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[thecatch]

I love how Houston fans have resorted to the money making aspect of the Lin signing. Again, who the #### cares if they sell a bunch of Lin #### to inspired Asians.When it comes to teams that I am a fan of, I never once have thought, hey, that was a questionable signing, but at least the owner is going to make boatloads! Win!!

Its relevant to the question of, "was Lin overpaid?".

 

[the moops]

Nuggets would have the most athletic PF/C combo in the history of the NBA with Randolph, McGee and Faried.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

What ever happened with Chris Andersen and the child porn charge? I saw he was released.

Last I heard it was false accusation from some ho that he stopped calling.

Some ho that was underage. The story is that she told Andersen that he was of age and when he found out he cut off contact so her and her mom started an extortion plot. With the roster spot freed up from Anderson the Nuggets signed Anthony Randolph. I think that is a great move for both him and the Nuggets. He gets to play on a team that will play to his strengths and the Nuggets get a young player that has bundles of talent that needs to mature a whole lot. Worst case for the Nuggets is that he is the 6th big man and is in street clothes most the season but if he can figure it out, they could have a defensive monster on the court.

ETA: Randolph's contract is supposed to be right around 3 years and $6 million. Great signing.

Watched a lot of Randolph last year. He has a lot of talent, but he is as dumb as a box of rockets. (abe>hi) It will take some serious coaching to make him a useful player. I didn't see Adelman make a lot of progress with him.

At $2 million a year there is no risk at all for the Nuggets. He is very similar to McGee who is also a bundle of talent but was lazy and didn't seem to understand basketball. If they can make anywhere near the progress with Randolph that they made withe McGee the contract is an absolute steal. Plus, if nothing else, Denver's offensive philosophy fits prefect with Randolph who may become almost a full time center if McGee doesn't return.Worst case, he is better than Chris Andersen, best case is that he can figure out the game of basketball and mature a little and the Nuggets would have the most athletic PF/C combo in the history of the NBA with Randolph, McGee and Faried.

Worst case is he goes Bison Dele on us. Agree it's a low risk signing, I'm just not so sure the reward is all that high.

 

[Kev4029]

Nuggets would have the most athletic PF/C combo in the history of the NBA with Randolph, McGee and Faried.

I can't think of thee guys more athletic that played together.Athletic bigs are what the Nuggets have been built around since the early 00's, they work well with the pace they play at.

 

[Kev4029]

What ever happened with Chris Andersen and the child porn charge? I saw he was released.

Last I heard it was false accusation from some ho that he stopped calling.

Some ho that was underage. The story is that she told Andersen that he was of age and when he found out he cut off contact so her and her mom started an extortion plot. With the roster spot freed up from Anderson the Nuggets signed Anthony Randolph. I think that is a great move for both him and the Nuggets. He gets to play on a team that will play to his strengths and the Nuggets get a young player that has bundles of talent that needs to mature a whole lot. Worst case for the Nuggets is that he is the 6th big man and is in street clothes most the season but if he can figure it out, they could have a defensive monster on the court.

ETA: Randolph's contract is supposed to be right around 3 years and $6 million. Great signing.

Watched a lot of Randolph last year. He has a lot of talent, but he is as dumb as a box of rockets. (abe>hi) It will take some serious coaching to make him a useful player. I didn't see Adelman make a lot of progress with him.

At $2 million a year there is no risk at all for the Nuggets. He is very similar to McGee who is also a bundle of talent but was lazy and didn't seem to understand basketball. If they can make anywhere near the progress with Randolph that they made withe McGee the contract is an absolute steal. Plus, if nothing else, Denver's offensive philosophy fits prefect with Randolph who may become almost a full time center if McGee doesn't return.Worst case, he is better than Chris Andersen, best case is that he can figure out the game of basketball and mature a little and the Nuggets would have the most athletic PF/C combo in the history of the NBA with Randolph, McGee and Faried.

Worst case is he goes Bison Dele on us. Agree it's a low risk signing, I'm just not so sure the reward is all that high.

$2 million for a big man is as low risk as it gets. I really do think the change to a team that doesn't put up with him slacking off (not that the Wolves did but the Knicks and Warriors certainly did) and that plays at a tempo to show off some of his skills is ideal for him. Even with his attitude and production last year, he is still worth that contract.

 

[JMon348]

Nuggets would have the most athletic PF/C combo in the history of the NBA with Randolph, McGee and Faried.

I can't think of thee guys more athletic that played together.Athletic bigs are what the Nuggets have been built around since the early 00's, they work well with the pace they play at.

David Robinson, Dennis Rodman, and Terry Cummings.

 

[Juxtatarot]

I love how Houston fans have resorted to the money making aspect of the Lin signing. Again, who the #### cares if they sell a bunch of Lin #### to inspired Asians.When it comes to teams that I am a fan of, I never once have thought, hey, that was a questionable signing, but at least the owner is going to make boatloads! Win!!

Its relevant to the question of, "was Lin overpaid?".

Yeah, there are too angles for this question. First, will the expense of his salary outweigh the revenues he creates? The answer here is probably no.Secondly, is he overpaid in the stucture that is the NBA salary cap and luxury tax? The answer here is probably yes. And it will have an impact on how Houston operates going forward. Especially since they will be overpaying Asik as well. Houston's fate seems to be the same as the last few years - between a 7 or 8 seed and a late lottery team. Thus one that won't be a serious contender nor one bad enough to get much of a chance at a difference-making top 3 pick.(Of course, this all assumes Donuts won't develop into a superstar.)

 

[Joe Summer]

Nuggets would have the most athletic PF/C combo in the history of the NBA with Randolph, McGee and Faried.

I can't think of thee guys more athletic that played together.

Duncan + Robinson + random fat guy = more athletic than Randolph/McGee/Faried.

 

[pollardsvision]

Assuming, for a moment, that the Lakers don't find a team that will gladly take a bunch of bad contracts for the fun of helping Kobe get #6, is there a chance that the Magic just keep Howard, if Bynum alone is pretty much all they can get (or maybe with one non-Hedo contract unloaded)?

Everyone keeps saying that Bynum isn't leaving $25 mill. on the table, minimizing the risk of trading for him. Howard isn't going to leave $25 mill. on the table either, is he?

Howard's options are dropping like flies. Nets are pretty much out. LAL is not a FA option. If CP3 signs a deal with LAC, that wipes out the ATL Big 3 option.

HOU is quickly filling their roster with overpaid, average players.

Outside of LA (who has, at most, a 2-year window to pretend to be OKC's equal), where can Howard go to be much better than ORL can be? They were the 5th seed in the East last year, with a disinterested, then hurt Howard. (

Howard got fooled into dropping his opt out last year. Maybe he could fooled into sticking with ORL long-term? It wouldn't be a crazy option.

When Hedo comes off the books (along with Duhon), LeBron will be looking for ring #3 or #4, at which point Wade's probably washed up. If not LeBron, they'd be clear to get somebody else.

Longshot, sure, but, with apologies to Abraham, it doesn't appear that anyone is willing/able to give ORL anything they really want. At this point, I think riding it out and hoping to retain Howard might be the best option.

 

[Kev4029]

Nuggets would have the most athletic PF/C combo in the history of the NBA with Randolph, McGee and Faried.

I can't think of thee guys more athletic that played together.

Duncan + Robinson + random fat guy = more athletic than Randolph/McGee/Faried.

Duncan? Really?McGee is one of the most athletic centers the NBA has ever seen. Hes just not particularly good at basketball.

 

[Joe Summer]

Duncan + Robinson + random fat guy = more athletic than Randolph/McGee/Faried.

Duncan? Really?

Yes, really. Do you think the only definition of "athletic" is "runs up and down the court really fast"?Tim Duncan 1998 was more athletic than JaVale McGee 2012.

 

[boubucarow]

Blake Griffin, DeAndre Jordan, Lamar Odom

 

[JMon348]

I'm still winning.

 

[Abraham]

HOU is quickly filling their roster with overpaid, average players.

They've added one free agent this offseason. Hakeem, Sampson, Jim Petersen -> trio of athletic bigs.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Assuming, for a moment, that the Lakers don't find a team that will gladly take a bunch of bad contracts for the fun of helping Kobe get #6, is there a chance that the Magic just keep Howard, if Bynum alone is pretty much all they can get (or maybe with one non-Hedo contract unloaded)?Everyone keeps saying that Bynum isn't leaving $25 mill. on the table, minimizing the risk of trading for him. Howard isn't going to leave $25 mill. on the table either, is he?Howard's options are dropping like flies. Nets are pretty much out. LAL is not a FA option. If CP3 signs a deal with LAC, that wipes out the ATL Big 3 option.HOU is quickly filling their roster with overpaid, average players. Outside of LA (who has, at most, a 2-year window to pretend to be OKC's equal), where can Howard go to be much better than ORL can be? They were the 5th seed in the East last year, with a disinterested, then hurt Howard. (Howard got fooled into dropping his opt out last year. Maybe he could fooled into sticking with ORL long-term? It wouldn't be a crazy option. When Hedo comes off the books (along with Duhon), LeBron will be looking for ring #3 or #4, at which point Wade's probably washed up. If not LeBron, they'd be clear to get somebody else.Longshot, sure, but, with apologies to Abraham, it doesn't appear that anyone is willing/able to give ORL anything they really want. At this point, I think riding it out and hoping to retain Howard might be the best option.

Why would riding it out in Orlando with those awful contracts and no chance at winning anything be preferable to playing in LA with Pau, Kobe, and Nash?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Assuming, for a moment, that the Lakers don't find a team that will gladly take a bunch of bad contracts for the fun of helping Kobe get #6, is there a chance that the Magic just keep Howard, if Bynum alone is pretty much all they can get (or maybe with one non-Hedo contract unloaded)?Everyone keeps saying that Bynum isn't leaving $25 mill. on the table, minimizing the risk of trading for him. Howard isn't going to leave $25 mill. on the table either, is he?Howard's options are dropping like flies. Nets are pretty much out. LAL is not a FA option. If CP3 signs a deal with LAC, that wipes out the ATL Big 3 option.HOU is quickly filling their roster with overpaid, average players. Outside of LA (who has, at most, a 2-year window to pretend to be OKC's equal), where can Howard go to be much better than ORL can be? They were the 5th seed in the East last year, with a disinterested, then hurt Howard. (Howard got fooled into dropping his opt out last year. Maybe he could fooled into sticking with ORL long-term? It wouldn't be a crazy option. When Hedo comes off the books (along with Duhon), LeBron will be looking for ring #3 or #4, at which point Wade's probably washed up. If not LeBron, they'd be clear to get somebody else.Longshot, sure, but, with apologies to Abraham, it doesn't appear that anyone is willing/able to give ORL anything they really want. At this point, I think riding it out and hoping to retain Howard might be the best option.

Why would riding it out in Orlando with those awful contracts and no chance at winning anything be preferable to playing in LA with Pau, Kobe, and Nash?

He doesn't have to move twice within 12 months.

 

[pollardsvision]

Assuming, for a moment, that the Lakers don't find a team that will gladly take a bunch of bad contracts for the fun of helping Kobe get #6, is there a chance that the Magic just keep Howard, if Bynum alone is pretty much all they can get (or maybe with one non-Hedo contract unloaded)?Everyone keeps saying that Bynum isn't leaving $25 mill. on the table, minimizing the risk of trading for him. Howard isn't going to leave $25 mill. on the table either, is he?Howard's options are dropping like flies. Nets are pretty much out. LAL is not a FA option. If CP3 signs a deal with LAC, that wipes out the ATL Big 3 option.HOU is quickly filling their roster with overpaid, average players. Outside of LA (who has, at most, a 2-year window to pretend to be OKC's equal), where can Howard go to be much better than ORL can be? They were the 5th seed in the East last year, with a disinterested, then hurt Howard. (Howard got fooled into dropping his opt out last year. Maybe he could fooled into sticking with ORL long-term? It wouldn't be a crazy option. When Hedo comes off the books (along with Duhon), LeBron will be looking for ring #3 or #4, at which point Wade's probably washed up. If not LeBron, they'd be clear to get somebody else.Longshot, sure, but, with apologies to Abraham, it doesn't appear that anyone is willing/able to give ORL anything they really want. At this point, I think riding it out and hoping to retain Howard might be the best option.

Why would riding it out in Orlando with those awful contracts and no chance at winning anything be preferable to playing in LA with Pau, Kobe, and Nash?

Not say it is preferable for Howard. But what if LAL isn't an option for him?It's only an option if ORL grants it to him. Bynum, by himself, doesn't appear to be motivation enough for them to make the trade. No one is blowing them away with an offer. It's quite possible that nobody will blow them away with an offer. If they hold him, they take the LAL off the table. Howard's starting to run out of better options. I'm just saying that holding him is starting to seem like a decent gamble.

 

[Kev4029]

Duncan + Robinson + random fat guy = more athletic than Randolph/McGee/Faried.

Duncan? Really?

Yes, really. Do you think the only definition of "athletic" is "runs up and down the court really fast"?Tim Duncan 1998 was more athletic than JaVale McGee 2012.

Just because Duncan was a better basketball player doesn't make him a better athlete.

Blake Griffin, DeAndre Jordan, Lamar Odom

Griffin and Jordan are there but Odom isn't an especially great athlete at almost 33 years old.And here is a quote from Odom about Randolph in 2009:

"It’s like looking in the mirror a little. He’s also 6-11, he’s left-handed and he can put the ball on the floor. He’s two times as athletic as I was at that age."

I'm still winning.

Rodman and Robinson were fantastic athletes but that's only two.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Assuming, for a moment, that the Lakers don't find a team that will gladly take a bunch of bad contracts for the fun of helping Kobe get #6, is there a chance that the Magic just keep Howard, if Bynum alone is pretty much all they can get (or maybe with one non-Hedo contract unloaded)?Everyone keeps saying that Bynum isn't leaving $25 mill. on the table, minimizing the risk of trading for him. Howard isn't going to leave $25 mill. on the table either, is he?Howard's options are dropping like flies. Nets are pretty much out. LAL is not a FA option. If CP3 signs a deal with LAC, that wipes out the ATL Big 3 option.HOU is quickly filling their roster with overpaid, average players. Outside of LA (who has, at most, a 2-year window to pretend to be OKC's equal), where can Howard go to be much better than ORL can be? They were the 5th seed in the East last year, with a disinterested, then hurt Howard. (Howard got fooled into dropping his opt out last year. Maybe he could fooled into sticking with ORL long-term? It wouldn't be a crazy option. When Hedo comes off the books (along with Duhon), LeBron will be looking for ring #3 or #4, at which point Wade's probably washed up. If not LeBron, they'd be clear to get somebody else.Longshot, sure, but, with apologies to Abraham, it doesn't appear that anyone is willing/able to give ORL anything they really want. At this point, I think riding it out and hoping to retain Howard might be the best option.

Why would riding it out in Orlando with those awful contracts and no chance at winning anything be preferable to playing in LA with Pau, Kobe, and Nash?

He doesn't have to move twice within 12 months.

Wants to actually touch the ball while in excellent position to score, instead of wherever Kobe's misses end up.

 

[pollardsvision]

HOU is quickly filling their roster with overpaid, average players.

They've added one free agent this offseason. Hakeem, Sampson, Jim Petersen -> trio of athletic bigs.

I'm kidding. Mostly.Either way, I'm not seeing HOU shaping into being a great option for Howard long-term, and they don't have assets that will blow ORL away.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

HOU is quickly filling their roster with overpaid, average players.

They've added one free agent this offseason. Hakeem, Sampson, Jim Petersen -> trio of athletic bigs.

I'm kidding. Mostly.Either way, I'm not seeing HOU shaping into being a great option for Howard long-term, and they don't have assets that will blow ORL away.

They'll be in the running for the 1st overall pick next summer. Is there any can't miss player for the next draft?

 

[Major]

HOU is quickly filling their roster with overpaid, average players.

They've added one free agent this offseason. Hakeem, Sampson, Jim Petersen -> trio of athletic bigs.

I'm kidding. Mostly.Either way, I'm not seeing HOU shaping into being a great option for Howard long-term, and they don't have assets that will blow ORL away.

Orlando doesn't want assets outside of picks and maybe a prospect or two. Take our bad contracts and Howard

 

[Major]

HOU is quickly filling their roster with overpaid, average players.

They've added one free agent this offseason. Hakeem, Sampson, Jim Petersen -> trio of athletic bigs.

I'm kidding. Mostly.Either way, I'm not seeing HOU shaping into being a great option for Howard long-term, and they don't have assets that will blow ORL away.

They'll be in the running for the 1st overall pick next summer. Is there any can't miss player for the next draft?

If they don't get D12, Bynum or Love, tanking the season would be a great strategy. Follow SA and OKC method.

 

[drpill]

Rodman and Robinson were fantastic athletes but that's only two.

Sean Elliot at SF was no joke.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

HOU is quickly filling their roster with overpaid, average players.

They've added one free agent this offseason. Hakeem, Sampson, Jim Petersen -> trio of athletic bigs.

I'm kidding. Mostly.Either way, I'm not seeing HOU shaping into being a great option for Howard long-term, and they don't have assets that will blow ORL away.

They'll be in the running for the 1st overall pick next summer. Is there any can't miss player for the next draft?

If they don't get D12, Bynum or Love, tanking the season would be a great strategy. Follow SA and OKC method.

They're well on their way to doing that. It makes a lot of sense for Orlando to wait until next summer to trade Howard to Houston. Getting that craptastic set of picks from them now kills the value of next years pick.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Duncan + Robinson + random fat guy = more athletic than Randolph/McGee/Faried.

Duncan? Really?

Yes, really. Do you think the only definition of "athletic" is "runs up and down the court really fast"?Tim Duncan 1998 was more athletic than JaVale McGee 2012.

Just because Duncan was a better basketball player doesn't make him a better athlete.

Blake Griffin, DeAndre Jordan, Lamar Odom

Griffin and Jordan are there but Odom isn't an especially great athlete at almost 33 years old.And here is a quote from Odom about Randolph in 2009:

"It’s like looking in the mirror a little. He’s also 6-11, he’s left-handed and he can put the ball on the floor. He’s two times as athletic as I was at that age."

I'm still winning.

Rodman and Robinson were fantastic athletes but that's only two.

This discussion is idiotic.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Assuming, for a moment, that the Lakers don't find a team that will gladly take a bunch of bad contracts for the fun of helping Kobe get #6, is there a chance that the Magic just keep Howard, if Bynum alone is pretty much all they can get (or maybe with one non-Hedo contract unloaded)?Everyone keeps saying that Bynum isn't leaving $25 mill. on the table, minimizing the risk of trading for him. Howard isn't going to leave $25 mill. on the table either, is he?Howard's options are dropping like flies. Nets are pretty much out. LAL is not a FA option. If CP3 signs a deal with LAC, that wipes out the ATL Big 3 option.HOU is quickly filling their roster with overpaid, average players. Outside of LA (who has, at most, a 2-year window to pretend to be OKC's equal), where can Howard go to be much better than ORL can be? They were the 5th seed in the East last year, with a disinterested, then hurt Howard. (Howard got fooled into dropping his opt out last year. Maybe he could fooled into sticking with ORL long-term? It wouldn't be a crazy option. When Hedo comes off the books (along with Duhon), LeBron will be looking for ring #3 or #4, at which point Wade's probably washed up. If not LeBron, they'd be clear to get somebody else.Longshot, sure, but, with apologies to Abraham, it doesn't appear that anyone is willing/able to give ORL anything they really want. At this point, I think riding it out and hoping to retain Howard might be the best option.

Why would riding it out in Orlando with those awful contracts and no chance at winning anything be preferable to playing in LA with Pau, Kobe, and Nash?

Why would he not want to play in Chicago? Why would he rather play with the Nets instead of the Lakers? HowardLogic is pretty different from conventional logic.

 

[Kev4029]

Duncan + Robinson + random fat guy = more athletic than Randolph/McGee/Faried.

Duncan? Really?

Yes, really. Do you think the only definition of "athletic" is "runs up and down the court really fast"?Tim Duncan 1998 was more athletic than JaVale McGee 2012.

Just because Duncan was a better basketball player doesn't make him a better athlete.

Blake Griffin, DeAndre Jordan, Lamar Odom

Griffin and Jordan are there but Odom isn't an especially great athlete at almost 33 years old.And here is a quote from Odom about Randolph in 2009:

"It’s like looking in the mirror a little. He’s also 6-11, he’s left-handed and he can put the ball on the floor. He’s two times as athletic as I was at that age."

I'm still winning.

Rodman and Robinson were fantastic athletes but that's only two.

This discussion is idiotic.

You're just jealous because the Nuggets stole future hall of fame power forward Anthony Randolph.

 

[pollardsvision]

HOU is quickly filling their roster with overpaid, average players.

They've added one free agent this offseason. Hakeem, Sampson, Jim Petersen -> trio of athletic bigs.

I'm kidding. Mostly.Either way, I'm not seeing HOU shaping into being a great option for Howard long-term, and they don't have assets that will blow ORL away.

Orlando doesn't want assets outside of picks and maybe a prospect or two. Take our bad contracts and Howard

That's what it sounds like. I'm just not sure that makes much sense, or if that's really what they want.It just doesn't sound like they are getting any offers that make more sense than taking the longshot bet that they can keep Howard.If they don't have Howard or can't get a crazy high pick in a great draft (which ain't happening in 2013), do the rest of the details even matter?It's either find a way to keep Howard or be a bad team for a very long time. If they think Bynum is the guy to build around, so be it, but I suspect that, if they felt that way, Bynum would be in ORL right now.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

You're just jealous because the Nuggets stole future hall of fame power forward Anthony Randolph.

We have Jordan Hill and STIEMMSA coming in. No room for dum-dum.

 

[pollardsvision]

Now, I'm still not sure why ATL hasn't offered Horford for Howard plus a bad contract, with no guarantees from Howard.

It seems to me that getting Howard and Smith on the same team, with a little flexibility to make run at a 3rd player, is the best position for ATL. If they lose both, so be it, but it's a good bet, I think.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Now, I'm still not sure why ATL hasn't offered Horford for Howard plus a bad contract, with no guarantees from Howard.It seems to me that getting Howard and Smith on the same team, with a little flexibility to make run at a 3rd player, is the best position for ATL. If they lose both, so be it, but it's a good bet, I think.

Plus, Howard, Smith and ZaZa would be the NEW most athletic PF/C combo in HISTORY.

 

[Juxtatarot]

There seems to have been a change in the definition of "athletic" over the years. It used to be that the ability to quickly pick up and excel at a new sporting skill such as hitting a golf ball, shooting a basketball or even something like bowling was a key component of athletic. Basically, hand-eye cooridnation and body control. Now, it seems to be defined as someone who is strong (but not always), can run fast, jump high and is quick.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

John R. Finger: Sixers are eligible to make an amnesty bid on Blatche. They should do it just for the yucks/head explosion factor.

 

[Abraham]

The Cleveland Cavaliers may have inched ahead of the Houston Rockets as a facilitator in a potential trade that would send Orlando Magic center Dwight Howard to the Los Angeles Lakers, sources said Wednesday.

One source familiar with the talks, though, cautioned to not make too much of that shift just yet.

The Cavaliers would land Lakers center Andrew Bynum for a package of draft picks and veteran power forward Anderson Varejao, according to one league source. The Lakers would receive Howard for Bynum. The source said this was merely the framework of a deal being discussed.

Cavaliers GM Chris Grant was in Las Vegas watching summer-league action but made an unplanned return to Cleveland, sources say, and is not expected to return. In the frenzy of anticipating if, when and where Howard might be dealt, such otherwise innocuous events have been enough to inspire massive speculation that a deal is near.

The Lakers have engaged both the Rockets and Cavaliers in their attempt to land Howard, sources say, because those two teams, a) have interest in acquiring Bynum, and, b) have the requisite salary-cap room to accept larger player salaries than they send out in a deal.

The complicating point for any deal to be completed, sources say, is whether Bynum and Howard agree to extensions with their next team. Sources close to Howard say that as of now, after mistakenly depriving himself of free agency this summer by opting into the final year of his deal with the Magic, he has no intention of doing so again.

ESPNLosAngeles.com reported the Lakers remain committed to pursuing Howard even without assurances he'd sign a long-term extension with the club.

The Rockets have had Howard at the top of their wish list for months and have made moves to pursue him, from collecting first-round picks in the draft to using the amnesty clause on Luis Scola.

 

[Yo Mama]

I love how Houston fans have resorted to the money making aspect of the Lin signing. Again, who the #### cares if they sell a bunch of Lin #### to inspired Asians.When it comes to teams that I am a fan of, I never once have thought, hey, that was a questionable signing, but at least the owner is going to make boatloads! Win!!

Flipside to that argument is why do people care how much luxury tax Dolan has to pay in 2014? Knicks won't have any cap space that year anyway, so letting Lin go won't give them a chance to add anyone else that year.

 

[Mr. Soup Nazi]

So I saw that two more pages of activity has posted in this thread since I was last in here this morning and thought that maybe something definitive had happened with Dwight.

But no, just a hundred posts of slap fighting.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

The Cavaliers would land Lakers center Andrew Bynum for a package of draft picks and veteran power forward Anderson Varejao, according to one league source. The Lakers would receive Howard for Bynum. The source said this was merely the framework of a deal being discussed.

yes please

 

[Good Posting Judge]

So I saw that two more pages of activity has posted in this thread since I was last in here this morning and thought that maybe something definitive had happened with Dwight.But no, just a hundred posts of slap fighting.

You couldn't just check hoopshype?

 

[Mr. Soup Nazi]

So I saw that two more pages of activity has posted in this thread since I was last in here this morning and thought that maybe something definitive had happened with Dwight.

But no, just a hundred posts of slap fighting.

You couldn't just check hoopshype?

Are you suggesting this isn't the definitive source of NBA news on the net?

 

[Good Posting Judge]

So I saw that two more pages of activity has posted in this thread since I was last in here this morning and thought that maybe something definitive had happened with Dwight.

But no, just a hundred posts of slap fighting.

You couldn't just check hoopshype?

Are you suggesting this isn't the definitive source of NBA news on the net?

I don't think it can be the definitive source of NBA news AND Abe's Trade Korner at the same time. One or the other.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

So I saw that two more pages of activity has posted in this thread since I was last in here this morning and thought that maybe something definitive had happened with Dwight.

But no, just a hundred posts of slap fighting.

You couldn't just check hoopshype?

Are you suggesting this isn't the definitive source of NBA news on the net?

I don't think it can be the definitive source of NBA news AND Abe's Trade Korner at the same time. One or the other.

If these Cavs/Bynum rumors heat up, I'm totally going Abe/Kiddnets up in this piece.

 

[Gr00vus]

So I saw that two more pages of activity has posted in this thread since I was last in here this morning and thought that maybe something definitive had happened with Dwight.

But no, just a hundred posts of slap fighting.

You couldn't just check hoopshype?

Are you suggesting this isn't the definitive source of NBA news on the net?

I don't think it can be the definitive source of NBA news AND Abe's Trade Korner at the same time. One or the other.

If these Cavs/Bynum rumors heat up, I'm totally going Abe/Kiddnets up in this piece.

It'd be a good deal for the Cavs I'd think. Which picks do they have to send over besides their own? I'd imagine the Cavs would have to end up with some Orlando salaries as well. Which is fine for the Cavs since they'd be off the books before they matter.

 

[wadegarrett]

The Cavaliers would land Lakers center Andrew Bynum for a package of draft picks and veteran power forward Anderson Varejao, according to one league source. The Lakers would receive Howard for Bynum. The source said this was merely the framework of a deal being discussed.

yes please

So I saw that two more pages of activity has posted in this thread since I was last in here this morning and thought that maybe something definitive had happened with Dwight.

But no, just a hundred posts of slap fighting.

You couldn't just check hoopshype?

Are you suggesting this isn't the definitive source of NBA news on the net?

I don't think it can be the definitive source of NBA news AND Abe's Trade Korner at the same time. One or the other.

If these Cavs/Bynum rumors heat up, I'm totally going Abe/Kiddnets up in this piece.

word

 

[Eephus]

Duncan + Robinson + random fat guy = more athletic than Randolph/McGee/Faried.

Duncan? Really?

Yes, really. Do you think the only definition of "athletic" is "runs up and down the court really fast"?Tim Duncan 1998 was more athletic than JaVale McGee 2012.

Just because Duncan was a better basketball player doesn't make him a better athlete.

Blake Griffin, DeAndre Jordan, Lamar Odom

Griffin and Jordan are there but Odom isn't an especially great athlete at almost 33 years old.And here is a quote from Odom about Randolph in 2009:

"It’s like looking in the mirror a little. He’s also 6-11, he’s left-handed and he can put the ball on the floor. He’s two times as athletic as I was at that age."

I'm still winning.

Rodman and Robinson were fantastic athletes but that's only two.

This discussion is idiotic.

You're just jealous because the Nuggets stole future hall of fame power forward Anthony Randolph.

Sad to say but Randolph going full Bison Dele is a more likely possibility

 

[Captain Quinoa]

So I saw that two more pages of activity has posted in this thread since I was last in here this morning and thought that maybe something definitive had happened with Dwight.

But no, just a hundred posts of slap fighting.

You couldn't just check hoopshype?

Are you suggesting this isn't the definitive source of NBA news on the net?

I don't think it can be the definitive source of NBA news AND Abe's Trade Korner at the same time. One or the other.

If these Cavs/Bynum rumors heat up, I'm totally going Abe/Kiddnets up in this piece.

It'd be a good deal for the Cavs I'd think. Which picks do they have to send over besides their own? I'd imagine the Cavs would have to end up with some Orlando salaries as well. Which is fine for the Cavs since they'd be off the books before they matter.

2013 first round draft pick from MiamiMiami's own 2013 1st round draft pick to Cleveland (top-10 protected in the 2013 Draft, top-10 protected in 2014, and unprotected in the 2015 Draft.) [Cleveland - Miami, 7/9/2010]

2013 first round draft pick from Sacramento

Sacramento's own 2013 first round draft pick to Cleveland (top-13 protected in 2013, top-12 protected in 2014, top-10 protected in 2015, top-10 protected in 2016 and top-10 protected in the 2017 Draft) If Cleveland has not received a first round pick from Sacramento by 2017, then Sacramento shall convey their own 2017 2nd round draft pick to Cleveland provided it is within the top-55 picks. If it is not, then Sacramento's obligation to Cleveland shall be extinguished. (Cleveland-Sacramento, 6/30/2011)

2013 first round draft pick from L.A. Lakers

Cleveland has the right to swap the least favorable of their own 2013 1st round pick, Miami's own 2013 1st round pick (top-10 protected) and Sacramento's own 2013 1st round pick (top-13 protected) with the L.A. Lakers own 2013 first round pick (top-14 protected). If the L.A. Lakers own 2013 first round pick is #1-#14, then the L.A. Lakers' obligation to Cleveland shall be extinguished. [Cleveland-L.A. Lakers, 3/15/2012]

2015 first round draft pick from Miami

Miami's own 1st round draft pick to Cleveland in the "First Allowable Draft" (top 10 protected until the 2017 draft at which it will be unprotected in the 2017 draft). The First Allowable draft shall be the draft that occurs two years following the year in which Miami satisfies its first obligation to convey a future first round draft pick to the Cleveland Cavaliers. [Cleveland - Miami, 7/9/2010]

 

[Captain Quinoa]

So I saw that two more pages of activity has posted in this thread since I was last in here this morning and thought that maybe something definitive had happened with Dwight.

But no, just a hundred posts of slap fighting.

You couldn't just check hoopshype?

Are you suggesting this isn't the definitive source of NBA news on the net?

I don't think it can be the definitive source of NBA news AND Abe's Trade Korner at the same time. One or the other.

If these Cavs/Bynum rumors heat up, I'm totally going Abe/Kiddnets up in this piece.

It'd be a good deal for the Cavs I'd think. Which picks do they have to send over besides their own? I'd imagine the Cavs would have to end up with some Orlando salaries as well. Which is fine for the Cavs since they'd be off the books before they matter.

2013 first round draft pick from MiamiMiami's own 2013 1st round draft pick to Cleveland (top-10 protected in the 2013 Draft, top-10 protected in 2014, and unprotected in the 2015 Draft.) [Cleveland - Miami, 7/9/2010]

2013 first round draft pick from Sacramento

Sacramento's own 2013 first round draft pick to Cleveland (top-13 protected in 2013, top-12 protected in 2014, top-10 protected in 2015, top-10 protected in 2016 and top-10 protected in the 2017 Draft) If Cleveland has not received a first round pick from Sacramento by 2017, then Sacramento shall convey their own 2017 2nd round draft pick to Cleveland provided it is within the top-55 picks. If it is not, then Sacramento's obligation to Cleveland shall be extinguished. (Cleveland-Sacramento, 6/30/2011)

2013 first round draft pick from L.A. Lakers

Cleveland has the right to swap the least favorable of their own 2013 1st round pick, Miami's own 2013 1st round pick (top-10 protected) and Sacramento's own 2013 1st round pick (top-13 protected) with the L.A. Lakers own 2013 first round pick (top-14 protected). If the L.A. Lakers own 2013 first round pick is #1-#14, then the L.A. Lakers' obligation to Cleveland shall be extinguished. [Cleveland-L.A. Lakers, 3/15/2012]

2015 first round draft pick from Miami

Miami's own 1st round draft pick to Cleveland in the "First Allowable Draft" (top 10 protected until the 2017 draft at which it will be unprotected in the 2017 draft). The First Allowable draft shall be the draft that occurs two years following the year in which Miami satisfies its first obligation to convey a future first round draft pick to the Cleveland Cavaliers. [Cleveland - Miami, 7/9/2010]

They also own Orlando's 2nd round picks in 2013 and 2014 which would likely be fairly high under this scenario.

 

[Gr00vus]

2013 first round draft pick from MiamiMiami's own 2013 1st round draft pick to Cleveland (top-10 protected in the 2013 Draft, top-10 protected in 2014, and unprotected in the 2015 Draft.) [Cleveland - Miami, 7/9/2010]2013 first round draft pick from SacramentoSacramento's own 2013 first round draft pick to Cleveland (top-13 protected in 2013, top-12 protected in 2014, top-10 protected in 2015, top-10 protected in 2016 and top-10 protected in the 2017 Draft) If Cleveland has not received a first round pick from Sacramento by 2017, then Sacramento shall convey their own 2017 2nd round draft pick to Cleveland provided it is within the top-55 picks. If it is not, then Sacramento's obligation to Cleveland shall be extinguished. (Cleveland-Sacramento, 6/30/2011)2013 first round draft pick from L.A. LakersCleveland has the right to swap the least favorable of their own 2013 1st round pick, Miami's own 2013 1st round pick (top-10 protected) and Sacramento's own 2013 1st round pick (top-13 protected) with the L.A. Lakers own 2013 first round pick (top-14 protected). If the L.A. Lakers own 2013 first round pick is #1-#14, then the L.A. Lakers' obligation to Cleveland shall be extinguished. [Cleveland-L.A. Lakers, 3/15/2012]2015 first round draft pick from MiamiMiami's own 1st round draft pick to Cleveland in the "First Allowable Draft" (top 10 protected until the 2017 draft at which it will be unprotected in the 2017 draft). The First Allowable draft shall be the draft that occurs two years following the year in which Miami satisfies its first obligation to convey a future first round draft pick to the Cleveland Cavaliers. [Cleveland - Miami, 7/9/2010]

They also own Orlando's 2nd round picks in 2013 and 2014 which would likely be fairly high under this scenario.

That's good squishy. So many protected picks. It would be funny if Orlando got its own 2nd rounders back to deal Howard away.

 

[scoobus]

Blazers match Batum's offer. No worries, Wes Johnson had 24 last night in the Summer League.

 

[Abraham]

What would the cavs look like if they sent out Andy and filler?

Irving

Waiters /Richardson

Hedo

Thompson

Bynum

?

That's a 7 or 8 seed.