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[the moops]

Tidbit from HoopsHype quotes M. Barnes saying he's talked to Howard and B. Davis and they both want to come to LA. Davis if he's amnestied.

I doubt Cleveland amnesties Baron Davis. There is zero incentive for them to do so. It's not as if they are going to sign a 15 million dollar player to take his place. They would be better waiting to see if they can trade him, or wait until next year to use the amnesty.A Howard and Arenas for Gasol and Bynum works, but I'm not sure the Lakers make that deal, do they?

 

[Steelfan7]

San Antonio? With Duncan, GInobili and Parker? No chance.

For this season, not going forward.

Chicago with Boozer, Rose and Noah is nowhere close.

Deng > Boozer.

I suppose Boston with their 4 instead of 3 may be close, but probably not too close. All 3 of the hypothetical Knick trio are better than any of the Boston quartet.

Pierce and Garnett are much better than Melo and Amare.

OKC have Durant, and I suppose Westbrook, but Perkins and/or Harden are nowhere near the player of Paul/Melo/Amare.

Harden played very well towards the end of last year.

You lost what little credibility you had in this thread.

 

[thecatch]

Tidbit from HoopsHype quotes M. Barnes saying he's talked to Howard and B. Davis and they both want to come to LA. Davis if he's amnestied.

I doubt Cleveland amnesties Baron Davis. There is zero incentive for them to do so. It's not as if they are going to sign a 15 million dollar player to take his place. They would be better waiting to see if they can trade him, or wait until next year to use the amnesty.A Howard and Arenas for Gasol and Bynum works, but I'm not sure the Lakers make that deal, do they?

I believe they can opt to count his salary against the minimum even if they amnesty him. They shouldn't want him around the locker room, and taking any minutes away from Irving.

 

[Kev4029]

Tidbit from HoopsHype quotes M. Barnes saying he's talked to Howard and B. Davis and they both want to come to LA. Davis if he's amnestied.

I doubt Cleveland amnesties Baron Davis. There is zero incentive for them to do so. It's not as if they are going to sign a 15 million dollar player to take his place. They would be better waiting to see if they can trade him, or wait until next year to use the amnesty.A Howard and Arenas for Gasol and Bynum works, but I'm not sure the Lakers make that deal, do they?

The incentive is to get him off the roster without cap ramifications. Sure they probably won't use it (even though they would be able to offer a large contract to somebody without his salary) but just getting him away from Sessions and Irving would be a huge plus.Next season if they don't pick up the option on Gibson and Sessions, all they'll have on their roster are Varejao, Casspi, Eyenga, Irving, and Thompson with about 35 million to spend on free agents. And while the top guys won't go to Cleveland (Howard, Williams, Paul, etc) they could go after Eric Gordon, Gallinari, Gerald Wallace, Nic Batum, Kevin Love, Lopez or Bynum.

They could end up offering Gordon a max contract (which I'm not sure LA would match) and then go after one of the centers with a max contract. On top of that, they would also have their draft pick (Barnes would be nice) to round out a really nice team.

ETA: They would also get the under the salary cap MLE for $2M and get somebody possibly like Nate Robinson to be their 3rd guard.

PG:Irving, Robinson

SG:Gordon, Casspi

SF: Barnes, Casspi, Eyenga

PF: Thompson, Varejao

C: Lopez, Varejao

 

[the moops]

but just getting him away from Sessions and Irving would be a huge plus.

How big of a cancer is Davis anyway? I mean, this line is repeated over, and over, and over. It's as if he is the worst human being in the entire NBA

 

[Cliff Clavin]

but just getting him away from Sessions and Irving would be a huge plus.

How big of a cancer is Davis anyway? I mean, this line is repeated over, and over, and over. It's as if he is the worst human being in the entire NBA

Big. When he isn't motivated (amazing how a huge contract isn't motivation) he gets fat, jacks up terrible shots and is overall pretty terrible. When motivated (contract year or on a contender) he's one of the better PGs in the league.You don't want a lazy selfish ******* like that around rookies.

 

[tommyGunZ]

but just getting him away from Sessions and Irving would be a huge plus.

How big of a cancer is Davis anyway? I mean, this line is repeated over, and over, and over. It's as if he is the worst human being in the entire NBA

Big. When he isn't motivated (amazing how a huge contract isn't motivation) he gets fat, jacks up terrible shots and is overall pretty terrible. When motivated (contract year or on a contender) he's one of the better PGs in the league.You don't want a lazy selfish ******* like that around rookies.

There's a difference between being lazy and being a cancer. Shaq is an example of an extremely lazy guy whom teammates loved. Milton Bradley is a hard worker, but is a crazy, selfish ####### who kills locker rooms with his very presence.I think Davis is more like Shaq than Bradley. A lot of the "cancer" talk is due to his work effort rarely matching his ability.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

I have a big boner for Deng because he's an elite defensive player who shots slightly above average (TS%) for his position with a below average turnover rate. This is easier for him because he's not creating offense like Carmelo, but Deng still is at 17 ppg guy with 20% usage rate, so he's not just a spot shooter. You certainly aren't going run an offense through him, unlike Anthony, but I'm interested in the net effect of having him on the floor regardless of whether he is considered a star or role player.

I am not trying to preach defense over offense as I think they are about equal in importance. I am preaching that offense is more than what a lot of people think. You don't have to score to be have value on offense. Noah's offensive rebounding, and Amare's lack therefor, are important contributions to a teams offensive efficiency.

Deng has a below average turnover rate because he doesn't create offense, he either sets up for open shots or uses a pull up jumper when he does have the ball, its pretty hard to turn the ball over much (plus Melo has the same TO rate but hes creating significantly more offense, which is much more impressive). If Deng was much of an offensive player he would have absolutely blown up last year with Rose getting all the attention he was getting from the opposing team. You are VASTLY underrating the ability of Melo's scoring, he averages 10 points more per 36 minutes. That is a huge number. Deng is an average offensive player and a good (not great) defensive player. Melo is a great offensive player and a poor defensive player.Plus, I think that Deng's defense has become overrated because of the elite, near historically good, defensive big men that the Bulls had backing him up. Asik, Noah and Gibson are everything you could ask for as help defenders. And on top of that, SF is by far the least important position to be a good defender at, the list of solid offensive SFs in the league that you need to cover is about a half dozen long (Lebron, Durant, Melo, Pierce, Granger, Gay), the other decent SFs (Deng, Wallace, Prince, etc) don't need much of a defensive stalwart covering them because they lack a well rounded offensive game. The only truly difference making defensive wing in the NBA is Lebron, other than him I would take 15 different defense bigs (based solely on their defense) than any wing. The impact of a great scorer is so much more important on a nightly basis than being a good defender.

Turnover rate is based on shot attempts, which you probably know. Anthony had about 3.25 assists per 40 minutes vs Deng's 2.9, so it doesn't seem like Anthony is creating a lot more offense than Deng outside of his own shots, which TO rate accounts for. I am not saying that Deng is a better offensive player than Melo, or close. I'm saying that both are close in value once you account for the massive gap in defense between the two. Also, Anthony is only getting I don't see how you can say Deng is not a great defender. His counterpoint data shows when guarding SF they had a 11.3 PER (70% of available minutes) and vs PF's a 12.3 PER (10% minutes.)

Basketball value's adjusted +/- stats have him as the more valuable than Anthony.

http://basketballvalue.com/teamplayers.php?year=2011%20playoffs&team=NYK

http://basketballvalue.com/teamplayers.php?year=2011%20playoffs&team=CHI

Another site with adjusted plus minutes

2011 rankings

http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ranking_rec

2010 rankings

http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ranking10

taken from: http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/

 

[tommyGunZ]

Matt Barnes: "I've talked to Dwight and Baron, and they both want to be here."

Get'r done, Mitch.

 

[thecatch]

but just getting him away from Sessions and Irving would be a huge plus.

How big of a cancer is Davis anyway? I mean, this line is repeated over, and over, and over. It's as if he is the worst human being in the entire NBA

Big. When he isn't motivated (amazing how a huge contract isn't motivation) he gets fat, jacks up terrible shots and is overall pretty terrible. When motivated (contract year or on a contender) he's one of the better PGs in the league.You don't want a lazy selfish ******* like that around rookies.

There's a difference between being lazy and being a cancer. Shaq is an example of an extremely lazy guy whom teammates loved. Milton Bradley is a hard worker, but is a crazy, selfish ####### who kills locker rooms with his very presence.I think Davis is more like Shaq than Bradley. A lot of the "cancer" talk is due to his work effort rarely matching his ability.

"poor influence" is probably a better way to describe than "cancer.". It's semantics either way - only bad things can result from the cavs keeping him around.

 

[the moops]

Matt Barnes: "I've talked to Dwight and Baron, and they both want to be here."Get'r done, Mitch.

How much better isDavis, Kobe, Artest, Odom, Howard with Arenas as 6th manthanFisher, Kobe, Artest, Gasol, Bynum, with Odom as 6th man?

 

[Daywalker]

Matt Barnes: "I've talked to Dwight and Baron, and they both want to be here."Get'r done, Mitch.

How much better isDavis, Kobe, Artest, Odom, Howard with Arenas as 6th manthanFisher, Kobe, Artest, Gasol, Bynum, with Odom as 6th man?

Slightly better now but much better aiming towards the future. When you can get the top big-man in the game you do so and worry about the rest later.Would think LA could get Hedo instead of Arenas if Gasol and Bynum were on the table. Gasol and Bynum probably twice more then any other team can offer for Howard.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Matt Barnes: "I've talked to Dwight and Baron, and they both want to be here."Get'r done, Mitch.

How much better isDavis, Kobe, Artest, Odom, Howard with Arenas as 6th manthanFisher, Kobe, Artest, Gasol, Bynum, with Odom as 6th man?

Far better, in large part b/c even Fat Baron >>> DFish and Howard is perhaps the most indestructible player in hoops - he's missed 7 games in 7 years. 5 times he's played all 82. He and Kobe would be an absolutely PERFECT marriage.

 

[Daywalker]

I'd take Kobe/Odom/Howard over Lebron/Wade/Bosh. It's close but I'll take the bigs.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Matt Barnes: "I've talked to Dwight and Baron, and they both want to be here."Get'r done, Mitch.

How much better isDavis, Kobe, Artest, Odom, Howard with Arenas as 6th manthanFisher, Kobe, Artest, Gasol, Bynum, with Odom as 6th man?

Slightly better now but much better aiming towards the future. When you can get the top big-man in the game you do so and worry about the rest later.Would think LA could get Hedo instead of Arenas if Gasol and Bynum were on the table. Gasol and Bynum probably twice more then any other team can offer for Howard.

Yeah, I think Bynum + Pau would have Otis Smith pulling the trigger instantly. I'm thinking it will be one or the other along with Odom.

 

[tommyGunZ]

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Of course none of this would be possible if the player development guys down in Orlando weren't doing an outstanding job. Thanks Cappy! You're a valuable part of the organizational dynasty that is Laker Basketball.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

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tommyGunZ,Daywalker,Premier

Of course none of this would be possible if the player development guys down in Orlando weren't doing an outstanding job. Thanks Cappy! You're a valuable part of the organizational dynasty that is Laker Basketball.

Cappy works for the Magic?

 

[Kev4029]

I have a big boner for Deng because he's an elite defensive player who shots slightly above average (TS%) for his position with a below average turnover rate. This is easier for him because he's not creating offense like Carmelo, but Deng still is at 17 ppg guy with 20% usage rate, so he's not just a spot shooter. You certainly aren't going run an offense through him, unlike Anthony, but I'm interested in the net effect of having him on the floor regardless of whether he is considered a star or role player.

I am not trying to preach defense over offense as I think they are about equal in importance. I am preaching that offense is more than what a lot of people think. You don't have to score to be have value on offense. Noah's offensive rebounding, and Amare's lack therefor, are important contributions to a teams offensive efficiency.

Deng has a below average turnover rate because he doesn't create offense, he either sets up for open shots or uses a pull up jumper when he does have the ball, its pretty hard to turn the ball over much (plus Melo has the same TO rate but hes creating significantly more offense, which is much more impressive). If Deng was much of an offensive player he would have absolutely blown up last year with Rose getting all the attention he was getting from the opposing team. You are VASTLY underrating the ability of Melo's scoring, he averages 10 points more per 36 minutes. That is a huge number. Deng is an average offensive player and a good (not great) defensive player. Melo is a great offensive player and a poor defensive player.Plus, I think that Deng's defense has become overrated because of the elite, near historically good, defensive big men that the Bulls had backing him up. Asik, Noah and Gibson are everything you could ask for as help defenders. And on top of that, SF is by far the least important position to be a good defender at, the list of solid offensive SFs in the league that you need to cover is about a half dozen long (Lebron, Durant, Melo, Pierce, Granger, Gay), the other decent SFs (Deng, Wallace, Prince, etc) don't need much of a defensive stalwart covering them because they lack a well rounded offensive game. The only truly difference making defensive wing in the NBA is Lebron, other than him I would take 15 different defense bigs (based solely on their defense) than any wing. The impact of a great scorer is so much more important on a nightly basis than being a good defender.

Turnover rate is based on shot attempts, which you probably know. Anthony had about 3.25 assists per 40 minutes vs Deng's 2.9, so it doesn't seem like Anthony is creating a lot more offense than Deng outside of his own shots, which TO rate accounts for. I am not saying that Deng is a better offensive player than Melo, or close. I'm saying that both are close in value once you account for the massive gap in defense between the two. Also, Anthony is only getting I don't see how you can say Deng is not a great defender. His counterpoint data shows when guarding SF they had a 11.3 PER (70% of available minutes) and vs PF's a 12.3 PER (10% minutes.)

Basketball value's adjusted +/- stats have him as the more valuable than Anthony.

http://basketballvalue.com/teamplayers.php?year=2011%20playoffs&team=NYK

http://basketballvalue.com/teamplayers.php?year=2011%20playoffs&team=CHI

Another site with adjusted plus minutes

2011 rankings

http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ranking_rec

2010 rankings

http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ranking10

taken from: http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/

PER against is worthless, Melo had the same 11.3 PER against in Denver last year and he was sand bagging it hard last year. If you have paid any attention to PER against (which you shouldn't because its worthless) you know know how absolutely random and ####ty it is.Deng's +/- stats are inflated because of the fact that Deng plays 40 mpg (a credit to him, no doubt) which most often sees his backup being played with the rest of the backups. Melo's +/- were always negatively affected because of the Nuggets recent history of a strong bench. The team around a player GREATLY impacts their adjusted +/-.

 

[Kev4029]

Matt Barnes: "I've talked to Dwight and Baron, and they both want to be here."Get'r done, Mitch.

How much better isDavis, Kobe, Artest, Odom, Howard with Arenas as 6th manthanFisher, Kobe, Artest, Gasol, Bynum, with Odom as 6th man?

You Lakers fans realize that Davis will have little choice where he ends up, right? There will be a bidding process for amnesty cuts with all teams under the cap, and surely there will be somebody that will at least bid a little bit for him. I could see the Bobcats, Warriors(they had a pretty good experience a few years ago) and Clippers (even though they had a bad experience) bidding a $3M a year or so for him.

 

[Kev4029]

but just getting him away from Sessions and Irving would be a huge plus.

How big of a cancer is Davis anyway? I mean, this line is repeated over, and over, and over. It's as if he is the worst human being in the entire NBA

Big. When he isn't motivated (amazing how a huge contract isn't motivation) he gets fat, jacks up terrible shots and is overall pretty terrible. When motivated (contract year or on a contender) he's one of the better PGs in the league.You don't want a lazy selfish ******* like that around rookies.

There's a difference between being lazy and being a cancer. Shaq is an example of an extremely lazy guy whom teammates loved. Milton Bradley is a hard worker, but is a crazy, selfish ####### who kills locker rooms with his very presence.I think Davis is more like Shaq than Bradley. A lot of the "cancer" talk is due to his work effort rarely matching his ability.

"poor influence" is probably a better way to describe than "cancer.". It's semantics either way - only bad things can result from the cavs keeping him around.

That is probably a better way to put it.The only other option the Cavs have to cut is Varejao and hes a pretty damn good player, even if he is a little overpaid. There isn't really any reason not to cut Davis.

 

[Premier]

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Of course none of this would be possible if the player development guys down in Orlando weren't doing an outstanding job. Thanks Cappy! You're a valuable part of the organizational dynasty that is Laker Basketball.

Say what?I'm a fan with zero input just like you are. You just happen to be a shameless bandwagon whore.

 

[tommyGunZ]

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tommyGunZ,Daywalker,Premier

Of course none of this would be possible if the player development guys down in Orlando weren't doing an outstanding job. Thanks Cappy! You're a valuable part of the organizational dynasty that is Laker Basketball.

Cappy works for the Magic?

Yes, I actually believe Cappy is a FO executive in the Magic, Rays, and Bucs franchises.

 

[tommyGunZ]

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tommyGunZ,Daywalker,Premier

Of course none of this would be possible if the player development guys down in Orlando weren't doing an outstanding job. Thanks Cappy! You're a valuable part of the organizational dynasty that is Laker Basketball.

Say what?I'm a fan with zero input just like you are. You just happen to be a shameless bandwagon whore.

Good point. The Padre and Charger bandwagons I jumped on upon moving to SD were EXTREMELY full back in '02 with the Padres coming off of a 79-83 season and the Chargers coming off of a 5-11 season ending with 9 straight losses. Finding a seat was extremely difficult.

 

[Premier]

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tommyGunZ,Daywalker,Premier

Of course none of this would be possible if the player development guys down in Orlando weren't doing an outstanding job. Thanks Cappy! You're a valuable part of the organizational dynasty that is Laker Basketball.

Say what?I'm a fan with zero input just like you are. You just happen to be a shameless bandwagon whore.

Good point. The Padre and Charger bandwagons I jumped on upon moving to SD were EXTREMELY full back in '02 with the Padres coming off of a 79-83 season and the Chargers coming off of a 5-11 season ending with 9 straight losses. Finding a seat was extremely difficult.

It is hard to believe to talk smack about anything when you're a Padre fan. That has to be the most boring, irrelevant franchise in sports.

 

[Daywalker]

Matt Barnes: "I've talked to Dwight and Baron, and they both want to be here."Get'r done, Mitch.

How much better isDavis, Kobe, Artest, Odom, Howard with Arenas as 6th manthanFisher, Kobe, Artest, Gasol, Bynum, with Odom as 6th man?

You Lakers fans realize that Davis will have little choice where he ends up, right? There will be a bidding process for amnesty cuts with all teams under the cap, and surely there will be somebody that will at least bid a little bit for him. I could see the Bobcats, Warriors(they had a pretty good experience a few years ago) and Clippers (even though they had a bad experience) bidding a $3M a year or so for him.

You realize Bobby Hurley has a better chance getting signed by the Clips than Davis? You also don't think Davis can intimate that he doesn't want to play for Charlotte? As if any team wants to deal with a disgruntled Davis. Don't kid yourself Davis has a lot of say where he will end up given that his contract is guranteed.

 

[pollardsvision]

but just getting him away from Sessions and Irving would be a huge plus.

How big of a cancer is Davis anyway? I mean, this line is repeated over, and over, and over. It's as if he is the worst human being in the entire NBA

Big. When he isn't motivated (amazing how a huge contract isn't motivation) he gets fat, jacks up terrible shots and is overall pretty terrible. When motivated (contract year or on a contender) he's one of the better PGs in the league.You don't want a lazy selfish ******* like that around rookies.

There's a difference between being lazy and being a cancer. Shaq is an example of an extremely lazy guy whom teammates loved. Milton Bradley is a hard worker, but is a crazy, selfish ####### who kills locker rooms with his very presence.I think Davis is more like Shaq than Bradley. A lot of the "cancer" talk is due to his work effort rarely matching his ability.

"poor influence" is probably a better way to describe than "cancer.". It's semantics either way - only bad things can result from the cavs keeping him around.

That is probably a better way to put it.The only other option the Cavs have to cut is Varejao and hes a pretty damn good player, even if he is a little overpaid. There isn't really any reason not to cut Davis.

I have nothing to add to this, except to say that Fat-Lazy Baron makes me very sad. That '07 Dallas series might've been the most enjoyable NBA playoff series I've ever watched. Baron and Stack Jack getting The Oracle rockin'. Jessica Alba cheering them on. Such a magical series. I don't even like the Warriors.

 

[Kev4029]

Matt Barnes: "I've talked to Dwight and Baron, and they both want to be here."Get'r done, Mitch.

How much better isDavis, Kobe, Artest, Odom, Howard with Arenas as 6th manthanFisher, Kobe, Artest, Gasol, Bynum, with Odom as 6th man?

You Lakers fans realize that Davis will have little choice where he ends up, right? There will be a bidding process for amnesty cuts with all teams under the cap, and surely there will be somebody that will at least bid a little bit for him. I could see the Bobcats, Warriors(they had a pretty good experience a few years ago) and Clippers (even though they had a bad experience) bidding a $3M a year or so for him.

You realize Bobby Hurley has a better chance getting signed by the Clips than Davis? You also don't think Davis can intimate that he doesn't want to play for Charlotte? As if any team wants to deal with a disgruntled Davis. Don't kid yourself Davis has a lot of say where he will end up given that his contract is guranteed.

He can ##### and moan all he wants, but there isn't anything he can do about it if hes claimed. Even a team like OKC (or Den or Hou or some other team that thinks they have a shot this year) could claim him and sit him at the end of their bench just to block LA from getting him. He may have some input on where he would like to end up, be he has absolutely zero say in the end.ETA: Sterling is more than spiteful enough to claim him just to #### him over.

 

[Daywalker]

Matt Barnes: "I've talked to Dwight and Baron, and they both want to be here."Get'r done, Mitch.

How much better isDavis, Kobe, Artest, Odom, Howard with Arenas as 6th manthanFisher, Kobe, Artest, Gasol, Bynum, with Odom as 6th man?

You Lakers fans realize that Davis will have little choice where he ends up, right? There will be a bidding process for amnesty cuts with all teams under the cap, and surely there will be somebody that will at least bid a little bit for him. I could see the Bobcats, Warriors(they had a pretty good experience a few years ago) and Clippers (even though they had a bad experience) bidding a $3M a year or so for him.

You realize Bobby Hurley has a better chance getting signed by the Clips than Davis? You also don't think Davis can intimate that he doesn't want to play for Charlotte? As if any team wants to deal with a disgruntled Davis. Don't kid yourself Davis has a lot of say where he will end up given that his contract is guranteed.

He can ##### and moan all he wants, but there isn't anything he can do about it if hes claimed. Even a team like OKC (or Den or Hou or some other team that thinks they have a shot this year) could claim him and sit him at the end of their bench just to block LA from getting him. He may have some input on where he would like to end up, be he has absolutely zero say in the end.ETA: Sterling is more than spiteful enough to claim him just to #### him over.

Don't see many teams willing to give Davis a few million just to block the Lakers. These teams were losing money right?

 

[biggamer3]

You guys read Simmons article from Friday, he is totally right. There will be soooo many bad contracts being signed in the next week since so many teams have cap space and there are so few actually good players on market.

 

[NDyse10]

It was evident in the NBA Finals that the Heat didn't know who they wanted to be their go to player, and I think that is a big problem.

Would Carmelo or Paul be the go to player in NY?

Carmelo. He is the best scorer on that team. Paul is a good scorer, but he also has the ability to play as true point guard. I just like the balance they bring with a true point guard (who can also score) a scoring shooter and a post presence in amare. As someone mentioned it probably is a moot point as Paul won't end up in NY.

 

[Kev4029]

You guys read Simmons article from Friday, he is totally right. There will be soooo many bad contracts being signed in the next week since so many teams have cap space and there are so few actually good players on market.

Bad year for the Nuggets to have tons of cap room and to have the best FA in the class (and possibly the best wing as well in Afflalo) who will be overpaid by 50%+.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

You guys read Simmons article from Friday, he is totally right. There will be soooo many bad contracts being signed in the next week since so many teams have cap space and there are so few actually good players on market.

It's funny to hear him bemoan all of the bad contracts that are signed, and then read some of his trade ideas. Most of which involve one team taking on bad contracts.Baron Davis sucks, btw.

 

[Daywalker]

Bynum and Gasol for Howard, Nelson and Terkolu.

nelson

hedo

kobe

odom

howard

Championship

 

[Bobcat10]

Where is that link to the new CBA? What is the penalty for teams being under the cap?

 

[Time Kibitzer]

Matt Barnes: "I've talked to Dwight and Baron, and they both want to be here."

Get'r done, Mitch.

How much better isDavis, Kobe, Artest, Odom, Howard with Arenas as 6th man

than

Fisher, Kobe, Artest, Gasol, Bynum, with Odom as 6th man?

Who?

 

[Courtjester]

You guys read Simmons article from Friday, he is totally right. There will be soooo many bad contracts being signed in the next week since so many teams have cap space and there are so few actually good players on market.

Bad year for the Nuggets to have tons of cap room and to have the best FA in the class (and possibly the best wing as well in Afflalo) who will be overpaid by 50%+.

Nugs will re-sign Afflao. but they have alreay put their best offer forward to Nene and he didn't sign it. That sort of irks me because they already gave him an initial huge contract 70 million plus and now he is playing the "I feel dissed" card. I say let him walk. I know that creates a hole for the team, but I am really excited to see Faried play. He won't score like Nene, but the second chances he will create will help this team. Nugs fans are realistic. This isn't a Champiomship team, but they have assets, cap room and picks to have a bright future.What I hate is if Paul goes to NY, Howard to LA and we have that mess in Miami, if I am small market fan, why do I give a flying you know what about this league? Either contract 4-6 teams and lets go for all-star squads all-around or lose fans with the loaded teams in the select big market areas.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Matt Barnes: "I've talked to Dwight and Baron, and they both want to be here."

Get'r done, Mitch.

How much better isDavis, Kobe, Artest, Odom, Howard with Arenas as 6th man

than

Fisher, Kobe, Artest, Gasol, Bynum, with Odom as 6th man?

Who?

 

[biggamer3]

You guys read Simmons article from Friday, he is totally right. There will be soooo many bad contracts being signed in the next week since so many teams have cap space and there are so few actually good players on market.

Bad year for the Nuggets to have tons of cap room and to have the best FA in the class (and possibly the best wing as well in Afflalo) who will be overpaid by 50%+.

Nugs will re-sign Afflao. but they have alreay put their best offer forward to Nene and he didn't sign it. That sort of irks me because they already gave him an initial huge contract 70 million plus and now he is playing the "I feel dissed" card. I say let him walk. I know that creates a hole for the team, but I am really excited to see Faried play. He won't score like Nene, but the second chances he will create will help this team. Nugs fans are realistic. This isn't a Champiomship team, but they have assets, cap room and picks to have a bright future.What I hate is if Paul goes to NY, Howard to LA and we have that mess in Miami, if I am small market fan, why do I give a flying you know what about this league? Either contract 4-6 teams and lets go for all-star squads all-around or lose fans with the loaded teams in the select big market areas.

Nene said he would have signed with the Nuggets last year had they offered him extension. They treated him like a business not offering until year was over and he felt dissed. Said he will treat it like a business and he will get a lot more now then he would have gotten had he got the extension he wanted last year. Nuggets played it poorly that's for sure.

 

[Kiddnets]

I thought the NBA wanted to stop these Super Teams....they had a chance to put something together in the new CBA but obviously only cared about BRI $

 

[the moops]

I thought the NBA wanted to stop these Super Teams....they had a chance to put something together in the new CBA but obviously only cared about BRI $

How exactly would you propose they stop players from taking less money to go play where they want to play?

 

[Kev4029]

You guys read Simmons article from Friday, he is totally right. There will be soooo many bad contracts being signed in the next week since so many teams have cap space and there are so few actually good players on market.

Bad year for the Nuggets to have tons of cap room and to have the best FA in the class (and possibly the best wing as well in Afflalo) who will be overpaid by 50%+.

Nugs will re-sign Afflao. but they have alreay put their best offer forward to Nene and he didn't sign it. That sort of irks me because they already gave him an initial huge contract 70 million plus and now he is playing the "I feel dissed" card. I say let him walk. I know that creates a hole for the team, but I am really excited to see Faried play. He won't score like Nene, but the second chances he will create will help this team. Nugs fans are realistic. This isn't a Champiomship team, but they have assets, cap room and picks to have a bright future.What I hate is if Paul goes to NY, Howard to LA and we have that mess in Miami, if I am small market fan, why do I give a flying you know what about this league? Either contract 4-6 teams and lets go for all-star squads all-around or lose fans with the loaded teams in the select big market areas.

Nene said he would have signed with the Nuggets last year had they offered him extension. They treated him like a business not offering until year was over and he felt dissed. Said he will treat it like a business and he will get a lot more now then he would have gotten had he got the extension he wanted last year. Nuggets played it poorly that's for sure.

From my understanding they offered him something like a 5 yr 60 million dollar contract last year, which in any other year is what hes worth.It'll suck to see him go, but if somebody is offering him a max contract and the Nuggets are only offering $12m a year, he should go and follow the bigger pay check. Hes not worth that kind of money, and I would rather have him somewhere else if that's the kind of money teams think he deserves.

 

[biggamer3]

You guys read Simmons article from Friday, he is totally right. There will be soooo many bad contracts being signed in the next week since so many teams have cap space and there are so few actually good players on market.

Bad year for the Nuggets to have tons of cap room and to have the best FA in the class (and possibly the best wing as well in Afflalo) who will be overpaid by 50%+.

Nugs will re-sign Afflao. but they have alreay put their best offer forward to Nene and he didn't sign it. That sort of irks me because they already gave him an initial huge contract 70 million plus and now he is playing the "I feel dissed" card. I say let him walk. I know that creates a hole for the team, but I am really excited to see Faried play. He won't score like Nene, but the second chances he will create will help this team. Nugs fans are realistic. This isn't a Champiomship team, but they have assets, cap room and picks to have a bright future.What I hate is if Paul goes to NY, Howard to LA and we have that mess in Miami, if I am small market fan, why do I give a flying you know what about this league? Either contract 4-6 teams and lets go for all-star squads all-around or lose fans with the loaded teams in the select big market areas.

Nene said he would have signed with the Nuggets last year had they offered him extension. They treated him like a business not offering until year was over and he felt dissed. Said he will treat it like a business and he will get a lot more now then he would have gotten had he got the extension he wanted last year. Nuggets played it poorly that's for sure.

From my understanding they offered him something like a 5 yr 60 million dollar contract last year, which in any other year is what hes worth.It'll suck to see him go, but if somebody is offering him a max contract and the Nuggets are only offering $12m a year, he should go and follow the bigger pay check. Hes not worth that kind of money, and I would rather have him somewhere else if that's the kind of money teams think he deserves.

The story I saw last week said he would have signed the 60m offer had they offered it during season, he felt slighted they waited until after season to offer it

 

[timschochet]

Wilt Chamberlain

Kareem Abdul Jabbar

Shaquille O' Neil

The Lakers have a history of doing whatever they have to to get the best big man in the league. If it takes trading Bynum and Gasol, do it.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Wilt Chamberlain

Kareem Abdul Jabbar

Shaquille O' Neil

The Lakers have a history of doing whatever they have to to get the best big man in the league. If it takes trading Bynum and Gasol, do it.

What the #### is this ####?

 

[the moops]

Wilt Chamberlain

Kareem Abdul Jabbar

Shaquille O' Neil

The Lakers have a history of doing whatever they have to to get the best big man in the league. If it takes trading Bynum and Gasol, do it.

What the #### is this ####?

It would be funny (sad) if Orlando was the team responsible for giving the Lakers two of the most dominant big men of the past 20 years

 

[TobiasFunke]

Wilt Chamberlain

Kareem Abdul Jabbar

Shaquille O' Neil

The Lakers have a history of doing whatever they have to to get the best big man in the league. If it takes trading Bynum and Gasol, do it.

What the #### is this ####?

I believe it's what known as a "bandwagon" fan.

 

[Kiddnets]

Howard meeting with Orlando today - I think if he gets moved it will be this week before FA or not until the deadline.

Interesting post I saw - if Otis calls Dwight's bluff what are his real options in FA?

Lakers - I dont think they can fit him as a straight FA unless make a lot of deals

Nets - Will have to sign some FAs to make Deron happy and may not have space next summer

NYK - no space to sign him outright

Dallas - depends if they sign Chandler - if not they may be a possible player

Just seems like not as many options as I first thought...maybe Smith holds firm and prays!

 

[Kiddnets]

I thought the NBA wanted to stop these Super Teams....they had a chance to put something together in the new CBA but obviously only cared about BRI $

How exactly would you propose they stop players from taking less money to go play where they want to play?

Are they really going to take less $? At the end of the day dont they all get paid what they want? I dont see Paul or Howard taking less than the max - the end of the day they always force a sign and trade or something.....no way they sign for MLE $ - I honestly dont know the solution I just thought it was a serious issue that was going to be addressed.

 

[JMon348]

Matt Barnes: "I've talked to Dwight and Baron, and they both want to be here."Get'r done, Mitch.

How much better isDavis, Kobe, Artest, Odom, Howard with Arenas as 6th manthanFisher, Kobe, Artest, Gasol, Bynum, with Odom as 6th man?

Not very much at all. Howard isn't going anywhere, I don't think he will be a Laker. The pieces Orlando will want if he forces is way out will be too much, and hurt the Lakers chances of winning.

 

[the moops]

I thought the NBA wanted to stop these Super Teams....they had a chance to put something together in the new CBA but obviously only cared about BRI $

How exactly would you propose they stop players from taking less money to go play where they want to play?

Are they really going to take less $?

Bosh and Lebron took 15 million less to play in Miami