Gr00vus
Footballguy
By the way, has anyone mentioned that the Boozer to Chicago deal is actually going to be a sign and trade in which the Bulls get Boozer and a conditional 2nd, with the Jazz getting a 13 million dollar trade exception?
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Gr00vus
Footballguy
The Knicks get 2nd rounder Jordan from the Bucks for cash. Screw James, Jordan to the Knicks - it's all going down like clockwork!
No. 16
Footballguy
Wow great move by the Jazz. Not sure why the Bulls would agree to it other than to keep good rapport in future trade talks. 13 million dollar trade exception > conditional 2nd rounder, IMO.
He's not going to Miami.Cle 60%NY 20%Chi 20%
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Why not? Jazz are in the West and they get a pick.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
And I'd probably struggle to predict the 9 losses (knowing full well they'd end up losing inexplicably to bottom feeders a couple of times - it always happens). At worst they'd split with the other top teams - Orlando, Boston, L.A., Chicago. After that who would they lose to? Maybe Dallas? OKC? Denver?I don't have the FA spreadsheet handy, but just for fun someone should just cut and paste the bottom 9 or 10 guys onto the Heat roster and see what it'd look like.
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No. 16
Footballguy
The Bulls are competing with the entire league for one NBA championship. Giving the Jazz a 13 million dollar trade exception puts players like Monta Ellis, Igoudala, Manu, Deng, Prince, Garnger, Gerald Wallace, and Biedrins within reach.
Would you trade any of those players straight up for a 2nd rounder?
creeps1313
Footballguy
I sure hope its Clevland or the Knicks...but...
Yahoo sports just posted a report that... according to US Weekly, LeBron James has rented six cabanas at the W Hotel South Beach this weekend to celebrate his team decision, two sources confirm to UsMagazine.com.
That adds more fuel to the fire that James, 25, will announce he's joining the Miami Heat Thursday night, as several insiders told ESPN this morning.
I dont blame him for wanting to play in South Beach...but I think its going to hurt his image more than help.
Yahoo sports just posted a report that... according to US Weekly, LeBron James has rented six cabanas at the W Hotel South Beach this weekend to celebrate his team decision, two sources confirm to UsMagazine.com.
That adds more fuel to the fire that James, 25, will announce he's joining the Miami Heat Thursday night, as several insiders told ESPN this morning.
I dont blame him for wanting to play in South Beach...but I think its going to hurt his image more than help.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
You might want to remove Deng from your scenario - think about it.I don't see the Jazz challenging for a championship this year even if they added one of those guys.
shake zula
Footballguy
Up to this very moment I thought Miami was a lock. But this leak makes me think he's just toying with everyone. I have it back to Cleveland 75%, but praying hard for Miami.
No. 16
Footballguy
I agree but you still are giving the Jazz an avenue to improve their team that otherwise would not exist without your cooperation.
timschochet
Footballguy
I agree. Why not? I can't believe some people are actually arguing LeBron would have a better shot at a championship with the Bulls. Sure, he'd have a good shot with them and I actually predicted he'd go there. But better than going with Wade and Bosh? Are you kidding me?
We can tell.But it's not happening...
5Rings
Lurker
Turiaf is my boy. Wish W's could have kept him.
The argument is that the depth of the Bulls will be far superior than that of the Heat. Nobody (at least I hope) is arguing that Boozer/Rose > Bosh/Wade. But if LeBron doesn't go to Miami, most everyone thinks that the Bulls > Heat.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Another fun rumor:
From Jalen Rose: "Sources tell me that Jay-Z just purchased 2 courtside tickets to the Miami Heat home games this season..(hmmm)"
From Jalen Rose: "Sources tell me that Jay-Z just purchased 2 courtside tickets to the Miami Heat home games this season..(hmmm)"
Gr00vus
Footballguy
That's kind of the nature of trading isn't it? So your real question is, what did the Bulls get out of it? Besides the 2nd round pick, maybe they'll negotiate a bigger deal with Boozer, maybe Boozer just wanted to leave the Jazz with something in appreciation of his time there (
). 
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Don't sweat it FBF, I quote you as a source all the time. Of course I don't have a twitter account. Or anything remotely like a media job. Usually I'm just talking to myself when I cite you actually...
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Why would the Bulls care if Danny Granger, for example, plays for Utah or Indiana?
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
That's kind of the nature of trading isn't it? So your real question is, what did the Bulls get out of it? Besides the 2nd round pick, maybe they'll negotiate a bigger deal with Boozer, maybe Boozer just wanted to leave the Jazz with something in appreciation of his time there (
Carlos Boozer, the consummate gentleman.
scoobygang
Footballguy
I think there are other aspects to the argument. That Rose and Noah would be more comfortable being second bananas than Wade and Bosh. I don't buy it with Rose. That Rose and Noah deliver more complimentary talents by having a ball handler and a rebounder/defender. Again, I'm not sure I buy it much.
No. 16
Footballguy
Just figure you'd want to prevent other teams from getting better also. They could sign Boozer without helping the Jazz get better. I guess the Bulls thought a 2nd rounder was worth it.... I don't. Oh well.
timschochet
Footballguy
I thought it was Dallas toward the end of last year and I was really surprised when the Spurs beat them. I still think Dallas is avery good team.Denver is very good too but it's like there's something mentally missing there...
Abraham
Footballguy
I realize no one other then goggins will agree, but houston was.500 last season without their best player. If two returns and patterson is as pro ready as he should be, they wil be very good.
Celph Titled
Footballguy
Chad Ford twitter:
Gr00vus
Footballguy
They're an interesting team for sure. I guess the Bobcats are trying to sign Scola, but the Rockets owner has "vowed" to keep Scola in town. They need a consistent perimeter performer (along with a full season from Yao).
Celph Titled
Footballguy
Preventing attendance from tanking is probably reason enough. A good white player in Arizona is like gold.
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Gr00vus
Footballguy
Perennial teases. They shouldn't have anywhere near as many injuries, but what's going to put them up at the top? Big improvement from Batum?
Abraham
Footballguy
Martin, budge, and ariza are going to be very good, imo.
scoobygang
Footballguy
Closer to his Vancouver Whitecaps, though.You make a compelling argument.Portland doesn't have a big safety school like ASU nearby to provide Nash with off-court talent, too. He might refuse to report if traded up there.
Max Power
Footballguy
CNBC is reporting that contrary to earlier reports, LeBron James is not expected to make his announcement within the first 15 minutes of Thursday's 'The Decision' show.
Not too shocking, and actually makes more sense if he waits until the end of the show. In other LeBron news, Ric Bucher said on Twitter that of the seven insiders he spoke with today (GMs, agents, team officials), four said he's going to Cleveland and the other three said New York. Despite the fact ESPN has been reporting he's likely to go to Miami, not one of Bucher's sources mentioned the Heat. Jul. 8 - 5:59 pm et
Not too shocking, and actually makes more sense if he waits until the end of the show. In other LeBron news, Ric Bucher said on Twitter that of the seven insiders he spoke with today (GMs, agents, team officials), four said he's going to Cleveland and the other three said New York. Despite the fact ESPN has been reporting he's likely to go to Miami, not one of Bucher's sources mentioned the Heat. Jul. 8 - 5:59 pm et
FatMax
Member
Yeah, seeing your leader fight cancer does that to a team.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
So apparently LeBron, Wade, Bosh, and Paul started talking about playing together during the Olympics. I wonder why nobody said, "hey, I'm going to the Lakers to play with Kobe"
FatMax
Member
You forgot the Kings. They're super stealthy.
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
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Masked Vigilante
Footballguy
There is a crowd forming outside the Boys and Girls club for the big announcement 
Masked Vigilante
Footballguy
They are scared of Kobe.
Mr. PadresLakers
Footballguy
amphibianbri
Footballguy
Might actually be true in some way. Kobe reminds me of MJ, who would whip your hind side during practice if you weren't busting it. Kobe has that drive that none of those other guys (except maybe Wade) has. They will all have fun taking pictures of each other out of huddle and having their groupies around while Kobe wins yet another title. Unless some really good FA's decide to play for less, if you look at the Heat and Lakers, the Lakers match up well at least I think
Wade - KobeLeBron - ArtestBosh - GasolC - BynumThe Lakers still have Odom coming off the bench. I know Artest isn't of LeBron's scoring, but that guy can D people up. What other matchup would the Heat have any kind of advantage?
Walton Goggins
Footballguy
Think about this, no All-Star played for the Rockets last year and OK/Port/SA won only 8 more games. This is also a team that had a major shake up in their roster which led to their brief losing streak. IF (HUGE IF here) Yao can play limited minutes and the players gell another year while they won't be favored in the West they should at least be a playoff team where anything can happen. They have multiple picks which they can parley next year or use. We'll see.
Masked Vigilante
Footballguy
The Heat would get killed on the boards.Might actually be true in some way. Kobe reminds me of MJ, who would whip your hind side during practice if you weren't busting it. Kobe has that drive that none of those other guys (except maybe Wade) has. They will all have fun taking pictures of each other out of huddle and having their groupies around while Kobe wins yet another title. Unless some really good FA's decide to play for less, if you look at the Heat and Lakers, the Lakers match up well at least I think
Walton Goggins
Footballguy
Anything can happen tonight but to hold an hour show on where he's going to go, I can't see how it will be anywhere but staying in Cleveland.
Mr. PadresLakers
Footballguy
Does Ben Wallace have anything left in the tank?
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