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whoknew
Footballguy
Moe.
Footballguy
He tore his meniscus and he's having surgery. Is that something that someone could reasonably come back from within six weeks? Serious question as I have no idea. Everything I've seen so far says he is unlikey to return. The Thunder are saying there is no timetable for him to return. I'll be very surprised if we see him again this season.
Dr. Gobbler
Footballguy
He'll easily fetch that in China, probably more.
Premier
Footballguy
Total disaster that trade is for OKC. Still can't believe they did that.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Moe.
Footballguy
Don't forget Fisher.
All kidding aside it should be interesting to see what Reggie Jackson does with the increased minutes. I assume the only change is that he starts at PG but with Brooks who knows. If he starts Fisher I might not be able to watch.
I'm also reading that Metta World Peace came back from a similar injury after two weeks. Is this correct? That seems crazy. Did he have surgery? Maybe it's possible Russ can be back for the WCF if they can get that far without him, but I really don't like their chances against Memphis/LAC without Westbrook.
Moe.
Footballguy
whoknew
Footballguy
I don't know much either, but I read an article that Metta World Peace came back in 13 days. But normal is 6-8 weeks.
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
Whoa. That sucks balls.
Wouldn't mind seeing the Spurs lace em up against Miami. They won't have more than about a 20% shot, but I just want to see Duncan play in one more Finals.
Wouldn't mind seeing the Spurs lace em up against Miami. They won't have more than about a 20% shot, but I just want to see Duncan play in one more Finals.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Yep, Metta had the surgery and was back in 2 weeks. He's obviously a freak of nature in that regard, but it still gives hope that Westbrook could return by the finals if the Thunder can get there, maybe sooner. I'm pessimistic on them getting through the Grizzlies/Clippers without him though.
Short Corner
Footballguy
Easily? So you wanna lay odds?He'll easily fetch that in China, probably more.
Master of Past and Present
Footballguy
Really stinks for OKC especially on the type of play it was. Always irritated at the 'defender running strip to beat the timeout call' attempt. Really stupid especially since I figure most officials would grant the timeout even if the strip was slightly first so the TV timeout gets in but now that it is affecting the playoffs it is really frustrating to see. It would be nice to see players who had been doing it see the senseless of it and stop on their own.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Village Idiot
Pokerguy
I get trading Harden if the choice had to be made and it was him or Ibaka. But I've yet to hear a sensible reason to have not just kept Harden for this season and then deal him afterward.
Short Corner
Footballguy
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Or just not trade him.
They'd have gotten killed with the luxury tax, but as far as I know, a team has never traded away a dynasty shot to save money.
There should be an unspoken agreement that if you're going to ask fans to support you through the lean years, that's fine, but when luck comes your way, you've got the horses for a run, and the fans are packing the house every night, you take that shot even if it hurts the owners' pocketbook for a few years.
As far as leverage goes, they'd have had plenty. Even if everyone knows that Harden has to be traded, they still have to outbid everyone else. As long as two teams want him badly, you have plenty of leverage.
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biggamer3
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not keeping Harden AND Ibaka and cutting Perkins was a huge mistake, and i said this at the time. Perkins was easily replaceable, guys like Kenyon and Birdman could have been had for minimum. Worst case the owner had to pony up a few million extra in luxury tax fees, no reason any NBA owner cant take that hit especially with the new TV deal coming in a few years.
Moe.
Footballguy
They offered him what they could afford, he rightly said no. The only way they could have kept him is he agreed to take less than he's worth. He got 5 years 80 million from the Rockets, the Thunder wouldn't have been able to get close to that.
Moe.
Footballguy
He still was going to be restricted and they could still offer him more money then anyone in a sign and trade. Still a lot of leverage.
Moe.
Footballguy
I don't think that would have allowed them to sign him to a max deal. Even if they amnesty Perk Harden's gone after this year and the Thunder are looking at Thabeet at their starting center this season.
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Cliff Clavin
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Nonsense! Everyone saw this injury coming! Forget the fact that OKC was a far better team this year on both sides of the ball than they ever have been. Presti should be fired!
Short Corner
Footballguy
My guess is they already offered him as much as they planned to when he turned down the extension. Also, I thought they did away with sign and trades with the new CBA.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Or he signs an offer sheet and OKC gets nothing for him. They'd have lost pretty much all leverage, other than the ability to match, if they kept him through this season.
Presti is great but if he could take back the trade he would even before Westbrook went down.
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Dr. Gobbler
Footballguy
Whatcha got?Easily? So you wanna lay odds?He'll easily fetch that in China, probably more.
Dr. Gobbler
Footballguy
I had to look it up but J.R. Smith got 3 million to play in China. Who the F knows who JR Smith is, internationally speaking? Everybody knows Kobe and those sweatshop 7 year olds won't be able to make those Zangjou jerseys fast enough. 20 mil, easily!
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Some Italian dude was willing to pay Bryant his choice of $6.7M for a season or about $740K per home game in Italy prior to the lockout.
Moe.
Footballguy
Short Corner
Footballguy
The highest paid Euro player was Derron Williams at 3.5M. Highest paid in CBA has been a number of Americans at $2.7, but China is looking to strictly enforce the cap for foreigners in the future ($60K/month).
Premier
Footballguy
So we should just shut the message board down? What's the point of discussing any of this?
Gr00vus
Footballguy
No, but I guess only Jerry West, Red Auerbach, Sam Presti and maybe a couple of other guys should be allowed to post. GM from Memphis is cool for now I figure, but Moe could revoke his posting privileges at any time.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Why? OKC was pretty awesome this year and expected to reach the finals without Harden.
Moe.
Footballguy
Hollinger is on notice but good for now. Premier> Are we not discussing it? It's not like that was my only post on the subject, and the trade has been discussed in here at length in the past. That was semi tongue-in-cheek anyways, but I do think it's worth mentioning. He's the one that knows what the owners are willing to do, what the market is like for Harden, etc. He's not perfect but given what he had to work with I think you have to trust his judgment that the deal was the best one he could make. It doesn't make any sense to me to call it a disaster. They finished first in the conference and had the best point differential in the league.
Also, I've said this exact same thing in here before, but say they don't make the trade and keep Harden. If you forget Westbrook getting hurt, are their odds to win the championship that much better? They still probably can't beat Miami. I think you have to just accept the fact that he was leaving after this season and then go from there. It makes a lot more sense once you get past the idea of the Thunder keeping him long-term.
Moe.
Footballguy
People are acting like you can just take the James Harden that now exists in Houston after being the man there for a year and plop him back on the Thunder. Who knows how the players would have developed differently this year had that trade not taken place. Durant took a pretty big step forward in his overall game this year, maybe that doesn't happen if Harden is there. The season worked out pretty well I'd say until the other night. Harden is too good to not have his own team anyways, it's better for everyone this way.
Kev4029
Footballguy
Not necessarily related to this Harden trade argument, Durant, Harden, Westbrook and Ibaka were 2nd, 4th and 5th and 15th, respectively, in win shares this season. That's ####### nuts.
Presti's draft picks since he took over right before the 2007 draft:
PG: Westbrook (2008-4th), Reggie Jackson (2011-24th)
SG: James Harden (2009 - 3rd), Robert Vaden (2009, 54th)
SF: Durant (2007-2nd), Jeff Green (2007-5th), Perry Jones (2012-28th), Latavious Williams (2010 - 48th)
PF: Serge Ibaka (2008 - 24th), DJ White (2008-29th), Ryan Reid (2010 - 57th)
C: Byron Mullens (2009-24th), Cole Aldrich (2010-1th) DeVon Hardin (2008 -50th), Tyler Pleib (2010 - 31st)
Hasn't had any success in the second round, but other than that, hes done pretty well.
Presti's draft picks since he took over right before the 2007 draft:
PG: Westbrook (2008-4th), Reggie Jackson (2011-24th)
SG: James Harden (2009 - 3rd), Robert Vaden (2009, 54th)
SF: Durant (2007-2nd), Jeff Green (2007-5th), Perry Jones (2012-28th), Latavious Williams (2010 - 48th)
PF: Serge Ibaka (2008 - 24th), DJ White (2008-29th), Ryan Reid (2010 - 57th)
C: Byron Mullens (2009-24th), Cole Aldrich (2010-1th) DeVon Hardin (2008 -50th), Tyler Pleib (2010 - 31st)
Hasn't had any success in the second round, but other than that, hes done pretty well.
Niles Standish
Footballguy
4 top 5 picks help though. Not to mention in 2007 every GM in the league would have taken Durant 2nd if Oden is 1st. It was Oden/Durant and everyone else. So yes Durant worked out but it's like lucking into Lebron or Duncan #1. Everyone makes the same pick. Now if he does it with the #1 pick it is a lot better move because there was a legitimate choice.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
At least Jack can get to bed early tonight.
Craig_MiamiFL
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