*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (4 Viewers)

[whitem0nkey]

I dont know where to put this so ill drop it here

TheReal_TMAC i would have been a bull on draft day in '97....krause was moving up to get me but bulls would have to part with pipp...mj killed deal....

 

[bosoxs45]

Chris Paul, according to Ken Berger of CBS, hopes to have played his last game for the Hornets and has set into motion a plan to be traded by the start of the upcoming season.His teams of choice are said to be the Knicks, Lakers and Magic, and people close to him have said he has played his last game for the Hornets. A trade to the Lakers would be disastrous for Paul's fantasy value, while a move to the Magic is probably not ideal, either. But if Paul could land in New York this fall, he oould have one of the biggest fantasy seasons we've ever seen from a point guard. Paul recently signed with LeBron James' marketing company, LRMR, which also fuels speculation that he will fight his way out of New Orleans, despite having two years left on his contract. Stay tuned. Jul. 21 - 8:22 pm et

per CBS

 

[Celph Titled]

Lee only out for 4-6. Bullet dodged. It's a new day!

 

[Premier]

I don't know what any team could have to offer Orleans for Paul. There's just no fair deal.

 

[Abraham]

I don't know what any team could have to offer Orleans for Paul. There's just no fair deal.

Rockets have plenty to offer.

 

[Premier]

I don't know what any team could have to offer Orleans for Paul. There's just no fair deal.

Rockets have plenty to offer.

Not really they don't. I mean, the Magic have plenty of role players to offer as well, but I doubt that gets the job done. And aren't the Rockets-Hornets in the same division? If they do trade CP, I kind of doubt it will be to a team in the West.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I don't know where this belongs but on pros v joes right now mcnabb, to, and gates are currently beating Kenny smith, Rick fox, and Hakeem in 3-on-3.

 

[Balco]

I don't know what any team could have to offer Orleans for Paul. There's just no fair deal.

I do think they need to move quickly if possible. Paul is not happy, and if they let this get ugly, they lose trade leverage. Just took a look at their roster. Oof.THe good news is Peja's contract is off the books after this season. I would say in order to trade Paul, the Hornets need to get a young, all star quality big man (either a PF/C) and another solid player.PG: Darren CollisonSG: Marcus THorntonSF: David WestPF: Emeka OkaforC: ????

 

[whitem0nkey]

Derrick Rose "I'm never leaving Chicago." few seconds later. "Never."

D-Rose and Durant aren't like many athletes and its refreshing.

 

[Premier]

I imagine the Hornets will be trying to attach Okafor's crappy ### four-year contract to any Paul deals.

Carter and Jameer for Paul and Okafor work for cap purposes. But again, I highly doubt that gets anything done.

 

[Balco]

I imagine the Hornets will be trying to attach Okafor's crappy ### four-year contract to any Paul deals.Carter and Jameer for Paul and Okafor work for cap purposes. But again, I highly doubt that gets anything done.

Carter works in that deal, but Jameer is not nearly enough, IMO. Carter is in the last year of his deal, right?

 

[Balco]

I imagine the Hornets will be trying to attach Okafor's crappy ### four-year contract to any Paul deals.Carter and Jameer for Paul and Okafor work for cap purposes. But again, I highly doubt that gets anything done.

Nets make sense after this season, and could take on Okafor's contract. Derrick Favors, Devin Harris, and Courtney Lee?Would give themChris PaulTerrence WilliamsTravis OutlawEmeke OkaforBrook Lopez

 

[Kev4029]

The nuggets could be a dark horse here, with this melo/paul relationship maybe melo and paul could push their respective managements into a trade. If I were the hornets I would tell him to #### off and play unless somebody offers a ridiculous package of players and picks.

 

[Premier]

I imagine the Hornets will be trying to attach Okafor's crappy ### four-year contract to any Paul deals.Carter and Jameer for Paul and Okafor work for cap purposes. But again, I highly doubt that gets anything done.

Carter works in that deal, but Jameer is not nearly enough, IMO. Carter is in the last year of his deal, right?

VC has a team option that will obviously be declined. Jameer is not enough, I agree. The Hornets could take Gortat on who is young, pretty good and signed fairly cheap. The Nets are probably a non-starter for Paul. He's not going to go there.

 

[Balco]

I imagine the Hornets will be trying to attach Okafor's crappy ### four-year contract to any Paul deals.Carter and Jameer for Paul and Okafor work for cap purposes. But again, I highly doubt that gets anything done.

Carter works in that deal, but Jameer is not nearly enough, IMO. Carter is in the last year of his deal, right?

VC has a team option that will obviously be declined. Jameer is not enough, I agree. The Hornets could take Gortat on who is young, pretty good and signed fairly cheap. The Nets are probably a non-starter for Paul. He's not going to go there.

When you mentioned the Magic I immediately thought of Gortat. Especially if they get rid of Okafor.I think if the Nets were in their new arena in Brooklyn, they would have a chance. But that is in 2 years, so I agree, not much of a chance.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

I imagine the Hornets will be trying to attach Okafor's crappy ### four-year contract to any Paul deals.Carter and Jameer for Paul and Okafor work for cap purposes. But again, I highly doubt that gets anything done.

Blazers can offer Andre Miller, Joel Przybilla's expiring contract, and either Rudy Fernandez or Nicolas Batum. If the Hornets insisted on including Okafor, then the Blazers could give them Aldridge -- but I'm not sure if Portland would want to go that far.

 

[JMon348]

at Paul including the Lakers on his list.

Every player thats a FA or wants to get traded puts the Lakers on their list to drive up their price. Agents are very smart.

 

[Mr. PadresLakers]

Its not managements fault you only played in 45 games last year Chris. When is the last time a player demanded a trade after missing half the season with injury?

 

[Eephus]

Derrick Rose "I'm never leaving Chicago." few seconds later. "Never."

D-Rose and Durant aren't like many athletes and its refreshing.

Never say never

 

[Kev4029]

I imagine the Hornets will be trying to attach Okafor's crappy ### four-year contract to any Paul deals.Carter and Jameer for Paul and Okafor work for cap purposes. But again, I highly doubt that gets anything done.

Blazers can offer Andre Miller, Joel Przybilla's expiring contract, and either Rudy Fernandez or Nicolas Batum. If the Hornets insisted on including Okafor, then the Blazers could give them Aldridge -- but I'm not sure if Portland would want to go that far.

Haha, of course the blazers would take miller, pryzbilla, fernandez/batum and aldridge for paul. Paul and new orleans would both laugh in their face though. Aldridge and okafor are similar talents on similar contracts, no reason for that to be part of the trade, plus aldridge and west are amazing similar in skill sets.

 

[Kev4029]

Its not managements fault you only played in 45 games last year Chris. When is the last time a player demanded a trade after missing half the season with injury?

What does that have to do with anything? Paul is one of the best few talents in the nba, I don't think there is going to be a lack of a market for him.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

I imagine the Hornets will be trying to attach Okafor's crappy ### four-year contract to any Paul deals.Carter and Jameer for Paul and Okafor work for cap purposes. But again, I highly doubt that gets anything done.

Blazers can offer Andre Miller, Joel Przybilla's expiring contract, and either Rudy Fernandez or Nicolas Batum. If the Hornets insisted on including Okafor, then the Blazers could give them Aldridge -- but I'm not sure if Portland would want to go that far.

Haha, of course the blazers would take miller, pryzbilla, fernandez/batum and aldridge for paul. Paul and new orleans would both laugh in their face though.

New Orleans won't get a better offer than Aldridge/Batum/Miller for Paul/Okafor.

 

[Mr. PadresLakers]

Its not managements fault you only played in 45 games last year Chris. When is the last time a player demanded a trade after missing half the season with injury?

What does that have to do with anything? Paul is one of the best few talents in the nba, I don't think there is going to be a lack of a market for him.

Its a ##### move. I didn't say anything about his trade value.

 

[whitem0nkey]

Derrick Rose "I'm never leaving Chicago." few seconds later. "Never."

D-Rose and Durant aren't like many athletes and its refreshing.

Never say never

well if he never wins a ring with da bulls and he is 32(ish) I have no problem with him being a ring chaser on the decline of his career and going elsewhere to team up with a super team. that said I think Derrick is actually being genuine and unlike Cleveland, Chicago knows how to hang on to their super stars.

 

[whitem0nkey]

Derrick Rose "I'm never leaving Chicago." few seconds later. "Never."

D-Rose and Durant aren't like many athletes and its refreshing.

Never say never

Way to kill your leverage in your next contract negotiation, D-Rose.

That is a thing that comes to mind, and I'm not dismissing that it will hurt negotiations but Reinsdorf has extremely high value in loyalty. I have seen him do it with the sox and the bulls players. if your loyal he will be loyal to you forever.

 

[Kev4029]

I imagine the Hornets will be trying to attach Okafor's crappy ### four-year contract to any Paul deals.Carter and Jameer for Paul and Okafor work for cap purposes. But again, I highly doubt that gets anything done.

Blazers can offer Andre Miller, Joel Przybilla's expiring contract, and either Rudy Fernandez or Nicolas Batum. If the Hornets insisted on including Okafor, then the Blazers could give them Aldridge -- but I'm not sure if Portland would want to go that far.

Haha, of course the blazers would take miller, pryzbilla, fernandez/batum and aldridge for paul. Paul and new orleans would both laugh in their face though.

New Orleans won't get a better offer than Aldridge/Batum/Miller for Paul/Okafor.

I like batum more than most, and I think he is a real player, but miller would likely be a backup pg and aldridge could not play at the same time as david west and david west is the better player so aldridge would be a backup also. If you are the hornets you are trying to get younger and cheaper with trading paul, not older and more expensive. I don't see how new york, orlando or the lakers could make a play for him either though, I expect him to go somewhere else.

 

[Sammy3469]

I imagine the Hornets will be trying to attach Okafor's crappy ### four-year contract to any Paul deals.Carter and Jameer for Paul and Okafor work for cap purposes. But again, I highly doubt that gets anything done.

Blazers can offer Andre Miller, Joel Przybilla's expiring contract, and either Rudy Fernandez or Nicolas Batum. If the Hornets insisted on including Okafor, then the Blazers could give them Aldridge -- but I'm not sure if Portland would want to go that far.

Haha, of course the blazers would take miller, pryzbilla, fernandez/batum and aldridge for paul. Paul and new orleans would both laugh in their face though.

New Orleans won't get a better offer than Aldridge/Batum/Miller for Paul/Okafor.

I like batum more than most, and I think he is a real player, but miller would likely be a backup pg and aldridge could not play at the same time as david west and david west is the better player so aldridge would be a backup also. If you are the hornets you are trying to get younger and cheaper with trading paul, not older and more expensive. I don't see how new york, orlando or the lakers could make a play for him either though, I expect him to go somewhere else.

If its just for Paul straight up the Knicks can offer something like Curry and then a bunch of young inexpensive parts. The Knicks are done as an option though if the Hornets want make someone also take Okafor (which they should).

 

[Masked Vigilante]

I don't know what any team could have to offer Orleans for Paul. There's just no fair deal.

Paul is the best of the young PG in the game. No deal involving him would really be "fair" for the Hornets.

 

[Bobcat10]

Derrick Rose "I'm never leaving Chicago." few seconds later. "Never."

D-Rose and Durant aren't like many athletes and its refreshing.

So you believe him? That's nice.

 

[Masked Vigilante]

Trades that work salary wise (according to RealGM's trade checker). The Hornets will get hosed value wise.

Odom/Bynum for Paul/Okafor

Vince Carter for Paul

Curry/Gali for Paul

 

[Bobcat10]

Derrick Rose "I'm never leaving Chicago." few seconds later. "Never."

D-Rose and Durant aren't like many athletes and its refreshing.

Never say never

well if he never wins a ring with da bulls and he is 32(ish) I have no problem with him being a ring chaser on the decline of his career and going elsewhere to team up with a super team. that said I think Derrick is actually being genuine and unlike Cleveland, Chicago knows how to hang on to their super stars.

:lame:

 

[Walton Goggins]

If its just for Paul straight up the Knicks can offer something like Curry and then a bunch of young inexpensive parts. The Knicks are done as an option though if the Hornets want make someone also take Okafor (which they should).

If that's the offer then Rockets could do better. They have parts to trade back plus players whose contracts are about to expire and multiple 1st round picks.ETA: I am pretty sure Okafor is part of the package if they deal Paul

 

[gmbacm]

Derrick Rose "I'm never leaving Chicago." few seconds later. "Never."

D-Rose and Durant aren't like many athletes and its refreshing.

Never say never

well if he never wins a ring with da bulls and he is 32(ish) I have no problem with him being a ring chaser on the decline of his career and going elsewhere to team up with a super team. that said I think Derrick is actually being genuine and unlike Cleveland, Chicago knows how to hang on to their super stars.

:lame:

he's got a point. Its not like the greatest superstar in Chicago sports history decided to play for another team in the same conference...

 

[Masked Vigilante]

If its just for Paul straight up the Knicks can offer something like Curry and then a bunch of young inexpensive parts. The Knicks are done as an option though if the Hornets want make someone also take Okafor (which they should).

If that's the offer then Rockets could do better. They have parts to trade back plus players whose contracts are about to expire and multiple 1st round picks.ETA: I am pretty sure Okafor is part of the package if they deal Paul

Sounds like Paul wants to play with another superstar or two. Houston doesn't really have that.

 

[Sammy3469]

If its just for Paul straight up the Knicks can offer something like Curry and then a bunch of young inexpensive parts. The Knicks are done as an option though if the Hornets want make someone also take Okafor (which they should).

If that's the offer then Rockets could do better. They have parts to trade back plus players whose contracts are about to expire and multiple 1st round picks.ETA: I am pretty sure Okafor is part of the package if they deal Paul

Please tell me the package that they could offer that would be attractive at all to NO. I'll hang up and listen.

 

[Balco]

Trades that work salary wise (according to RealGM's trade checker). The Hornets will get hosed value wise. Odom/Bynum for Paul/OkaforVince Carter for PaulCurry/Gali for Paul

Those are horrific trades.They need to get a all star quality player in exchange. Probably a big man. And some cap relief by dumping Okafor.

 

[Bobcat10]

Derrick Rose "I'm never leaving Chicago." few seconds later. "Never."

D-Rose and Durant aren't like many athletes and its refreshing.

Never say never

well if he never wins a ring with da bulls and he is 32(ish) I have no problem with him being a ring chaser on the decline of his career and going elsewhere to team up with a super team. that said I think Derrick is actually being genuine and unlike Cleveland, Chicago knows how to hang on to their super stars.

:lame:

he's got a point. Its not like the greatest superstar in Chicago sports history signed to play for another team in the same conference...

I'm not debating that. It's just he's painting Lebron as "genuine" without exactly saying it. That's a distant ways from the truth, no matter what the Cavs could or couldn't do. I guess I'm just looking at the statement differently.

 

[Abraham]

Not even looking at the money, houston could offer brooks, ariza, jeffries, and teo firsts for paul and emeka.

 

[gmbacm]

well if he never wins a ring with da bulls and he is 32(ish) I have no problem with him being a ring chaser on the decline of his career and going elsewhere to team up with a super team.

that said I think Derrick is actually being genuine and unlike Cleveland, Chicago knows how to hang on to their super stars.

:lame:

he's got a point. Its not like the greatest superstar in Chicago sports history signed to play for another team in the same conference...

I'm not debating that. It's just he's painting Lebron as "genuine" without exactly saying it. That's a distant ways from the truth, no matter what the Cavs could or couldn't do. I guess I'm just looking at the statement differently.

i think you missed the sarcasm in my post...

 

[Walton Goggins]

If its just for Paul straight up the Knicks can offer something like Curry and then a bunch of young inexpensive parts. The Knicks are done as an option though if the Hornets want make someone also take Okafor (which they should).

If that's the offer then Rockets could do better. They have parts to trade back plus players whose contracts are about to expire and multiple 1st round picks.ETA: I am pretty sure Okafor is part of the package if they deal Paul

Please tell me the package that they could offer that would be attractive at all to NO. I'll hang up and listen.

Attractive in that they could get an extra 1st round pick and player(s) whose contracts will expire soon which will give them flexibility. Rockets take Paul and Okafor and could give up pretty much a package of players back (exclude Yao and maybe KMart).If nobody can provide a star back then NO would rather get back short term contract players and extra draft picks. It's not like Ariza, Scola, Bat, and Brooks are horrid players.

 

[Sammy3469]

If its just for Paul straight up the Knicks can offer something like Curry and then a bunch of young inexpensive parts. The Knicks are done as an option though if the Hornets want make someone also take Okafor (which they should).

If that's the offer then Rockets could do better. They have parts to trade back plus players whose contracts are about to expire and multiple 1st round picks.ETA: I am pretty sure Okafor is part of the package if they deal Paul

Please tell me the package that they could offer that would be attractive at all to NO. I'll hang up and listen.

Attractive in that they could get an extra 1st round pick and player(s) whose contracts will expire soon which will give them flexibility. Rockets take Paul and Okafor and could give up pretty much a package of players back (exclude Yao and maybe KMart).If nobody can provide a star back then NO would rather get back short term contract players and extra draft picks. It's not like Ariza, Scola, Bat, and Brooks are horrid players.

Can't trade Scola...still listening and lol-ing at a package of Brooks, Ariza, and Battier for a team that would be rebuilding.

 

[Walton Goggins]

Not even looking at the money, houston could offer brooks, ariza, jeffries, and teo firsts for paul and emeka.

Also Bat's contract would be attractive since I think he's got one year left before it's off the books. Scola could also be in the trade mix.

 

[Walton Goggins]

If its just for Paul straight up the Knicks can offer something like Curry and then a bunch of young inexpensive parts. The Knicks are done as an option though if the Hornets want make someone also take Okafor (which they should).

If that's the offer then Rockets could do better. They have parts to trade back plus players whose contracts are about to expire and multiple 1st round picks.ETA: I am pretty sure Okafor is part of the package if they deal Paul

Please tell me the package that they could offer that would be attractive at all to NO. I'll hang up and listen.

Attractive in that they could get an extra 1st round pick and player(s) whose contracts will expire soon which will give them flexibility. Rockets take Paul and Okafor and could give up pretty much a package of players back (exclude Yao and maybe KMart).If nobody can provide a star back then NO would rather get back short term contract players and extra draft picks. It's not like Ariza, Scola, Bat, and Brooks are horrid players.

Can't trade Scola...still listening and lol-ing at a package of Brooks, Ariza, and Battier for a team that would be rebuilding.

As I said, extra 1st round draft picks and players whose contracts will expire soon. If you think NO is going to get back young stud building block players then you should laugh at yourself.

 

[Sammy3469]

Not even looking at the money, houston could offer brooks, ariza, jeffries, and teo firsts for paul and emeka.

Also Bat's contract would be attractive since I think he's got one year left before it's off the books. Scola could also be in the trade mix.

Might want to check that again....no FA that just signed can be traded before December.

 

[Balco]

How about Dallas?

Tyson Chandler's expiring contract, Rodrigue Beaubois (although a Collison Beaubois backcourt is ridiculously small), and Shawn Marion for Okafor and Paul?

Dallas:

Chris Paul

Caron Butler

Dirk Nowitzki

Emeka Okafor

Brandon Haywood

Bench

Jason Kidd

 

[saintfool]

Richard Jefferson back in camp with the Spurs - terms as yet undisclosed, but the implication is he traded a single year at 15 M for more years.

i'm going to guess 3 years and $19 million.

i coudn't be more wrong.4 years and $38 million; the final year has a player option for $11m.

oof.

this is some curious planning on the part of buford and pop.

 

[Abraham]

Battier and jeffries are expiring. Houston has the knicks pick next year. If the hornets want cap relief, multiple high picks and young players with reasonable contacts then houston has the best mix too offer. LAUGH if you want, but nobody is giving up a superstar for paul.

 

[thecatch]

Trades that work salary wise (according to RealGM's trade checker). The Hornets will get hosed value wise. Odom/Bynum for Paul/OkaforVince Carter for PaulCurry/Gali for Paul

I'm not sure NY would have to send Curry's contract given their cap space (unless hoopshype is missing some contracts other than Amare's). I think they could get away dumping just Turiaf for Paul. Maybe Curry and Gallinari for Paul + Okafor. The problem is I don't think they have any draft picks left to sweeten the deal with, so it'd be a pure salary dump. That may be more attractive than taking on a big money expiring contract, however, given that the Hornets would save a significant amount of money this season.

 

[pollardsvision]

Celtics could be a darkhorse in this. Unlike the rest of the teams in the mix, they can offer a great young player in return (Rondo). Because Rasheed Wallace is so unselfish, he could be an asset to get a deal done, as it's essentially a waivable contract.

 

[Walton Goggins]

Battier and jeffries are expiring. Houston has the knicks pick next year. If the hornets want cap relief, multiple high picks and young players with reasonable contacts then houston has the best mix too offer. LAUGH if you want, but nobody is giving up a superstar for paul.

True. If NO can get a superstar or young up and coming stud back then it's a no brainer. I don't see that happening so then NO has to do what makes best sense in the long run for their team. Extra draft picks and contracts that will expire sooner rather than later. I will be shocked if Morey isn't in the mix of things.