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Solid counterpoint.
Furthermore, if the help comes from down low you know Paul is lobbing it to Blake. He was in perfect position.Solid counterpoint.
Sorry, but the ball in the PG's hands followed by a shot in the paint after the opposing D doesn't bring a double-team is not the same as the ball in a wing's hands followed by a jump shot despite a double team. And an iso in a tie game with <24 on the clock is not the same as an iso in any situation where the opposing team has a decent chance to win in regulation.
Yup, or he kicks to Crawford if Conley helps from the wing.Furthermore, if the help comes from down low you know Paul is lobbing it to Blake. He was in perfect position.Solid counterpoint.
Sorry, but the ball in the PG's hands followed by a shot in the paint after the opposing D doesn't bring a double-team is not the same as the ball in a wing's hands followed by a jump shot despite a double team. And an iso in a tie game with <24 on the clock is not the same as an iso in any situation where the opposing team has a decent chance to win in regulation.
Yeah, like CP3, I think tobias missed a wide open Chauncey just north of the FT line when he took that running, fading shot over two defenders. That was pretty much exactly like the kind of shots that Kobe takes that are ridiculed as "hero ball" by many. And before this season (Nash), I don't think Kobe has ever played with distance shooters as good as Crawford and Billups.
I agree with most of your post except the last part. And it's not just Kobe - there are a lot of "shot creators" unable to get decent looks at the end. Paul Pierce drives me crazy in that regard. Iso at the top, dribble dribble dribble, hoist up an off-balance shot at the buzzer. I think the thing that gets me is that the rest of the team is usually standing outside trying to open up the middle. Why aren't they doing SOMETHING without the ball? Screens, back-screens, anything to either get open or to try and freeze the help defense collapsing on the shooter with 3 seconds to go (which almost always happens when Kobe or Melo is looking for the final shot)Yeah, like CP3, I think tobias missed a wide open Chauncey just north of the FT line when he took that running, fading shot over two defenders. That was pretty much exactly like the kind of shots that Kobe takes that are ridiculed as "hero ball" by many. And before this season (Nash), I don't think Kobe has ever played with distance shooters as good as Crawford and Billups.
Glad tobias finally acknowledged some of the benefits of the iso (cuts down on TOs) - I feel like I've been banging my head against the wall to make that point in these threads for years. One day, we'll also get folks to acknowledge the value of a shot creator always being able to get off a decent look.
He's a beast.
The benefit of the iso applies only if the game is tied and there's less than :24 left, a tiny fraction of the frequently criticized "hero ball" play. I explained this in the post. Perhaps if you read other posts more closely you wouldn't spend as much time banging your head against the wall in the thread.Yeah, like CP3, I think tobias missed a wide open Chauncey just north of the FT line when he took that running, fading shot over two defenders. That was pretty much exactly like the kind of shots that Kobe takes that are ridiculed as "hero ball" by many. And before this season (Nash), I don't think Kobe has ever played with distance shooters as good as Crawford and Billups.
Glad tobias finally acknowledged some of the benefits of the iso (cuts down on TOs) - I feel like I've been banging my head against the wall to make that point in these threads for years. One day, we'll also get folks to acknowledge the value of a shot creator always being able to get off a decent look.
I still remember 2007 when the Laker haters suggested that the Gasol trade was such a heist that there was a conspiracy.
How are turnovers not limited by keeping the ball in one players hand regardless of the score?The benefit of the iso applies only if the game is tied and there's less than :24 left, a tiny fraction of the frequently criticized "hero ball" play. I explained this in the post. Perhaps if you read other posts more closely you wouldn't spend as much time banging your head against the wall in the thread.Yeah, like CP3, I think tobias missed a wide open Chauncey just north of the FT line when he took that running, fading shot over two defenders. That was pretty much exactly like the kind of shots that Kobe takes that are ridiculed as "hero ball" by many. And before this season (Nash), I don't think Kobe has ever played with distance shooters as good as Crawford and Billups.
Glad tobias finally acknowledged some of the benefits of the iso (cuts down on TOs) - I feel like I've been banging my head against the wall to make that point in these threads for years. One day, we'll also get folks to acknowledge the value of a shot creator always being able to get off a decent look.
Otherwise your description of a "double team" and the opportunities for a kick to an open look are pretty much the opposite of what actually happened. Understandable, though. As a Lakers fan you're used to only watching one guy, so tracking the movement of all ten players on the floor has to be bewildering.
Also he could have lobbed to Griffin for a dunk when Arthur came with the double team.Yeah, like CP3, I think tobias missed a wide open Chauncey just north of the FT line when he took that running, fading shot over two defenders. That was pretty much exactly like the kind of shots that Kobe takes that are ridiculed as "hero ball" by many. And before this season (Nash), I don't think Kobe has ever played with distance shooters as good as Crawford and Billups.
Glad tobias finally acknowledged some of the benefits of the iso (cuts down on TOs) - I feel like I've been banging my head against the wall to make that point in these threads for years. One day, we'll also get folks to acknowledge the value of a shot creator always being able to get off a decent look.
Do you seriously not get this?How are turnovers not limited by keeping the ball in one players hand regardless of the score?The benefit of the iso applies only if the game is tied and there's less than :24 left, a tiny fraction of the frequently criticized "hero ball" play. I explained this in the post. Perhaps if you read other posts more closely you wouldn't spend as much time banging your head against the wall in the thread.Yeah, like CP3, I think tobias missed a wide open Chauncey just north of the FT line when he took that running, fading shot over two defenders. That was pretty much exactly like the kind of shots that Kobe takes that are ridiculed as "hero ball" by many. And before this season (Nash), I don't think Kobe has ever played with distance shooters as good as Crawford and Billups.
Glad tobias finally acknowledged some of the benefits of the iso (cuts down on TOs) - I feel like I've been banging my head against the wall to make that point in these threads for years. One day, we'll also get folks to acknowledge the value of a shot creator always being able to get off a decent look.
Otherwise your description of a "double team" and the opportunities for a kick to an open look are pretty much the opposite of what actually happened. Understandable, though. As a Lakers fan you're used to only watching one guy, so tracking the movement of all ten players on the floor has to be bewildering.
Yes, it was a mistake.
I never understand why teams allow this to happen. Force the initiative with the double team and make the offense scramble as the clock winds down. Get the ball out of Paul's hands asap.
I think there is a built-in mindset with coaches and players that your best player should take the best shot. If Paul Pierce misses at the buzzer, that's an acceptable result. Same with Paul for the CLippers. If Pierce passes to Jason Terry and he misses and 18 footer then the first question will be if the play called was for Terry to shoot the ball and the criticism will begin.
That's what I'm saying - I don't know why the team on defense allows the best player on the team to keep the ball throughout the last possession without putting more pressure on them earlier in the possession. The Griz should have gotten the ball out of Paul's hands ASAP and continued to do so as much as possible if it rotates back to him. Let anybody else but him get that last shot - particularly when you've got Crawford and Barnes out there.
To be fair they did start out the possession with the ball in Crawford's hands. I can't check the clip at work but I believe there was some action and Paul ended up with the ball up top 1v1 with about 8 seconds left and he just went from there. It's not like Paul just dribbled up and held it the whole time.
Its the safe play for the coach. Just like sissy coaches in the NFL not going for it on 4th and short.
Of course I'm aware that you can't take a shot after the clock expires - I've watched Kobe take countless last second shots over the years that are 2nd guessed here in these forums as "hero ball" as folks point out how open other Lakers are as time is expiring. It's funny how when Paul does it, and makes it, we finally hear about the value in reducing turnovers and how there wasn't enough time to make a pass.Do you seriously not get this?How are turnovers not limited by keeping the ball in one players hand regardless of the score?The benefit of the iso applies only if the game is tied and there's less than :24 left, a tiny fraction of the frequently criticized "hero ball" play. I explained this in the post. Perhaps if you read other posts more closely you wouldn't spend as much time banging your head against the wall in the thread.Yeah, like CP3, I think tobias missed a wide open Chauncey just north of the FT line when he took that running, fading shot over two defenders. That was pretty much exactly like the kind of shots that Kobe takes that are ridiculed as "hero ball" by many. And before this season (Nash), I don't think Kobe has ever played with distance shooters as good as Crawford and Billups.
Glad tobias finally acknowledged some of the benefits of the iso (cuts down on TOs) - I feel like I've been banging my head against the wall to make that point in these threads for years. One day, we'll also get folks to acknowledge the value of a shot creator always being able to get off a decent look.
Otherwise your description of a "double team" and the opportunities for a kick to an open look are pretty much the opposite of what actually happened. Understandable, though. As a Lakers fan you're used to only watching one guy, so tracking the movement of all ten players on the floor has to be bewildering.
It's not the limiting of turnovers that changes, it's the value of limiting turnovers. If the game is tied and there is <24 on the clock, eliminating the possibility of a turnover until there's almost no time on the clock means the other team can't win in regulation. That benefit to your odds of winnings (guarantee of overtime at a minimum) may be worth the reduced chance that you convert and win in regulation. I'm not saying it is or it isn't. I'm saying that the calculation is completely different than it is in a close game with a minute left or when you're trailing.
Is this really that hard to grasp? It seems pretty obvious.
Also you and Groovus must not be aware that you can't take a shot after the clock expires. The open looks and the "double team" don't even start to develop until the clocks runs under the two second mark. I would think the reason you don't pass to a teammate who gets open with under 2 seconds left would be obvious to anyone. But then I also thought the difference between turnovers in a tie game with >24 and turnovers in every other situation would be obvious.
From the Clippers POV, I think Paul passing out of a double to an open Billups, Crawford or Butler are better options than the shot that Paul took.
You're focusing on the wrong difference. The main difference- the reason I halfheartedly defend the iso here and only here- was the clock and score and how it totally changes the calculation re: turnovers. It's an apples and oranges comparison. There's also Paul's decision-making and history in these situations, which changes the defensive strategy so obviously that anyone can see it on a single viewing. But that's all secondary to the game/time situation thing.
Doesn't the media also insist that defenses should force anyone other than the star to take the pressure shot?
Amazing they've had 7 Top 10 picks the past 9 years. 4 in the Top 5. And still are the league's worst franchise.You'd think at some point they'd stumble upon something.
Even if they do win lottery for #1 pick this year, they're likely looking at another raw big man in Noel. I'm sure McLemore will be in discussion.
I don't think you can get CSN Philly on Dish/Direct TV, though you can get it on Verizon.That's normal, what seems illegal is tying a channel to the same company's cable provider. It's a vertically integrated monopoly. You have to offer the channel to other cable providers. Maybe they do offer it but at a ridiculous price or something. That's more of a gray area I think. I'm not an antitrust lawyer, though, so definitely not an expert
Butler wasn't even in the game, Barnes was - as I mentioned above, I wouldn't even have covered Barnes outside the paint. Let him hoist away. Instead Hollins played man up across the board, which resulted in Gasol covering Barnes out at the 3 point line on the opposite side of the court from where the action was. There's a lot of ways to coach up your defensive strategy to avoid that kind of thing happening. Hollins sucked it.
I'm sure the Lakers like the hire as well. It just got a little easier for them to fire D'Antoni.
YouHave gotTo beEffing KiddingMe!!!!!!????!!11??!!??!!!!
I will murder your entire family
I wonder if this is in preparation for making a push to bring James back in 2 years.
I was speaking in terms of optimal options. Not that I claim to know better than Del Negro.
D'Antoni calling Kobe "a fan" the other day was probably the highlight of the season for me. Just great stuff.
His pressers are pathetic. Half the time he's unintelligible, the rest of the time he's either going through the Crash Davis book of cliches or saying absolutely stupid ####.
Who were they competing with?
