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[Village Idiot]

Cavs and Wolves are gonna make this an exciting first 30 minutes tonight.Overall, I think we're looking at alot of movement tonight even with the lockout looming.

I'll be beered up and glued to the draft tonight.I think there will be more interesting manuevering going on after it gets past the 4.This years draft is really intriguing.

 

[Bogart]

At what point does the NBA draft leave the level of excitement of the NFL draft and join the ranks of the MLB and NHL drafts? It seems like every year there are fewer and fewer no-brainer picks, more and more draft and stash tactics, selling of draft picks, etc. I agree with Cappy, before this week, I couldn't have named 10 guys going to be picked tonight, and I watch my fair share of college basketball.

Here is the current draft history for the World Champion Dallas Mavericks:

2010 - Solomon Alabi

2009 - Byron Mullens, Ahmad Nivins

2008 - Shan Foster

2007 - Nick Fazekas, Renaldas Seibutis, Milovan Rakovic

2006 - Maurice Ager, J.R. Pinnock

2005 - No Picks

2004 - Vassilis Spanoulis

Now, granted, Dallas is a unique case because they draft late, draft Euros, take risks. But out of these 10 guys, 5 of them never even signed NBA contracts and none have played meaningful minutes for anyone in the NBA, much less the Mavs.

Yes, you will have a few superstars, but overall, the chances of finding a productive player, even at the top of the draft, is nowhere what it use to be.

 

[TobiasFunke]

At what point does the NBA draft leave the level of excitement of the NFL draft and join the ranks of the MLB and NHL drafts? It seems like every year there are fewer and fewer no-brainer picks, more and more draft and stash tactics, selling of draft picks, etc. I agree with Cappy, before this week, I couldn't have named 10 guys going to be picked tonight, and I watch my fair share of college basketball.Here is the current draft history for the World Champion Dallas Mavericks:2010 - Solomon Alabi2009 - Byron Mullens, Ahmad Nivins2008 - Shan Foster2007 - Nick Fazekas, Renaldas Seibutis, Milovan Rakovic2006 - Maurice Ager, J.R. Pinnock2005 - No Picks2004 - Vassilis SpanoulisNow, granted, Dallas is a unique case because they draft late, draft Euros, take risks. But out of these 10 guys, 5 of them never even signed NBA contracts and none have played meaningful minutes for anyone in the NBA, much less the Mavs.Yes, you will have a few superstars, but overall, the chances of finding a productive player, even at the top of the draft, is nowhere what it use to be.

That's one way to look at it.Another way to look at is is that if the Pistons hadn't selected Milicic with the second overall pick in the 2003 draft (prior to Anthony, Bosh and Wade), the entire NBA would look different right now. A single decision on a single pick completely changed the league for the next 15 years.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Some tweetings:

Tim Chisholm: We're just around 8h till draft and Raps look to be locked in to Knight and Biyombo. I really don't see them passing on Knight if hes there. 4 minutes ago

Ryan Wolstat: Meant to mention that yesterday. Would Cavs really associate with Bron's representatives again? Now thinking they take Valanciunas at 4 4 minutes ago.

Ryan Wolstat: Woj makes a good point that makes me second-guess my TT to Cle. pick. He idolizes LeBron, calls him "family" has his agency, etc. about 5 minutes ago

Chris Haynes: Bismack Biyombo invited to green room. Means #Blazers have little chance at No. 21 to snatch him. about 5 minutes ago

Jonah Ballow: Asked about ice fishing at General Mills @Ricky Rubio said he doesn't know if the #twolves allow him to participate in dangerous activities about 26 minutes ago

Justin Rogers: Detroit Pistons mock draft roundup: Bismack Biyombo still popular option at No.8, but Tristan Thompson gaining ground http://bit.ly/iXh1oi about 32 minutes ago

David Locke: As of right now Jazz could be choosing between Jimmer, Kemba, Alec Burks and Chris Singelton. I would take Burks how about you? about 32 minutes ago

 

[Abraham]

The draft is interesting because while it won't matter for most of the teams, SOMEONE is likely to have a franchise altering evening. Just the like the NFL, it's fun to play "WHAT IF THIS IS THE GUY TO GET US A TITLE!@!@@!@" for fans and owners alike. As mentioned before, Darko going to Detroit changed everything in the NBA. What happens if they take Anthony? Do they win another title? Does he leave town sooner? Do the Nuggets take Darko or Bosh?

Same with Oden and Durant. How different would the league be if the Blazers had Durant?

Of course there are drafts where no one really produces, but there are also drafts where Gilbert Arenas and Michael Redd drop to the second round. For tonight, look at a player like Bismack...if he can be a shut down big man defender like Noah then he can change the competitiveness of a team like Detroit. But if he's a bust, they continue to flounder. WHat if Marshon Brooks really CAN score like Kobe? What if he goes to a team like Houston at 14 and turns in to the next Tracy McGrady in terms of SCORING THE BASKETBALL?

It's fun because it's only two rounds and if only for one night, every pick has a chance to be Michael Jordan or Hakeem for the team that takes them.

 

[Kev4029]

Does he leave town sooner? Do the Nuggets take Darko or Bosh?

He really could have only left Detroit one year sooner, at the same time Wade, Bosh and Lebron's contracts ended/were terminated. And the Nugs would have taken Darko, Kiki Vandeweghe let it be know that if the Nuggets would have gotten the number two pick instead of three they would have taken Darko, and I suspect that they would have strongly considered him over Lebron. Vandeweghe is dumb on the level of Kahn/McHale/Isiah.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

I think Howard would fit well in Chicago. Derek Rose and him would be sick with Boozer at PF

Good point, as there are some teams were Howard wouldn't fit in well.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I think Howard would fit well in Chicago. Derek Rose and him would be sick with Boozer at PF

Good point, as there are some teams were Howard wouldn't fit in well.

He wouldn't fit well in Toronto. He would completely screw up their gameplan of playing zero defense.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

I think Howard would fit well in Chicago. Derek Rose and him would be sick with Boozer at PF

Good point, as there are some teams were Howard wouldn't fit in well.

He wouldn't fit well in Toronto. He would completely screw up their gameplan of playing zero defense.

*whistle*"Whoa, whoa! What the #### are you doing!? Get out of that guy's way?"BTW, I am rooting for Williams to go #1 to Clevo. Not just because I think he's the better player and part of me wants to see Cleveland get back on their feet, but I want to see Minny faced with having to draft another PG, good as Irving is.As a GS fan, I'd like to see them land Tristan Thompson and/or get good value for Monta. As a UCONN fan, I'd like to see Walker slide so he gets a chip on his shoulder. He seems to have been pretty lackadaisical in workouts since the tourney. Or maybe he's just gassed. Who knows.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

I think Howard would fit well in Chicago. Derek Rose and him would be sick with Boozer at PF

Good point, as there are some teams were Howard wouldn't fit in well.

He wouldn't fit well in Toronto. He would completely screw up their gameplan of playing zero defense.

*whistle*"Whoa, whoa! What the #### are you doing!? Get out of that guy's way?"

BTW, I am rooting for Williams to go #1 to Clevo. Not just because I think he's the better player and part of me wants to see Cleveland get back on their feet, but I want to see Minny faced with having to draft another PG, good as Irving is.

As a GS fan, I'd like to see them land Tristan Thompson and/or get good value for Monta. As a UCONN fan, I'd like to see Walker slide so he gets a chip on his shoulder. He seems to have been pretty lackadaisical in workouts since the tourney. Or maybe he's just gassed. Who knows.

As a MN fan, I'd be fine with that. Plenty of teams would be calling.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

I think Howard would fit well in Chicago. Derek Rose and him would be sick with Boozer at PF

Good point, as there are some teams were Howard wouldn't fit in well.

He wouldn't fit well in Toronto. He would completely screw up their gameplan of playing zero defense.

*whistle*"Whoa, whoa! What the #### are you doing!? Get out of that guy's way?"

BTW, I am rooting for Williams to go #1 to Clevo. Not just because I think he's the better player and part of me wants to see Cleveland get back on their feet, but I want to see Minny faced with having to draft another PG, good as Irving is.

As a GS fan, I'd like to see them land Tristan Thompson and/or get good value for Monta. As a UCONN fan, I'd like to see Walker slide so he gets a chip on his shoulder. He seems to have been pretty lackadaisical in workouts since the tourney. Or maybe he's just gassed. Who knows.

As a MN fan, I'd be fine with that. Plenty of teams would be calling.

Of course. But there's also the chance that Kahn plays 4 PG's at the same time next year. He's the closest we have to Isiah until Isiah comes back.*Kirk yelling Khaaaaaan!*

 

[[scooter]]

Here is the current draft history for the World Champion Dallas Mavericks:2010 - Solomon Alabi2009 - Byron Mullens, Ahmad Nivins2008 - Shan Foster2007 - Nick Fazekas, Renaldas Seibutis, Milovan Rakovic2006 - Maurice Ager, J.R. Pinnock2005 - No Picks2004 - Vassilis Spanoulis

So when was the last time a team won the NBA championship with a roster that had ZERO draft picks from the previous 11 seasons?

 

[Funkley]

I think Howard would fit well in Chicago. Derek Rose and him would be sick with Boozer at PF

Good point, as there are some teams were Howard wouldn't fit in well.

He wouldn't fit well in Toronto. He would completely screw up their gameplan of playing zero defense.

*whistle*"Whoa, whoa! What the #### are you doing!? Get out of that guy's way?"

BTW, I am rooting for Williams to go #1 to Clevo. Not just because I think he's the better player and part of me wants to see Cleveland get back on their feet, but I want to see Minny faced with having to draft another PG, good as Irving is.

As a GS fan, I'd like to see them land Tristan Thompson and/or get good value for Monta. As a UCONN fan, I'd like to see Walker slide so he gets a chip on his shoulder. He seems to have been pretty lackadaisical in workouts since the tourney. Or maybe he's just gassed. Who knows.

As a MN fan, I'd be fine with that. Plenty of teams would be calling.

Of course. But there's also the chance that Kahn plays 4 PG's at the same time next year. He's the closest we have to Isiah until Isiah comes back.*Kirk yelling Khaaaaaan!*

In this scenario, Khan is screwed either way. If he takes Irving he's an idiot for taking another pg. If he passes on Irving he's an idiot for passing on the #1 player in the draft.

 

[Gr00vus]

In this scenario, Khan is screwed either way. If he takes Irving he's an idiot for taking another pg. If he passes on Irving he's an idiot for passing on the #1 player in the draft.

Who would you deal - Rubio or Irving?

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

In this scenario, Khan is screwed either way. If he takes Irving he's an idiot for taking another pg. If he passes on Irving he's an idiot for passing on the #1 player in the draft.

Who would you deal - Rubio or Irving?

Depends on the offers I'd get. I think Irving has more upside. He's the only player in this draft I think has star potential.

 

[Bobcat10]

Ford:

The Cleveland Cavaliers have the No. 1 and No. 4 picks in the draft. But will they also snag another lottery pick? Sources say the Cavs have been very actively trying to do just that, with a massive $14.5 million trade exception as the device. The offer? Give us your pick and we'll take back a bad contract into our trade exception, which permits the Cavs to take back salary of more than $14 million. In that scenario, the Sacramento Kings and the Detroit Pistons look like the most intriguing potential partners. Would the Kings be willing to give up the No. 7 pick if the Cavs gave them Ramon Sessions and took back Francisco Garcia? The Kings are already under the salary cap, but Garcia has $12 million over two years on his contract, and Sacramento would love to move him. Or if it's Detroit at No. 8, Cleveland could swallow an even bigger contract, such as that belonging to Richard Hamilton ($12.5 million next season) or Charlie Villanueva (three years, $24 million remaining). The Cavs would love to get Kyrie Irving, Tristan Thompson and Jonas Valanciunas in the lottery. Or they could also make a stab at getting Minnesota's No. 2 pick for, let's say, the No. 4 and No. 7 (or No. 8) picks.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Ford:

The Cleveland Cavaliers have the No. 1 and No. 4 picks in the draft. But will they also snag another lottery pick?

The Cavs would love to get Kyrie Irving, Tristan Thompson and Jonas Valanciunas in the lottery. Or they could also make a stab at getting Minnesota's No. 2 pick for, let's say, the No. 4 and No. 7 (or No. 8) picks.

:boner:

 

[Gr00vus]

It'd be great to see the Cavs land 3 top 10 picks. Instantly relevant after 1 year of down time.

 

[Gr00vus]

In this scenario, Khan is screwed either way. If he takes Irving he's an idiot for taking another pg. If he passes on Irving he's an idiot for passing on the #1 player in the draft.

Who would you deal - Rubio or Irving?

Depends on the offers I'd get. I think Irving has more upside. He's the only player in this draft I think has star potential.

What's the market for Rubio? I'm struggling to think of teams that'd match up trade partner wise with what Minny has/needs.

 

[Bobcat10]

Ford:

The Cleveland Cavaliers have the No. 1 and No. 4 picks in the draft. But will they also snag another lottery pick?

The Cavs would love to get Kyrie Irving, Tristan Thompson and Jonas Valanciunas in the lottery. Or they could also make a stab at getting Minnesota's No. 2 pick for, let's say, the No. 4 and No. 7 (or No. 8) picks.

:boner:

I'm all bonered up either way.Irving + Williams

Or

Irving + TT + Jonas

And supposedly...TT super wowed the Cavs brass this week putting him right in the mix at #4 and Jonas was in for a secret private workout Tuesday (who they are also impressed with).

 

[Bogart]

Here is the current draft history for the World Champion Dallas Mavericks:2010 - Solomon Alabi2009 - Byron Mullens, Ahmad Nivins2008 - Shan Foster2007 - Nick Fazekas, Renaldas Seibutis, Milovan Rakovic2006 - Maurice Ager, J.R. Pinnock2005 - No Picks2004 - Vassilis Spanoulis

So when was the last time a team won the NBA championship with a roster that had ZERO draft picks from the previous 11 seasons?

The recent draft results for LAL and BOS aren't as bad, but they are pretty low in the winning percentage as well.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Ford:

The Cleveland Cavaliers have the No. 1 and No. 4 picks in the draft. But will they also snag another lottery pick?

Sources say the Cavs have been very actively trying to do just that, with a massive $14.5 million trade exception as the device. The offer? Give us your pick and we'll take back a bad contract into our trade exception, which permits the Cavs to take back salary of more than $14 million.

In that scenario, the Sacramento Kings and the Detroit Pistons look like the most intriguing potential partners. Would the Kings be willing to give up the No. 7 pick if the Cavs gave them Ramon Sessions and took back Francisco Garcia? The Kings are already under the salary cap, but Garcia has $12 million over two years on his contract, and Sacramento would love to move him.

Or if it's Detroit at No. 8, Cleveland could swallow an even bigger contract, such as that belonging to Richard Hamilton ($12.5 million next season) or Charlie Villanueva (three years, $24 million remaining).

The Cavs would love to get Kyrie Irving, Tristan Thompson and Jonas Valanciunas in the lottery. Or they could also make a stab at getting Minnesota's No. 2 pick for, let's say, the No. 4 and No. 7 (or No. 8) picks.

I'm fine with all of this except taking TT and Valenciunas. 3 top 10 picks and they would still have nobody to put the ball in the basket from the wing??? No good. I get that they like TT, but you have Hickson who was 16 and 10 since Jan 1. You still have Jamison. Hell Samardo Samuels was even serviceable this year. If you take a chance on Valenciunas, Klay Thompson should be the pick at 7.

 

[Instinctive]

Here is the current draft history for the World Champion Dallas Mavericks:2010 - Solomon Alabi2009 - Byron Mullens, Ahmad Nivins2008 - Shan Foster2007 - Nick Fazekas, Renaldas Seibutis, Milovan Rakovic2006 - Maurice Ager, J.R. Pinnock2005 - No Picks2004 - Vassilis Spanoulis

So when was the last time a team won the NBA championship with a roster that had ZERO draft picks from the previous 11 seasons?

The recent draft results for LAL and BOS aren't as bad, but they are pretty low in the winning percentage as well.

What's too bad is that guys like Josh Howard and Maurice Ager looked like they would be really good. Marquis Daniels as well. Just some awful luck with Daniels and Howard turned out to be an idiot, plus I have no idea what happened to Ager. Really liked him to grow for some reason or other.

 

[sihaokills]

Ford:

The Cleveland Cavaliers have the No. 1 and No. 4 picks in the draft. But will they also snag another lottery pick? Sources say the Cavs have been very actively trying to do just that, with a massive $14.5 million trade exception as the device. The offer? Give us your pick and we'll take back a bad contract into our trade exception, which permits the Cavs to take back salary of more than $14 million. In that scenario, the Sacramento Kings and the Detroit Pistons look like the most intriguing potential partners. Would the Kings be willing to give up the No. 7 pick if the Cavs gave them Ramon Sessions and took back Francisco Garcia? The Kings are already under the salary cap, but Garcia has $12 million over two years on his contract, and Sacramento would love to move him. Or if it's Detroit at No. 8, Cleveland could swallow an even bigger contract, such as that belonging to Richard Hamilton ($12.5 million next season) or Charlie Villanueva (three years, $24 million remaining). The Cavs would love to get Kyrie Irving, Tristan Thompson and Jonas Valanciunas in the lottery. Or they could also make a stab at getting Minnesota's No. 2 pick for, let's say, the No. 4 and No. 7 (or No. 8) picks.

It would be amazing if the Cavs had 3 top 10 picks

 

[Abraham]

As it is every year, I'm "falling in love" with all of these mid-round guys because of my hopes for Houston. Doens't matter that most folks are :X on this draft class - I've convinced myself that we're one Chris Singelton and one Marshon Brooks away from a three-peat.

 

[Kev4029]

In this scenario, Khan is screwed either way. If he takes Irving he's an idiot for taking another pg. If he passes on Irving he's an idiot for passing on the #1 player in the draft.

Who would you deal - Rubio or Irving?

Depends on the offers I'd get. I think Irving has more upside. He's the only player in this draft I think has star potential.

What's the market for Rubio? I'm struggling to think of teams that'd match up trade partner wise with what Minny has/needs.

GSW for Ellis? NY for Fields, Douglas and a first? LAC for Kaman+? Portland for Batum and Miller? Houston for Kevin Martin? Dallas sign and trade for Chandler? Toronto for Bargnani (this one would be fun, Love and Bargnani playing no defense and raining jump shots all day)?

 

[Abraham]

It would be amazing if the Cavs had 3 top 10 picks

Irving (1), Jonas (4) and Leonard or Thompson would be a HAUL.

 

[Frostillicus]

That said, part of the appeal of bringing in McHale is that he is supposed to be really good with big men.

Like Michael Olowokandi, Rasho Nesterovic, Paul Grant, Cherokee Parks, Christian Laettner, Felton Spencer, Luc Longley, and Loren Woods?

Laettner had his best season in Minnesota after McHale joined the front office. Nesterovic and Parks had career years with McHale.And Spencer and Longley weren't even with the Timberwolves when McHale was there.So, yeah, if you want to blame McHale for failing to resurrect guys who were busts before, during, and after he tutored them (Olowokandi, Grant, Woods)...........ummmm.....touche?

Yes

 

[Village Idiot]

If the Cavs got a deal done and ended up with Irving, Valenciunas, and Klay Thompson without giving up Hickson, I'd have a boner for a month.

Swap Kanter out for Valenciunas and I'm still there.

Please make this happen you cheap need money in Sacramento bastages.

 

[Funkley]

In this scenario, Khan is screwed either way. If he takes Irving he's an idiot for taking another pg. If he passes on Irving he's an idiot for passing on the #1 player in the draft.

Who would you deal - Rubio or Irving?

Depends on the offers I'd get. I think Irving has more upside. He's the only player in this draft I think has star potential.

This

 

[Good Posting Judge]

In this scenario, Khan is screwed either way. If he takes Irving he's an idiot for taking another pg. If he passes on Irving he's an idiot for passing on the #1 player in the draft.

Who would you deal - Rubio or Irving?

Depends on the offers I'd get. I think Irving has more upside. He's the only player in this draft I think has star potential.

What's the market for Rubio? I'm struggling to think of teams that'd match up trade partner wise with what Minny has/needs.

GSW for Ellis? NY for Fields, Douglas and a first? LAC for Kaman+? Portland for Batum and Miller? Houston for Kevin Martin? Dallas sign and trade for Chandler? Toronto for Bargnani (this one would be fun, Love and Bargnani playing no defense and raining jump shots all day)?

I don't think anybody really thinks that highly of Rubio. Maybe I'm wrong.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Utah Targeting Derrick Williams in 3 Team DealWe're hearing that there is a 3 team deal in the works between Utah, Washington and Minnesota.The deal would send the 6th pick and players (and/or cap relief) to Minnesota.Utah would get the 2nd pick and is targeting Derrick Williams.Washington would get the 3rd pick and is targeting Enes Kanter.And Minnesota would move back and dump salary or add veterans such as Paul Millsap.Minnesota might not be done at that as there is speculation that they would trade 6 to either move down again or add more established veterans.The deal would likely involve established players. Some names that have been mentioned: Jonny Flynn and Devin Harris.

 

[Village Idiot]

Ford:

The Cleveland Cavaliers have the No. 1 and No. 4 picks in the draft. But will they also snag another lottery pick?

The Cavs would love to get Kyrie Irving, Tristan Thompson and Jonas Valanciunas in the lottery. Or they could also make a stab at getting Minnesota's No. 2 pick for, let's say, the No. 4 and No. 7 (or No. 8) picks.

:boner:

I'm torn on this one.Irving and Williams vs.

Irving, Jonas or Kanter and Thompson.

Plugging 3 holes vs. getting the 2 guys that are supposed to be the best 2 in the draft.

 

[Village Idiot]

Utah Targeting Derrick Williams in 3 Team DealWe're hearing that there is a 3 team deal in the works between Utah, Washington and Minnesota.The deal would send the 6th pick and players (and/or cap relief) to Minnesota.Utah would get the 2nd pick and is targeting Derrick Williams.Washington would get the 3rd pick and is targeting Enes Kanter.And Minnesota would move back and dump salary or add veterans such as Paul Millsap.Minnesota might not be done at that as there is speculation that they would trade 6 to either move down again or add more established veterans.The deal would likely involve established players. Some names that have been mentioned: Jonny Flynn and Devin Harris.

I'm ok with this.it still leaves the Irving, Jonas, Thompson scenario in play.

 

[wadegarrett]

It'd be great to see the Cavs land 3 top 10 picks.

Regardless of who the Cavs get tonight, this is going to be fun to watch. And I'm off the next 11 days!

 

[Funkley]

Oy vey......Khan hard at work f'n this up just to win 35 games this year and save his ####. And once again dooming the Wolves to mediocrity. I'm telling you, the Wolves are desperate to not be in the high lottery next year with no pick of their own.

 

[Frostillicus]

Ford:

The Cleveland Cavaliers have the No. 1 and No. 4 picks in the draft. But will they also snag another lottery pick?

The Cavs would love to get Kyrie Irving, Tristan Thompson and Jonas Valanciunas in the lottery. Or they could also make a stab at getting Minnesota's No. 2 pick for, let's say, the No. 4 and No. 7 (or No. 8) picks.

:boner:

 

[wadegarrett]

Sources: Cavs eye Jonas Valanciunas

Ric Bucher

ESPN.com

The Cleveland Cavaliers are expected to take Lithuania's Jonas Valanciunas with the No. 4 pick even if Kentucky's Enes Kanter is still available, league sources said Thursday morning.

Cleveland is still expected to take Duke point guard Kyrie Irving with the No. 1 pick, with Arizona forward Derrick Williams likely to be Minnesota's pick at No. 2.

The Utah Jazz are deciding between Kentucky guard Brandon Knight and Kanter, with Kanter the choice anticipated by several general managers who hold subsequent lottery picks.

The consensus is that Valanciunas will not be able to escape his existing contract with Lietuvos Rytas until January at the earliest, but that does not scare off the Cavaliers, who sources say compare Valanciunas favorably to the Lakers' Pau Gasol.

If the Jazz select Knight and the Cavs take Valanciunas, Kanter could be taken by Toronto as the fifth pick, but certainly wouldn't get past the Wizards at No. 6.

Kanter attended classes at Kentucky but could not play because he was ruled ineligible by the NCAA after playing professionally in Turkey.

Link

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Oy vey......Khan hard at work f'n this up just to win 35 games this year and save his ####. And once again dooming the Wolves to mediocrity. I'm telling you, the Wolves are desperate to not be in the high lottery next year with no pick of their own.

It's always interesting that Wolves fans get mad when they hear Kahn is working the rumor mill and wheeling and dealing.

 

[the moops]

Utah Targeting Derrick Williams in 3 Team DealWe're hearing that there is a 3 team deal in the works between Utah, Washington and Minnesota.The deal would send the 6th pick and players (and/or cap relief) to Minnesota.Utah would get the 2nd pick and is targeting Derrick Williams.Washington would get the 3rd pick and is targeting Enes Kanter.And Minnesota would move back and dump salary or add veterans such as Paul Millsap.Minnesota might not be done at that as there is speculation that they would trade 6 to either move down again or add more established veterans.The deal would likely involve established players. Some names that have been mentioned: Jonny Flynn and Devin Harris.

Yay Kahn!Another power forward in Millsap!

 

[Gr00vus]

In this scenario, Khan is screwed either way. If he takes Irving he's an idiot for taking another pg. If he passes on Irving he's an idiot for passing on the #1 player in the draft.

Who would you deal - Rubio or Irving?

Depends on the offers I'd get. I think Irving has more upside. He's the only player in this draft I think has star potential.

What's the market for Rubio? I'm struggling to think of teams that'd match up trade partner wise with what Minny has/needs.

GSW for Ellis? NY for Fields, Douglas and a first? LAC for Kaman+? Portland for Batum and Miller? Houston for Kevin Martin? Dallas sign and trade for Chandler? Toronto for Bargnani (this one would be fun, Love and Bargnani playing no defense and raining jump shots all day)?

GSW: Curry moves to the 2? Maybe, but I think Ellis is worth more than just RubioNY: Why does Minny need Douglas back? They're still stuck with Flynn unless he goes in the deal. It'd be interesting to see Rubio with Stoudamire and Anthony though.LAC: No longer a Kaman fan, don't know what other players the Clips could ship out that Minny could use. Seems like not enough of a get for Minny.Portland: Batum logjams with Beasely, Miller backs up Irving and Minny is still stuck with Flynn - not good for MinnyHouston: That seems like the most reasonable deal for Minny, but then what is Houston doing with Lowry?Dallas: Pretty sure they're sticking with what they've got. Championship teams usually stupidly think they owe the guys who just won a chance to repeat. Maybe Cuban won't be stupid, but losing Chandler would ruin Dallas right now.Toronto: Maybe, though I don't know how much it helps out Toronto.

 

[Abraham]

Rubio's trade value is too low right now to move him. Besides, Irving is going #1. If he falls to two, there will be an absolute feeding frenzy to get the pick from Kahn. In fact, I'd be willing to bet there are already some teams that have called to say, "if Williams goes first, make sure and give us a call..."

 

[Funkley]

Oy vey......Khan hard at work f'n this up just to win 35 games this year and save his ####. And once again dooming the Wolves to mediocrity. I'm telling you, the Wolves are desperate to not be in the high lottery next year with no pick of their own.

It's always interesting that Wolves fans get mad when they hear Kahn is working the rumor mill and wheeling and dealing.

I have no faith

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Oy vey......Khan hard at work f'n this up just to win 35 games this year and save his ####. And once again dooming the Wolves to mediocrity. I'm telling you, the Wolves are desperate to not be in the high lottery next year with no pick of their own.

It's always interesting that Wolves fans get mad when they hear Kahn is working the rumor mill and wheeling and dealing.

I have no faith

Pretty sure Kahn's worst move as a GM was lauded by you as the next Deron Williams.

 

[Funkley]

Oy vey......Khan hard at work f'n this up just to win 35 games this year and save his ####. And once again dooming the Wolves to mediocrity. I'm telling you, the Wolves are desperate to not be in the high lottery next year with no pick of their own.

It's always interesting that Wolves fans get mad when they hear Kahn is working the rumor mill and wheeling and dealing.

I have no faith

Pretty sure Kahn's worst move as a GM was lauded by you as the next Deron Williams.

Point taken but I'm not paid to be an idiot.....I do it for free

 

[the moops]

GSW: Curry moves to the 2? Maybe, but I think Ellis is worth more than just Rubio

 

[Gr00vus]

GSW: Curry moves to the 2? Maybe, but I think Ellis is worth more than just Rubio

 

[Abraham]

No way Ricky Rubio is fetching Ellis on his own.

 

[Kev4029]

No way Ricky Rubio is fetching Ellis on his own.

I was just throwing out some ideas. And I think Ellis is the most overrated player in the NBA. Hes had a TS% of 50.3, 51.7 and 53.6 the last three years, plays no defense, doesn't rebound and is overpaid ($11M/yr if I remember right). There are plenty of guys in the NBA that could average 24 ppg if they were allowed to shot the ball over 20 times a game while offering nothing else to the basketball team.

 

[Abraham]

And I think Ellis is the most overrated player in the NBA. Hes had a TS% of 50.3, 51.7 and 53.6 the last three years, plays no defense, doesn't rebound and is overpaid ($11M/yr if I remember right). There are plenty of guys in the NBA that could average 24 ppg if they were allowed to shot the ball over 20 times a game while offering nothing else to the basketball team.

I don't disagree with you. But unless GS is dying to get out of his contract, I don't imagine they'd trade him for a player like Rubio.