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saintfool
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Abraham
Footballguy
Calderon to replace Felton is a good move. He needs a change of scenery but can definitely run the point. I like this move for Charlotte.Chandler/Diaw = Yawn. Chandler is in a contract year so he'll probably be productive I guess.
Gr00vus
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Mr. PadresLakers
Footballguy
saintfool
Dead sexy
who is going to run the point? barbosa? jack? that's a lot of faith players that haven't proven themselves as full-time starters.
Notorious T.R.E.
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Maybe this means they have a deal in place for Turkoglu?Edit: Nevermind...I should have read ahead.
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saintfool
Dead sexy
you must not be familiar with robert sarver's work....?
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Turk is going to the Suns for Barbosa.
Notorious T.R.E.
Showdown!™ Administrator
I think they're pretty high on Jack.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
So Raptors now have Diaw, Chandler, Bargniani, Amir Johnson, and Ed Davis in the post? Seems like a lot of overkill. And they just signed Kleiza to an offer sheet.
Abraham
Footballguy
Very nice signing for the Magic. Now, when Carter mails it in they have someone to put in in his place who can score some points. The Magic aren't going to be nearly as easy to beat as Miami fans may think.
saintfool
Dead sexy
they better be because giving barbosa starter minutes is a terrible idea.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
It isn't pretty but at least the Raptors got out of two long term deals. Chandler will be gone at the end of the year, if not sooner. Diaw and Barbosa both come off the books after 11/12. Getting rid of Turkoglu is addition by subtraction... they would have given him away for nothing so it is basically, Calderon for Diaw, Chandler and Barbosa. Adds some depth... I guess. Raptors will be bottom feeders this year (shocking) but they've cleared up the PG situation and got rid of a cancer.
Notorious T.R.E.
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Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
And Reggie Evans. I'd expect some more movement before the summer is done.
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Walton Goggins
Footballguy
Believe Tyson Chandler comes off the books after this season.
Kev4029
Footballguy
Kleiza is a small forward. Even with bringing in the terrible contract of diaw and the slight over payment of kleiza, these guys are making out of this off season alright. Dumping hedos contract seemed impossible, and being that they demoted calderon to 2nd string, dumping his contract was a good step too. They should have a much improved defense next year, diaw chandler davis are all plus defenders and the move of bargnani to pf should help a bunch too.
Celph Titled
Footballguy
According to No. 16, Richardson is a better value than Rudy Gay.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
So does that indicate they may not match the Bulls offer to Reddick?
Notorious T.R.E.
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Is this the starting lineup right now?PG: J. Jack (Marcus Banks)SG: Derozan (Barbosa, Belinelli)SF: Diaw (Weems)PF: Bargnani (Amir, Ed Davis, Evans)C: Chandler (Alabi, Dorsey)Edit: Maybe Kleiza starts over Diaw if they get him?
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TommyGilmore
Footballguy
I like Jarrett Jack but I think he has peaked as a player. He's the kind of guy that you absolutely love as a 6th man.....but if he's your starter then you're always going to be looking for a better option.
Abraham
Footballguy
I hadn't thought of that, but yes.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Jack/Barbosa/Banks
Weems/Derozan/Bellineli
Kleiza/Diaw/Dorsey
Bargnani/Davis/Evans/Dorsey
Johnson/Chandler/Alabi
Weems/Derozan/Bellineli
Kleiza/Diaw/Dorsey
Bargnani/Davis/Evans/Dorsey
Johnson/Chandler/Alabi
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Weems will share the SG time with Derozan. Barbosa will play backup at the point and probably sometime at the 2.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
That doesn't look like a good team to me.
Notorious T.R.E.
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Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
He was playing great at the end of last year. I'm guessing they'll start Derozan but the minutes will be pretty even.
saintfool
Dead sexy
absolutely agree. while i don't think calderon was elite talent, i also don't think he was a part of the problem there. he was going to be less effective with bosh gone.all of this said, they're still a much better team than phoenix.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I'm vowing right now (time permitting) to watch at least 4 non-Laker regular season Clipper games this season. I'd prefer to watch Bucks games (been my 2nd favorite NBA squad since they had Marques Johnson but lost interest after they shipped Ray Allen out), but I'm not springing for the NBA package just to see Bucks games. Does TNT/ESPN ever play Bucks games during the regular season?
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FatMax
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Yeah, but thanks to Richardson's blistering .431 FG% last year, his career average is now up to .400 even.According to No. 16, Richardson is a better value than Rudy Gay.
Celph Titled
Footballguy
Good shot at being in the bottom 5, IMO.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Calderon was great on the offensive end... but an absolute embarrassment on the defensive end.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
I'm guessing around 30-35 wins.Good shot at being in the bottom 5, IMO.
saintfool
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who are your worst five going into next year?
Celph Titled
Footballguy
In no particular order: Cleveland, Minnesota, Toronto, Detroit and Golden State.
FatMax
Member
Glad to see Sacramento isn't circling the drain this year. Whatever you do, don't expand your list to seven, however.
Celph Titled
Footballguy
Yeah, they're in my next cut with LA and NJ and Philly.
hxperson
Footballguy
I'm guessing around 30-35 wins.Good shot at being in the bottom 5, IMO.
I'm desperately hoping management does the right thing and allows this team to stink for the next 2-3 years. The team has absolutely no chance of ever putting a contender on the floor with their current personel and a steady stream of draft picks in the 8-12 range. However, knowing the incompetence that is MLSE, they will probably fail in this regard as well (i.e. Leafs in 2009).
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Unfortunately, it isn't MLSe's fault this time. They've given Colangelo full control. The Leafs embarassing level of incompetence is definitely MLSE's fault though. I agree. Blow it up for a few years and get some picks.ETA: I really hope they don't start giving away 1st round picks (2nd overall!!!!) like the Leafs.
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Mr. PadresLakers
Footballguy
Looking less and less likely Heat will be able to get Miller AND Haslem.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I know nobody cares, but that's kind of a bittersweet deal for the Bobcats (the playoff team in the deal).
I'll really miss Diaw and I would've thought that Chandler's expiring contract would've been more valuable than that. Chandler, the player, is pretty worthless, but when he's on the court, at least it's a big body to do some fouling. This deal leaves a team that's thin in the frontcourt even thinner.
Getting Calderon is exciting and necessary, but it felt like we gave up alot. Diaw's a good player and Chandler's contract has alot of value.
I'll really miss Diaw and I would've thought that Chandler's expiring contract would've been more valuable than that. Chandler, the player, is pretty worthless, but when he's on the court, at least it's a big body to do some fouling. This deal leaves a team that's thin in the frontcourt even thinner.
Getting Calderon is exciting and necessary, but it felt like we gave up alot. Diaw's a good player and Chandler's contract has alot of value.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I'd love to see Haslem go to the Nuggets.
timschochet
Footballguy
You're not buying into the Clippers' hype? An awful lot of people this is going to be a pretty good team, based mainly on a guy nobody has yet seen play, and continued improved performances by Chris Kamen.
FatMax
Member
You can't make a case for the Clips being good without saying the word 'if' at least four times.
saintfool
Dead sexy
charlotte got a lot smaller along the frontline with chandler and diaw's departure, right? they re-signed tyrus thomas but who is left?C - ajinca/diop/mohammedPF - thomas/wallaceSF - wallace/hendersonSG - sjax/hendersonPG - calderon/augustinthey need some guys to fill out the roster.
saintfool
Dead sexy
getting rid of dunleavy is a good thing. they still are going to rise and fall at the hands of baron davis. if they can find a way to get some leadership out of him then they're going to be pretty good.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
I'm really starting to wonder who they're going to end up with.
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