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Grantland has a fantastic rookie ranking column that looks like a weekly feature. Can't really argue with the rankings so far.

 
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'Cliff Clavin said:
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'gethugefast1 said:
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'gethugefast1 said:
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Man the Knicks are terrible. Ugliest offense I think I've ever seen. Pass the ball a couple times then left Anthony try and go one on five. Can't beat a Raptors team who were on their 3rd game in four nights... wow. Josh Harrellson :lmao: . Looks like Rafael Araujo except a lot worse.
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Dantoni needs to be fired, plain and simple. For an offensive minded coach, he has a pretty terrible offense. No set plays, just all five players racing down the court and shooting with 20 seconfd left on the shot clock. Way, way too many low percentage jump shots!!!! :wall:
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Dantoni ran a pretty good offense in Phoenix IIRC. I think it has a lot more to do with the Knicks having zero talent on the team than it does with coaching.
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I swear, I watched about a quarter of the Knicks/Rapters game & I didn't see NY run one backdoor screen or a pick & roll... everytime they cut to Dantoni, he just stands there, arms folded and shaking his head 'no'. :rolleyes:
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I watched it all and it sure wasn't pretty. When you have Josh Harrellson ( :lmao: ) playing 33 minutes and Bibby's corpse out there, a coaching staff of Jackson, Auerbach and Sloan couldn't save you. It is a personnel problem, not a coaching problem. That's what you get when you spend half your cap on two selfish (and one oft injured) players and trade away all your draft picks.
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Be fair to Melo, he has been playing very very well so far this year and is passing the ball well for a SF. Melo isn't even part of the problem.
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He really doesn't have much of a choice. When there isn't another offensive threat on floor, teams are going to be all over him forcing a pass or take a bad shot (which there were plenty of last night).And Melo definitely is part of the problem. Not with his play, but with the Knicks giving up their only mediocre players to get him.
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Lots of overreacting going on. yeah Knciks look pathetic, but Amare was out and baron and Shump were out.If after 30 games the offense looks like it did yesterday then thats a real problem
 
About the Raptors, after Bargs and maybe Derozen, do they have even one player who is above average? Rasual Butler and CO were taking real minutes. I know Knicks have about 14 players below average but at least they have some stars.

 
'Cliff Clavin said:
I watched it all and it sure wasn't pretty. When you have Josh Harrellson ( :lmao: ) playing 33 minutes and Bibby's corpse out there, a coaching staff of Jackson, Auerbach and Sloan couldn't save you. It is a personnel problem, not a coaching problem. That's what you get when you spend half your cap on two selfish (and one oft injured) players and trade away all your draft picks.
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Listen im the first to admit that the Knicks play has been subpar and thats putting it nicely. But to say their roster has no talent and have not improved their roster in past 3 years is ridiculous. I truly believe you need superstars to win the last team to win without was Pistons. The Knicks certainly have their flaws but are at least a top 6 team in the East when its all settled. A vast improvement from being laughingstock of the league like Raptors currently are. Ill quite certain that the Knicks rebuilding method will prove more fruitful than the Raptors. Although to be clear I am highly skeptical that the Knicks win a chip with Miami and OKC and poss Chicago looking strong for years to come. Also do you think its a coincidence that all 3 teams (Miami, OKC, & Chi) all have superstars?
 
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About the Raptors, after Bargs and maybe Derozen, do they have even one player who is above average? Rasual Butler and CO were taking real minutes. I know Knicks have about 14 players below average but at least they have some stars.
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Calderon probably is. But after that, no. A bunch of bums for the most part. Funny how with such a bad team they still went into NY and got the win on the tail end of a back to back.ETA: Come to think of it, I probably take 90% of the Raptors team over the Knicks outside of Melo, Amare and Chandler.PG: Bayless >>> Bibby, Douglas (we'll see what Baron shows up)SG: Barbosa >>> Fields, ShumpertSF: Ugg... no winners here.PF: Davis >>> Jeffries, HunterC: Johnson, Magloire >>> Jordan, Harrellson ( :lmao: )
 
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'Cliff Clavin said:
I watched it all and it sure wasn't pretty. When you have Josh Harrellson ( :lmao: ) playing 33 minutes and Bibby's corpse out there, a coaching staff of Jackson, Auerbach and Sloan couldn't save you. It is a personnel problem, not a coaching problem. That's what you get when you spend half your cap on two selfish (and one oft injured) players and trade away all your draft picks.
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Listen im the first to admit that the Knicks play has been subpar and thats putting it nicely. But to say their roster has no talent and have not improved their roster in past 3 years is ridiculous. I truly believe you need superstars to win the last team to win without was Pistons. The Knicks certainly have their flaws but are at least a top 6 team in the East when its all settled. A vast improvement from being laughingstock of the league like Raptors currently are. Ill quite certain that the Knicks rebuilding method will prove more fruitful than the Raptors. Although to be clear I am highly skeptical that the Knicks win a chip with Miami and OKC and poss Chicago looking strong for years to come. Also do you think its a coincidence that all 3 teams (Miami, OKC, & Chi) all have superstars?
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I agree you need superstars to win... but the Knicks don't have those superstars. I'm quite certain that the Knicks will be a top 6 team. They probably will be for quite a while. I'm also quite certain that they aren't going to win much more than a round or two being lead by Amare and Melo. Maybe in a couple years they can compile a bunch of vets who want to play for dirt cheap to fill out their roster.
 
Wow - the Atlanta Hawks just pissed down their leg and lost to the Bulls after being up by 19pts and holding the Bulls to 26pts at halftime.

Total meltdown in the 2nd half.

 
'Green94 said:
Wow - the Atlanta Hawks just pissed down their leg and lost to the Bulls after being up by 19pts and holding the Bulls to 26pts at halftime.Total meltdown in the 2nd half.
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Yea but those superhomer announcers the Bulls have are horrendous. What's with Chicago announcers?
 
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'Green94 said:
Wow - the Atlanta Hawks just pissed down their leg and lost to the Bulls after being up by 19pts and holding the Bulls to 26pts at halftime.Total meltdown in the 2nd half.
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Yea but those superhomer announcers the Bulls have are horrendous. What's with Chicago announcers?
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Yeah, Stacey King is as homer as you can get and is just as obnoxious. I don't mind since the Cub announcers are so boring. Hawks announcers are about as good as it gets though.
 
'boubucarow said:
'Green94 said:
Wow - the Atlanta Hawks just pissed down their leg and lost to the Bulls after being up by 19pts and holding the Bulls to 26pts at halftime.Total meltdown in the 2nd half.
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14-25 from the line and Derrick Rose taking over can do that.
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Letting Josh Smith take uncontested jumpers all day didn't hurt either. Pathetic that Boozer and Noah aren't playing in these games down the stretch - this team has no chance at a title if this is going to happen night in and night out.
 
'boubucarow said:
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'Green94 said:
Wow - the Atlanta Hawks just pissed down their leg and lost to the Bulls after being up by 19pts and holding the Bulls to 26pts at halftime.Total meltdown in the 2nd half.
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Yea but those superhomer announcers the Bulls have are horrendous. What's with Chicago announcers?
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Yeah, Stacey King is as homer as you can get and is just as obnoxious. I don't mind since the Cub announcers are so boring. Hawks announcers are about as good as it gets though.
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Getting caught up in the game is one thing, but seeing replays of good calls and calling them bad calls is just plain obnoxious... I agree.
 
'boubucarow said:
'Premier said:
'Green94 said:
Wow - the Atlanta Hawks just pissed down their leg and lost to the Bulls after being up by 19pts and holding the Bulls to 26pts at halftime.Total meltdown in the 2nd half.
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Yea but those superhomer announcers the Bulls have are horrendous. What's with Chicago announcers?
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Yeah, Stacey King is as homer as you can get and is just as obnoxious. I don't mind since the Cub announcers are so boring. Hawks announcers are about as good as it gets though.
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HawksCubsBullsSox
 
'Green94 said:
'boubucarow said:
'Green94 said:
Wow - the Atlanta Hawks just pissed down their leg and lost to the Bulls after being up by 19pts and holding the Bulls to 26pts at halftime.Total meltdown in the 2nd half.
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14-25 from the line and Derrick Rose taking over can do that.
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Letting Josh Smith take uncontested jumpers all day didn't hurt either. Pathetic that Boozer and Noah aren't playing in these games down the stretch - this team has no chance at a title if this is going to happen night in and night out.
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I have an issue with that as well. However, if Asik and Gibson lock up the lane like they did tonight, I can't argue with Thibs. Funny thing about Smith is that he was the about the only Hawk to hit a shot late with a couple long jumpers.On Noah, he is no where near the player he should be right now. I am not worried yet.
 
Credit to the Bulls defense as well... Omer played really well on the defensive end (although offensively he seems to have taken a step back - if that's even possible).

 
'Green94 said:
Credit to the Bulls defense as well... Omer played really well on the defensive end (although offensively he seems to have taken a step back - if that's even possible).
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He is a better passer so far and still hits the glass, but he can't catch and that spin into the chest of the defender post move confuses me. i was hoping for a small jump but that isn't happening.
 
'Cliff Clavin said:
'biggamer3 said:
About the Raptors, after Bargs and maybe Derozen, do they have even one player who is above average? Rasual Butler and CO were taking real minutes. I know Knicks have about 14 players below average but at least they have some stars.
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Calderon probably is. But after that, no. A bunch of bums for the most part. Funny how with such a bad team they still went into NY and got the win on the tail end of a back to back.ETA: Come to think of it, I probably take 90% of the Raptors team over the Knicks outside of Melo, Amare and Chandler.PG: Bayless >>> Bibby, Douglas (we'll see what Baron shows up)SG: Barbosa >>> Fields, ShumpertSF: Ugg... no winners here.PF: Davis >>> Jeffries, HunterC: Johnson, Magloire >>> Jordan, Harrellson ( :lmao: )
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So what your saying is that the Raptors bench is better than the Knicks? How profound. Pretty sure at the beginning at the season all Knicks fans were saying they had best frontline in all of basketball and the worst bench/backcourt
 
'simmonjm said:
'Cliff Clavin said:
'biggamer3 said:
About the Raptors, after Bargs and maybe Derozen, do they have even one player who is above average? Rasual Butler and CO were taking real minutes. I know Knicks have about 14 players below average but at least they have some stars.
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Calderon probably is. But after that, no. A bunch of bums for the most part. Funny how with such a bad team they still went into NY and got the win on the tail end of a back to back.ETA: Come to think of it, I probably take 90% of the Raptors team over the Knicks outside of Melo, Amare and Chandler.PG: Bayless >>> Bibby, Douglas (we'll see what Baron shows up)SG: Barbosa >>> Fields, ShumpertSF: Ugg... no winners here.PF: Davis >>> Jeffries, HunterC: Johnson, Magloire >>> Jordan, Harrellson ( :lmao: )
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So what your saying is that the Raptors bench is better than the Knicks? How profound. Pretty sure at the beginning at the season all Knicks fans were saying they had best frontline in all of basketball and the worst bench/backcourt
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Yah, that comparison kinda cracks me up. It's like those guys who want to take away long TD runs from a RB.ETA: I actually disagree some.I'd rather have the Knicks guards over the Raptors. Bayless and Barbosa are pure scorers better suited as 6th men. Douglas is their equal IMO as a 6th man and I'll take Fields all around game over Barbosa for most teams.
 
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'Green94 said:
'boubucarow said:
'Premier said:
'Green94 said:
Wow - the Atlanta Hawks just pissed down their leg and lost to the Bulls after being up by 19pts and holding the Bulls to 26pts at halftime.Total meltdown in the 2nd half.
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Yea but those superhomer announcers the Bulls have are horrendous. What's with Chicago announcers?
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Yeah, Stacey King is as homer as you can get and is just as obnoxious. I don't mind since the Cub announcers are so boring. Hawks announcers are about as good as it gets though.
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Getting caught up in the game is one thing, but seeing replays of good calls and calling them bad calls is just plain obnoxious... I agree.
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Have to disagree - Stacey King's homerism is so entirely entertaining that it's boring watching games without him anymore.
 
These are good days to be a Bulls fan. Its a team that just knows when to turn it on. I missed the first half, but the second half was all Money.

Sadly, the Bulls miss Rip already. Still way too much standing around as the shot clock ticks down. This team is built to win with aggressive play and outstanding depth.

Look forward to the series with the Heat already... :thumbup:

 
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'rascal said:
Nuggets fans are laughing at the Knicks fans.
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Why?
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It's probably unfair to describe it as "laughing at Knicks fans".How about, "Nuggets fans are very, very pleased with both their immediate and long-term outlooks, thanks to a roster that features 2 former Knicks (plus 3 other players acquired through trades of former Knicks), along with New York's 1st round picks in 2014 and possibly 2016 (not lottery protected!), and $3 million of New York's money -- all for a player who was going to leave via free agency in 4 months, anyway!"If the Nuggets end up getting 2 lottery picks from New York, you can bet their fans will be laughing at Knicks fans. Heck, the whole world will be laughing at them.
 
So every time I see Dragic play, he strikes me as being pretty good, and that he could develop into a solid starter if given minutes to gain experience. Yet he remains stuck on teams who have very good point guards ahead of him. Am I just not seeing the whole picture with him such that he really is at his ceiling as a 15 minute a game player? I see he has flaws, but they look like flaws that could be smoothed over somewhat with experience and not feeling like he has to cram 30 minutes of stats into 10 minutes of run.

 
'Gr00vus said:
So every time I see Dragic play, he strikes me as being pretty good, and that he could develop into a solid starter if given minutes to gain experience. Yet he remains stuck on teams who have very good point guards ahead of him. Am I just not seeing the whole picture with him such that he really is at his ceiling as a 15 minute a game player? I see he has flaws, but they look like flaws that could be smoothed over somewhat with experience and not feeling like he has to cram 30 minutes of stats into 10 minutes of run.
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He's only been in the NBA since 2008 and he's a free agent after this year. I think he should test the free market after this year and see if he can get a good gig somewhere. Worked well for Jordan Farmar.
 
'StrikeS2k said:
'Gr00vus said:
So every time I see Dragic play, he strikes me as being pretty good, and that he could develop into a solid starter if given minutes to gain experience. Yet he remains stuck on teams who have very good point guards ahead of him. Am I just not seeing the whole picture with him such that he really is at his ceiling as a 15 minute a game player? I see he has flaws, but they look like flaws that could be smoothed over somewhat with experience and not feeling like he has to cram 30 minutes of stats into 10 minutes of run.
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He's only been in the NBA since 2008 and he's a free agent after this year. I think he should test the free market after this year and see if he can get a good gig somewhere. Worked well for Jordan Farmar.
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:lmao:
 
Also Kyle Lowry is very good, and Scola has a great mid range game for a guy his size. You're welcome for this dazzling insight.

 
'General Malaise said:
HOW ABOUT MY FIRST PLACE PORTLAND TRAILBLAZERS!!!!!!!!
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They are really good. They thoroughly outplayed the Thunder last night. Wallace on Durant and Batum on Harden is about as tough as it can get from a matchup perspective. It's annoying watching the Thunder just run isolation plays over and over against them. The Northwest division is pretty solid, should be an interesting race between OKC/PDX/DEN.
 
Kyle Lowery is quickly becoming one of my favorite players in the league. He plays the PG position so beautifully and has a great all around game. Love watching true points work.

 
'Moe. said:
'General Malaise said:
HOW ABOUT MY FIRST PLACE PORTLAND TRAILBLAZERS!!!!!!!!
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They are really good. They thoroughly outplayed the Thunder last night. Wallace on Durant and Batum on Harden is about as tough as it can get from a matchup perspective. It's annoying watching the Thunder just run isolation plays over and over against them. The Northwest division is pretty solid, should be an interesting race between OKC/PDX/DEN.
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The one positive thing to come out of the Brandon Roy retirement (as well as the trade of Andre Miller) was the end of these boring iso plays and a half-court offense. This new team runs and runs and with its length on the court, makes it tough on other teams to get into a good offensive flow. Obviously, its early in the season and an injury here or there could really cause some problems for this team, but it has certainly been an exciting start and optimism permeates a town that was completely deflated a few weeks ago.

 
'Zeff said:
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'8ebok24 said:
More terrible news, Brandon Roy is retiring.
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Not terrible news for the Blazers. Major cap relief.
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This isn't even close to bad news for the Blazers.Roy cost a fortune, couldn't contribute (once the knees were gone), and forced them to scrabble to find enough minutes for Batum. Many Blazer problems solved all at once, here. Batum set for a mega-huge breakout year.
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Terrible news for NBA fans.
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I don't see it. You'd hate to lose the Roy of 2-3 years ago so suddenly. But the Roy of today offers nothing to people who are fans of the game. Just the reality of pro athletics, I guess.Confident "NBA fans" are going to love the new-look Blazers.(ETA: None of which is meant to diminish the amazing playoff performance from Roy still lurking in recent memory. But if you watched the team, it was obvious those moments were heading toward extinction anyway. And with this news, it's even more obvious that they sure weren't getting more frequent from here on out. Glad he left us with that one.)
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:banned: to those new-look Blazers. And that's despite Batum not yet experiencing the coming-out party I expected in the wake of the Roy retirement.
 
'Zeff said:
'Zeff said:
'8ebok24 said:
'Zeff said:
'Premier said:
'8ebok24 said:
More terrible news, Brandon Roy is retiring.
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Not terrible news for the Blazers. Major cap relief.
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This isn't even close to bad news for the Blazers.Roy cost a fortune, couldn't contribute (once the knees were gone), and forced them to scrabble to find enough minutes for Batum. Many Blazer problems solved all at once, here. Batum set for a mega-huge breakout year.
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Terrible news for NBA fans.
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I don't see it. You'd hate to lose the Roy of 2-3 years ago so suddenly. But the Roy of today offers nothing to people who are fans of the game. Just the reality of pro athletics, I guess.Confident "NBA fans" are going to love the new-look Blazers.(ETA: None of which is meant to diminish the amazing playoff performance from Roy still lurking in recent memory. But if you watched the team, it was obvious those moments were heading toward extinction anyway. And with this news, it's even more obvious that they sure weren't getting more frequent from here on out. Glad he left us with that one.)
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:banned: to those new-look Blazers. And that's despite Batum not yet experiencing the coming-out party I expected in the wake of the Roy retirement.
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Great call :thumbup: Though how does the retirement of Roy equate to a coming out party for Batum? He hasn't transitioned over to the 2 yet and is finding it hard to get minutes behind Wallace...
 
'Kev4029 said:
'Abraham said:
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Zach Randolph's injury is worse than originally suspected. He has a torn MCL and will be out up to 8 weeks.

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Traded for speights just now.
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John Hollinger has a boner right now.
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Interested to see how Speights does when given minutes. I was a fun of his his first 2 years but I'll trust Doug Collins on this one. Another solid trade by the Hornets in Xavier Henry for a 2nd rounder. He's definitely worth a shot at that price.

 
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