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[Dr. Gobbler]

Don't even know why you'd bring him back at this point.

Source: Chicago Tribune



Derrick Rose is at a "good 90 percent" and could return vs. the Heat in the second round, according to his brother Reggie Rose.

"He has been working hard and getting a lot of shots up every day," Reggie said about Derrick. "Most of all, he is getting his mind ready, getting comfortable with his body. I think [his mind] is probably at a good 90 percent now." It's basically been the same story on Rose for three months with different quotes coming from a handful of people. The Bulls didn't need Rose on Saturday with Nate Robinson going off, but this won't be the last we've heard about this story.

Translation: Rose is starting to freak out that this team is about to get out of the first round without his help and Noah playing hurt is really making him look bad.

 

[Abraham]

Don't even know why you'd bring him back at this point.

Source: Chicago Tribune



Derrick Rose is at a "good 90 percent" and could return vs. the Heat in the second round, according to his brother Reggie Rose.

"He has been working hard and getting a lot of shots up every day," Reggie said about Derrick. "Most of all, he is getting his mind ready, getting comfortable with his body. I think [his mind] is probably at a good 90 percent now." It's basically been the same story on Rose for three months with different quotes coming from a handful of people. The Bulls didn't need Rose on Saturday with Nate Robinson going off, but this won't be the last we've heard about this story.

Translation: Rose is starting to freak out that this team is about to get out of the first round without his help and Noah playing hurt is really making him look bad.

. Yup.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Don't even know why you'd bring him back at this point.

Source: Chicago Tribune

Derrick Rose is at a "good 90 percent" and could return vs. the Heat in the second round, according to his brother Reggie Rose.

"He has been working hard and getting a lot of shots up every day," Reggie said about Derrick. "Most of all, he is getting his mind ready, getting comfortable with his body. I think [his mind] is probably at a good 90 percent now." It's basically been the same story on Rose for three months with different quotes coming from a handful of people. The Bulls didn't need Rose on Saturday with Nate Robinson going off, but this won't be the last we've heard about this story.

Translation: Rose is starting to freak out that this team is about to get out of the first round without his help and Noah playing hurt is really making him look bad.

There is no news here. It's just a reporter giving Reggie some more attention. Derrick isn't coming back this year.

 

[Kev4029]

On top of all acl stuff, I remember reading during the Lebron free agency summer that he refused to recruit any of the big time free agents. I think its becoming very clear that he is only out for himself.

 

[Juxtatarot]

On top of all acl stuff, I remember reading during the Lebron free agency summer that he refused to recruit any of the big time free agents. I think its becoming very clear that he is only out for himself.

I think the recruiting thing has a lot to do with his introverted nature.

 

[Kev4029]

On top of all acl stuff, I remember reading during the Lebron free agency summer that he refused to recruit any of the big time free agents. I think its becoming very clear that he is only out for himself.

I think the recruiting thing has a lot to do with his introverted nature.

Maybe so, but hes really starting to look like a ####ty teammate.

 

[Juxtatarot]

On top of all acl stuff, I remember reading during the Lebron free agency summer that he refused to recruit any of the big time free agents. I think its becoming very clear that he is only out for himself.

I think the recruiting thing has a lot to do with his introverted nature.

Maybe so, but hes really starting to look like a ####ty teammate.

Yes, and it doesn't help that the words that come out of his mouth are so stupid -- "waiting for 110%", "not mentally ready", "only God knows", etc. His teammates are always saying the right thing in public but who knows what they really think. Regardless, this is one of those times when all will be forgiven if he comes back and plays well next year (except for the media and the haters).

 

[boubucarow]

On top of all acl stuff, I remember reading during the Lebron free agency summer that he refused to recruit any of the big time free agents. I think its becoming very clear that he is only out for himself.

I think the recruiting thing has a lot to do with his introverted nature.

Maybe so, but hes really starting to look like a ####ty teammate.

Second time you have stated this falsehood.

Not recruiting players says very little about him as a teammate. IRRC, he made comments about his trust in his teammates when talking about the free agents. When he first came into the league there was plenty of talk the first couple years about Rose needing to score more for his team and he was uncomfortable doing so because of his teammates. He accepted with open arms the most demanding head coach in the NBA. Unlike Wade and James during their first season in particular, he doesn't speak about the shortcomings of his teammates when explaining why the team struggles. I never once looked at his actions and words and questioned him as a teammate.

Now, he is not coming back from an injury and we don't know exactly why. So based on silly logic, you attach bad teammate to him. I can do the same right now but call him a good teammate.

Rose has so much trust (trust he always has openly conveyed) in his team that he knows they can beat the Nets without him. He has serious concerns about how much is knee can handle but he will risk it for his team when the play the one team in the East that he is needed to beat.

Just as silly. But IMO, the bad teammate angle fails simply when you watch the Bulls. Rose is constantly speaking to his teammates about the game. Numerous teammates have said they wanted his input and wanted him on the bench and vocal. When Robinson was on fire, Rose was in his ear more than once. They love Rose. That would be pretty difficult for a ####ty teammate who is sitting out games he should be playing.

I don't know what is going on and what he is waiting for. And I don't care at all what his brother says.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Actions speak louder than words. I have no clue as to what the deal with Rose really is, but his words mean nothing.

 

[biggamer3]

I know no one cares about the Nets, i probably shouldnt since the winner of the Nets/Bulls gets to lose to Miami in 5. But game 4 was probably the worst coached game i have ever watched on a big stage. I have been saying this all year (along with ALL my Nets friends) that PJ is the worst and most stubborn coach ever. Last night was the tsunami of stupidity. Besides not doing anything to step the Nate barrage at the end at all and not playing Blatche the 4th quarter and all three OT's until Evans fouled out, he lost this game when he failed to take his horrible free throw shooters out when Bulls were desperate and playing Hack an Evans and Hack a Wallace.

Bulls fouled Evans when Nets were up 14 with 3:15 to go and of course he missed both, following possession he left Wallace in the game and he got fouled intentionally and he missed both to open the door to the Bulls. If you guys watched the game you would have seen that the Nets players were soooo tired in the OT's. Deron had no lift left, Lopez was just walking out there, and he wouldnt put in Blatche who is an offensive beast for Evans who was doing nothing. Blatche scored 13 freaking points in 18 minutes, wtf is wrong with this coach? Ok, rant over, but that was horrible to watch and be a part of, had game 5 tickets for this series now not sure i even want to go anymore.

 

[Kev4029]

On top of all acl stuff, I remember reading during the Lebron free agency summer that he refused to recruit any of the big time free agents. I think its becoming very clear that he is only out for himself.

I think the recruiting thing has a lot to do with his introverted nature.

Maybe so, but hes really starting to look like a ####ty teammate.

Second time you have stated this falsehood.

Not recruiting players says very little about him as a teammate. IRRC, he made comments about his trust in his teammates when talking about the free agents. When he first came into the league there was plenty of talk the first couple years about Rose needing to score more for his team and he was uncomfortable doing so because of his teammates. He accepted with open arms the most demanding head coach in the NBA. Unlike Wade and James during their first season in particular, he doesn't speak about the shortcomings of his teammates when explaining why the team struggles. I never once looked at his actions and words and questioned him as a teammate.

Now, he is not coming back from an injury and we don't know exactly why. So based on silly logic, you attach bad teammate to him. I can do the same right now but call him a good teammate.

Rose has so much trust (trust he always has openly conveyed) in his team that he knows they can beat the Nets without him. He has serious concerns about how much is knee can handle but he will risk it for his team when the play the one team in the East that he is needed to beat.

Just as silly. But IMO, the bad teammate angle fails simply when you watch the Bulls. Rose is constantly speaking to his teammates about the game. Numerous teammates have said they wanted his input and wanted him on the bench and vocal. When Robinson was on fire, Rose was in his ear more than once. They love Rose. That would be pretty difficult for a ####ty teammate who is sitting out games he should be playing.

I don't know what is going on and what he is waiting for. And I don't care at all what his brother says.

I didn't say he was a ####ty teammate, I said hes looking like a ####ty teammate. I have no idea what his interactions with his teammates are like. I do know that if I were a Bulls fan I would be pretty upset that my team landed Carlos Boozer instead of some of the other players because my star player shunned the big time free agents. I also know that I wouldn't be too happy about him sitting on the bench 12 months after an injury in which I don't ever recall a player sitting out the full next season for.

 

[boubucarow]

On top of all acl stuff, I remember reading during the Lebron free agency summer that he refused to recruit any of the big time free agents. I think its becoming very clear that he is only out for himself.

I think the recruiting thing has a lot to do with his introverted nature.

Maybe so, but hes really starting to look like a ####ty teammate.

Second time you have stated this falsehood.

Not recruiting players says very little about him as a teammate. IRRC, he made comments about his trust in his teammates when talking about the free agents. When he first came into the league there was plenty of talk the first couple years about Rose needing to score more for his team and he was uncomfortable doing so because of his teammates. He accepted with open arms the most demanding head coach in the NBA. Unlike Wade and James during their first season in particular, he doesn't speak about the shortcomings of his teammates when explaining why the team struggles. I never once looked at his actions and words and questioned him as a teammate.

Now, he is not coming back from an injury and we don't know exactly why. So based on silly logic, you attach bad teammate to him. I can do the same right now but call him a good teammate.

Rose has so much trust (trust he always has openly conveyed) in his team that he knows they can beat the Nets without him. He has serious concerns about how much is knee can handle but he will risk it for his team when the play the one team in the East that he is needed to beat.

Just as silly. But IMO, the bad teammate angle fails simply when you watch the Bulls. Rose is constantly speaking to his teammates about the game. Numerous teammates have said they wanted his input and wanted him on the bench and vocal. When Robinson was on fire, Rose was in his ear more than once. They love Rose. That would be pretty difficult for a ####ty teammate who is sitting out games he should be playing.

I don't know what is going on and what he is waiting for. And I don't care at all what his brother says.

I didn't say he was a ####ty teammate, I said hes looking like a ####ty teammate. I have no idea what his interactions with his teammates are like. I do know that if I were a Bulls fan I would be pretty upset that my team landed Carlos Boozer instead of some of the other players because my star player shunned the big time free agents. I also know that I wouldn't be too happy about him sitting on the bench 12 months after an injury in which I don't ever recall a player sitting out the full next season for.

As a Bulls fan, I never thought James was a possibility. And I don't see how Rose texting him every 5 minutes would have altered that. If that is what was needed, I would have had more concerns for James than Rose. I still think (although I know it is highly arguable) that James would have had a better team around him in Chicago and that should have been the only factor in his decision.

It is the connection of those two instances that I don't understand. It is news to me that we got Boozer instead of James because of Rose. I don't look back at anything (as a Bulls fan) in Rose's past that builds an argument that he is a bad teammate. Now, I obviously have my concerns about what is happening. My "take" on what is in his mind changes every day. I want him on the court and it is upsetting as a fan.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

There has to be a chance for Howard and Phil in Brooklyn.

 

[biggamer3]

There has to be a chance for Howard and Phil in Brooklyn.

no chance. That train has passed, Nets are happy with Lopez and his non diva ways.

Nets need another piece and a real coach going forward.

 

[Kev4029]

On top of all acl stuff, I remember reading during the Lebron free agency summer that he refused to recruit any of the big time free agents. I think its becoming very clear that he is only out for himself.

I think the recruiting thing has a lot to do with his introverted nature.

Maybe so, but hes really starting to look like a ####ty teammate.

Second time you have stated this falsehood.

Not recruiting players says very little about him as a teammate. IRRC, he made comments about his trust in his teammates when talking about the free agents. When he first came into the league there was plenty of talk the first couple years about Rose needing to score more for his team and he was uncomfortable doing so because of his teammates. He accepted with open arms the most demanding head coach in the NBA. Unlike Wade and James during their first season in particular, he doesn't speak about the shortcomings of his teammates when explaining why the team struggles. I never once looked at his actions and words and questioned him as a teammate.

Now, he is not coming back from an injury and we don't know exactly why. So based on silly logic, you attach bad teammate to him. I can do the same right now but call him a good teammate.

Rose has so much trust (trust he always has openly conveyed) in his team that he knows they can beat the Nets without him. He has serious concerns about how much is knee can handle but he will risk it for his team when the play the one team in the East that he is needed to beat.

Just as silly. But IMO, the bad teammate angle fails simply when you watch the Bulls. Rose is constantly speaking to his teammates about the game. Numerous teammates have said they wanted his input and wanted him on the bench and vocal. When Robinson was on fire, Rose was in his ear more than once. They love Rose. That would be pretty difficult for a ####ty teammate who is sitting out games he should be playing.

I don't know what is going on and what he is waiting for. And I don't care at all what his brother says.

I didn't say he was a ####ty teammate, I said hes looking like a ####ty teammate. I have no idea what his interactions with his teammates are like. I do know that if I were a Bulls fan I would be pretty upset that my team landed Carlos Boozer instead of some of the other players because my star player shunned the big time free agents. I also know that I wouldn't be too happy about him sitting on the bench 12 months after an injury in which I don't ever recall a player sitting out the full next season for.

As a Bulls fan, I never thought James was a possibility. And I don't see how Rose texting him every 5 minutes would have altered that. If that is what was needed, I would have had more concerns for James than Rose. I still think (although I know it is highly arguable) that James would have had a better team around him in Chicago and that should have been the only factor in his decision.

It is the connection of those two instances that I don't understand. It is news to me that we got Boozer instead of James because of Rose. I don't look back at anything (as a Bulls fan) in Rose's past that builds an argument that he is a bad teammate. Now, I obviously have my concerns about what is happening. My "take" on what is in his mind changes every day. I want him on the court and it is upsetting as a fan.

It wasn't just James that offseason and I understand that Rose wasn't the sole reason they didn't land any of the bigger free agents but I honestly think it was a factor. Anybody in any industry wants to go where they know they are wanted, if these guys are being recruited by any significant person by every organization in the NBA other than Chicago I think it is fair to assume that the only players that are going to land with Chicago are the ones chasing money. I don't think that speaks at all to Lebron's or Wade's or anybody's ego/character other than Rose's. And I imagine now you'll come back with the argument that he's old school or he had confidence in his team but that's a bunch of bull####, he didn't recruit anybody because he didn't want to lose the spotlight.

 

[boubucarow]

On top of all acl stuff, I remember reading during the Lebron free agency summer that he refused to recruit any of the big time free agents. I think its becoming very clear that he is only out for himself.

I think the recruiting thing has a lot to do with his introverted nature.

Maybe so, but hes really starting to look like a ####ty teammate.

Second time you have stated this falsehood.

Not recruiting players says very little about him as a teammate. IRRC, he made comments about his trust in his teammates when talking about the free agents. When he first came into the league there was plenty of talk the first couple years about Rose needing to score more for his team and he was uncomfortable doing so because of his teammates. He accepted with open arms the most demanding head coach in the NBA. Unlike Wade and James during their first season in particular, he doesn't speak about the shortcomings of his teammates when explaining why the team struggles. I never once looked at his actions and words and questioned him as a teammate.

Now, he is not coming back from an injury and we don't know exactly why. So based on silly logic, you attach bad teammate to him. I can do the same right now but call him a good teammate.

Rose has so much trust (trust he always has openly conveyed) in his team that he knows they can beat the Nets without him. He has serious concerns about how much is knee can handle but he will risk it for his team when the play the one team in the East that he is needed to beat.

Just as silly. But IMO, the bad teammate angle fails simply when you watch the Bulls. Rose is constantly speaking to his teammates about the game. Numerous teammates have said they wanted his input and wanted him on the bench and vocal. When Robinson was on fire, Rose was in his ear more than once. They love Rose. That would be pretty difficult for a ####ty teammate who is sitting out games he should be playing.

I don't know what is going on and what he is waiting for. And I don't care at all what his brother says.

I didn't say he was a ####ty teammate, I said hes looking like a ####ty teammate. I have no idea what his interactions with his teammates are like. I do know that if I were a Bulls fan I would be pretty upset that my team landed Carlos Boozer instead of some of the other players because my star player shunned the big time free agents. I also know that I wouldn't be too happy about him sitting on the bench 12 months after an injury in which I don't ever recall a player sitting out the full next season for.

As a Bulls fan, I never thought James was a possibility. And I don't see how Rose texting him every 5 minutes would have altered that. If that is what was needed, I would have had more concerns for James than Rose. I still think (although I know it is highly arguable) that James would have had a better team around him in Chicago and that should have been the only factor in his decision.

It is the connection of those two instances that I don't understand. It is news to me that we got Boozer instead of James because of Rose. I don't look back at anything (as a Bulls fan) in Rose's past that builds an argument that he is a bad teammate. Now, I obviously have my concerns about what is happening. My "take" on what is in his mind changes every day. I want him on the court and it is upsetting as a fan.

It wasn't just James that offseason and I understand that Rose wasn't the sole reason they didn't land any of the bigger free agents but I honestly think it was a factor. Anybody in any industry wants to go where they know they are wanted, if these guys are being recruited by any significant person by every organization in the NBA other than Chicago I think it is fair to assume that the only players that are going to land with Chicago are the ones chasing money. I don't think that speaks at all to Lebron's or Wade's or anybody's ego/character other than Rose's. And I imagine now you'll come back with the argument that he's old school or he had confidence in his team but that's a bunch of bull####, he didn't recruit anybody because he didn't want to lose the spotlight.

Why do you think this?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

There has to be a chance for Howard and Phil in Brooklyn.

no chance. That train has passed, Nets are happy with Lopez and his non diva ways. Nets need another piece and a real coach going forward.

Phil is the key. The nets still want to make a splash.

 

[biggamer3]

There has to be a chance for Howard and Phil in Brooklyn.

no chance. That train has passed, Nets are happy with Lopez and his non diva ways. Nets need another piece and a real coach going forward.

Phil is the key. The nets still want to make a splash.

they want to but Josh Smith is the pipedream at this point for them. No way i can see that happening unless they do some sign and trade if that is still allowed. Phil wont coach again IMO, he wants to run a team

 

[boubucarow]

There has to be a chance for Howard and Phil in Brooklyn.

no chance. That train has passed, Nets are happy with Lopez and his non diva ways. Nets need another piece and a real coach going forward.

Phil is the key. The nets still want to make a splash.

they want to but Josh Smith is the pipedream at this point for them. No way i can see that happening unless they do some sign and trade if that is still allowed. Phil wont coach again IMO, he wants to run a team

I read that he is interested in building an entire organization around his philosophy. That doesn't surprise me at all if true.

 

[thecatch]

Regardless, this is one of those times when all will be forgiven if he comes back and plays well next year (except for the media and the haters).

It seems unlikely his teammates are just going to forget about the fact that he abandoned them during a crucial portion of this year unless there are extenuating circumstances we don't know about.

 

[Abraham]

Regardless, this is one of those times when all will be forgiven if he comes back and plays well next year (except for the media and the haters).

It seems unlikely his teammates are just going to forget about the fact that he abandoned them during a crucial portion of this year unless there are extenuating circumstances we don't know about.

How can you possibly know what his teammates think?

 

[Dr. Gobbler]

Rose is starting to look like that head case in Houston who can't get on a plane or be around crowds.

 

[thecatch]

Regardless, this is one of those times when all will be forgiven if he comes back and plays well next year (except for the media and the haters).

It seems unlikely his teammates are just going to forget about the fact that he abandoned them during a crucial portion of this year unless there are extenuating circumstances we don't know about.

How can you possibly know what his teammates think?

I have no idea what they think - it just seems odd to me that Noah is cool with the fact that he's killing himself while Rose gets himself "mentally ready" unless there's more to the story. Contrary to Juxtratrot's position, we don't know for sure that his teammates will be cool with it next year, either.

 

[SoBeDad]

There has to be a chance for Howard and Phil in Brooklyn.

no chance. That train has passed, Nets are happy with Lopez and his non diva ways. Nets need another piece and a real coach going forward.

Phil is the key. The nets still want to make a splash.

they want to but Josh Smith is the pipedream at this point for them. No way i can see that happening unless they do some sign and trade if that is still allowed. Phil wont coach again IMO, he wants to run a team

I read that he is interested in building an entire organization around his philosophy. That doesn't surprise me at all if true.

His philosophy is based on getting one or more of the best players of all time, along with an all-star or 2. There are only a few choices for Phil. Riley has been successful with the same philosophy.

 

[timschochet]

Dr. Gobbler has started posting in the basketball threads again. He is the mother####er who owes me $50 from a bet last year, and then left this forum for months to avoid paying me.

 

[Kev4029]

On top of all acl stuff, I remember reading during the Lebron free agency summer that he refused to recruit any of the big time free agents. I think its becoming very clear that he is only out for himself.

I think the recruiting thing has a lot to do with his introverted nature.

Maybe so, but hes really starting to look like a ####ty teammate.

Second time you have stated this falsehood.

Not recruiting players says very little about him as a teammate. IRRC, he made comments about his trust in his teammates when talking about the free agents. When he first came into the league there was plenty of talk the first couple years about Rose needing to score more for his team and he was uncomfortable doing so because of his teammates. He accepted with open arms the most demanding head coach in the NBA. Unlike Wade and James during their first season in particular, he doesn't speak about the shortcomings of his teammates when explaining why the team struggles. I never once looked at his actions and words and questioned him as a teammate.

Now, he is not coming back from an injury and we don't know exactly why. So based on silly logic, you attach bad teammate to him. I can do the same right now but call him a good teammate.

Rose has so much trust (trust he always has openly conveyed) in his team that he knows they can beat the Nets without him. He has serious concerns about how much is knee can handle but he will risk it for his team when the play the one team in the East that he is needed to beat.

Just as silly. But IMO, the bad teammate angle fails simply when you watch the Bulls. Rose is constantly speaking to his teammates about the game. Numerous teammates have said they wanted his input and wanted him on the bench and vocal. When Robinson was on fire, Rose was in his ear more than once. They love Rose. That would be pretty difficult for a ####ty teammate who is sitting out games he should be playing.

I don't know what is going on and what he is waiting for. And I don't care at all what his brother says.

I didn't say he was a ####ty teammate, I said hes looking like a ####ty teammate. I have no idea what his interactions with his teammates are like. I do know that if I were a Bulls fan I would be pretty upset that my team landed Carlos Boozer instead of some of the other players because my star player shunned the big time free agents. I also know that I wouldn't be too happy about him sitting on the bench 12 months after an injury in which I don't ever recall a player sitting out the full next season for.

As a Bulls fan, I never thought James was a possibility. And I don't see how Rose texting him every 5 minutes would have altered that. If that is what was needed, I would have had more concerns for James than Rose. I still think (although I know it is highly arguable) that James would have had a better team around him in Chicago and that should have been the only factor in his decision.

It is the connection of those two instances that I don't understand. It is news to me that we got Boozer instead of James because of Rose. I don't look back at anything (as a Bulls fan) in Rose's past that builds an argument that he is a bad teammate. Now, I obviously have my concerns about what is happening. My "take" on what is in his mind changes every day. I want him on the court and it is upsetting as a fan.

It wasn't just James that offseason and I understand that Rose wasn't the sole reason they didn't land any of the bigger free agents but I honestly think it was a factor. Anybody in any industry wants to go where they know they are wanted, if these guys are being recruited by any significant person by every organization in the NBA other than Chicago I think it is fair to assume that the only players that are going to land with Chicago are the ones chasing money. I don't think that speaks at all to Lebron's or Wade's or anybody's ego/character other than Rose's. And I imagine now you'll come back with the argument that he's old school or he had confidence in his team but that's a bunch of bull####, he didn't recruit anybody because he didn't want to lose the spotlight.

Why do you think this?

If you can give me a better explanation why he didn't want to play with Bosh/Wade/James when he knew the Bulls were going to spend all that cash they had on somebody, I'm all ears. My explanation for this is the only one that I see that makes sense.

And if hes spouting out through his brother, which is very possible, and he is complaining about the Bulls not being more proactive in putting talent around him, it makes him look even worse.

 

[boubucarow]

On top of all acl stuff, I remember reading during the Lebron free agency summer that he refused to recruit any of the big time free agents. I think its becoming very clear that he is only out for himself.

I think the recruiting thing has a lot to do with his introverted nature.

Maybe so, but hes really starting to look like a ####ty teammate.

Second time you have stated this falsehood.

Not recruiting players says very little about him as a teammate. IRRC, he made comments about his trust in his teammates when talking about the free agents. When he first came into the league there was plenty of talk the first couple years about Rose needing to score more for his team and he was uncomfortable doing so because of his teammates. He accepted with open arms the most demanding head coach in the NBA. Unlike Wade and James during their first season in particular, he doesn't speak about the shortcomings of his teammates when explaining why the team struggles. I never once looked at his actions and words and questioned him as a teammate.

Now, he is not coming back from an injury and we don't know exactly why. So based on silly logic, you attach bad teammate to him. I can do the same right now but call him a good teammate.

Rose has so much trust (trust he always has openly conveyed) in his team that he knows they can beat the Nets without him. He has serious concerns about how much is knee can handle but he will risk it for his team when the play the one team in the East that he is needed to beat.

Just as silly. But IMO, the bad teammate angle fails simply when you watch the Bulls. Rose is constantly speaking to his teammates about the game. Numerous teammates have said they wanted his input and wanted him on the bench and vocal. When Robinson was on fire, Rose was in his ear more than once. They love Rose. That would be pretty difficult for a ####ty teammate who is sitting out games he should be playing.

I don't know what is going on and what he is waiting for. And I don't care at all what his brother says.

I didn't say he was a ####ty teammate, I said hes looking like a ####ty teammate. I have no idea what his interactions with his teammates are like. I do know that if I were a Bulls fan I would be pretty upset that my team landed Carlos Boozer instead of some of the other players because my star player shunned the big time free agents. I also know that I wouldn't be too happy about him sitting on the bench 12 months after an injury in which I don't ever recall a player sitting out the full next season for.

As a Bulls fan, I never thought James was a possibility. And I don't see how Rose texting him every 5 minutes would have altered that. If that is what was needed, I would have had more concerns for James than Rose. I still think (although I know it is highly arguable) that James would have had a better team around him in Chicago and that should have been the only factor in his decision.

It is the connection of those two instances that I don't understand. It is news to me that we got Boozer instead of James because of Rose. I don't look back at anything (as a Bulls fan) in Rose's past that builds an argument that he is a bad teammate. Now, I obviously have my concerns about what is happening. My "take" on what is in his mind changes every day. I want him on the court and it is upsetting as a fan.

It wasn't just James that offseason and I understand that Rose wasn't the sole reason they didn't land any of the bigger free agents but I honestly think it was a factor. Anybody in any industry wants to go where they know they are wanted, if these guys are being recruited by any significant person by every organization in the NBA other than Chicago I think it is fair to assume that the only players that are going to land with Chicago are the ones chasing money. I don't think that speaks at all to Lebron's or Wade's or anybody's ego/character other than Rose's. And I imagine now you'll come back with the argument that he's old school or he had confidence in his team but that's a bunch of bull####, he didn't recruit anybody because he didn't want to lose the spotlight.

Why do you think this?

If you can give me a better explanation why he didn't want to play with Bosh/Wade/James when he knew the Bulls were going to spend all that cash they had on somebody, I'm all ears. My explanation for this is the only one that I see that makes sense.

And if hes spouting out through his brother, which is very possible, and he is complaining about the Bulls not being more proactive in putting talent around him, it makes him look even worse.

So you take his lack of recruitment to mean he didn't want to play with them. I take it as he did not want to appear like he want to throw his teammates under the bus and/or he just didn't think it was needed since he didn't see any reason for anyone to think he wouldn't play with them. He apparently did text James to make sure that he knew he wanted to play with him after it became news that he was not recruiting. In the end, I just don't see any justification for your thinking and it seems you don't for mine. So that's that I suppose.

As for his brother, there is another assumption I just don't get. Why is that very possible?

Now you are combining both assumptions with the injury to make Rose look like he cares only for himself. If so, he must be a sociopath because he has simultaneously tanked his own franchise twice while convincing his team he is a tremendous teammate who is a strong asset to the team even when he isn't playing.

And it isn't that his teammates are saying the right things. Just watch the bench during the game. Rose is as involved as possible while inactive and his teammates soak up every word out of his mouth. The outward display of joy he has when his teammates are succeeding must just be the con-artist at his best.

 

[Britney Spears]

Dr. Gobbler has started posting in the basketball threads again. He is the mother####er who owes me $50 from a bet last year, and then left this forum for months to avoid paying me.

Pay up Gobbler!

 

[biggamer3]

Melo was horrible tonight and the Knicks still almost won while missing their #2 player. Celts just delaying the inevitable for one more game.

 

[Britney Spears]

Melo was horrible tonight and the Knicks still almost won while missing their #2 player. Celts just delaying the inevitable for one more game.

Those repeated end-game ISO plays were painful to watch.

 

[pollardsvision]

I'm fine if Rose was in no hurry to play with LeBron. Remember all the flack LeBron/Wade got for taking the "easy" way out and teaming up?It was all, "oh, MJ, MJ, or Bird would've never done that!!" One of them actually said it themselves, didn't they? If Rose thought, "Screw LeBron, we're good enough without him and we'll beat him whereever he goes", that's fine. It might be considered a great, old-school mentality.

And of course he didn't want to give up being the alpha dog on his own team. No great player does. Not at the beginning of their prime when they've already lead their team to a couple top seeds and solid playoff runs. Apparently, Rose was right. His teammates are very good.

 

[Kev4029]

On top of all acl stuff, I remember reading during the Lebron free agency summer that he refused to recruit any of the big time free agents. I think its becoming very clear that he is only out for himself.

I think the recruiting thing has a lot to do with his introverted nature.

Maybe so, but hes really starting to look like a ####ty teammate.

Second time you have stated this falsehood.

Not recruiting players says very little about him as a teammate. IRRC, he made comments about his trust in his teammates when talking about the free agents. When he first came into the league there was plenty of talk the first couple years about Rose needing to score more for his team and he was uncomfortable doing so because of his teammates. He accepted with open arms the most demanding head coach in the NBA. Unlike Wade and James during their first season in particular, he doesn't speak about the shortcomings of his teammates when explaining why the team struggles. I never once looked at his actions and words and questioned him as a teammate.

Now, he is not coming back from an injury and we don't know exactly why. So based on silly logic, you attach bad teammate to him. I can do the same right now but call him a good teammate.

Rose has so much trust (trust he always has openly conveyed) in his team that he knows they can beat the Nets without him. He has serious concerns about how much is knee can handle but he will risk it for his team when the play the one team in the East that he is needed to beat.

Just as silly. But IMO, the bad teammate angle fails simply when you watch the Bulls. Rose is constantly speaking to his teammates about the game. Numerous teammates have said they wanted his input and wanted him on the bench and vocal. When Robinson was on fire, Rose was in his ear more than once. They love Rose. That would be pretty difficult for a ####ty teammate who is sitting out games he should be playing.

I don't know what is going on and what he is waiting for. And I don't care at all what his brother says.

I didn't say he was a ####ty teammate, I said hes looking like a ####ty teammate. I have no idea what his interactions with his teammates are like. I do know that if I were a Bulls fan I would be pretty upset that my team landed Carlos Boozer instead of some of the other players because my star player shunned the big time free agents. I also know that I wouldn't be too happy about him sitting on the bench 12 months after an injury in which I don't ever recall a player sitting out the full next season for.

As a Bulls fan, I never thought James was a possibility. And I don't see how Rose texting him every 5 minutes would have altered that. If that is what was needed, I would have had more concerns for James than Rose. I still think (although I know it is highly arguable) that James would have had a better team around him in Chicago and that should have been the only factor in his decision.

It is the connection of those two instances that I don't understand. It is news to me that we got Boozer instead of James because of Rose. I don't look back at anything (as a Bulls fan) in Rose's past that builds an argument that he is a bad teammate. Now, I obviously have my concerns about what is happening. My "take" on what is in his mind changes every day. I want him on the court and it is upsetting as a fan.

It wasn't just James that offseason and I understand that Rose wasn't the sole reason they didn't land any of the bigger free agents but I honestly think it was a factor. Anybody in any industry wants to go where they know they are wanted, if these guys are being recruited by any significant person by every organization in the NBA other than Chicago I think it is fair to assume that the only players that are going to land with Chicago are the ones chasing money. I don't think that speaks at all to Lebron's or Wade's or anybody's ego/character other than Rose's. And I imagine now you'll come back with the argument that he's old school or he had confidence in his team but that's a bunch of bull####, he didn't recruit anybody because he didn't want to lose the spotlight.

Why do you think this?

If you can give me a better explanation why he didn't want to play with Bosh/Wade/James when he knew the Bulls were going to spend all that cash they had on somebody, I'm all ears. My explanation for this is the only one that I see that makes sense.

And if hes spouting out through his brother, which is very possible, and he is complaining about the Bulls not being more proactive in putting talent around him, it makes him look even worse.

So you take his lack of recruitment to mean he didn't want to play with them. I take it as he did not want to appear like he want to throw his teammates under the bus and/or he just didn't think it was needed since he didn't see any reason for anyone to think he wouldn't play with them. He apparently did text James to make sure that he knew he wanted to play with him after it became news that he was not recruiting. In the end, I just don't see any justification for your thinking and it seems you don't for mine. So that's that I suppose.

As for his brother, there is another assumption I just don't get. Why is that very possible?

Now you are combining both assumptions with the injury to make Rose look like he cares only for himself. If so, he must be a sociopath because he has simultaneously tanked his own franchise twice while convincing his team he is a tremendous teammate who is a strong asset to the team even when he isn't playing.

And it isn't that his teammates are saying the right things. Just watch the bench during the game. Rose is as involved as possible while inactive and his teammates soak up every word out of his mouth. The outward display of joy he has when his teammates are succeeding must just be the con-artist at his best.

About his brother, he is not only Rose's sibling but he is his manager. I find it strange that he wouldn't immediately distance himself from those comments if they weren't the truth (he did end up issuing a statement about his brothers comments through the team but it was obviously a PR move with the team and it really didn't say his brother was wrong) and I also would think that he would fire his brother if he wasn't looking out for his best interests. I do think that his brother is speaking for him.

About the sitting on the bench thing... Kobe does that same thing and not many people rush to his defense that hes a great teammate.

 

[Raider Nation]

I can't believe a 38-44 team is going to get swept in the playoffs. I thought they were poised for greatness.

 

[Kev4029]

I'm fine if Rose was in no hurry to play with LeBron. Remember all the flack LeBron/Wade got for taking the "easy" way out and teaming up?It was all, "oh, MJ, MJ, or Bird would've never done that!!" One of them actually said it themselves, didn't they? If Rose thought, "Screw LeBron, we're good enough without him and we'll beat him whereever he goes", that's fine. It might be considered a great, old-school mentality.

And of course he didn't want to give up being the alpha dog on his own team. No great player does. Not at the beginning of their prime when they've already lead their team to a couple top seeds and solid playoff runs. Apparently, Rose was right. His teammates are very good.

I already mentioned that this was a BS excuse.

The whole we'll beat Lebron without him thought process might make sense if the Bulls weren't going to spend $25million anyway and if he was the only free agent that summer.

Wade gave up the "alpha dog" title on his team. I would argue that Duncan did a few years ago, as well as Pierce in the first year with Garnett. There aren't a whole lot of instances of superstars that give up their "alpha dog" title because there aren't very many opportunities for a stud to join a team with somebody his equal.

And I hate the idea that Bird, Magic and Jordan wouldn't have teamed with another star like Lebron, Wade and Bosh did. This is so dumb on a few levels. Jordan did do this with hall of fame player Dennis Rodman, so I think the idea that he wouldn't team up is pretty much out the window. For Bird and Magic, they wouldn't have had to recruit anybody, they both played with the two best teams of the 80s which were filled with HOFers. If they were so set on doing on their own they would have done that somewhere else. On top of all of that, there wasn't free agency like there is now, especially for Bird and Magic, its easy to say that you wouldn't do what Lebron and Bosh did when it wasn't a possibility anyway.

 

[pollardsvision]

I'm fine if Rose was in no hurry to play with LeBron. Remember all the flack LeBron/Wade got for taking the "easy" way out and teaming up?It was all, "oh, MJ, MJ, or Bird would've never done that!!" One of them actually said it themselves, didn't they? If Rose thought, "Screw LeBron, we're good enough without him and we'll beat him whereever he goes", that's fine. It might be considered a great, old-school mentality.

And of course he didn't want to give up being the alpha dog on his own team. No great player does. Not at the beginning of their prime when they've already lead their team to a couple top seeds and solid playoff runs. Apparently, Rose was right. His teammates are very good.

I already mentioned that this was a BS excuse.

The whole we'll beat Lebron without him thought process might make sense if the Bulls weren't going to spend $25million anyway and if he was the only free agent that summer.

Wade gave up the "alpha dog" title on his team. I would argue that Duncan did a few years ago, as well as Pierce in the first year with Garnett. There aren't a whole lot of instances of superstars that give up their "alpha dog" title because there aren't very many opportunities for a stud to join a team with somebody his equal.

And I hate the idea that Bird, Magic and Jordan wouldn't have teamed with another star like Lebron, Wade and Bosh did. This is so dumb on a few levels. Jordan did do this with hall of fame player Dennis Rodman, so I think the idea that he wouldn't team up is pretty much out the window. For Bird and Magic, they wouldn't have had to recruit anybody, they both played with the two best teams of the 80s which were filled with HOFers. If they were so set on doing on their own they would have done that somewhere else. On top of all of that, there wasn't free agency like there is now, especially for Bird and Magic, its easy to say that you wouldn't do what Lebron and Bosh did when it wasn't a possibility anyway.

I agree with most of that.

Just saying that, if Rose wasn't in a hurry to do it, that would make him more similar to most other superstars than not.

Wade obviously being the main exception, but that's why I mentioned at the beginning of their prime and having already lead a team to the top of the class in their Conference (and Pierce fit neither of those).

Wade was looking at the downside coming fast when he teamed up with LeBron. Shaq might fit, but getting a big man teaming up with a perimeter player is a little different.

Obviously, though, there seems to be something different about Wade than many other superstars.

I don't really have a problem with either approach.

I do agree that the old-timers probably shouldn't comment on it since they never had the opportunity to show what they'd do in that situation.

 

[Kev4029]

I'm fine if Rose was in no hurry to play with LeBron. Remember all the flack LeBron/Wade got for taking the "easy" way out and teaming up?It was all, "oh, MJ, MJ, or Bird would've never done that!!" One of them actually said it themselves, didn't they? If Rose thought, "Screw LeBron, we're good enough without him and we'll beat him whereever he goes", that's fine. It might be considered a great, old-school mentality.

And of course he didn't want to give up being the alpha dog on his own team. No great player does. Not at the beginning of their prime when they've already lead their team to a couple top seeds and solid playoff runs. Apparently, Rose was right. His teammates are very good.

I already mentioned that this was a BS excuse.

The whole we'll beat Lebron without him thought process might make sense if the Bulls weren't going to spend $25million anyway and if he was the only free agent that summer.

Wade gave up the "alpha dog" title on his team. I would argue that Duncan did a few years ago, as well as Pierce in the first year with Garnett. There aren't a whole lot of instances of superstars that give up their "alpha dog" title because there aren't very many opportunities for a stud to join a team with somebody his equal.

And I hate the idea that Bird, Magic and Jordan wouldn't have teamed with another star like Lebron, Wade and Bosh did. This is so dumb on a few levels. Jordan did do this with hall of fame player Dennis Rodman, so I think the idea that he wouldn't team up is pretty much out the window. For Bird and Magic, they wouldn't have had to recruit anybody, they both played with the two best teams of the 80s which were filled with HOFers. If they were so set on doing on their own they would have done that somewhere else. On top of all of that, there wasn't free agency like there is now, especially for Bird and Magic, its easy to say that you wouldn't do what Lebron and Bosh did when it wasn't a possibility anyway.

I agree with most of that.

Just saying that, if Rose wasn't in a hurry to do it, that would make him more similar to most other superstars than not.

Wade obviously being the main exception, but that's why I mentioned at the beginning of their prime and having already lead a team to the top of the class in their Conference (and Pierce fit neither of those).

Wade was looking at the downside coming fast when he teamed up with LeBron. Shaq might fit, but getting a big man teaming up with a perimeter player is a little different.

Obviously, though, there seems to be something different about Wade than many other superstars.

I don't really have a problem with either approach.

I do agree that the old-timers probably shouldn't comment on it since they never had the opportunity to show what they'd do in that situation.

Really, I don't fault Rose if he is out for himself, I have a problem with people pretending like hes not.

 

[thecatch]

Wow, Howard mails in the first half of an elimination game and then gets ejected at the beginning of the second half. Heart of a champion.

 

[towney]

Wow, Howard mails in the first half of an elimination game and then gets ejected at the beginning of the second half. Heart of a champion.

That's why Orlando labeled him Dwight Coward. This guy has no heart and refuses to take on any type of leadership role.

Now he will probably do the whole drama with LA he did in Orlando as far as resigning. If your going to resign just man up and say it.

Looks like Shaq won't have to worry about Howard taking his legacy away. I also think we LA fans/media have been to forgiving of Howard, but then again after tonight.... Nice job Dwight.

Looks like Kobe decided to go court side instead of tearing into Howard in the locker room, man I hope LA takes a long look at resigning this clown.

 

[((Morpheus))]

I can't stop laughing at the LA circus right now

 

[Premier]

http://deadspin.com/tim-duncan-is-the-greatest-483840129?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

 

[tommyGunZ]

Lakers starting backcourt played in 49 of a possible 164 games this season. 35 DNPs, and 80 WNOTFR*.

*Was Not On The ####### Roster

 

[Instinctive]

Wow, Howard mails in the first half of an elimination game and then gets ejected at the beginning of the second half. Heart of a champion.

We'll take him in Dallas.

 

[CurlyNight]

My teams rock! Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep the Lakers and the Bucks!!

LOVE seeing T-Mac back and on the Spurs team!

 

[towney]

Just a thought.... Dwight Howard = the new Terrell Owens of basketball.

Can't see Kobe ever warming up to Howard any more.

Watch out LA fans I'm sure the Howard apology PR machine is coming, dude has to save face.

 

[Hang 10]

My teams rock! Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep the Lakers and the Bucks!! LOVE seeing T-Mac back and on the Spurs team!

McGrady finally makes it out of the first round! :confetti:

 

[Reginald Cornsilks]

http://deadspin.com/tim-duncan-is-the-greatest-483840129?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

Nice

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Mark Jackson needs to leave his wife at home. My gawd that was terrible.

 

[Kev4029]

My teams rock! Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep the Lakers and the Bucks!! LOVE seeing T-Mac back and on the Spurs team!

McGrady finally makes it out of the first round! :confetti:

They played him for 5 minutes for what I have to assume is specifically so he can say he played on a team that made it out.

 

[pollardsvision]

Nice 3rd qtr for Lawson.

 

[Kev4029]

Nice 3rd qtr for Lawson.

Too bad it hasn't been nice for anybody else. This whole series the Nuggets close in on the lead and then lose a shooter a couple times down the court in a row and the lead balloons. Its so ### #### frustrating as a fan.