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So let me see if I got this straight:NOW the New York Knicks are worried about financial prudence? Not when Amare Stoudemire signed a five-year, $95 million deal that nobody else was coming close to offering. Not when they burned any chance of a do-over by using the amnesty on Chauncey Billups. Not when they just agreed to spend over $10 million a year on Marcus Camby, Jason Kidd and Raymond Felton, even though none of them were any good last season.And NOW they're talking about how well the pieces fit? Not when they traded for Carmelo Anthony to play with Stoudemire. Not when they had Mike D'Antoni coaching both of them. Not when they added other questionably fitting parts -- the aforementioned Camby and Felton, as well as Baron Davis and J.R. Smith -- and hoped the talent would offset their Frankensteinian fusion of non-complementary abilities.But NOW?The shocking thing about New York's decision not to match the Houston Rockets' three-year, $25.1 million offer sheet to Jeremy Lin -- and, to a lesser extent, not to match the Toronto Raptors' three-year, $20 million offer sheet to Landry Fields -- is that it flies completely in the face of their entire rationale in building this team.[+] EnlargeDebby Wong/US PresswireMonths after "Linsanity" consumed NYC, Jeremy Lin is off to Houston.Money wasn't supposed to matter. They were going to keep spending to build a champion.Well, apparently now they care. By not keeping Lin and Fields, the Knicks have essentially yanked a half-baked cake out of the oven. They're over the luxury tax with no starting-caliber backcourt players and an uneasy Amare-Melo alliance up front. If they're trying to go 44-38 and still pay tax each of the next three years, they're off to a great start.Of course, this was a money decision, and keeping Lin was going to cost some serious cash. I'm sure some small-market teams are high-fiving now that they've finally made a luxury tax punitive enough for a big-market team to care about it.The luxury tax hit on Lin's $14.9 million salary in 2014-15 was going to be enormous; depending on your assumptions, it was likely to end up close to $30 million, bringing the total cost of employing Lin that season to $45 million. You could argue that Stoudemire or Anthony's contract is costing just as much, so it's not fair to say that Lin's deal is the one pushing them over. But given the money they've already sunk, an economist would rightly describe the $45 million figure in 2014-15 as the marginal cost of matching the Lin deal.The Knicks, as our Larry Coon pointed out, could have reduced that bill to an extent by using the stretch provision on Lin, but that's almost as bad -- it's perhaps $25 million instead of $45 million, depending on which years the Knicks are in the tax, but you're paying Lin not to play and still need to spend more money (and tax) on somebody to play point guard.Matching Fields and Lin would have produced an even more obscene wage bill that year; the Knicks' starting backcourt would have cost around $75 million in salary and tax, which is more than nearly every team's payroll in the NBA right now.But again, the Knicks operated like this wasn't a problem. The tax on Lin's deal might be much easier to handle if they weren't also paying a combined $7.2 million in guaranteed money to Camby, Kidd and Felton that season, even though the first two will be in their 40s and the third might be 300 pounds by then. That's half of Lin's 2014-15 salary and nearly two-thirds of his tax hit right there, on players who likely will give the Knicks little or nothing that season.That's not all: In the preceding two years, Camby, Felton, and Kidd will make $21 million to Lin's $10 million, and the Knicks are in the tax both seasons. Do the math and you'll see that the Knicks will pay just as much to Camby, Felton and Kidd over the next three seasons as they would have paid for Lin, even allowing for the two minimum salary players that would replace Camby and one of the guards.Which leads to only two conclusions: Either (A) the Knicks thought they were actually better off over the next three seasons with Kidd, Camby and Felton, or (B) the Knicks front office thought it had permission to spend freely and would match Lin anyway, and then was blindsided by ownership. I don't have inside information as to which one happened, but it strikes me that A isn't the way to bet.Instead, the Knicks will lose Lin without any compensation, which is nuts since he clearly had huge trade value.(Side note: A sign-and-trade was not realistic in this scenario; because of the bizarre "Arenas rule" in the league's collective bargaining agreement, Lin stood to get a much bigger contract by signing an offer sheet than he could have made in a sign-and-trade and thus had zero reason to agree to one. Ditto for Fields.)[+] EnlargeMatthew EmmonsThe Knicks' fate now rests on the shoulders of Amare Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony.(Side note to my side note, for Lin fans making the "he's an expiring contract in 2014-15!" case: This is the one argument for keeping him that is actually pure nonsense. Expirings don't just vanish into the ether when they're traded; they're dealt for somebody with an even worse contract. Whether it was by paying Lin or paying somebody else, his final year was going to be phenomenally expensive.)As for fit, I agree Lin is not a great one with the rest of the Knicks' roster. Of course, nobody on the Knicks is a great fit with the rest of the Knicks' roster, with the exceptions of Chandler and Steve Novak. Felton isn't a great one either. He's not much of an outside shooter, and like Lin his best results came running a pick-and-roll offense with the ball in his hands under Mike D'Antoni. Except the results weren't as good as Lin's, and he's heavier and older now. Good luck with that.Meanwhile, this is only going to look worse once next season starts. Lin wasn't a great fit in New York, but my goodness does he fit in Houston. Kyle Lowry and Goran Dragic had the best seasons of their respective careers last season as point guards in Kevin McHale's system. The same thing will happen with Lin: They're going to give him the rock, get out of his way, and let him create to his heart's content. He'll be better with the Rockets than he ever would have been in New York.Finally, a tip of the hat is due to the Rockets' front office. They've brilliantly exploited the fact that the third year of an "Arenas rule" contract could bring massive pain to a luxury tax team -- even one as rich as the Knicks -- and are going to clean up at the cash register as a result. Houston is already an immensely popular team in China as a result of the Yao Ming era. Now Lin can pick up where he left off. And as our J.A. Adande noted, this also may make them more alluring for Dwight Howard's global marketing ambitions.All of this, however, gets back to one simple truth: The Knicks stopped following their own script just as the play reached its climax. It's great that they care about money and fit, but if that's the case they might have wanted to heed their own advice at some point between the Melo trade and yesterday.
 
Safe to say that regardless of the decision the Knicks made regarding Jeremy Lin they were going to be criticized. Truthfully im on the fence about the decision. He singlehandidly saved the Knicks season with Melo and Amare out but looked out of sorts in spots as the season wore on and not just talking about the Heat game. Linsanity was a fun ride while it lasted and was the closest thing the Knicks have had to a playoff win in past 10 years.

 
How the hell is this "Dream Team" only up by 6 points with 5 minutes to go against Brazil?
they playing back to back? best of 5?
I didn't catch it live...so watching it now and am trippin over how close it was.
As the 1992 vs 2012 team USA argument continues, we have to consider how much better the international teams are now than 20 years ago. Look at Brazil - the current roster includes 4 NBA players. The 1992 team finished fifth in the Olympics and were led by Oscar Schmidt, who racked up a ton of points internaionally but never sniffed an NBA roster.
I don't understand how there is some ongoing debate about this Dream Team comparison. To me there are two questions, both with obvious answers:1. Who is more dominant as compared to their peers? '92 team easily, because the international talent then vs. now is night and day.

2. Who would win if you could have the teams travel through time and play each other? '12 team easily. Pick a sport that's measured objectively and compare the top twelve athletes in 1992 vs. today. My guess is that the current athletes are superior every single time, across the board. Same is true in team sports; just because they're not measured objectively doesn't mean they don't also improve. This group would massacre a time-traveling dream team.
I dont understand how you can continue to make this argument. It isnt just about who runs faster or jumps higher. Team sports take SKILL. Sure guys run faster, but that doesnt make them better players. That is why in the NFL it isnt just the fastest guys that play the best. If it was that easy, every 1st round pick would perform. Athleticism is simply one part of the equation. Can you seriosuly tell me that Sandy Koufax couldn't pitch in the majors today or that Jim Brown couldnt play RB, or that Gretzy wouldn't be a good hockey player?Sure, athletic ability is beneficial when projecting a player's future performance, but it is not the only thing that defines whether or not a player will be great.
The team sports aspect actually heightens the advantage for the modern player. Refined techniques building on what has worked in the past. Vastly better and easier to use video study. Better medical care reducing wear and tear from the various quirks of the games and the schedule and improving substitution patterns. And video, travel and communication improvements also mean a vastly better pool of talent from which to choose- nobody gets lots in the shuffle no matter how remote their location or how raw their talent.I can't know how good Koufax would be, or Brown, or Gretzky. But I know they wouldn't be as good as they were then. Not even close. My guess is that Koufax couldn't pitch in the majors, Brown might be replacement level, and Gretzky would be decent. But those are total guesses, except for the baseball one which is an educated guess based on what I've heard from listening to scouting types. Now, if you could create clones of 14 year old Koufax, Brown and Gretzky and then allow them to take advantage of all the advances in their respective sports since their playing days, that would be a different story. They'd all be almost as good as they were back in their day.

The '92 dream team didn't play very long ago so the improvement from then until now wouldn't be as substantial, but there's no doubt the talent level and level of play has improved over the last 20 years.

 
I am mostly in the camp of athletes today, but found this interesting list on another site. 1992 to 2012

The high jump record improved by 1cm in 1993 and has been flat since then.

The long jump record is intact

The 100m record has been shattered by Usain Bolt (aside from him it moved 1/10th of a second).

The 400m is 9/100ths better (and stagnant since 1999).

The mile record improved by 2 seconds in 1993 and has declined another second from 1993-present.

The marathon record has been bettered by 3 seconds

110 hurdles is 5/100ths better

400 hurdles is intact

Discus record is intact

Shot put record is intact

Javelin rules changed in 1991 and the javelin was reshaped; that record is utterly destroyed (8m or so) but it's been stagnant since 1996 and the record-holder previously held the 1987 and 1990 records.

Hammer throw record is intact

Pole vault the 1992 record holder improved his mark by .01m in 1994 and it's been stuck there since.

 
I am mostly in the camp of athletes today, but found this interesting list on another site. 1992 to 2012The high jump record improved by 1cm in 1993 and has been flat since then. The long jump record is intactThe 100m record has been shattered by Usain Bolt (aside from him it moved 1/10th of a second). The 400m is 9/100ths better (and stagnant since 1999). The mile record improved by 2 seconds in 1993 and has declined another second from 1993-present.The marathon record has been bettered by 3 seconds110 hurdles is 5/100ths better400 hurdles is intactDiscus record is intactShot put record is intactJavelin rules changed in 1991 and the javelin was reshaped; that record is utterly destroyed (8m or so) but it's been stagnant since 1996 and the record-holder previously held the 1987 and 1990 records.Hammer throw record is intactPole vault the 1992 record holder improved his mark by .01m in 1994 and it's been stuck there since.
Track and field is the flattest since that's been around the longest and is, for lack of a better word, the "simplest." By which I mean they're the things that benefit the least from technological advancements and more detailed study and broader access- if you can run really fast, you'll know it, whereas the same hasn't always been true of elite talent at other sports. Check something like swimming or weightlifting (or even the women's track records, where a larger pool of athletes might be a factor) and my guess is that you'll find much different results. Also, world records aren't necessarily the best way to measure, since they're often a product of a single ideal performance in ideal conditions- for example when I was a kid it seemed like every track record on the books was from the Mexico City Olympics at altitude. It's a different question than whether the world's elite talents are, on average, better than they were 20 years ago.
 
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What ever happened with Chris Andersen and the child porn charge? I saw he was released.
Last I heard it was false accusation from some ho that he stopped calling.
Some ho that was underage. The story is that she told Andersen that he was of age and when he found out he cut off contact so her and her mom started an extortion plot. With the roster spot freed up from Anderson the Nuggets signed Anthony Randolph. I think that is a great move for both him and the Nuggets. He gets to play on a team that will play to his strengths and the Nuggets get a young player that has bundles of talent that needs to mature a whole lot. Worst case for the Nuggets is that he is the 6th big man and is in street clothes most the season but if he can figure it out, they could have a defensive monster on the court.ETA: Randolph's contract is supposed to be right around 3 years and $6 million. Great signing.
 
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While trade talks swirled around him Tuesday night, Howard took in the Los Angeles Dodgers-Philadelphia Phillies game from a luxury suite at Dodger Stadium. He didn't wear a Dodgers hat when he appeared on the JumboTron in the seventh inning to a loud ovation but he was wearing one as he left before the eighth inning. Howard was surrounded by a dozen members of stadium security and LAPD officers as he was escorted to his car as dozens of fans tried to take his picture and recruit him to play in Los Angeles.

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The longer the howard stuff drags on, the more I think that Orlando's ultimate prize in all of this is getting rid of Duhon, Bass, Hedo, and Richardson. Take back prospects and picks and whatever, but more importantly, get rid of all the too-expensive contracts they have on the books so they can build the team they want. (I think the Houston deal isn't done because the Rockets don't know how much salary they can take back until the Lin and Asik deals are done). I'm not even sure they care about getting Bynum vs. getting Brook Lopez - I think its all about finding a trade where they dump Howard and 4 bad contracts.

 
He's going to pay for his entire contract in the first two years, easily. Outside of all the sponsorship deals and prime time games and international interest, the season ticket sales will be to their highest level in years. Imagine 16k seats with an average increase of $20 a ticket. That's 320k x 41 home games = 13 million a year in ticket revenue alone.
:lol:How many national TV games do you think Houston gets (assuming they don't get Howard)? ETA: And I don't mean NBATv. TNT or ABC.Also, is Alexander related to you some way?
 
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He's going to pay for his entire contract in the first two years, easily. Outside of all the sponsorship deals and prime time games and international interest, the season ticket sales will be to their highest level in years. Imagine 16k seats with an average increase of $20 a ticket. That's 320k x 41 home games = 13 million a year in ticket revenue alone.
:lol:How many national TV games do you think Houston gets (assuming they don't get Howard)?Also, is Alexander related to you some way?
I don't know how many they had last year and I don't know how many to guess this year except to say (1) it will be an increase and (2) I expect the only teams with more will be OKC, Miami, LAL, LAC, NYK, BRK, CHI, and Boston. Not sure why you think the math above is so funny - it's fairly accurate. :shrug:Not related to Alexander, and I've stated many times why I think the team making more money is good for the fans. Alexander has shown a willingness to spend money to improve the Rockets. Making more money means they have more to spend. It seems like you are either ignoring that point or your blind hatred of Lin is clouding your view. I'm not sure. But signing Lin will be good for the ROckets as a whole and after three years of being middle-of-the-road, most fans are excited.
 
He's going to pay for his entire contract in the first two years, easily. Outside of all the sponsorship deals and prime time games and international interest, the season ticket sales will be to their highest level in years. Imagine 16k seats with an average increase of $20 a ticket. That's 320k x 41 home games = 13 million a year in ticket revenue alone.
:lol:How many national TV games do you think Houston gets (assuming they don't get Howard)?Also, is Alexander related to you some way?
I don't know how many they had last year and I don't know how many to guess this year except to say (1) it will be an increase and (2) I expect the only teams with more will be OKC, Miami, LAL, LAC, NYK, BRK, CHI, and Boston. Not sure why you think the math above is so funny - it's fairly accurate. :shrug:Not related to Alexander, and I've stated many times why I think the team making more money is good for the fans. Alexander has shown a willingness to spend money to improve the Rockets. Making more money means they have more to spend. It seems like you are either ignoring that point or your blind hatred of Lin is clouding your view. I'm not sure. But signing Lin will be good for the ROckets as a whole and after three years of being middle-of-the-road, most fans are excited.
I think its funny how you think Lin is going to have that much of an impact. By mid-season when the Rockets are 10 games out of a playoff spot, people aren't going to pack the place to watch him.It can't get any lower because they had 0 last year. Just wondering if you had an estimate for how wild Linsanity is going to be since you said they'd have all those 'prime-time' games. And once again, I have zero hatred for Lin. Do we really need to go over this again?
 
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He's going to pay for his entire contract in the first two years, easily. Outside of all the sponsorship deals and prime time games and international interest, the season ticket sales will be to their highest level in years. Imagine 16k seats with an average increase of $20 a ticket. That's 320k x 41 home games = 13 million a year in ticket revenue alone.
:lol:How many national TV games do you think Houston gets (assuming they don't get Howard)?Also, is Alexander related to you some way?
I don't know how many they had last year and I don't know how many to guess this year except to say (1) it will be an increase and (2) I expect the only teams with more will be OKC, Miami, LAL, LAC, NYK, BRK, CHI, and Boston. Not sure why you think the math above is so funny - it's fairly accurate. :shrug: Houston has been somewhere between 14th and 17th in home attendance (% of seats sold) for the last 7 years. The Toyota Center has 16, 548 seats for sale. Not related to Alexander, and I've stated many times why I think the team making more money is good for the fans. Alexander has shown a willingness to spend money to improve the Rockets. Making more money means they have more to spend. It seems like you are either ignoring that point or your blind hatred of Lin is clouding your view. I'm not sure. But signing Lin will be good for the ROckets as a whole and after three years of being middle-of-the-road, most fans are excited.
It can't get any lower because they had 0 last year. Just wondering if you had an estimate for how wild Linsanity is going to be since you said they'd have all those 'prime-time' games. And once again, I have zero hatred for Lin. Do we really need to go over this again?
I said no such thing - I made a point that "outside of all the sponsorship deals and prime time games and international interest" (translation: "exclude everything except what's coming next...") the ticket sales will be faster and at a higher price point than in years past. What part of that do you disagree with?
 
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He's going to pay for his entire contract in the first two years, easily. Outside of all the sponsorship deals and prime time games and international interest, the season ticket sales will be to their highest level in years. Imagine 16k seats with an average increase of $20 a ticket. That's 320k x 41 home games = 13 million a year in ticket revenue alone.
:lol:How many national TV games do you think Houston gets (assuming they don't get Howard)?Also, is Alexander related to you some way?
I don't know how many they had last year and I don't know how many to guess this year except to say (1) it will be an increase and (2) I expect the only teams with more will be OKC, Miami, LAL, LAC, NYK, BRK, CHI, and Boston. Not sure why you think the math above is so funny - it's fairly accurate. :shrug:Not related to Alexander, and I've stated many times why I think the team making more money is good for the fans. Alexander has shown a willingness to spend money to improve the Rockets. Making more money means they have more to spend. It seems like you are either ignoring that point or your blind hatred of Lin is clouding your view. I'm not sure. But signing Lin will be good for the ROckets as a whole and after three years of being middle-of-the-road, most fans are excited.
It can't get any lower because they had 0 last year. Just wondering if you had an estimate for how wild Linsanity is going to be since you said they'd have all those 'prime-time' games. And once again, I have zero hatred for Lin. Do we really need to go over this again?
I said no such thing - I made a point that "outside of all the sponsorship deals and prime time games and international interest" (translation: "exclude everything except what's coming next...") the ticket sales will be faster and at a higher price point than in years past. What part of that do you disagree with?
You said excluding the 'prime time' games which I took to mean that you assumed they would have some. Call me crazy, but I think it would be a pretty terrible business decision to jack tickets prices for one of the worst teams in the league. Yeah, they'll have some big interest for the first month of the season. But after that? As it stands, roughly how many wins are you predicting for Houston?
 
I don't know if the Knicks were contenders with Lin, But I can tell you they aren't without him. That's why I really have to question this move on a basketball level.
There is probably a 50% chance that Kidd/Felton perform as well or better than Lin this upcoming year.
OOF
Yeah, but they're both a holes and the fans don't give a flying f about them. You guys are missing the intangibles that Lin brings. NYK doesn't have a shot at a ring. At least make the Knicks interesting to watch, keep the fans happy and give the little guys some hope.
 
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Hollinger sez:

So let me see if I got this straight:NOW the New York Knicks are worried about financial prudence? Not when Amare Stoudemire signed a five-year, $95 million deal that nobody else was coming close to offering. Not when they burned any chance of a do-over by using the amnesty on Chauncey Billups. Not when they just agreed to spend over $10 million a year on Marcus Camby, Jason Kidd and Raymond Felton, even though none of them were any good last season.
Well said by Hollinger.
 
Call me crazy, but I think it would be a pretty terrible business decision to jack tickets prices for one of the worst teams in the league. Yeah, they'll have some big interest for the first month of the season. But after that? As it stands, roughly how many wins are you predicting for Houston?
Good question. Let's assume they don't get Asik, Bynum or Howard. As it stands now they will be one of the worst defensive teams in the league but should be at least middle-of-the-pack offensively. Last season they were middle-of-the road on both O and D rating and finished basically as a .500 team. Without adding anyone else of impact (thus assuming a rotation of Lin/Livingston, Martin/Lamb, Parsons/White/Donuts at forward and Patterson/Jones playing center) then I'd think they'll win in the low-30's of games. Adding Asik gets them close to .500, Adding Howard gets them to 45-52 wins IMO.I admit they are a defensive piece away from being a playoff team an a "star"*** away from being a legitimate contender.***Not to get too far ahead of myself, but Montiejunas, Lamb, White and Jones have been playing out of their minds in Vegas. I am aware that it is summer league against rookies and D-leaguers, but it has been very encouraging to see them take to the pace of a higher level of play without any problems. Lamb looks like he's on the court by himself, scoring in bunches. Donuts is very agile and quick for a big man. Jones has been a monster down low. And White has done everything from throw Jan Vessely across the court to run the break like a poor man's Magic Johnson. If just ONE of them can develop in to a top-tier player in the next three years the team could be good for a while. And if two of them can develop in ways that complement Lin then they can be a contender.
 
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What ever happened with Chris Andersen and the child porn charge? I saw he was released.
Last I heard it was false accusation from some ho that he stopped calling.
Some ho that was underage. The story is that she told Andersen that he was of age and when he found out he cut off contact so her and her mom started an extortion plot. With the roster spot freed up from Anderson the Nuggets signed Anthony Randolph. I think that is a great move for both him and the Nuggets. He gets to play on a team that will play to his strengths and the Nuggets get a young player that has bundles of talent that needs to mature a whole lot. Worst case for the Nuggets is that he is the 6th big man and is in street clothes most the season but if he can figure it out, they could have a defensive monster on the court.

ETA: Randolph's contract is supposed to be right around 3 years and $6 million. Great signing.
Watched a lot of Randolph last year. He has a lot of talent, but he is as dumb as a box of rockets. (abe>hi) It will take some serious coaching to make him a useful player. I didn't see Adelman make a lot of progress with him.

 
I don't know if the Knicks were contenders with Lin, But I can tell you they aren't without him. That's why I really have to question this move on a basketball level.
There is probably a 50% chance that Kidd/Felton perform as well or better than Lin this upcoming year.
OOF
Yeah, but they're both a holes and the fans don't give a flying f about them. You guys are missing the intangibles that Lin brings. NYK doesn't have a shot at a ring. At least make the Knicks interesting to watch, keep the fans happy and give the little guys some hope.
I'm saying OOF because 50/50 is absurd. Lin is better even with the TOs and I think he'll improve on those.
 
Call me crazy, but I think it would be a pretty terrible business decision to jack tickets prices for one of the worst teams in the league. Yeah, they'll have some big interest for the first month of the season. But after that? As it stands, roughly how many wins are you predicting for Houston?
Good question. Let's assume they don't get Asik, Bynum or Howard. As it stands now they will be one of the worst defensive teams in the league but should be at least middle-of-the-pack offensively. Last season they were middle-of-the road on both O and D rating and finished basically as a .500 team. Without adding anyone else of impact (thus assuming a rotation of Lin/Livingston, Martin/Lamb, Parsons/White/Donuts at forward and Patterson/Jones playing center) then I'd think they'll win in the low-30's of games. Adding Asik gets them close to .500, Adding Howard gets them to 45-52 wins IMO.I admit they are a defensive piece away from being a playoff team an a "star"*** away from being a legitimate contender.***Not to get too far ahead of myself, but Montiejunas, Lamb, White and Jones have been playing out of their minds in Vegas. I am aware that it is summer league against rookies and D-leaguers, but it has been very encouraging to see them take to the pace of a higher level of play without any problems. Lamb looks like he's on the court by himself, scoring in bunches. Donuts is very agile and quick for a big man. Jones has been a monster down low. And White has done everything from throw Jan Vessely across the court to run the break like a poor man's Magic Johnson. If just ONE of them can develop in to a top-tier player in the next three years the team could be good for a while. And if two of them can develop in ways that complement Lin then they can be a contender.
As I've stated before, I like a lot of these young players, but I'll be STUNNED if they win 30 games as presently constituted. Young teams in the NBA struggle, and I'm not sure they have an above average starter (as measured by 12-13 performance) unless Martin bounces back. More likely they are picking near the top of the lottery next year, and that's a good thing for you guys.
 
Ira Winderman: A source confirms what Pat Riley said two weeks ago: Heat did not use amnesty by Tuesday deadline. Mike Miller remains under contract.
Questionable move, imo.
Why? They are over the cap anyhow. Having Miller on the books isn't going to hinder any moves I dont think
Yeah, that's a good point. I suppose they can always do it next year if need be.
It's a $1 for $1 match this year on the luxury tax, but it increases next year iirc.Also found this, which makes a lot of sense:
Should Miller require offseason back surgery, an option he is hoping to avoid, and then be deemed by the NBA to be out for 2012-13, the Heat could then apply for an injured-player exception, which would allow them to sign a player to a one-year contract for $2.9 million (half of Miller's salary). Such an exception would not have been possible had Miller been waived through amnesty.
 
Call me crazy, but I think it would be a pretty terrible business decision to jack tickets prices for one of the worst teams in the league. Yeah, they'll have some big interest for the first month of the season. But after that? As it stands, roughly how many wins are you predicting for Houston?
Good question. Let's assume they don't get Asik, Bynum or Howard. As it stands now they will be one of the worst defensive teams in the league but should be at least middle-of-the-pack offensively. Last season they were middle-of-the road on both O and D rating and finished basically as a .500 team. Without adding anyone else of impact (thus assuming a rotation of Lin/Livingston, Martin/Lamb, Parsons/White/Donuts at forward and Patterson/Jones playing center) then I'd think they'll win in the low-30's of games. Adding Asik gets them close to .500, Adding Howard gets them to 45-52 wins IMO.I admit they are a defensive piece away from being a playoff team an a "star"*** away from being a legitimate contender.***Not to get too far ahead of myself, but Montiejunas, Lamb, White and Jones have been playing out of their minds in Vegas. I am aware that it is summer league against rookies and D-leaguers, but it has been very encouraging to see them take to the pace of a higher level of play without any problems. Lamb looks like he's on the court by himself, scoring in bunches. Donuts is very agile and quick for a big man. Jones has been a monster down low. And White has done everything from throw Jan Vessely across the court to run the break like a poor man's Magic Johnson. If just ONE of them can develop in to a top-tier player in the next three years the team could be good for a while. And if two of them can develop in ways that complement Lin then they can be a contender.
IMO, their upside is low 30's. Asik is not a player that is going to add multiple wins for them. He'll help defensively but is useless on offense. Howard? Yes. He'd make any team a 45+ win team. And summer league means less than nothing.
 
Lin's financial impact on the Chinese Market:

http://www.sfgate.com/business/bloomberg/article/Jeremy-Lin-s-Joining-Rockets-Offers-Best-Shot-3715446.php#page-1

Analysts have said Lin’s most important financial contribution to the Knicks was his effect on the network, which last season charged up to $25,000 for a regular-season commercial and $40,000 for playoff spots, two to three times the previous amount. The Knicks also signed sponsorship agreements with Taiwan-based Maxxis International, a tire manufacturer, and Acer Inc., the fourth-largest computer maker whose deal expired at the end of the season.
They may not make as much money as the Knicks did, but getting Lin will be a big financial win for the Rockets. Whether it equates to wins is a different story, but Lin's following in Asia will watch him regardless of how the Rockets do. His "fame" has already been established.
 
Ira Winderman: A source confirms what Pat Riley said two weeks ago: Heat did not use amnesty by Tuesday deadline. Mike Miller remains under contract.
Questionable move, imo.
More than questionable. They've got Allen and Lewis, why not free up some space?
It doesnt free any space. It may save the owner some dough, but it isn't going to allow them any wiggle room to sign anyone.
 
I love how Houston fans have resorted to the money making aspect of the Lin signing. Again, who the #### cares if they sell a bunch of Lin #### to inspired Asians.

When it comes to teams that I am a fan of, I never once have thought, hey, that was a questionable signing, but at least the owner is going to make boatloads! Win!!

 
I love how Houston fans have resorted to the money making aspect of the Lin signing. Again, who the #### cares if they sell a bunch of Lin #### to inspired Asians.When it comes to teams that I am a fan of, I never once have thought, hey, that was a questionable signing, but at least the owner is going to make boatloads! Win!!
I don't know why this is so hard to understand. 1. Alexander has always shown a willingness to spend to improve the team. 2. More money in the bank = more money to spend.
 
What ever happened with Chris Andersen and the child porn charge? I saw he was released.
Last I heard it was false accusation from some ho that he stopped calling.
Some ho that was underage. The story is that she told Andersen that he was of age and when he found out he cut off contact so her and her mom started an extortion plot. With the roster spot freed up from Anderson the Nuggets signed Anthony Randolph. I think that is a great move for both him and the Nuggets. He gets to play on a team that will play to his strengths and the Nuggets get a young player that has bundles of talent that needs to mature a whole lot. Worst case for the Nuggets is that he is the 6th big man and is in street clothes most the season but if he can figure it out, they could have a defensive monster on the court.

ETA: Randolph's contract is supposed to be right around 3 years and $6 million. Great signing.
Watched a lot of Randolph last year. He has a lot of talent, but he is as dumb as a box of rockets. (abe>hi) It will take some serious coaching to make him a useful player. I didn't see Adelman make a lot of progress with him.
At $2 million a year there is no risk at all for the Nuggets. He is very similar to McGee who is also a bundle of talent but was lazy and didn't seem to understand basketball. If they can make anywhere near the progress with Randolph that they made withe McGee the contract is an absolute steal. Plus, if nothing else, Denver's offensive philosophy fits prefect with Randolph who may become almost a full time center if McGee doesn't return.Worst case, he is better than Chris Andersen, best case is that he can figure out the game of basketball and mature a little and the Nuggets would have the most athletic PF/C combo in the history of the NBA with Randolph, McGee and Faried.

 
I love how Houston fans have resorted to the money making aspect of the Lin signing. Again, who the #### cares if they sell a bunch of Lin #### to inspired Asians.When it comes to teams that I am a fan of, I never once have thought, hey, that was a questionable signing, but at least the owner is going to make boatloads! Win!!
I don't know why this is so hard to understand. 1. Alexander has always shown a willingness to spend to improve the team. 2. More money in the bank = more money to spend.
Except that annoying little part of the salary cap.
 
I love how Houston fans have resorted to the money making aspect of the Lin signing. Again, who the #### cares if they sell a bunch of Lin #### to inspired Asians.When it comes to teams that I am a fan of, I never once have thought, hey, that was a questionable signing, but at least the owner is going to make boatloads! Win!!
This one still has me confused. Toronto and NYK have a couple of the richest owners in the league. That doesn't mean #### for how well their teams do.
 

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