBron, Wades of the world.
Here's what pisses me off as a lifelong Bruin fan: Why couldn't a team featuring Love, Westbrook, and Darren Collison win the NCAA championship? They were so close! If not for that Derrick Rose fella...
Didn't they also have Mbah a Moute? And the year prior they had Afflalo (but not Love). They had a good little run of NBA talent.
 
Going to the Rock to see D Will's home Net debut tonight against the Suns.....so far he has looked good but has gotten no help.

 
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love can put up all the stats he wants IMO he is a better version of David Lee, but he is not a game changing player like any of the superstars
Love may not be an uber-superstar, but much like Gasol he'd be the next guy you'd want to partner with any of them. The rebounding skill, outlet passing, and 3 point shooting are the perfect compliment to any of the Rose, Durant, Kobe, LeBron, Wades of the world.
Here's what pisses me off as a lifelong Bruin fan: Why couldn't a team featuring Love, Westbrook, and Darren Collison win the NCAA championship? They were so close! If not for that Derrick Rose fella... cheating
Fixed. You could also add Howland was too rigid in his matchups and kept Collison on Rose way too long during the game. The only time UCLA was able to stop Memphis was when Westbrook guarded rose and Mbah a Moute covered Douglas-Roberts.

 
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NBA's horribly inept officiating has sunken to a new low.
What happened to show off the horrible officiating yesterday?
Kobe was fouled a couple times at the end of the LA/OKC game with no fouls called, maybe? Actually he was mugged once by Ibaka/Westbrook and his elbow hit by Sefolosha on the game clinching shot on the next possession. Of course, those were calls I saw through my Purple and Gold goggles.
 
How do you Knicks fans feel about the Felton-Billups trade?

I'm going to take an in person look at the new Nuggets tonight. I grabbed 7 tickets to tonight's game the day after the Melo trade for a total of $21 (face value of $24 each). Hoping they can keep up their inspired play.

 
They going crazy over Billups here, people are still giddy over the trade.

Kev I thought u were nuts when u said billups was better. But he has yet to master the pick and roll like ray did

 
NBA's horribly inept officiating has sunken to a new low.
What happened to show off the horrible officiating yesterday?
Kobe was fouled a couple times at the end of the LA/OKC game with no fouls called, maybe? Actually he was mugged once by Ibaka/Westbrook and his elbow hit by Sefolosha on the game clinching shot on the next possession. Of course, those were calls I saw through my Purple and Gold goggles.
I was cheering for OKC and thought that Kobe got hit a few times with no calls.
 
They going crazy over Billups here, people are still giddy over the trade.Kev I thought u were nuts when u said billups was better. But he has yet to master the pick and roll like ray did
Crazy thing is, the Nuggets hardly ever ran the pick and roll. Nene and Billups ran it nearly to perfection though, I wish Karl would have had them do that more often. A 6'3" PG with an incredible jumper and an athletic, strong 6'10" PF/C and you run 50 pick and rolls (if that) in the entire season? Dumb.
 
The Thunder offense drives me insane. It is 100% isolations for Durant (45%), Westbrook (45%), and Harden (5%) with the remaining couple of plays being kick outs to Thebo or Harden shooting a 3 pointer. I realize that Durantula and Westbrook's top skill is breaking down their guy and creating a shot, but the only time they run screens for Durant is on inbound plays. I would be curling him off screens a la Rip hamilton and Ron Mercer. They have the most defensible offense in the league if the other team has two good on-ball defenders. A triangle and 2 would contain them pretty well, which is something LA, SA, and Dallas should all be able to run pretty easily.

As a note, my deep NBA conversation comes in this thread but it amazes me how little anyone is talking about the Mavericks. Anyone know why they aren't getting much love as a contender?

 
The Thunder offense drives me insane. It is 100% isolations for Durant (45%), Westbrook (45%), and Harden (5%) with the remaining couple of plays being kick outs to Thebo or Harden shooting a 3 pointer. I realize that Durantula and Westbrook's top skill is breaking down their guy and creating a shot, but the only time they run screens for Durant is on inbound plays. I would be curling him off screens a la Rip hamilton and Ron Mercer. They have the most defensible offense in the league if the other team has two good on-ball defenders. A triangle and 2 would contain them pretty well, which is something LA, SA, and Dallas should all be able to run pretty easily.As a note, my deep NBA conversation comes in this thread but it amazes me how little anyone is talking about the Mavericks. Anyone know why they aren't getting much love as a contender?
Year after year the Mavs are great during the regular season. And year after year the Mavs do nothing in the playoffs. Tough to get excited about them.
 
The Thunder offense drives me insane. It is 100% isolations for Durant (45%), Westbrook (45%), and Harden (5%) with the remaining couple of plays being kick outs to Thebo or Harden shooting a 3 pointer. I realize that Durantula and Westbrook's top skill is breaking down their guy and creating a shot, but the only time they run screens for Durant is on inbound plays. I would be curling him off screens a la Rip hamilton and Ron Mercer. They have the most defensible offense in the league if the other team has two good on-ball defenders. A triangle and 2 would contain them pretty well, which is something LA, SA, and Dallas should all be able to run pretty easily.As a note, my deep NBA conversation comes in this thread but it amazes me how little anyone is talking about the Mavericks. Anyone know why they aren't getting much love as a contender?
Year after year the Mavs are great during the regular season. And year after year the Mavs do nothing in the playoffs. Tough to get excited about them.
And they have WAY too many white guys.... Peja, Dirk, Kidd, Cardinal, and Barea plus they've also had Pavlovic and Novak. Disgusting.
 
Here is an article for all you Rose haters.

Derrick Rose has been called a lot of things this season: MVP candidate, inefficient scorer, the most explosive point guard in the game, an elite floor general who isn’t an elite passer. So when his pass found teammate Luol Deng for the game winning three-pointer last Thursday against the Heat, some may have considered it an aberration. Despite ranking 10th in the NBA in assists per game, Rose’s distribution skills are generally not held in the same regard as the likes of Rajon Rondo, Chris Paul or Steve Nash. Upon closer inspection however, the 22-year-old is remarkably efficient with the assists he does dole out.

HoopData tabulates a statistic called Assist + which is simply assists per game with added weight for assists leading to three-pointers. Rose sees a 13.6% increase in his assist numbers when factoring in three’s, the third highest increase of any player ranking in the top ten in the NBA. Only Raymond Felton (14.4%) and Steve Nash (14.3%) see a greater increase when incorporating the perimeter shooting of teammates. Yet Rose manages this degree of augmentation playing on a team that is only average when it comes to both three-point shooting efficiency and sheer volume of shots.

Chicago attempts 16.2 three-pointers per game, which puts them in the bottom half of the league at 18th. For perspective, New York (the team Felton has spent the majority of his season with) and Phoenix are among the most trigger-happy perimeter teams in the NBA, shooting 24.8 (2nd) and 22.9 (3rd) three’s per game respectively. Furthermore, the Bulls hit 36.3% of their total shot attempts from beyond the arc, which ranks 12th, while the Suns (37.8%) are 5th and the Knicks (36.4%) sit at 10th. As a whole, Rose ranks 7th in the NBA in three-pointers assisted per game despite running an offense that attempts a low number of perimeter shots and is only an average shooting team from this range. This is despite the fact that the Bulls lack three point shooters at either forward position don’t play a style that encourages a great deal of perimeter shooting. These numbers back up a simple truth that is palpable when watching Chicago play: Rose is one of the best when it comes to getting his teammates excellent looks from three.

With his explosiveness off the dribble, Rose has the ability to penetrate against nearly any defense. This routinely forces opposing defenses to collapse into the lane, but what gets lost in the catalog of floaters and tough lay ups is the excellent court vision he exhibits also in this setting, consistently finding open shooters once he has placed the defense in a position where players have to scramble on a kick out. It should also be noted that opposing defenses tend to collapse so aggressively because of his propensity to look for his shot in this setting. According to Synergy Sports Technology, Rose passes 25% of the time when he isolates with the basketball, which is not a particularly high mark, but consider that when including passes out of this setting as well he produces a scoring efficiency of 1.125 points per possession with an adjusted field goal percentage of 54.3. Not only do these mark rank higher than other elite point guards like Nash, Rajon Rondo, Deron Williams and Chris Paul, but also well above other primary scorers including Kobe Bryant, Lebron James and Dirk Nowitzki.

This isn’t simply a matter of Rose capitalizing on his physical gifts though, he is showing the ability to create scoring opportunities without attacking off the dribble. Yes, he’s an excellent isolation scorer, but he is also making the kinds of passes that are vital to his team’s success. Chicago’s personnel doesn’t afford it the luxury of launching contested or even quick catch and shoot threes (save for Kyle Korver), so the Bulls rely on Rose to generate open looks from the perimeter. Regardless of the fact that he hardly fits the stereotype of a traditional pass first point guard, his effectiveness as a distributor is undeniable.

As long as Rose continues to carry Chicago’s offense to the ridiculous degree that he does – he ranks 4th in the NBA in usage – his scoring exploits are almost certain to overshadow his production as a playmaker. Even with that said, it’s easy to argue that Rose may in fact be an even better creator than his base numbers would lead us to believe.
 
I'm a Rose supporter here of late, but that article is a reach, and another example of twisting arbitrarily constrained stats to support a preconceived conclusion. Rose deserves respect for his ability to drive the lane and score, resulting in defenses collapsing to stop him, but saying that because he can drive and kick to wide open guys at the perimeter as a result makes him worthy of consideration as an accomplished playmaker doesn't follow for me. For me, playmakers are the guys who can get other guys high percentage shots, as close to the basket as possible, even in heavy traffic. I'd respect Rose more as a playmaker if more of his drives were resulting in lay ups by his teammates than 3 point attempts.
 
Bibby to be bought out and likely to Miami.

Cory Brewer and Troy Murphy to be bought out as well

Murphy also likely to heat.

 
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