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*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (3 Viewers)

'Instinctive said:
Top 10? Let's see...1. Lebron2. Howard3. Durant4. Griffin5. Paul6. Deron Williams7. Al Horford8. Al Horford9. Al Horford10. Al HorfordEDIT: I assumed you meant rookies, but this is funnier for me.
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Jeez, you basically stole Horford at the 10th pick then. I had no idea.
 
'Gr00vus said:
Anybody here willing to give up their top 10/20 guys in the draft based strictly on skill/potential (not need of team drafting in that slot). Just curious, have no obvious ulterior motives. :whistle:
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kyriedwillkantervalanciunasbiyombodonatosveselykawhithe next tier is a jumble of jordan hamilton, morris twins (proly be higher if not headcases), jimmer, alec burks, kenneth faried, tristan thompson, knight and kemba.im sure this is vastly different than the general consensus but philosophically i dont like the potential of pg sized players that play like 2s, and with average efficiency at that.
 
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I've seen the Durant dunk non-stop

I've seen the Gibson dunk non-stop

Can someone give me a reason ESPN hasn't given the same airtime to the Haslem dunk?

 
What does everyone think of Kenneth Faried potential in the NBA. I have heard everything from Kevin Love to Renaldo Balkman. He would definetly be undersized at PF listed between 6'8"- 6'9". In college he pretty much had his way and was a beast downlow but im not so sure that dominance can translate to the pros.

 
'simmonjm said:
What does everyone think of Kenneth Faried potential in the NBA. I have heard everything from Kevin Love to Renaldo Balkman. He would definetly be undersized at PF listed between 6'8"- 6'9". In college he pretty much had his way and was a beast downlow but im not so sure that dominance can translate to the pros.
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The one thing that is nearly a lock to carry over from the NCAA to the NBA is rebounding, and he is one of the best rebounders in the history of the NBA. Not only is he short, but he is very thin for a PF. I would compare him to a Balkman-Reggie Evans love baby. He won't ever be much to look at offensively but he'll be one of the top rebounders (like Evans) in the NBA and will play with Balkman's hustle and athleticism.
 
Good news for No16, Jerry West has signed on as a consultant with the Warriors. It'll be interesting to see how much, and what kind of influence he has on that team in the next few years. Hard to think it could be worse, I figure he'll improve them somehow. Then he'll leave and the Warriors will hand over the fruits of his labor over to the Lakers. ;)

 
'Gr00vus said:
Good news for No16, Jerry West has signed on as a consultant with the Warriors. It'll be interesting to see how much, and what kind of influence he has on that team in the next few years. Hard to think it could be worse, I figure he'll improve them somehow. Then he'll leave and the Warriors will hand over the fruits of his labor over to the Lakers. ;)
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ya id imagine steph curry is a laker for pennies on the dollar in a few years.
 
Definitly happy about this move. The Warriors have tons of questions that need to be answered in order to improve and West is just the guy to answer it. He won't do the grunt work but I expect his opinion to be very important.

With West on board the Warriors can determine the following:

Can Monta and Curry be a winning backcourt?

Can you survive with Lee, Ellis, and curry as three non defenders in the starting unit?

I would say no, but hearing it from West will make it easier when the Dubs trade one of those guys.

 
Thinking of making a VERY large play on the Mavs +2.5 tonight. I think they'll win outright.

Would any of you kind gentlemen caution against placing this wager?

 
How the hell does Harden not start? Dude is one of the best 50 best players in the league right now. (He'd be a 20 PPG scorer on a # of teams around the league)

Their starting unit needs another scorer and facilitator. Especially times like right now when all they're playing is 1-on-1. They get little offense from 3 of their 5 starters.

 
'Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub said:
How the hell does Harden not start? Dude is one of the best 50 best players in the league right now. (He'd be a 20 PPG scorer on a # of teams around the league)Their starting unit needs another scorer and facilitator. Especially times like right now when all they're playing is 1-on-1. They get little offense from 3 of their 5 starters.
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He was horrible until they dumped Green and Thabo is one of the best 5 perimeter defenders in the NBA. Not saying Thabo is the better player, but it makes sense to start him instead. Harden still closes the games and that's all that matters.
 
'Kev4029 said:
'Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub said:
How the hell does Harden not start? Dude is one of the best 50 best players in the league right now. (He'd be a 20 PPG scorer on a # of teams around the league)Their starting unit needs another scorer and facilitator. Especially times like right now when all they're playing is 1-on-1. They get little offense from 3 of their 5 starters.
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He was horrible until they dumped Green and Thabo is one of the best 5 perimeter defenders in the NBA. Not saying Thabo is the better player, but it makes sense to start him instead. Harden still closes the games and that's all that matters.
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I would bench Perkins for this series (not Thabo).
 
Not an NBA watcher if the Pistons aren't good, but does this Westbrook guy think he is Jordan? Seems to take a lot of off balance/bad shots from what I've seen. Could be wrong, just a question.

 
'Doctor Detroit said:
Not an NBA watcher if the Pistons aren't good, but does this Westbrook guy think he is Jordan? Seems to take a lot of off balance/bad shots from what I've seen. Could be wrong, just a question.
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His biggest problem seems to be that he forgets the leagues most dangerous scorer is on his team.
 
'Abraham said:
'Doctor Detroit said:
Not an NBA watcher if the Pistons aren't good, but does this Westbrook guy think he is Jordan? Seems to take a lot of off balance/bad shots from what I've seen. Could be wrong, just a question.
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His biggest problem seems to be that he forgets the leagues most dangerous scorer is on his team.
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With the ridiculously quick first step that Westbrook has, he could just wreak absolute havoc on the defense if he was a true threat to pass consistently.
 
Why would the Thunder ever trade Westbrook?? They have a great young team with shooters, big men, and guys that could draw fouls and drive. Westbrook is explosive great defender and quick. Maynor is probably better than Irving with experience

 
'Raider Nation said:
I don't watch the Mavs every night... tell me why Dirk never posts up on the low blocks?
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He's done better this year of posting up on the low block. Tonight OKC did a great job of not letting him get position where he wanted. Collison played great defense on him until the last 5 minutes or so of the game. After that ridiculous jump ball they had though, Collison kinda of screwed up on a couple of possessions and let Dirk get where he wanted.Huge win tonight. I don't know what would have happened had the game been another 3 minutes, but I'll take it. Even with Dirk not having his typical night and the huge difference in FT shooting, they were able to pull off the win.
 
'sihaokills said:
Why would the Thunder ever trade Westbrook?? They have a great young team with shooters, big men, and guys that could draw fouls and drive. Westbrook is explosive great defender and quick.
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Why would the Celtics trade Cedric Maxwell? Why would the Pistons trade Adrian Dantley? Why would the Lakers trade Norm Nixon? Why would the Blazers trade Sidney Wicks? Why would the Lakers trade Shaquille O'Neal? Et cetera, et cetera.
 
'sihaokills said:
Collision did great... Didn't watch the whole game,.. What happened to Ibaka?
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To be honest I don't know. I guess because Collison was doing such a good job of guarding Dirk they decided to leave him in. I do think the Mavs will make some adjustments, but I'd be shocked if OKC didn't have Collison on him the majority of the games.
 
I just wondered if anybody else noticed that the FT discrepancy was entirely while the Mavs were up big? Just because a team is up by 20 doesn't mean you stop calling fouls. If it's a foul in the first quarter, and it's a foul in the 4th quarter, then ti ought to be a foul in the 2nd and 3rd ones as well. From 10 minutes left in the 2nd quarter until the 1:00 to go in the 3rd, the only FT attempts were 2 shooting fouls for Chandler and the Westbrook technical. That's bull####. Dallas didn't suddenly stop driving in, or pump faking, or getting fouled.

And magically, when the game got close again, Collison holding Dirk became a foul. It was ok in the 2nd and 3rd when the Mavs were up big, but I guess somebody decided that it was a foul if the score was closer than 10 points.

 
'Instinctive said:
I just wondered if anybody else noticed that the FT discrepancy was entirely while the Mavs were up big? Just because a team is up by 20 doesn't mean you stop calling fouls. If it's a foul in the first quarter, and it's a foul in the 4th quarter, then ti ought to be a foul in the 2nd and 3rd ones as well. From 10 minutes left in the 2nd quarter until the 1:00 to go in the 3rd, the only FT attempts were 2 shooting fouls for Chandler and the Westbrook technical. That's bull####. Dallas didn't suddenly stop driving in, or pump faking, or getting fouled. And magically, when the game got close again, Collison holding Dirk became a foul. It was ok in the 2nd and 3rd when the Mavs were up big, but I guess somebody decided that it was a foul if the score was closer than 10 points.
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The NBA has the biggest home field advantage of the 4 major sports. This is the major reason for that advantage.
 
'Instinctive said:
I just wondered if anybody else noticed that the FT discrepancy was entirely while the Mavs were up big? Just because a team is up by 20 doesn't mean you stop calling fouls. If it's a foul in the first quarter, and it's a foul in the 4th quarter, then ti ought to be a foul in the 2nd and 3rd ones as well. From 10 minutes left in the 2nd quarter until the 1:00 to go in the 3rd, the only FT attempts were 2 shooting fouls for Chandler and the Westbrook technical. That's bull####. Dallas didn't suddenly stop driving in, or pump faking, or getting fouled. And magically, when the game got close again, Collison holding Dirk became a foul. It was ok in the 2nd and 3rd when the Mavs were up big, but I guess somebody decided that it was a foul if the score was closer than 10 points.
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Re-watching the game now (thanks ESPN3) and the amount of abuse Dirk is taking with no calls being made is just insane. I know there is always going to be some home-cooking with the refs and the number of fouls called, but it was way out of hand tonight. For a while I thought it was Dwyane Wade wearing a Westbrook jersey for a while there. Guy was getting every single call.
 
I'd love to see more offense facilitated through Harden. OKC desperately needs more ball movement and less 1-on-1 ball. I don't necessarily think OKC needs a PG to play alongside Westbrook -- I think more of the offense should go through Harden playing point guard/forward.

 
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'sihaokills said:
Why would the Thunder ever trade Westbrook?? They have a great young team with shooters, big men, and guys that could draw fouls and drive. Westbrook is explosive great defender and quick. Maynor is probably better than Irving with experience
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In the first three quarters of the game, there were 12 possessions where Westbrook brought the ball up past half-court and didn't pass once. In the fourth quarter, Westbrook didn't pass on 10 possessions. On the game, Westbrook scored 24 points on 7 of 16 shooting (43.8 percent) when he didn't pass.

Kevin Durant may have suffered the most from this. Durant had an offensive touch on 47.3 percent of the possessions he was on court for in the first three quarters. In the fourth quarter, Durant had an offensive touch on just nine possessions, 33.3 percent of the ones he was on the floor.
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'Bogart said:
'Instinctive said:
I just wondered if anybody else noticed that the FT discrepancy was entirely while the Mavs were up big? Just because a team is up by 20 doesn't mean you stop calling fouls. If it's a foul in the first quarter, and it's a foul in the 4th quarter, then ti ought to be a foul in the 2nd and 3rd ones as well. From 10 minutes left in the 2nd quarter until the 1:00 to go in the 3rd, the only FT attempts were 2 shooting fouls for Chandler and the Westbrook technical. That's bull####. Dallas didn't suddenly stop driving in, or pump faking, or getting fouled.

And magically, when the game got close again, Collison holding Dirk became a foul. It was ok in the 2nd and 3rd when the Mavs were up big, but I guess somebody decided that it was a foul if the score was closer than 10 points.
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Re-watching the game now (thanks ESPN3) and the amount of abuse Dirk is taking with no calls being made is just insane. I know there is always going to be some home-cooking with the refs and the number of fouls called, but it was way out of hand tonight. For a while I thought it was Dwyane Wade wearing a Westbrook jersey for a while there. Guy was getting every single call.
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I made that same joke with the guys. "Hey, when did Wade change his number to zero? I thought he was on the Heat? No? I am so lost..."Cuban is a great owner, and I love the guy, but I think the old Cuban pissed off enough officials that the Mavs get more screwed, more often, than any other team in that department.

 
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