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*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (4 Viewers)

I think Morey knows he's not getting BOsh. At no point has Bosh suggested he wants to come to Houston, and I suspect much of that is rooted in the fact that no one knows if Yao is going to be there. As much as getting Bosh would be a good deal for the team and the city, Yao will continue being the face of the franchise. And Bosh is likely thinking, "If I'm not going to be the man, then why wouldn't I go somewhere for the same money that has a better chance to win it all" like Miami or wherever James goes.
Well what other teams can offer TOR the draft picks/players to get Bosh? If Bosh comes to the Rockets he will be the man, with or without Yao. No way will Bosh not do a sign and trade and give up all that extra $.
Lebron would be the only player that could make the Rockets a non-Yao-o-Centric organization.
Up to this point Yao has not been the clear cut "man" nor will he likely be in the future since his minutes will be reduced and actually can stay healthy (which the odds are slim on that). This next year will be a huge one for the Rockets in determining if Yao will even be a Rocket in the future.
 
Damn more and more sources are saying the Dubs are going to draft Udoh over Monroe! Can anyone try to rationalize this for me? Hopefully it is a smoke screen.

 
I think Morey knows he's not getting BOsh. At no point has Bosh suggested he wants to come to Houston, and I suspect much of that is rooted in the fact that no one knows if Yao is going to be there. As much as getting Bosh would be a good deal for the team and the city, Yao will continue being the face of the franchise. And Bosh is likely thinking, "If I'm not going to be the man, then why wouldn't I go somewhere for the same money that has a better chance to win it all" like Miami or wherever James goes.
Well what other teams can offer TOR the draft picks/players to get Bosh? If Bosh comes to the Rockets he will be the man, with or without Yao. No way will Bosh not do a sign and trade and give up all that extra $.
Lebron would be the only player that could make the Rockets a non-Yao-o-Centric organization.
Up to this point Yao has not been the clear cut "man" nor will he likely be in the future since his minutes will be reduced and actually can stay healthy (which the odds are slim on that). This next year will be a huge one for the Rockets in determining if Yao will even be a Rocket in the future.
If Yao is in the NBA, he will be a Houston Rocket. I think you are worrying too much about things like "winning" and "stats" and not thinking enough about things like "money" and "marketing" and "holy cow there are a LOT OF PEOPLE IN CHINA BUYING ROCKETS GEAR."
 
Ms. Celph netted herself a huge bonus this year, and as such I might not be able to make it to one of my favorite FFA events tonight as we might be out celebrating (haven't finalized dinner plans yet). I'll miss you guys. :thumbup:

 
I think Morey knows he's not getting BOsh. At no point has Bosh suggested he wants to come to Houston, and I suspect much of that is rooted in the fact that no one knows if Yao is going to be there. As much as getting Bosh would be a good deal for the team and the city, Yao will continue being the face of the franchise. And Bosh is likely thinking, "If I'm not going to be the man, then why wouldn't I go somewhere for the same money that has a better chance to win it all" like Miami or wherever James goes.
Well what other teams can offer TOR the draft picks/players to get Bosh? If Bosh comes to the Rockets he will be the man, with or without Yao. No way will Bosh not do a sign and trade and give up all that extra $.
Lebron would be the only player that could make the Rockets a non-Yao-o-Centric organization.
Up to this point Yao has not been the clear cut "man" nor will he likely be in the future since his minutes will be reduced and actually can stay healthy (which the odds are slim on that). This next year will be a huge one for the Rockets in determining if Yao will even be a Rocket in the future.
If Yao is in the NBA, he will be a Houston Rocket. I think you are worrying too much about things like "winning" and "stats" and not thinking enough about things like "money" and "marketing" and "holy cow there are a LOT OF PEOPLE IN CHINA BUYING ROCKETS GEAR."
He will stay a Rocket if he proves he can stay healthy / won't have to overpay for him to stay It's all about improving the team to Morey and if resigning Yao hurts their cap and chances of moving forward they won't. Wouldn't be shocked to even trade him if they go in another direction. Clearly last year shows that without Yao they won a good amount of games and aren't a lottery team w/o him. Just need to keep building and not count on Yao for once staying healthy.
 
Ms. Celph netted herself a huge bonus this year, and as such I might not be able to make it to one of my favorite FFA events tonight as we might be out celebrating (haven't finalized dinner plans yet). I'll miss you guys. :lol:
You East Coast? I thought you were a Warrior fan? The draft starts at 430 on the west, no reason to miss out on dinner and the draft!
 
He will stay a Rocket if he proves he can stay healthy / won't have to overpay for him to stay It's all about improving the team to Morey and if resigning Yao hurts their cap and chances of moving forward they won't. Wouldn't be shocked to even trade him if they go in another direction. Clearly last year shows that without Yao they won a good amount of games and aren't a lottery team w/o him. Just need to keep building and not count on Yao for once staying healthy.
We'll just have to disagree. There is no way, under NBA salary cap rules, that Yao Ming can be overpaid. He is the most well known athlete in the most populous country on earth, a country with more "rich" people (those with disposable income) then there are people in the entire United States of America. The market for all-things-Yao is still going strong in China and his popularity carries the rest of the team - for a while, (IIRC), Tracy McGrady had the highest selling jersey on earth despite not being a top-10 player in the league. If Yao has a pulse and there is even a slight chance he will return to the court to play, he will be in Houston.
 
Ms. Celph netted herself a huge bonus this year, and as such I might not be able to make it to one of my favorite FFA events tonight as we might be out celebrating (haven't finalized dinner plans yet). I'll miss you guys. :shrug:
Just let us know what would be the most disappointing draft outcome possible and we'll ##### and moan for you here when it happens. Maybe Brittney Spears can fill in for you since he's a man without a team.
 
He will stay a Rocket if he proves he can stay healthy / won't have to overpay for him to stay It's all about improving the team to Morey and if resigning Yao hurts their cap and chances of moving forward they won't. Wouldn't be shocked to even trade him if they go in another direction. Clearly last year shows that without Yao they won a good amount of games and aren't a lottery team w/o him. Just need to keep building and not count on Yao for once staying healthy.
We'll just have to disagree. There is no way, under NBA salary cap rules, that Yao Ming can be overpaid. He is the most well known athlete in the most populous country on earth, a country with more "rich" people (those with disposable income) then there are people in the entire United States of America. The market for all-things-Yao is still going strong in China and his popularity carries the rest of the team - for a while, (IIRC), Tracy McGrady had the highest selling jersey on earth despite not being a top-10 player in the league. If Yao has a pulse and there is even a slight chance he will return to the court to play, he will be in Houston.
You're counting that Yao for the first time in his NBA career will stay healthy and play at a dominate level which he hasn't to this point. Of course if he stays healthy all bets are off and of course they'll sign him but won't if he again gets hurts and doesn't play and then resign him for the max.You're also assuming that Yao is a very popular player in China which he's never even had the #1 jersey sales in China to date
 
He will stay a Rocket if he proves he can stay healthy / won't have to overpay for him to stay

It's all about improving the team to Morey and if resigning Yao hurts their cap and chances of moving forward they won't. Wouldn't be shocked to even trade him if they go in another direction. Clearly last year shows that without Yao they won a good amount of games and aren't a lottery team w/o him. Just need to keep building and not count on Yao for once staying healthy.
We'll just have to disagree. There is no way, under NBA salary cap rules, that Yao Ming can be overpaid. He is the most well known athlete in the most populous country on earth, a country with more "rich" people (those with disposable income) then there are people in the entire United States of America. The market for all-things-Yao is still going strong in China and his popularity carries the rest of the team - for a while, (IIRC), Tracy McGrady had the highest selling jersey on earth despite not being a top-10 player in the league. If Yao has a pulse and there is even a slight chance he will return to the court to play, he will be in Houston.
You're counting that Yao for the first time in his NBA career will stay healthy and play at a dominate level which he hasn't to this point. Of course if he stays healthy all bets are off and of course they'll sign him but won't if he again gets hurts and doesn't play and then resign him for the max.You're also assuming that Yao is a very popular player in China which he's never even had the #1 jersey sales in China to date
FAIL! He was #1 early in his career but since everyone and their momma has Yao jerseys (and the Rockets haven't changed theirs) others have taken the top spot away from Yao.
 
He will stay a Rocket if he proves he can stay healthy / won't have to overpay for him to stay

It's all about improving the team to Morey and if resigning Yao hurts their cap and chances of moving forward they won't. Wouldn't be shocked to even trade him if they go in another direction. Clearly last year shows that without Yao they won a good amount of games and aren't a lottery team w/o him. Just need to keep building and not count on Yao for once staying healthy.
We'll just have to disagree. There is no way, under NBA salary cap rules, that Yao Ming can be overpaid. He is the most well known athlete in the most populous country on earth, a country with more "rich" people (those with disposable income) then there are people in the entire United States of America. The market for all-things-Yao is still going strong in China and his popularity carries the rest of the team - for a while, (IIRC), Tracy McGrady had the highest selling jersey on earth despite not being a top-10 player in the league. If Yao has a pulse and there is even a slight chance he will return to the court to play, he will be in Houston.
You're counting that Yao for the first time in his NBA career will stay healthy and play at a dominate level which he hasn't to this point. Of course if he stays healthy all bets are off and of course they'll sign him but won't if he again gets hurts and doesn't play and then resign him for the max.You're also assuming that Yao is a very popular player in China which he's never even had the #1 jersey sales in China to date
FAIL! He was #1 early in his career but since everyone and their momma has Yao jerseys (and the Rockets haven't changed theirs) others have taken the top spot away from Yao.
FAIL
 
Going to the Kings draft party at Arco today. Time for another rookie of the year.
I plan on having a computer next to me so that I have all the rumors, and ordering some Chinese food about 1/2 hour from the start. Very exciting night.
I'm pretty sure I'm going. I need to go to Natomas tonight anyways and they arw giving you a free ticket to a game if you show up.
NICE. Have fun if you attend tonight.Are you still thinking Cousins is the pick (if he is available)? This is still my hunch/feeling, but you never know with Petrie.And any clue on a couple of the guys Sac will be looking at in rd 2 potentially?
I think they need to go big. So Cousins would be my pick. If not him Monroe. 2nd round I would like to see a PG maybe White or Warren.
 
Lots of talk around Detroit about this:

Detroit gives #7 overall, Tayshaun Prince, Chris Wilcox

Minnesota gives #16, 23, Al Jefferson
i think this happens only if cousins is sitting there at 1.7. otherwise, no chance....
i think if cousins is there it won't happen either because detroit would just take him.
detroit may prefer to take the underachieving jefferson over the mercurial cousins. they probably don't want charlie v giving an "impressionable youth" any ideas. that they can pick up two mid R1 picks in the process is just gravy. minnesota gets someone better suited to work the paint with kevlove.
 
Why? If you would rather have cap room than Bynum you are crazy. No one wants to go to Toronto and Bynum is a perfect player for them. Sure its a risk with his knee, but its worth it for a franchise who can only improve via trades and draft.
:mellow: If he's so good why are you in such a hurry to get rid of him?
I do not want to get rid of rim. I'm looking at it from the Raptors side. I want to keep the Lakers foundation of Kobe, Pau, Odom, Bynum, and Fish together. Add pieces around that until it doesn't work. Bynum has yet to be 100% for the playoffs, and all injuries have been freak plays. The courage he showed playing on a torn up knee shows his heart. I love the guy.
I love it that if a guy gets hurt constantly and the team wins, he's played with heart. But if a guy gets hurt constantly and the team loses, he's fragile and a burden. You'd pawn this guy off to the higest bidder immediately if there were any takers. Heart :lmao:
 
You're counting that Yao for the first time in his NBA career will stay healthy and play at a dominate level which he hasn't to this point. Of course if he stays healthy all bets are off and of course they'll sign him but won't if he again gets hurts and doesn't play and then resign him for the max.
No, I'm not counting on that at all. Even when Yao is hurt the ROckets are still the most followed and watched team in China.
You're also assuming that Yao is a very popular player in China which he's never even had the #1 jersey sales in China to date
Even though I admit I brought it up, Chinese jersey sales is a terrible barometer of a player's popularity because the Chinese knock-off market isn't factored in. I suspect that everyone who is a basketball fan in China owns a Yao jersey, authentic or counterfeit. Suggesting that somehow Yao is not a "very popular player" in China is ridiculous.
 
Lots of talk around Detroit about this:Detroit gives #7 overall, Tayshaun Prince, Chris WilcoxMinnesota gives #16, 23, Al Jefferson
I don't think the Pistons want to take on the contract of Jefferson.ETA They are trying to sell the team. I would do that trade though,AJ is only 25
 
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You're counting that Yao for the first time in his NBA career will stay healthy and play at a dominate level which he hasn't to this point. Of course if he stays healthy all bets are off and of course they'll sign him but won't if he again gets hurts and doesn't play and then resign him for the max.
No, I'm not counting on that at all. Even when Yao is hurt the ROckets are still the most followed and watched team in China.
You're also assuming that Yao is a very popular player in China which he's never even had the #1 jersey sales in China to date
Even though I admit I brought it up, Chinese jersey sales is a terrible barometer of a player's popularity because the Chinese knock-off market isn't factored in. I suspect that everyone who is a basketball fan in China owns a Yao jersey, authentic or counterfeit. Suggesting that somehow Yao is not a "very popular player" in China is ridiculous.
Style and scoring ability.

This is why Kobe Bryant is the greatest sports icon in China; not Yao Ming, not Yi Jianlian, not even groundbreaking hurdle-champion Liu Xiang.
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id...-no-kobe-bryant
 
State of the Nets - Thorn has done a nice job keeping all options open for #3 - right now from what I hear Favors is the fave but other scenarios to watch -

1. Philly goes big and grabs Favors - doubtful

2. Nets deal #3 and Devin Harris for Chris Paul - doubful

3. Nets heavy bluff Minny that they are taking Wes Johnson at #3 and squeeze a pick out of them and still get Favors. - more possible

4. Nets grab Johnson for themselves and go PF in FA - more possible

5. Nets trade down and grab Cousins or Monroe - doubtful

In the end I think they sit tight and grab Favors unless Turner falls into their laps......not a bad thing - a Favors/Lopez front court could be awesome in a few years - assuming not Lebron - add Lee/Amare/Boozer for another big body and to mentor the kid and add a scorer like JJ/Gay and you have a playoff team.

 
The Thunder aren't possibly keeping all these picks, right? Any wild speculation about what they'll do? Swapping with Indy to get to 10 got any legs?

 
Why? If you would rather have cap room than Bynum you are crazy. No one wants to go to Toronto and Bynum is a perfect player for them. Sure its a risk with his knee, but its worth it for a franchise who can only improve via trades and draft.
:lmao: If he's so good why are you in such a hurry to get rid of him?
Willing to trade Bynum for Bosh does not = "hurry to get rid of him".There is a reason he's the #1 target on Toronto's sign and trade list.
 
Why? If you would rather have cap room than Bynum you are crazy. No one wants to go to Toronto and Bynum is a perfect player for them. Sure its a risk with his knee, but its worth it for a franchise who can only improve via trades and draft.
:confused: If he's so good why are you in such a hurry to get rid of him?
Willing to trade Bynum for Bosh does not = "hurry to get rid of him".There is a reason he's the #1 target on Toronto's sign and trade list.
Link?
 
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According to a source, the Knicks are making plans to host an elaborate meal and meeting with James in a high-end location in Manhattan during the afternoon and evening of July 1, which is next Thursday. The tentative plan is for Knicks management and officials to host James and his various agents and friends for a large dinner party catered by a celebrity chef.

The Knicks are currently scouring the city for an available high-rise condo or apartment with a great view to rent for the event, the source said.
 
Ms. Celph netted herself a huge bonus this year, and as such I might not be able to make it to one of my favorite FFA events tonight as we might be out celebrating (haven't finalized dinner plans yet). I'll miss you guys. :goodposting:
What could be more romantic than sitting down together with some nice wine, and watching overpaid kids on TV?: (
 
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According to a source, the Knicks are making plans to host an elaborate meal and meeting with James in a high-end location in Manhattan during the afternoon and evening of July 1, which is next Thursday. The tentative plan is for Knicks management and officials to host James and his various agents and friends for a large dinner party catered by a celebrity chef.

The Knicks are currently scouring the city for an available high-rise condo or apartment with a great view to rent for the event, the source said.
this should not be a problem. if this report is to be believed then the knicks are rank amateurs.
 
Ms. Celph netted herself a huge bonus this year, and as such I might not be able to make it to one of my favorite FFA events tonight as we might be out celebrating (haven't finalized dinner plans yet). I'll miss you guys. :goodposting:
Just let us know what would be the most disappointing draft outcome possible and we'll ##### and moan for you here when it happens. Maybe Brittney Spears can fill in for you since he's a man without a team.
I can rail on Stephen Curry, no problem!I was picking the Wolves since I think it's a safe time to get aboard and not be called a bandwagonner. I think this logic applies to the Warriors as well.
 
Why? If you would rather have cap room than Bynum you are crazy. No one wants to go to Toronto and Bynum is a perfect player for them. Sure its a risk with his knee, but its worth it for a franchise who can only improve via trades and draft.
:goodposting: If he's so good why are you in such a hurry to get rid of him?
Willing to trade Bynum for Bosh does not = "hurry to get rid of him".There is a reason he's the #1 target on Toronto's sign and trade list.
Willing to trade Bynum for Bosh? Willing? As in willing to trade Kwame Brown for Pau? Hilarious
 
Can someone explain to me why Jordan Crawford is going in the late 20's in most mock drafts? He was fantastic offensively for Xavier, and really played out of this world in the tourney, and at 6'4.5 he has adequate size for a shooting guard. What is it that's keeping him from being a lottery pick?

 
Britney Spears said:
Gr00vus said:
Celph Titled said:
Ms. Celph netted herself a huge bonus this year, and as such I might not be able to make it to one of my favorite FFA events tonight as we might be out celebrating (haven't finalized dinner plans yet). I'll miss you guys. :shrug:
Just let us know what would be the most disappointing draft outcome possible and we'll ##### and moan for you here when it happens. Maybe Brittney Spears can fill in for you since he's a man without a team.
I can rail on Stephen Curry, no problem!I was picking the Wolves since I think it's a safe time to get aboard and not be called a bandwagonner. I think this logic applies to the Warriors as well.
The water's warm, come on in.I don't really have a strong lean betw. Monroe and Udoh. Obviously GS needs interior defense badly, but Udoh's got some big ?'s. Cousins somehow falling would be ideal, because #### it, the franchise is a mess anyway. Might as well swing for the fences with him not completely losing his mind.
 
Walton Goggins said:
tommyGunZ said:
Was Houston even on the list Bosh gave Toronto for S&T possibilities?
There was no list or at least it was reported after a list was given that then a list was not given.
Missed this before...ya I'm not sure there was a "list". Didn't Bosh say today on M&M that he'd take a S&T to Cleveland? Cavs weren't on that "list". Bosh will go where somebody else goes.
 
I don't really have a strong lean betw. Monroe and Udoh. Obviously GS needs interior defense badly, but Udoh's got some big ?'s. Cousins somehow falling would be ideal, because #### it, the franchise is a mess anyway. Might as well swing for the fences with him not completely losing his mind.
i actually like udoh for the Warriors. he gives them some toughness and perhaps a willingness to do the dirty work on the interior. they don't need scoring per se but they do need some balance. monroe is talented but he's a weird fit for that team. udoh's athleticism is a big plus. he may be unpolished and a bit of one year wonder but nellie could do things with him.
 
Brit, if you're not going to go with OK City, I'd go with the Dubs. You're close and will prolly be in SF several time over the next decade. They're west coast. And they've got some young pieces that will be fun to watch develop.

Minny is just a ####### wasteland. You'll never, ever, ever never be able to see them in person, and they're never on TV. Unless you're from Minny, I don't know why anyone would sign with the Wolves as a FA fan.

 
saintfool said:
Bobcat10 said:
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According to a source, the Knicks are making plans to host an elaborate meal and meeting with James in a high-end location in Manhattan during the afternoon and evening of July 1, which is next Thursday. The tentative plan is for Knicks management and officials to host James and his various agents and friends for a large dinner party catered by a celebrity chef.

The Knicks are currently scouring the city for an available high-rise condo or apartment with a great view to rent for the event, the source said.
this should not be a problem. if this report is to be believed then the knicks are rank amateurs.
No kidding. They've only had this plan for over 2 years. So it takes until right now for them to suddenly realize "maybe we can really impress them if we have our meeting in a condo or apartment with a great view!"
 
Brit, if you're not going to go with OK City, I'd go with the Dubs. You're close and will prolly be in SF several time over the next decade. They're west coast. And they've got some young pieces that will be fun to watch develop.Minny is just a ####### wasteland. You'll never, ever, ever never be able to see them in person, and they're never on TV. Unless you're from Minny, I don't know why anyone would sign with the Wolves as a FA fan.
they won't get any better with kurt rambis at the helm either.
 
Brit, if you're not going to go with OK City, I'd go with the Dubs. You're close and will prolly be in SF several time over the next decade. They're west coast. And they've got some young pieces that will be fun to watch develop.Minny is just a ####### wasteland. You'll never, ever, ever never be able to see them in person, and they're never on TV. Unless you're from Minny, I don't know why anyone would sign with the Wolves as a FA fan.
Do you ever regret bandwagoning a team that does well, instead of an up-and-coming team? It would be more satisfying when they won.
 
FatMax said:
Britney Spears said:
I was picking the Wolves since I think it's a safe time to get aboard and not be called a bandwagonner. I think this logic applies to the Warriors as well.
Sacramento sucks, and they're closer, geographically speaking. Just sayin'.
Yeah we have some room. Don't miss the boat though with Evans, a good pick this year and free agent next year. We are looking at a winning season. :confused:
 
Brit, if you're not going to go with OK City, I'd go with the Dubs. You're close and will prolly be in SF several time over the next decade. They're west coast. And they've got some young pieces that will be fun to watch develop.Minny is just a ####### wasteland. You'll never, ever, ever never be able to see them in person, and they're never on TV. Unless you're from Minny, I don't know why anyone would sign with the Wolves as a FA fan.
Do you ever regret bandwagoning a team that does well, instead of an up-and-coming team? It would be more satisfying when they won.
Do I regret a decision I made when I was 6 or 7 years old? Not really.
 

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