*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (9 Viewers)

[oneohh]

deng at SG would be a debacle. bron doesn't trade off and certainly doesn't change position. as a result, deng off the bench seems necessary. $15 million off the bench?

noah is a nice player but let's not go overboard. he's a guaranteed double double but just barely.

i don't think anyone has any idea of what NJ would look like on the floor with someone like LBJ on their team. NJ is very much a work in progress and playing on such a wretched team likely skewed their performance. they will be different with a new coach and supporting cast.

It's not as if they come down the floor and declare their position....not even sure what you're saying there. Let's say they play the Hawks. Deng/James have to guard JJ and Marvin. Maybe you put James on JJ to shut him down and have Deng check Marvin. If you don't want James chasing JJ around, switch them. Deng isn't a stopper, but he could guard the guy.Noah was discussed as a potential All-Star last season, that's a fact. If I were starting a team from scratch, I'd rather have Lopez. But a team with James and Rose? Give me Noah.

I like the Nets, and wouldn't blame James for going there. I just like the fit in Chicago a little better. It's also hard to get past the fact that the Nets were historically bad, and the players we're discussing here were the key components of that team. I know Harris was hurt and there were other flaws. But you'd like to think they'd fall into a few more wins with the talent they had.

Unless they didn't want to fall into a few more wins. I think you guys are talking infinitely more hoops than elBJ is in these meetings with these teams. I'm sure you want to believe this is all about the game and winning, but it really isn't. Global icon, folks. Global icon.

 

[massraider]

deng at SG would be a debacle. bron doesn't trade off and certainly doesn't change position. as a result, deng off the bench seems necessary. $15 million off the bench?

noah is a nice player but let's not go overboard. he's a guaranteed double double but just barely.

i don't think anyone has any idea of what NJ would look like on the floor with someone like LBJ on their team. NJ is very much a work in progress and playing on such a wretched team likely skewed their performance. they will be different with a new coach and supporting cast.

It's not as if they come down the floor and declare their position....not even sure what you're saying there. Let's say they play the Hawks. Deng/James have to guard JJ and Marvin. Maybe you put James on JJ to shut him down and have Deng check Marvin. If you don't want James chasing JJ around, switch them. Deng isn't a stopper, but he could guard the guy.Noah was discussed as a potential All-Star last season, that's a fact. If I were starting a team from scratch, I'd rather have Lopez. But a team with James and Rose? Give me Noah.

I like the Nets, and wouldn't blame James for going there. I just like the fit in Chicago a little better. It's also hard to get past the fact that the Nets were historically bad, and the players we're discussing here were the key components of that team. I know Harris was hurt and there were other flaws. But you'd like to think they'd fall into a few more wins with the talent they had.

Unless they didn't want to fall into a few more wins. I think you guys are talking infinitely more hoops than elBJ is in these meetings with these teams. I'm sure you want to believe this is all about the game and winning, but it really isn't. Global icon, folks. Global icon.

 

[Juxtatarot]

deng at SG would be a debacle. bron doesn't trade off and certainly doesn't change position. as a result, deng off the bench seems necessary. $15 million off the bench?

noah is a nice player but let's not go overboard. he's a guaranteed double double but just barely.

i don't think anyone has any idea of what NJ would look like on the floor with someone like LBJ on their team. NJ is very much a work in progress and playing on such a wretched team likely skewed their performance. they will be different with a new coach and supporting cast.

It's not as if they come down the floor and declare their position....not even sure what you're saying there. Let's say they play the Hawks. Deng/James have to guard JJ and Marvin. Maybe you put James on JJ to shut him down and have Deng check Marvin. If you don't want James chasing JJ around, switch them. Deng isn't a stopper, but he could guard the guy.Noah was discussed as a potential All-Star last season, that's a fact. If I were starting a team from scratch, I'd rather have Lopez. But a team with James and Rose? Give me Noah.

I like the Nets, and wouldn't blame James for going there. I just like the fit in Chicago a little better. It's also hard to get past the fact that the Nets were historically bad, and the players we're discussing here were the key components of that team. I know Harris was hurt and there were other flaws. But you'd like to think they'd fall into a few more wins with the talent they had.

Unless they didn't want to fall into a few more wins. I think you guys are talking infinitely more hoops than elBJ is in these meetings with these teams. I'm sure you want to believe this is all about the game and winning, but it really isn't. Global icon, folks. Global icon.

Winning is a key factor in his global icon status. It will be an important part of this decision.

 

[Abraham]

deng at SG would be a debacle. bron doesn't trade off and certainly doesn't change position. as a result, deng off the bench seems necessary. $15 million off the bench?

noah is a nice player but let's not go overboard. he's a guaranteed double double but just barely.

i don't think anyone has any idea of what NJ would look like on the floor with someone like LBJ on their team. NJ is very much a work in progress and playing on such a wretched team likely skewed their performance. they will be different with a new coach and supporting cast.

It's not as if they come down the floor and declare their position....not even sure what you're saying there. Let's say they play the Hawks. Deng/James have to guard JJ and Marvin. Maybe you put James on JJ to shut him down and have Deng check Marvin. If you don't want James chasing JJ around, switch them. Deng isn't a stopper, but he could guard the guy.Noah was discussed as a potential All-Star last season, that's a fact. If I were starting a team from scratch, I'd rather have Lopez. But a team with James and Rose? Give me Noah.

I like the Nets, and wouldn't blame James for going there. I just like the fit in Chicago a little better. It's also hard to get past the fact that the Nets were historically bad, and the players we're discussing here were the key components of that team. I know Harris was hurt and there were other flaws. But you'd like to think they'd fall into a few more wins with the talent they had.

Unless they didn't want to fall into a few more wins. I think you guys are talking infinitely more hoops than elBJ is in these meetings with these teams. I'm sure you want to believe this is all about the game and winning, but it really isn't. Global icon, folks. Global icon.

Winning is a key factor in his global icon status. It will be an important part of this decision.

It will of course be important, but I think the importance of winning is overstated.

 

[saintfool]

Deng and James are both 3's. But how many 2's will Deng/James not be able to guard? I do think they are trying to get rid of him though.

deng will certainly try to be moved. he's been the subject of rumors for many, many months now. who wants to take that contract though? regardless, lebron won't be asked to guard SGs. it will be deng asked to and he'll be awful. he had to adjust to playing SF and now you'd like to move to SG? ridiculous.

The fact that no one has a clear idea of what the Nets will be like is their weakness. Blaming bad statistics on a bad team doesn't prove they will surely improve tremendously with James and Avery. Lopez isn't all of sudden going to become the elite rebounder Noah already is. James can see what he is entering with the Bulls and knows it would represent a better chance then he has ever had to win a title. The Nets are more of a question mark.

you're putting a lot of faith in a largely untested thibodeau. avery isn't a great coach but he can coach. he's taken his team into the playoffs and into a championship series.

 

[EZD222]

Lame. http://everykingneedsacastle.com/

Lebron idolized Jordan. So naturally they picked JOHN STARKS (i.e. Mike's personal #####) for the sales pitch. Great thinking folks.

I think its kind of funny but....where's MJ and Scottie making their pitch for Chicago?Just saying

 

[the moops]

I already outline earlier in this thread that Rose/James would only play about 30 minutes a game together

Great idea to play your two best players only 30 minutes together.

 

[saintfool]

Lame. http://everykingneedsacastle.com/

Lebron idolized Jordan. So naturally they picked JOHN STARKS (i.e. Mike's personal #####) for the sales pitch. Great thinking folks.

I think its kind of funny but....where's MJ and Scottie making their pitch for Chicago?Just saying

considering MJ is with Charlotte now then it would be a little awkward. nevermind that jordan doesn't want anyone messing with his legacy.

 

[oneohh]

deng at SG would be a debacle. bron doesn't trade off and certainly doesn't change position. as a result, deng off the bench seems necessary. $15 million off the bench?

noah is a nice player but let's not go overboard. he's a guaranteed double double but just barely.

i don't think anyone has any idea of what NJ would look like on the floor with someone like LBJ on their team. NJ is very much a work in progress and playing on such a wretched team likely skewed their performance. they will be different with a new coach and supporting cast.

It's not as if they come down the floor and declare their position....not even sure what you're saying there. Let's say they play the Hawks. Deng/James have to guard JJ and Marvin. Maybe you put James on JJ to shut him down and have Deng check Marvin. If you don't want James chasing JJ around, switch them. Deng isn't a stopper, but he could guard the guy.Noah was discussed as a potential All-Star last season, that's a fact. If I were starting a team from scratch, I'd rather have Lopez. But a team with James and Rose? Give me Noah.

I like the Nets, and wouldn't blame James for going there. I just like the fit in Chicago a little better. It's also hard to get past the fact that the Nets were historically bad, and the players we're discussing here were the key components of that team. I know Harris was hurt and there were other flaws. But you'd like to think they'd fall into a few more wins with the talent they had.

Unless they didn't want to fall into a few more wins. I think you guys are talking infinitely more hoops than elBJ is in these meetings with these teams. I'm sure you want to believe this is all about the game and winning, but it really isn't. Global icon, folks. Global icon.

Winning is a key factor in his global icon status. It will be an important part of this decision.

Agreed. But if you think he and Avery and Prokhorov are sitting down talking x's and o's and discussing who'd be the best fit, I think you'd be wrong. It became evident in Cleveland he wanted to play with his buddies and other sycophants. I suppose I could be convinced that the leadership group in Cleveland was largely responsible for that, or at least as much as Lebron was. But I think the town and the team (as in the brand) are as much a factor as anything. I also think the fact that Jordan already conquered Chicago is a huge negative for the Bulls. I would be shocked if he didn't go to New Jersey/Brooklyn. But most importantly, I think Prokhorov is probably one of the only people in the game that isn't intimidated by him and that's huge.

 

[Abraham]

I also think the fact that Jordan already conquered Chicago is a huge negative for the Bulls. I would be shocked if he didn't go to New Jersey/Brooklyn. But most importantly, I think Prokhorov is probably one of the only people in the game that isn't intimidated by him and that's huge.

Stellar posting. Prokhorov likely conveyed that "I will make the Nets as big as the Yankees and Manchester United in terms of the globabl stature of the team....you can either be part of that, or you can play us 4 times a year. Your choice..."

 

[Walton Goggins]

I also think the fact that Jordan already conquered Chicago is a huge negative for the Bulls. I would be shocked if he didn't go to New Jersey/Brooklyn. But most importantly, I think Prokhorov is probably one of the only people in the game that isn't intimidated by him and that's huge.

Stellar posting. Prokhorov likely conveyed that "I will make the Nets as big as the Yankees and Manchester United in terms of the globabl stature of the team....you can either be part of that, or you can play us 4 times a year. Your choice..."

He wouldn't insult Bron's intelligence with that line.

 

[thecatch]

deng at SG would be a debacle. bron doesn't trade off and certainly doesn't change position. as a result, deng off the bench seems necessary. $15 million off the bench? noah is a nice player but let's not go overboard. he's a guaranteed double double but just barely. i don't think anyone has any idea of what NJ would look like on the floor with someone like LBJ on their team. NJ is very much a work in progress and playing on such a wretched team likely skewed their performance. they will be different with a new coach and supporting cast.

It's not as if they come down the floor and declare their position....not even sure what you're saying there. Let's say they play the Hawks. Deng/James have to guard JJ and Marvin. Maybe you put James on JJ to shut him down and have Deng check Marvin. If you don't want James chasing JJ around, switch them. Deng isn't a stopper, but he could guard the guy.Noah was discussed as a potential All-Star last season, that's a fact. If I were starting a team from scratch, I'd rather have Lopez. But a team with James and Rose? Give me Noah.I like the Nets, and wouldn't blame James for going there. I just like the fit in Chicago a little better. It's also hard to get past the fact that the Nets were historically bad, and the players we're discussing here were the key components of that team. I know Harris was hurt and there were other flaws. But you'd like to think they'd fall into a few more wins with the talent they had.

If given the choice between Rose and Lopez I would take Lopez...For all this talk in here of Rose being this great generous passer, if I recall, he has one of the worst assist rates of all starting pgs, below harris.

He was in the top 10 in terms of usage rate as well. edit: I still don't think I'd take Lopez over him though, as Lopez's rebounding numbers are poor and he'll have to put up those type of scoring numbers on a better team for me to be 100% sold.

 

[oneohh]

I also think the fact that Jordan already conquered Chicago is a huge negative for the Bulls. I would be shocked if he didn't go to New Jersey/Brooklyn. But most importantly, I think Prokhorov is probably one of the only people in the game that isn't intimidated by him and that's huge.

Stellar posting. Prokhorov likely conveyed that "I will make the Nets as big as the Yankees and Manchester United in terms of the globabl stature of the team....you can either be part of that, or you can play us 4 times a year. Your choice..."

YepI vill splash the pot...venever...the ####...I vant

 

[oneohh]

I also think the fact that Jordan already conquered Chicago is a huge negative for the Bulls. I would be shocked if he didn't go to New Jersey/Brooklyn. But most importantly, I think Prokhorov is probably one of the only people in the game that isn't intimidated by him and that's huge.

Stellar posting. Prokhorov likely conveyed that "I will make the Nets as big as the Yankees and Manchester United in terms of the globabl stature of the team....you can either be part of that, or you can play us 4 times a year. Your choice..."

He wouldn't insult Bron's intelligence with that line.

His what?

 

[Walton Goggins]

It'll be important to sell Bron on why he should play for them and not feed him BS. Just straight shoot the points. I am pretty sure he's already made up his mind but doesn't hurt to hear what they all have to say.

 

[Dexter Manley]

I also think the fact that Jordan already conquered Chicago is a huge negative for the Bulls. I would be shocked if he didn't go to New Jersey/Brooklyn. But most importantly, I think Prokhorov is probably one of the only people in the game that isn't intimidated by him and that's huge.

Stellar posting. Prokhorov likely conveyed that "I will make the Nets as big as the Yankees and Manchester United in terms of the globabl stature of the team....you can either be part of that, or you can play us 4 times a year. Your choice..."

Exactly. This is a very effective recruiting tactic. No pressure. You just tell it like it is.

 

[Gr00vus]

Unless they didn't want to fall into a few more wins. I think you guys are talking infinitely more hoops than elBJ is in these meetings with these teams. I'm sure you want to believe this is all about the game and winning, but it really isn't. Global icon, folks. Global icon.

Winning is a key factor in his global icon status. It will be an important part of this decision.

It will of course be important, but I think the importance of winning is overstated.

LeBron's team, whoever it is, will still be the favorite to win the Eastern Conference, and would probably come in second only to the Lakers in preseason odds making for the championship at worst. He'll win wherever he goes.

I think this guy cares more about his success behind the camera than in front of it. He's looking to be a long term business mogul. Similar to how Magic Johnson approached things but on a grander scale. The best place to do that is New York, and its not even close. He can do it all with the Nets and get mentoring from an incredibly successful businessman as his owner.

NJ makes the most logical sense in every way for LeBron. On the emotional side Cleveland has a huge edge. I figure it'll really come down to those 2 teams. I'm hoping he stays in Cleveland because he's more important to that city than anywhere else, those fans deserve a championship and it'd be good for the league not to be dominated by the coasts.

 

[Abraham]

I also think the fact that Jordan already conquered Chicago is a huge negative for the Bulls. I would be shocked if he didn't go to New Jersey/Brooklyn. But most importantly, I think Prokhorov is probably one of the only people in the game that isn't intimidated by him and that's huge.

Stellar posting. Prokhorov likely conveyed that "I will make the Nets as big as the Yankees and Manchester United in terms of the globabl stature of the team....you can either be part of that, or you can play us 4 times a year. Your choice..."

He wouldn't insult Bron's intelligence with that line.

Why is that insulting his intelligence? I get the distinct feeling that you don't know much about the Nets new owner. For example, there is currently a 227 foot billboard outside of MSG featuring JayZ and Prokhorov and the text "Blueprint for Greatness" on it. The billboard has made James Dolan mad enough that he called Jay Z to say that its "intimidating" his employees.

 

[Dexter Manley]

I also think the fact that Jordan already conquered Chicago is a huge negative for the Bulls. I would be shocked if he didn't go to New Jersey/Brooklyn. But most importantly, I think Prokhorov is probably one of the only people in the game that isn't intimidated by him and that's huge.

Stellar posting. Prokhorov likely conveyed that "I will make the Nets as big as the Yankees and Manchester United in terms of the globabl stature of the team....you can either be part of that, or you can play us 4 times a year. Your choice..."

He wouldn't insult Bron's intelligence with that line.

Why is that insulting his intelligence? I get the distinct feeling that you don't know much about the Nets new owner. For example, there is currently a 227 foot billboard outside of MSG featuring JayZ and Prokhorov and the text "Blueprint for Greatness" on it. The billboard has made James Dolan mad enough that he called Jay Z to say that its "intimidating" his employees.

 

[D'OHtis]

"Hedo Turkoglu has changed his tune about the Raptors recently, and could be involved in a sign-and-trade that would send Chris Bosh to the Bulls for Luol Deng.

Turkoglu acknowledged mistakes in his dealings with Toronto, but it's still hard to imagine him playing there again next year. If the Bulls could get Bosh and lose Deng's big contract, it could mean they would also have a better shot at getting LeBron.

Source: ESPN.com "

 

[Walton Goggins]

I also think the fact that Jordan already conquered Chicago is a huge negative for the Bulls. I would be shocked if he didn't go to New Jersey/Brooklyn. But most importantly, I think Prokhorov is probably one of the only people in the game that isn't intimidated by him and that's huge.

Stellar posting. Prokhorov likely conveyed that "I will make the Nets as big as the Yankees and Manchester United in terms of the globabl stature of the team....you can either be part of that, or you can play us 4 times a year. Your choice..."

He wouldn't insult Bron's intelligence with that line.

Why is that insulting his intelligence? I get the distinct feeling that you don't know much about the Nets new owner. For example, there is currently a 227 foot billboard outside of MSG featuring JayZ and Prokhorov and the text "Blueprint for Greatness" on it. The billboard has made James Dolan mad enough that he called Jay Z to say that its "intimidating" his employees.

Who doesn't know about the Nets owner? Pretty tough not to unless you never watch TV or the internet, he's everywhere. From his interviews I've seen and what I've read about him I would be surprised he would use this tactic.

 

[Gr00vus]

STEIN_LINE_HQ Lakers just announced that mega free agent Phil Jackson will be back next season

The league is better with him.

HowardBeckNYT In statement, Jackson indicates this will be his final season. "It'll be the last stand for me, and I hope a grand one."

I wonder if Shaw knew this when he withdrew his name from consideration for the Cavs job. Now Shaw gets one more year of grooming and then will get the keys. Great for the Lakers as Shaw will be less likely to make significant changes compared to Scott.

 

[Walton Goggins]

I also think the fact that Jordan already conquered Chicago is a huge negative for the Bulls. I would be shocked if he didn't go to New Jersey/Brooklyn. But most importantly, I think Prokhorov is probably one of the only people in the game that isn't intimidated by him and that's huge.

Stellar posting. Prokhorov likely conveyed that "I will make the Nets as big as the Yankees and Manchester United in terms of the globabl stature of the team....you can either be part of that, or you can play us 4 times a year. Your choice..."

He wouldn't insult Bron's intelligence with that line.

Why is that insulting his intelligence? I get the distinct feeling that you don't know much about the Nets new owner. For example, there is currently a 227 foot billboard outside of MSG featuring JayZ and Prokhorov and the text "Blueprint for Greatness" on it. The billboard has made James Dolan mad enough that he called Jay Z to say that its "intimidating" his employees.

 

[Steelfan7]

I completely disagree. If anything, doesn't Rose need to have the ball to have value? He doesn't really have an outside shot, and is a mediocre defender. Terrance Williams has the potential to be a very solid defender, and Lopez is not a sieve in that area. Not getting where people are saying he is a poor defender.

Rose has a very reliable outside jumper that James could set up repeatedly. I already outline earlier in this thread that Rose/James would only play about 30 minutes a game together and they could split the main ball handling duties enough for each to develop their off the ball game much like Pippen allowed Jordan to do. Neither Rose or James had any choice but to dominate the ball since they both didn't have the teammates to allow them to be off the ball. Now they both do and their games will develop because of it. Rose will actually be able to spot up for jumpers and James will be able to find his niche on the offensive end without the ball.I also posted earlier that Lopez allowed a 19.9 PER to opposing players while Noah allowed a 17.9 PER. More importantly, Noah's rebound rate of 20.4 (5th among C) dwarfs Lopez's rate of 13.5 (40th among C). Lopez might not be bad defensively but Noah is better defensively man to man, a great help defender, and the main weakness of Lopez is his rebounding which is Noah's strength. Add that Noah is a very good athlete who is a solid passer and runs the floor better than almost any big man, he will be a very good fit for James.

I beg to differ. Currently Rose does not have a reliable outside jumper.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Why is that insulting his intelligence? I get the distinct feeling that you don't know much about the Nets new owner. For example, there is currently a 227 foot billboard outside of MSG featuring JayZ and Prokhorov and the text "Blueprint for Greatness" on it. The billboard has made James Dolan mad enough that he called Jay Z to say that its "intimidating" his employees.

I love the imagery of Knicks employees seeing that billboard and falling to go ground cowering like pro soccer players.

I was picturing something similar to the Japanese fleeing in panic at the site of Godzilla.

 

[Walton Goggins]

Knicks are in desperation mode now. Rockets can swap 1st round picks next year and have a protected top 5 the year after. I bet Dolan never counted on the Nets new influence. Really hope they blow all their money and stay bad enough in the next few years. Please make this happen Dolan!!!

 

[Steelfan7]

I also think the fact that Jordan already conquered Chicago is a huge negative for the Bulls. I would be shocked if he didn't go to New Jersey/Brooklyn. But most importantly, I think Prokhorov is probably one of the only people in the game that isn't intimidated by him and that's huge.

Stellar posting. Prokhorov likely conveyed that "I will make the Nets as big as the Yankees and Manchester United in terms of the globabl stature of the team....you can either be part of that, or you can play us 4 times a year. Your choice..."

Exactly. This is a very effective recruiting tactic. No pressure. You just tell it like it is.

So the Nets idea of inspiring Lebron to sign with them is "hey you get to play in Newark for the next 2 seasons!!" "You ready to sign now?"

 

[boubucarow]

I already outline earlier in this thread that Rose/James would only play about 30 minutes a game together

Great idea to play your two best players only 30 minutes together.

You will always want one on the floor, no? If they play 37-40 typically and u will have about 8 minutes with just rose and 8 with just lebron leaving around 30 together, u think the dynasty bulls were different, pippen would run the 2nd unit without jordan

 

[Steelfan7]

Knicks are in desperation mode now. Rockets can swap 1st round picks next year and have a protected top 5 the year after. I bet Dolan never counted on the Nets new influence. Really hope they blow all their money and stay bad enough in the next few years. Please make this happen Dolan!!!

It's NY or Cleveland for Lebron. The Nets are a few yrs away from being a potential landing spot for Lebron at best. You better hope the Knicks don't suck too bad and end up with the 1st pick in the draft.

 

[Abraham]

I also think the fact that Jordan already conquered Chicago is a huge negative for the Bulls. I would be shocked if he didn't go to New Jersey/Brooklyn. But most importantly, I think Prokhorov is probably one of the only people in the game that isn't intimidated by him and that's huge.

Stellar posting. Prokhorov likely conveyed that "I will make the Nets as big as the Yankees and Manchester United in terms of the globabl stature of the team....you can either be part of that, or you can play us 4 times a year. Your choice..."

He wouldn't insult Bron's intelligence with that line.

Why is that insulting his intelligence? I get the distinct feeling that you don't know much about the Nets new owner. For example, there is currently a 227 foot billboard outside of MSG featuring JayZ and Prokhorov and the text "Blueprint for Greatness" on it. The billboard has made James Dolan mad enough that he called Jay Z to say that its "intimidating" his employees.

Who doesn't know about the Nets owner? Pretty tough not to unless you never watch TV or the internet, he's everywhere. From his interviews I've seen and what I've read about him I would be surprised he would use this tactic.

The billboard? Its hanging right now outside MSG.No, I don't think he'd walk in like some big whig and talk to Lebron that way. But I think he would be very excited to tell LBJ about his plans for expanding the appeal of the NEts brand. I think most of their meeting had a lot more to do with "this is what we're planning to do so that the Brooklyn Bears (or whatever) are one of the premier sports franchises in the world."

 

[Dexter Manley]

I also think the fact that Jordan already conquered Chicago is a huge negative for the Bulls. I would be shocked if he didn't go to New Jersey/Brooklyn. But most importantly, I think Prokhorov is probably one of the only people in the game that isn't intimidated by him and that's huge.

Stellar posting. Prokhorov likely conveyed that "I will make the Nets as big as the Yankees and Manchester United in terms of the globabl stature of the team....you can either be part of that, or you can play us 4 times a year. Your choice..."

Exactly. This is a very effective recruiting tactic. No pressure. You just tell it like it is.

So the Nets idea of inspiring Lebron to sign with them is "hey you get to play in Newark for the next 2 seasons!!" "You ready to sign now?"

You could say that if you're a terrible salesman.Prokhorov has a master plan to turn the Nets into the top bball team on the planet. He's thinking global domination. His plan is going to remain the same with or without LeBron. He's basically giving LeBron a once in a lifetime opportunity.

And isn't Newark basically like a suburb of NYC that's in NJ? It's not like LeBron has to live in New Jersey for 2 years. He could commute from NYC.

 

[Steelfan7]

I also think the fact that Jordan already conquered Chicago is a huge negative for the Bulls. I would be shocked if he didn't go to New Jersey/Brooklyn. But most importantly, I think Prokhorov is probably one of the only people in the game that isn't intimidated by him and that's huge.

Stellar posting. Prokhorov likely conveyed that "I will make the Nets as big as the Yankees and Manchester United in terms of the globabl stature of the team....you can either be part of that, or you can play us 4 times a year. Your choice..."

Exactly. This is a very effective recruiting tactic. No pressure. You just tell it like it is.

So the Nets idea of inspiring Lebron to sign with them is "hey you get to play in Newark for the next 2 seasons!!" "You ready to sign now?"

You could say that if you're a terrible salesman.Prokhorov has a master plan to turn the Nets into the top bball team on the planet. He's thinking global domination. His plan is going to remain the same with or without LeBron. He's basically giving LeBron a once in a lifetime opportunity.

And isn't Newark basically like a suburb of NYC that's in NJ? It's not like LeBron has to live in New Jersey for 2 years. He could commute from NYC.

Great start to his master plan in running off one of the most respected basketball people in Rod Thorn.

 

[Steelfan7]

I also think the fact that Jordan already conquered Chicago is a huge negative for the Bulls. I would be shocked if he didn't go to New Jersey/Brooklyn. But most importantly, I think Prokhorov is probably one of the only people in the game that isn't intimidated by him and that's huge.

Stellar posting. Prokhorov likely conveyed that "I will make the Nets as big as the Yankees and Manchester United in terms of the globabl stature of the team....you can either be part of that, or you can play us 4 times a year. Your choice..."

Exactly. This is a very effective recruiting tactic. No pressure. You just tell it like it is.

So the Nets idea of inspiring Lebron to sign with them is "hey you get to play in Newark for the next 2 seasons!!" "You ready to sign now?"

You could say that if you're a terrible salesman.Prokhorov has a master plan to turn the Nets into the top bball team on the planet. He's thinking global domination. His plan is going to remain the same with or without LeBron. He's basically giving LeBron a once in a lifetime opportunity.

And isn't Newark basically like a suburb of NYC that's in NJ? It's not like LeBron has to live in New Jersey for 2 years. He could commute from NYC.

Yeah it's every kid's dream to grow up and play basketball in basketball mecca known as New Jersey.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Great start to his master plan in running off one of the most respected basketball people in Rod Thorn.

Pretty sure if he wanted Rod Thorn there, he would still be there, no?Personally, I think the guy is overrated.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Yeah it's every kid's dream to grow up and play basketball in basketball mecca known as New Jersey.

You just don't get it. Knicks fan?

 

[Steelfan7]

Yeah it's every kid's dream to grow up and play basketball in basketball mecca known as New Jersey.

You just don't get it. Knicks fan?

What's there to get? What do the Nets have to offer over Cleveland, NY or Chicago? Please don't respond with "Nets have Russian billionaire owner".

 

[Abraham]

Yeah it's every kid's dream to grow up and play basketball in basketball mecca known as New Jersey.

You just don't get it. Knicks fan?

What's there to get? What do the Nets have to offer over Cleveland, NY or Chicago? Please don't respond with "Nets have Russian billionaire owner".

I think the idea is that the Knicks, Chicago, Cleveland, etc. can be perceived as "business as usual" while most folks agree that the new owner is interested in developing his franchise to a different level. Look at the Mavs a decade ago. They were a laughingstock as well. A new owner came in and changed things up and now Dallas puts out a quality product and is an attractive place for players. Will it work? Who knows.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Yeah it's every kid's dream to grow up and play basketball in basketball mecca known as New Jersey.

You just don't get it. Knicks fan?

What's there to get? What do the Nets have to offer over Cleveland, NY or Chicago? Please don't respond with "Nets have Russian billionaire owner".

He could be the center piece of what is effectively a brand new franchise in NYC. And whether you like it or not, ownership is a huge deal. Nets owner >>>> NY, Chicago, Cleveland owners

 

[Steelfan7]

Yeah it's every kid's dream to grow up and play basketball in basketball mecca known as New Jersey.

You just don't get it. Knicks fan?

What's there to get? What do the Nets have to offer over Cleveland, NY or Chicago? Please don't respond with "Nets have Russian billionaire owner".

I think the idea is that the Knicks, Chicago, Cleveland, etc. can be perceived as "business as usual" while most folks agree that the new owner is interested in developing his franchise to a different level. Look at the Mavs a decade ago. They were a laughingstock as well. A new owner came in and changed things up and now Dallas puts out a quality product and is an attractive place for players. Will it work? Who knows.

I don't see Lebron gambling on the new owner succeeding in his plan at the present time. I could foresee Lebron signing a deal with a 3yr out wherever he signs and reevaluates situations then. Too much risk right now for him to do otherwise IMHO.

 

[Abraham]

Yeah it's every kid's dream to grow up and play basketball in basketball mecca known as New Jersey.

You just don't get it. Knicks fan?

What's there to get? What do the Nets have to offer over Cleveland, NY or Chicago? Please don't respond with "Nets have Russian billionaire owner".

I think the idea is that the Knicks, Chicago, Cleveland, etc. can be perceived as "business as usual" while most folks agree that the new owner is interested in developing his franchise to a different level. Look at the Mavs a decade ago. They were a laughingstock as well. A new owner came in and changed things up and now Dallas puts out a quality product and is an attractive place for players. Will it work? Who knows.

I don't see Lebron gambling on the new owner succeeding in his plan at the present time. I could foresee Lebron signing a deal with a 3yr out wherever he signs and reevaluates situations then. Too much risk right now for him to do otherwise IMHO.

Fair point. Like I said, I have no idea if its going to be enough. But I think that's the "play" for the NEts.

 

[Steelfan7]

Yeah it's every kid's dream to grow up and play basketball in basketball mecca known as New Jersey.

You just don't get it. Knicks fan?

What's there to get? What do the Nets have to offer over Cleveland, NY or Chicago? Please don't respond with "Nets have Russian billionaire owner".

He could be the center piece of what is effectively a brand new franchise in NYC. And whether you like it or not, ownership is a huge deal.

Nets owner >>>> NY, Chicago, Cleveland owners

I'd like to hear your criteria for that statement. Dolan and Gilbert both have proven that they will spend money. Dolan has the luxury tax receipts to prove it.

 

[EZD222]

Yeah it's every kid's dream to grow up and play basketball in basketball mecca known as New Jersey.

You just don't get it. Knicks fan?

What's there to get? What do the Nets have to offer over Cleveland, NY or Chicago? Please don't respond with "Nets have Russian billionaire owner".

He could be the center piece of what is effectively a brand new franchise in NYC. And whether you like it or not, ownership is a huge deal. Nets owner >>>> NY, Chicago, Cleveland owners

Too many what ifs and unknowns in that equation and alot an change in terms of the league in the next 2 years (for better or worse).

 

[Mr. PadresLakers]

Yeah it's every kid's dream to grow up and play basketball in basketball mecca known as New Jersey.

You just don't get it. Knicks fan?

What's there to get? What do the Nets have to offer over Cleveland, NY or Chicago? Please don't respond with "Nets have Russian billionaire owner".

No pressure.

 

[Gr00vus]

Yeah it's every kid's dream to grow up and play basketball in basketball mecca known as New Jersey.

You just don't get it. Knicks fan?

What's there to get? What do the Nets have to offer over Cleveland, NY or Chicago? Please don't respond with "Nets have Russian billionaire owner".

He could be the center piece of what is effectively a brand new franchise in NYC. And whether you like it or not, ownership is a huge deal.

Nets owner >>>> NY, Chicago, Cleveland owners

I'd like to hear your criteria for that statement. Dolan and Gilbert both have proven that they will spend money. Dolan has the luxury tax receipts to prove it.

Dolan and the Knicks have also proven themselves to be pretty clueless. Gilbert's had his shot for 7 years now and gagged. The Knicks don't have enough cap space and roster talent to be better than Cleveland. Cleveland is limited in terms of roster moves. New Jersey doesn't have any of those problems to the extent NY and Cle do.

 

[Steelfan7]

Yeah it's every kid's dream to grow up and play basketball in basketball mecca known as New Jersey.

You just don't get it. Knicks fan?

What's there to get? What do the Nets have to offer over Cleveland, NY or Chicago? Please don't respond with "Nets have Russian billionaire owner".

No pressure.

After the last decade that the Knicks endured there would be no pressure to win his 1st yr. It would be a Lebron lovefest for the 1st yr.

 

[Mr. PadresLakers]

Yeah it's every kid's dream to grow up and play basketball in basketball mecca known as New Jersey.

You just don't get it. Knicks fan?

What's there to get? What do the Nets have to offer over Cleveland, NY or Chicago? Please don't respond with "Nets have Russian billionaire owner".

No pressure.

After the last decade that the Knicks endured there would be no pressure to win his 1st yr. It would be a Lebron lovefest for the 1st yr.

Maybe for the 1sr year but after that? Among those teams the Nets clearly would have less pressure attached to signing on the bottom line.

 

[Chaka]

Why is that insulting his intelligence? I get the distinct feeling that you don't know much about the Nets new owner. For example, there is currently a 227 foot billboard outside of MSG featuring JayZ and Prokhorov and the text "Blueprint for Greatness" on it. The billboard has made James Dolan mad enough that he called Jay Z to say that its "intimidating" his employees.

I love the imagery of Knicks employees seeing that billboard and falling to go ground cowering like pro soccer players.

I was picturing something similar to the Japanese fleeing in panic at the site of Godzilla.

More like the Three Stooges at the end of every episode.

 

[Steelfan7]

Dolan and the Knicks have also proven themselves to be pretty clueless. Gilbert's had his shot for 7 years now and gagged. The Knicks don't have enough cap space and roster talent to be better than Cleveland. Cleveland is limited in terms of roster moves. New Jersey doesn't have any of those problems to the extent NY and Cle do.

It's not like the Nets have been on the same level as the Celtics or Lakers thru the years either. Cleveland offers staying close to home. NY offers the big stage and gateway to becoming business icon. Chicago offers better roster than NJ. All 3 teams have something better to offer than the Nets. Now in 3 yrs when they move to Brooklyn and Lebron has some time to see how the new ownership is could be a different story then.

 

[Steelfan7]

Maybe for the 1sr year but after that? Among those teams the Nets clearly would have less pressure attached to signing on the bottom line.

Next yr Knicks have the worthless Eddy Curry and his expiring contract coming off their books to go out and again sign a top FA or acquire one via trade.

 

[Abraham]

Maybe for the 1sr year but after that? Among those teams the Nets clearly would have less pressure attached to signing on the bottom line.

Next yr Knicks have the worthless Eddy Curry and his expiring contract coming off their books to go out and again sign a top FA or acquire one via trade.

I think they are going to end up with David Lee and Carmello, honestly.