*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (11 Viewers)

[Gr00vus]

Dampier to the Heat?

If he lands there I don't see how the Heat don't win it all (probably relatively easily at that) barring significant injury - no foolin.

 

[No. 16]

Dampier to the Heat?

If he lands there I don't see how the Heat don't win it all (probably relatively easily at that) barring significant injury - no foolin.

Have you seen Dampier play or not play is a better term.

 

[the moops]

Dampier to the Heat?

If he lands there I don't see how the Heat don't win it all (probably relatively easily at that) barring significant injury - no foolin.

Have you seen Dampier play or not play is a better term.

Dampier is the exact person they need in the middle. A guy who gets rebounds, plays defense, and doesnt give a #### about scoring. He was way, way overpaid as a Maverick, but he is a capable starting center in this league. Especially for the Heat.

 

[Kev4029]

Dampier to the Heat?

If he lands there I don't see how the Heat don't win it all (probably relatively easily at that) barring significant injury - no foolin.

Have you seen Dampier play or not play is a better term.

I like him as a guy to play 15-20 minutes a game at center for a team. He defends, hes big, he rebounds and he knows his role. I don't think Dampier takes anybody to the next level, but if he does go to Miami he is a better center than anybody else on the roster especially because he doesn't need the ball and is one of the better offensive rebounders in the NBA. He is pretty darn similar to Pryzbilla and Haywood and they get pretty good pub, and both make significantly more money.

 

[JMon348]

Unreal if Damp goes to the Heat.......God ######!!!!

This might be the piece.

 

[saintfool]

dampier is a stiff. he'll give you fouls and big body in the paint. he's int he bottom 25% of centers in the nba for PER. he might bring some toughness to the heat but certainly not much more.

 

[Kev4029]

dampier is a stiff. he'll give you fouls and big body in the paint. he's int he bottom 25% of centers in the nba for PER. he might bring some toughness to the heat but certainly not much more.

32/59 for the guys who qualified, but PER is VERY dependent on usage and he was 51st in usage but he converts at a high percentage, rebounds well, blocks shots and doesn't have bricks for hands so he can do a little with the ball in his hands. Its a good fit to play with Miami where all he would be required to do is rebound, especially offensively, and defend. If he stays out of the way, collects 3 offensive rebounds a game and gets 5 to 6 points off of easy put backs and dunks while providing good defense against the opposing center for 18 minutes a game he would be a steal for the Heat. He is far better suited to start at center than Big Z (good for certain matchups, slowest player in the nba), Joel Anthony (good 5th big, too small for extended center minutes), Haslem (good player, too small for center), Bosh (save his body for when the games matter), Magloire (talk about a stiff), Dexter Pittman (big body, not sure what he'll bring to the NBA), Juwan Howard (IMO should be out of the league because hes so terrible, plus hes a PF) and Shavolik Randolph (not any good, pf).

 

[Eephus]

Sources said Thursday that Warriors coach Don Nelson will be out by the opening of training camp Tuesday and will give way to assistant coach Keith Smart, who will be tasked with leading the transition to a new era under yet-to-be-approved owners Peter Guber and Joe Lacob.Nelson might be allowed to call the decision a resignation, but sources said he was interested in remaining with the team in some non-coaching capacity but instead was asked to leave altogether. ESPN reported that Nelson will still receive the entire $6 million he was owed for the 2010-11 season. General manager Larry Riley did not return a message left on his cell phone.

I've been a Nellie fan since his days with the Bucks but he'd become a polarizing figure to the team and its fans. I'm glad to see the new ownership assert themselves beyond just new uniforms but the timing and the seemingly disorganized transition leave a lot to be desired.Smart definitely has ties to the old regime. The team played well for him while Nelson was out last year but the way the job was handed to him right before the opening camp doesn't help appearances that he's the man in charge.

 

[No. 16]

Dampier to the Heat?

If he lands there I don't see how the Heat don't win it all (probably relatively easily at that) barring significant injury - no foolin.

Have you seen Dampier play or not play is a better term.

I like him as a guy to play 15-20 minutes a game at center for a team. He defends, hes big, he rebounds and he knows his role. I don't think Dampier takes anybody to the next level, but if he does go to Miami he is a better center than anybody else on the roster especially because he doesn't need the ball and is one of the better offensive rebounders in the NBA. He is pretty darn similar to Pryzbilla and Haywood and they get pretty good pub, and both make significantly more money.

I don't disagree that Damp is serviceable, but Gr00vus saying that Damp makes the Heat a lock to win is a head scratcher. He's a below average starter and while the Heat front court is in better shape than before Dampier, it still a big weakness.

 

[Kev4029]

Dampier to the Heat?

If he lands there I don't see how the Heat don't win it all (probably relatively easily at that) barring significant injury - no foolin.

Have you seen Dampier play or not play is a better term.

I like him as a guy to play 15-20 minutes a game at center for a team. He defends, hes big, he rebounds and he knows his role. I don't think Dampier takes anybody to the next level, but if he does go to Miami he is a better center than anybody else on the roster especially because he doesn't need the ball and is one of the better offensive rebounders in the NBA. He is pretty darn similar to Pryzbilla and Haywood and they get pretty good pub, and both make significantly more money.

I don't disagree that Damp is serviceable, but Gr00vus saying that Damp makes the Heat a lock to win is a head scratcher. He's a below average starter and while the Heat front court is in better shape than before Dampier, it still a big weakness.

Agreed, but it is a baby step in the right direction. I would love the Nuggets to make a run at him.

 

[Gr00vus]

Dampier to the Heat?

If he lands there I don't see how the Heat don't win it all (probably relatively easily at that) barring significant injury - no foolin.

Have you seen Dampier play or not play is a better term.

I like him as a guy to play 15-20 minutes a game at center for a team. He defends, hes big, he rebounds and he knows his role. I don't think Dampier takes anybody to the next level, but if he does go to Miami he is a better center than anybody else on the roster especially because he doesn't need the ball and is one of the better offensive rebounders in the NBA. He is pretty darn similar to Pryzbilla and Haywood and they get pretty good pub, and both make significantly more money.

I don't disagree that Damp is serviceable, but Gr00vus saying that Damp makes the Heat a lock to win is a head scratcher. He's a below average starter and while the Heat front court is in better shape than before Dampier, it still a big weakness.

He's the perfect fit for that squad. Eats up space, gets some boards, can play some D on the big men the Heat will face on their title runs, soak up some fouls, and most importantly pretty much guarantees Bosh won't have to play the 5 unless the Heat want him to. That's the key. If they have to run with the big men they've got now they could get seriously worked inside by the top end competition. 24 minutes of Dampier is more than enough for the Heat to totally fuxxor the league.

 

[No. 16]

Dampier to the Heat?

If he lands there I don't see how the Heat don't win it all (probably relatively easily at that) barring significant injury - no foolin.

Have you seen Dampier play or not play is a better term.

I like him as a guy to play 15-20 minutes a game at center for a team. He defends, hes big, he rebounds and he knows his role. I don't think Dampier takes anybody to the next level, but if he does go to Miami he is a better center than anybody else on the roster especially because he doesn't need the ball and is one of the better offensive rebounders in the NBA. He is pretty darn similar to Pryzbilla and Haywood and they get pretty good pub, and both make significantly more money.

I don't disagree that Damp is serviceable, but Gr00vus saying that Damp makes the Heat a lock to win is a head scratcher. He's a below average starter and while the Heat front court is in better shape than before Dampier, it still a big weakness.

He's the perfect fit for that squad. Eats up space, gets some boards, can play some D on the big men the Heat will face on their title runs, soak up some fouls, and most importantly pretty much guarantees Bosh won't have to play the 5 unless the Heat want him to. That's the key. If they have to run with the big men they've got now they could get seriously worked inside by the top end competition. 24 minutes of Dampier is more than enough for the Heat to totally fuxxor the league.

If only he did that for the full 24 minutes he's on the court. Damp has always had the ability, but he's always lacked the effort.

 

[Workhorse]

Great. The NBA is going to expand technical fouls this season. Good thing Sheed retired.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5609817

Honestly, while the complaining goes a little far sometimes, you can't turn these guys into robots. Plus, you're pretty much guaranteeing an important emotional guy losing a game in the playoffs for too many techs. I bet this will end up being a big story next spring.

 

[Eephus]

The all-time winningest NBA coach gets fired on the eve of camp and it gets buried in a sub-thread about Erick Dampier

 

[saintfool]

The all-time winningest NBA coach gets fired on the eve of camp and it gets buried in a sub-thread about Erick Dampier

lo! how the mighty have fallen!the writing has been on the wall for nellie for some time. he managed to alienate management, players and fans in recent years. it's a great franchise with a proud history but it has been greatly diminished by nellie-ball this time around. golden state fans deserve better and smart will give them an opportunity to do more.

 

[Gr00vus]

The all-time winningest NBA coach gets fired on the eve of camp and it gets buried in a sub-thread about Erick Dampier

lo! how the mighty have fallen!the writing has been on the wall for nellie for some time. he managed to alienate management, players and fans in recent years. it's a great franchise with a proud history but it has been greatly diminished by nellie-ball this time around. golden state fans deserve better and smart will give them an opportunity to do more.

I think you're pumping up your adjectives a little bit. Sure the one championship was nice, but still any franchise that has to seriously consider hanging Sleepy Floyd's jersey from the rafters as one of their all time greats isn't a top notch NBA club.As for Nellie, I loved him in his Bucks fish tie days. He used to have a knack from getting the most out of his guys and making teams more competitive than they probably should have been, but that hasn't been the case lately in the bay. I think it's time for him to move on. I'd like to see him catch on somewhere else as he usually can at least coax an entertaining style of play out of lousy teams.

 

[Abraham]

dampier is a stiff. he'll give you fouls and big body in the paint. he's int he bottom 25% of centers in the nba for PER. he might bring some toughness to the heat but certainly not much more.

32/59 for the guys who qualified, but PER is VERY dependent on usage and he was 51st in usage but he converts at a high percentage, rebounds well, blocks shots and doesn't have bricks for hands so he can do a little with the ball in his hands. Its a good fit to play with Miami where all he would be required to do is rebound, especially offensively, and defend. If he stays out of the way, collects 3 offensive rebounds a game and gets 5 to 6 points off of easy put backs and dunks while providing good defense against the opposing center for 18 minutes a game he would be a steal for the Heat. He is far better suited to start at center than Big Z (good for certain matchups, slowest player in the nba), Joel Anthony (good 5th big, too small for extended center minutes), Haslem (good player, too small for center), Bosh (save his body for when the games matter), Magloire (talk about a stiff), Dexter Pittman (big body, not sure what he'll bring to the NBA), Juwan Howard (IMO should be out of the league because hes so terrible, plus hes a PF) and Shavolik Randolph (not any good, pf).

They are loading up on bigs to deal with Shaq, Howard and Gasol in the playoffs which isn't a bad strategy.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Didn't hear teams but saw on espn just now nuggets in serious talk in 4team trade that would send melo to nets.

 

[wikkidpissah]

The all-time winningest NBA coach gets fired on the eve of camp and it gets buried in a sub-thread about Erick Dampier

It is unfortunate that fortysome years of boozing made for a last five years of Nellie's career which casts aspersion on his glory days. Really, the only coach who was able to convert the grand ol pace of basketball to something which could beat the Fratello lockdown style which has overtaken the game.

 

[Walton Goggins]

The Denver Nuggets are having serious discussions about a four-way trade that would land Carmelo Anthony with the New Jersey Nets, according to sources with knowledge of the negotiations.The proposed deal, sources said, also would involve the Utah Jazz and the Charlotte Bobcats. It would deliver Nets rookie forward Derrick Favors, Jazz veteran Andrei Kirilenko and multiple first-round picks to Denver in exchange for their franchise player, potentially bringing a resolution to Anthony's uncertain future before the Nuggets hold their first practice of the new season.Sources told ESPN.com that the deal, which has yet to be finalized, also would send former All-Star point guard Devin Harris to Charlotte, with Bobcats forward Boris Diaw moving to Utah.The four teams, said one source close to the talks, are "seriously engaged" after extensive talks Thursday.However, one obstacle is Anthony's willingness to sign a contract extension with the Nets. A source told ESPN.com that the Nets will not go through with the trade -- even if Denver is ready to pull the trigger -- unless Anthony commits to signing a contract extension, as Kevin Garnett did as part of the mega-trade that sent him from Minnesota to Boston in July 2007.Because Anthony has the ability to become a free agent at season's end -- which is the hammer that has enabled his agent, Leon Rose, to apply such pressure to the Nuggets in hopes of forcing a trade before the start of the season -- New Jersey is unwilling to sacrifice assets such as Favors and Harris without a guarantee that Anthony will be there for the long term.ESPN.com reported earlier this week that Anthony's representatives have been pushing Denver to deal the 26-year-old to New York or Chicago, his two preferred destinations, but the Knicks lack the trade assets required to tempt Denver and the Bulls have consistently refused to make center Joakim Noah available, trying instead to sell the Nuggets on a package headlined by swingman Luol Deng.The Nuggets have offered Anthony a three-year extension worth $65 million, but he has not signed the deal.Marc Stein is a senior NBA writer for ESPN.com.

 

[Kiddnets]

The Denver Nuggets are having serious discussions about a four-way trade that would land Carmelo Anthony with the New Jersey Nets, according to sources with knowledge of the negotiations.The proposed deal, sources said, also would involve the Utah Jazz and the Charlotte Bobcats. It would deliver Nets rookie forward Derrick Favors, Jazz veteran Andrei Kirilenko and multiple first-round picks to Denver in exchange for their franchise player, potentially bringing a resolution to Anthony's uncertain future before the Nuggets hold their first practice of the new season.Sources told ESPN.com that the deal, which has yet to be finalized, also would send former All-Star point guard Devin Harris to Charlotte, with Bobcats forward Boris Diaw moving to Utah.The four teams, said one source close to the talks, are "seriously engaged" after extensive talks Thursday.However, one obstacle is Anthony's willingness to sign a contract extension with the Nets. A source told ESPN.com that the Nets will not go through with the trade -- even if Denver is ready to pull the trigger -- unless Anthony commits to signing a contract extension, as Kevin Garnett did as part of the mega-trade that sent him from Minnesota to Boston in July 2007.Because Anthony has the ability to become a free agent at season's end -- which is the hammer that has enabled his agent, Leon Rose, to apply such pressure to the Nuggets in hopes of forcing a trade before the start of the season -- New Jersey is unwilling to sacrifice assets such as Favors and Harris without a guarantee that Anthony will be there for the long term.ESPN.com reported earlier this week that Anthony's representatives have been pushing Denver to deal the 26-year-old to New York or Chicago, his two preferred destinations, but the Knicks lack the trade assets required to tempt Denver and the Bulls have consistently refused to make center Joakim Noah available, trying instead to sell the Nuggets on a package headlined by swingman Luol Deng.The Nuggets have offered Anthony a three-year extension worth $65 million, but he has not signed the deal.Marc Stein is a senior NBA writer for ESPN.com.

This is the deal I am hearing as well.....dont like giving up Favors AND Harris but do like a Twill, Carmello, Troy Murphy, Lopez combo - not sure if Farmar is ready to be a starting PG though.....I think Carmello signs off on th Nets knowing its the closest he will get to NY...I can live with the dea as a NEt fan but was hoping they could steal him for less. Too many other teams in the mix

 

[Kiddnets]

The Denver Nuggets are having serious discussions about a four-way trade that would land Carmelo Anthony with the New Jersey Nets, according to sources with knowledge of the negotiations.The proposed deal, sources said, also would involve the Utah Jazz and the Charlotte Bobcats. It would deliver Nets rookie forward Derrick Favors, Jazz veteran Andrei Kirilenko and multiple first-round picks to Denver in exchange for their franchise player, potentially bringing a resolution to Anthony's uncertain future before the Nuggets hold their first practice of the new season.Sources told ESPN.com that the deal, which has yet to be finalized, also would send former All-Star point guard Devin Harris to Charlotte, with Bobcats forward Boris Diaw moving to Utah.The four teams, said one source close to the talks, are "seriously engaged" after extensive talks Thursday.However, one obstacle is Anthony's willingness to sign a contract extension with the Nets. A source told ESPN.com that the Nets will not go through with the trade -- even if Denver is ready to pull the trigger -- unless Anthony commits to signing a contract extension, as Kevin Garnett did as part of the mega-trade that sent him from Minnesota to Boston in July 2007.Because Anthony has the ability to become a free agent at season's end -- which is the hammer that has enabled his agent, Leon Rose, to apply such pressure to the Nuggets in hopes of forcing a trade before the start of the season -- New Jersey is unwilling to sacrifice assets such as Favors and Harris without a guarantee that Anthony will be there for the long term.ESPN.com reported earlier this week that Anthony's representatives have been pushing Denver to deal the 26-year-old to New York or Chicago, his two preferred destinations, but the Knicks lack the trade assets required to tempt Denver and the Bulls have consistently refused to make center Joakim Noah available, trying instead to sell the Nuggets on a package headlined by swingman Luol Deng.The Nuggets have offered Anthony a three-year extension worth $65 million, but he has not signed the deal.Marc Stein is a senior NBA writer for ESPN.com.

This is the deal I am hearing as well.....dont like giving up Favors AND Harris but do like a Twill, Carmello, Troy Murphy, Lopez combo - not sure if Farmar is ready to be a starting PG though.....I think Carmello signs off on th Nets knowing its the closest he will get to NY...I can live with the dea as a NEt fan but was hoping they could steal him for less. Too many other teams in the mix

Also rumored that Augistin going to the Nets in the deal from Charlotte...makes more sense then - anyone know much about him?

 

[Eephus]

Also rumored that Augistin going to the Nets in the deal from Charlotte...makes more sense then - anyone know much about him?

That would make more sense, otherwise Diaw straight up for Devin Harris wouldn't make sense. Augustin wasn't a Larry Brown favorite so his playing time got jerked around a lot. I don't think he's a true PG in spite of his small stature. The problem is he hasn't shot that well either. I think his upside is an energy guy off the bench who can hit a 3PT, but he might do better in a different situation. He's an expiring contract with a 2011 team option so the Nets would be getting a one year trial of someone with a bit of potential.

 

[Kiddnets]

Also rumored that Augistin going to the Nets in the deal from Charlotte...makes more sense then - anyone know much about him?

That would make more sense, otherwise Diaw straight up for Devin Harris wouldn't make sense. Augustin wasn't a Larry Brown favorite so his playing time got jerked around a lot. I don't think he's a true PG in spite of his small stature. The problem is he hasn't shot that well either. I think his upside is an energy guy off the bench who can hit a 3PT, but he might do better in a different situation. He's an expiring contract with a 2011 team option so the Nets would be getting a one year trial of someone with a bit of potential.

Sounds like a good throw in as I would be hesitant to turn it over to Farmar.....based on the Nets payroll - by sending off Harris they will have enough cap space to add another max FA next year....Chris Paul?

 

[simmonjm]

I am highly skeptical about Melo signing an extension with the Nets. I dont see this trade happening.

 

[Kiddnets]

I am highly skeptical about Melo signing an extension with the Nets. I dont see this trade happening.

He wants NY...this is NY in a new state of the art arena in 2 years...his wife if from Brooklyn....Nets roster is just as solid as Knicks....why wouldnt he?

 

[saintfool]

I am highly skeptical about Melo signing an extension with the Nets. I dont see this trade happening.

He wants NY...this is NY in a new state of the art arena in 2 years...his wife if from Brooklyn....Nets roster is just as solid as Knicks....why wouldnt he?

i agree. if/when the nets move to brooklyn, they can be the darlings of NY media. melo gets to play in the biggest market and have his money too.

 

[Gr00vus]

not sure if Farmar is ready to be a starting PG though

Sure he is - just ask him.

 

[the moops]

not sure if Farmar is ready to be a starting PG though

Sure he is - just ask him.

Or better yet, let's dig up tgunz posts about him and Chris Paul from a few years back.

 

[Kiddnets]

Nets boards are split - half think they are giving up too much and the other half say go get him.

This is a star league now - the Heat showed that you need a star to attract others....NEts will have enough room for another max next year to join Carmello and Lopez.....a star is more apt to join that twosome than Favors, Harris, Lopez....so I make the deal even though Denver is doing real well for dealing a guy who doesnt want to be there

 

[simmonjm]

I am highly skeptical about Melo signing an extension with the Nets. I dont see this trade happening.

He wants NY...this is NY in a new state of the art arena in 2 years...his wife if from Brooklyn....Nets roster is just as solid as Knicks....why wouldnt he?

Really you cant understand why a star wouldnt want to come this team? The same team that won 12 games last year? The same team that had the :blueprint: this offseason signing Outlaw, Farmar, and Morrow? Not to mention the one player outside of Lopez that may be worth something Favors is being given up to get Melo.

 

[Steelfan7]

You guys are better off without Ariza, no idea who you got for him even. But come on the Knicks would not trade Gallo for anyone on your roster besides Brooks and even that is a maybe since we got Felton.

Ariza for Courtney Lee.Here is how I see the players ranking uin terms of immediate performanceusing Bill Simmons "the higher ranked guy wouldn't be traded for the lower guy straight up, but if the team owning the lower ranked guy were offered the higher guy they would seriously consider the deal...:

1. Amare

2. Martin

3. Brooks

4. Danilo

5. Scola

6. Budinger

7. Chandler

8. Lowry

9. Felton

10. Battier

IMO, no BS here Knicks easily win 40 games in top heavy eastern conference while Rockets will be about a 35 win team thus making Knicks pick worse. With the Miami 3 happening it knocked two teams in the 40+ wins column. Raptors and Cavs into the 20 win column and Knicks with improvements will easily coast above those teams

Maybe the Knicks win 40, but I'm not sure why the Rockets would regress frm 42 wins to the range of 35. They have added Courtney Lee, Patrick Patterson, Brad Miller, and Yao and have lost Trevor Ariza and David Anderson. So they have a better team (or at least a deeper team) then last season.

So they have added nobody is what you are saying?Don't want to knock you but you leaving Anthony Randolph off the list is an abomination. Ask any sane Knicks fan if they would rather AR or Chandler, 99 of 100 would tell you AR. Kid is still 21, was a lottery pick, played extremely well in limited minutes but since he was in Donnie Darkos doghouse he never played enough. That wont happen with Dantoni who will play him 30+ mins

Budinger is the second coming of that readhead on the Celtics nothing more

Battier can play some D but is a role player. If i was the Rockets GM i would clearly have Scola higher on that list then Martin, Scola is a very solid player, martin is a one dimensional chucker and cant play a lick of D

I don't want to make a habit out of agreeing with the Rockets fans in here, but you have no idea what you're talking about. The Knicks may have a good future, but I highly doubt anything special is coming from them anytime in the near future. For the Knicks to be a better team than the Rockets in the next few years they are going to need a lot of improvement from their youngsters. Gallo has a pretty jumper, but is possibly the worst rebounding and defending PF in the league, and with a bum back is unlikely to ever improve much in those categories. Randolph can't stay healthy and has shown no ability to effectively score in the NBA, at this point he is a poor man's version of Marcus Camby. Chandler is slowly improving, but can't shoot and is both an average rebounder and defender. Douglas could be a very good player in this league, and I loved the pick of him by the Knicks, he could develop into an average starting PG who can defend and hit the 3.

If those 4 young guys all improve they still will be a mediocre team in 3-4 years because Amare is going to be 31 or 32 with crap legs getting paid $20 million. In the 2014-2015 season, at best, I see him as the 32 year old Antonio Mcdyess, who like Amare was a super athlete who developed a nice jumper and had bad knees. The difference being Mcdyess is/was a willing defender.

Does a team of mid career Derek Fisher (Douglas), Wilson Chandler (I think what you see at this point is what you get), Detlef Schrempf (Gallinari), washed up McDyess (Amare) and mid career Marcus Camby get 50 wins?

Gallo is an above average defender. He gets a bad rap for defense because of his skin color. His rebounding numbers are pitiful. He didn't have any issues last yr with his back. Why can't a young 20-21 yr old kid improve his game? Douglass is not a starting PG in the NBA. He is best used as a combo guard off the bench. It's painful to watch him attempt to run the offense. Felton is going to surprise a lot of people this yr.

 

[Kev4029]

I am highly skeptical about Melo signing an extension with the Nets. I dont see this trade happening.

He wants NY...this is NY in a new state of the art arena in 2 years...his wife if from Brooklyn....Nets roster is just as solid as Knicks....why wouldnt he?

Really you cant understand why a star wouldnt want to come this team? The same team that won 12 games last year? The same team that had the :blueprint: this offseason signing Outlaw, Farmar, and Morrow? Not to mention the one player outside of Lopez that may be worth something Favors is being given up to get Melo.

Simmonjm does have a good point, new york is full of star players outside of Amare, players are just begging to play for the knicks, when they spent 100 million dollars to bring in Amare who nobody else wanted because nobody could get insurance to cover even a small portion of the contract because he's knees are so bad. Lopez will be a better player than Amare next year, and the gap will widen quickly over the next few years. Outside of those two I see two very similar teams. When you consider the knicks would likely have to trade a few prospects to get Melo as well, the nets have a much stronger base to build a franchise from.... Plus the Nets don't have Dolan calling the shots.

 

[Kiddnets]

I am highly skeptical about Melo signing an extension with the Nets. I dont see this trade happening.

He wants NY...this is NY in a new state of the art arena in 2 years...his wife if from Brooklyn....Nets roster is just as solid as Knicks....why wouldnt he?

Really you cant understand why a star wouldnt want to come this team? The same team that won 12 games last year? The same team that had the :blueprint: this offseason signing Outlaw, Farmar, and Morrow? Not to mention the one player outside of Lopez that may be worth something Favors is being given up to get Melo.

This is not the same team as last year...not even close. You scoff at Outlaw, Farmar and Morrow but they make up one heck of a bench....they took their shot at Lebron and came up short...instead of signing a guy with balky knees they decided to go conservative and add pieces while keeping its cap space. They would have an excellent front court in Carmelo, Murphy and Lopez that blows the Knicks away. Augistin is a decent PG with Farmar and T Will was awesome in the last 2 months last year. Pre and post possible Anthony trade the NEts are clearly a better situation than the Knicks - an by the way - as stated - brand new arena and billionaire owner not named Dolan.......if you look at it objectively its a great situation. Favors could be the next Howard or Kwame...Harris is injured all the time and has fallen off the last few years....best part about the deal is the Nets would have cap room to add another max next year....its a deal they have to make and is a good haul for Denver...win/win

 

[wikkidpissah]

Gallo is an above average defender. He gets a bad rap for defense because of his skin color. His rebounding numbers are pitiful. He didn't have any issues last yr with his back. Why can't a young 20-21 yr old kid improve his game? Douglass is not a starting PG in the NBA. He is best used as a combo guard off the bench. It's painful to watch him attempt to run the offense. Felton is going to surprise a lot of people this yr.

- The knock on Gallo is not so much based on color as continent of origin. Has any Euro non-center cept AK ever played a lick of D?- Totally agree on Douglas.- Felton is the worst chucker in the game. He is talented enough, though, to have a nice career if 1) someone breaks him of the chucking 2) he plays in a scheme where chucking is less of a liabilty. D'Antoni offers the latter scenario more than any coach in the game, but i still aint holdin my breath.

 

[Steelfan7]

I am highly skeptical about Melo signing an extension with the Nets. I dont see this trade happening.

He wants NY...this is NY in a new state of the art arena in 2 years...his wife if from Brooklyn....Nets roster is just as solid as Knicks....why wouldnt he?

Really you cant understand why a star wouldnt want to come this team? The same team that won 12 games last year? The same team that had the :blueprint: this offseason signing Outlaw, Farmar, and Morrow? Not to mention the one player outside of Lopez that may be worth something Favors is being given up to get Melo.

Simmonjm does have a good point, new york is full of star players outside of Amare, players are just begging to play for the knicks, when they spent 100 million dollars to bring in Amare who nobody else wanted because nobody could get insurance to cover even a small portion of the contract because he's knees are so bad. Lopez will be a better player than Amare next year, and the gap will widen quickly over the next few years. Outside of those two I see two very similar teams. When you consider the knicks would likely have to trade a few prospects to get Melo as well, the nets have a much stronger base to build a franchise from.... Plus the Nets don't have Dolan calling the shots.

Please tell us all the star players that tripped over themselves to sign with the Nets this offseason?

 

[Steelfan7]

Gallo is an above average defender. He gets a bad rap for defense because of his skin color. His rebounding numbers are pitiful. He didn't have any issues last yr with his back. Why can't a young 20-21 yr old kid improve his game? Douglass is not a starting PG in the NBA. He is best used as a combo guard off the bench. It's painful to watch him attempt to run the offense. Felton is going to surprise a lot of people this yr.

- The knock on Gallo is not so much based on color as continent of origin. Has any Euro non-center cept AK ever played a lick of D?- Totally agree on Douglas.

- Felton is the worst chucker in the game. He is talented enough, though, to have a nice career if 1) someone breaks him of the chucking 2) he plays in a scheme where chucking is less of a liabilty. D'Antoni offers the latter scenario more than any coach in the game, but i still aint holdin my breath.

Al Harrington?

 

[Kiddnets]

I am highly skeptical about Melo signing an extension with the Nets. I dont see this trade happening.

He wants NY...this is NY in a new state of the art arena in 2 years...his wife if from Brooklyn....Nets roster is just as solid as Knicks....why wouldnt he?

Really you cant understand why a star wouldnt want to come this team? The same team that won 12 games last year? The same team that had the :blueprint: this offseason signing Outlaw, Farmar, and Morrow? Not to mention the one player outside of Lopez that may be worth something Favors is being given up to get Melo.

Simmonjm does have a good point, new york is full of star players outside of Amare, players are just begging to play for the knicks, when they spent 100 million dollars to bring in Amare who nobody else wanted because nobody could get insurance to cover even a small portion of the contract because he's knees are so bad. Lopez will be a better player than Amare next year, and the gap will widen quickly over the next few years. Outside of those two I see two very similar teams. When you consider the knicks would likely have to trade a few prospects to get Melo as well, the nets have a much stronger base to build a franchise from.... Plus the Nets don't have Dolan calling the shots.

Please tell us all the star players that tripped over themselves to sign with the Nets this offseason?

The Nets went all in for Lebron who wasnt going anywhere but with Wade/Bosh....they passed on Lee's crazy salary; didnt want Amare's knees and missed out on Boozer - let's talk Amare in 2 years - you'll wish they signed Outlaw, Morrow and Farmar instead

 

[simmonjm]

I am highly skeptical about Melo signing an extension with the Nets. I dont see this trade happening.

He wants NY...this is NY in a new state of the art arena in 2 years...his wife if from Brooklyn....Nets roster is just as solid as Knicks....why wouldnt he?

Really you cant understand why a star wouldnt want to come this team? The same team that won 12 games last year? The same team that had the :blueprint: this offseason signing Outlaw, Farmar, and Morrow? Not to mention the one player outside of Lopez that may be worth something Favors is being given up to get Melo.

Simmonjm does have a good point, new york is full of star players outside of Amare, players are just begging to play for the knicks, when they spent 100 million dollars to bring in Amare who nobody else wanted because nobody could get insurance to cover even a small portion of the contract because he's knees are so bad. Lopez will be a better player than Amare next year, and the gap will widen quickly over the next few years. Outside of those two I see two very similar teams. When you consider the knicks would likely have to trade a few prospects to get Melo as well, the nets have a much stronger base to build a franchise from.... Plus the Nets don't have Dolan calling the shots.

This Lopez hype is getting out of control, sure he is a great role player but he is not a star. To suggest Lopez will be a better player starting next year is beyond ridiculous. Do you think that Noah will also be better than Amare starting next year? Im curious to see where exactly you rank Amare. What everyone forgets is that NBA players have huge egos. Melo wants to win, moreso than any other sports, basketball greatness is determined by W-L record and championships. I dont think that Melo will compromise and decide to play for Nets so that he can by in NY. By doing so would taint his legacy, you can talk about Brooklyn all you want but 2 years is forever in the NBA. Your comparisons about individual players are for naught, while NY has struggled for years (and trust me they have) they are still viewed as the a premier team, so winning in NY carries much more weight than anywhere else.

 

[simmonjm]

Please tell us all the star players that tripped over themselves to sign with the Nets this offseason?

The Nets went all in for Lebron who wasnt going anywhere but with Wade/Bosh....they passed on Lee's crazy salary; didnt want Amare's knees and missed out on Boozer - let's talk Amare in 2 years - you'll wish they signed Outlaw, Morrow and Farmar instead

Actually if you believe reports Lebron was deciding upon Miami and NY up until the day of the decision. Typical excuse, Nets dont sign any worthwhile FA's so suddenly the entire FA class was worthless and overpaid. Do you realize the amount of games Boozer has missed yet his contract is kosher because he did not sign with NY and is somehow better than Amare. Do you realize that Nets signed Outlaw for 28 mill x 4 years?

 

[Steelfan7]

The Nets went all in for Lebron who wasnt going anywhere but with Wade/Bosh....they passed on Lee's crazy salary; didnt want Amare's knees and missed out on Boozer - let's talk Amare in 2 years - you'll wish they signed Outlaw, Morrow and Farmar instead

I'll take Amare's All-Star level of play for the next two yrs over those stiffs any day.

 

[Courtjester]

I am huge Melo fan and would be really sad to see him go, but this trade (depending on the details of the picks) would be really nice for Denver and would give them the ability to still be competitive this year.

Now who would play center for Denver is

 

[Kiddnets]

The Nets went all in for Lebron who wasnt going anywhere but with Wade/Bosh....they passed on Lee's crazy salary; didnt want Amare's knees and missed out on Boozer - let's talk Amare in 2 years - you'll wish they signed Outlaw, Morrow and Farmar instead

I'll take Amare's All-Star level of play for the next two yrs over those stiffs any day.

get back to me in years 3, 4, 5 when hes on the sideline and Knicks in cap hell again......

 

[Steelfan7]

The Nets went all in for Lebron who wasnt going anywhere but with Wade/Bosh....they passed on Lee's crazy salary; didnt want Amare's knees and missed out on Boozer - let's talk Amare in 2 years - you'll wish they signed Outlaw, Morrow and Farmar instead

I'll take Amare's All-Star level of play for the next two yrs over those stiffs any day.

get back to me in years 3, 4, 5 when hes on the sideline and Knicks in cap hell again......

Let me know how you feel about paying all those stiffs bloated contracts in the next 4 yrs.

 

[No. 16]

Melo is not worth what the Nets will be giving up, IMO.

I'd rather have Harris + Favors + draft picks (possible lottery picks for the next year or two) over Melo for the rebuilding Nets.

The addition of Melo would improve the Nets immediately, but if the goal is to win a championship then adding Melo to Murphy and Lopez won't get you any closer. Melo would be signed for MAX money and when Lopez's rookie deal runs out he'll be wanting max money as well, so a majority of the cap space in the future is locked into Melo and Lopez. However, please tell me what championship teams are built around 2 MAX money players who are only above average at ONE aspect of the game: scoring?

Melo will cash in but teams are offering LBJ/Wade type deals for Melo when he's closer in value to Joe Johnson.

 

[Walton Goggins]

Melo is not worth what the Nets will be giving up, IMO. I'd rather have Harris + Favors + draft picks (possible lottery picks for the next year or two) over Melo for the rebuilding Nets.The addition of Melo would improve the Nets immediately, but if the goal is to win a championship then adding Melo to Murphy and Lopez won't get you any closer. Melo would be signed for MAX money and when Lopez's rookie deal runs out he'll be wanting max money as well, so a majority of the cap space in the future is locked into Melo and Lopez. However, please tell me what championship teams are built around 2 MAM money players who are only above average at ONE aspect of the game: scoring? Melo will cash in but teams are offering LBJ/Wade type deals for Melo when he's closer in value to Joe Johnson.

I'm actually glad the Rockets won't get Carmelo and go through another TMack situation. I also don't buy into "players want to play in NY" bit either. Rarely ever happens for a reason. Also NJ is and will never be NYC so people need to stop comparing.

 

[No. 16]

The Nets went all in for Lebron who wasnt going anywhere but with Wade/Bosh....they passed on Lee's crazy salary; didnt want Amare's knees and missed out on Boozer - let's talk Amare in 2 years - you'll wish they signed Outlaw, Morrow and Farmar instead

I'll take Amare's All-Star level of play for the next two yrs over those stiffs any day.

get back to me in years 3, 4, 5 when hes on the sideline and Knicks in cap hell again......

Let me know how you feel about paying all those stiffs bloated contracts in the next 4 yrs.

Outlaw - 7Morrow - 4Farmar - 3.75Total: $14.75 per yearAmare - 99.7/5 yrs ~ 20 million per yearWhile I think Outlaw and Farmar are overpaid, all 3 of those guys are worthy of rotation player minutes for most NBA teams. Outlaw and Morrow could possibly be in the starting lineup depending on what position a team's alpha dog plays so I don't think committing 15 million or about 1/4th of your team's money up to the luxury tax (68 million) for 3/8ths of your teams rotation is a bad investment. Also, those 3 guys will still be UNDER 30 (Morrow and Farmar will be 27 and 26) when their deals expire so they should play at the same level or improve vs Amare who will finish his deal out at 32, which means he's likely on the decline of his career. This should be a major concern because his game is based on superior athletic ability.

 

[Kev4029]

The Nets went all in for Lebron who wasnt going anywhere but with Wade/Bosh....they passed on Lee's crazy salary; didnt want Amare's knees and missed out on Boozer - let's talk Amare in 2 years - you'll wish they signed Outlaw, Morrow and Farmar instead

I'll take Amare's All-Star level of play for the next two yrs over those stiffs any day.

get back to me in years 3, 4, 5 when hes on the sideline and Knicks in cap hell again......

Let me know how you feel about paying all those stiffs bloated contracts in the next 4 yrs.

Outlaw was a terrible signing, no doubt, and it will definitely bite them in the ### for the next couple offseasons. Farmer is a backup pg and got backup pg money, didn't get a good deal, but close to what he deserved. Morrow was a steal, he's te best shooter in the nba and still young, he's very comparable in terms of talent to Gallo. I love homers.

 

[Kiddnets]

The Nets went all in for Lebron who wasnt going anywhere but with Wade/Bosh....they passed on Lee's crazy salary; didnt want Amare's knees and missed out on Boozer - let's talk Amare in 2 years - you'll wish they signed Outlaw, Morrow and Farmar instead

I'll take Amare's All-Star level of play for the next two yrs over those stiffs any day.

get back to me in years 3, 4, 5 when hes on the sideline and Knicks in cap hell again......

Let me know how you feel about paying all those stiffs bloated contracts in the next 4 yrs.

Outlaw - 7Morrow - 4Farmar - 3.75Total: $14.75 per yearAmare - 99.7/5 yrs ~ 20 million per yearWhile I think Outlaw and Farmar are overpaid, all 3 of those guys are worthy of rotation player minutes for most NBA teams. Outlaw and Morrow could possibly be in the starting lineup depending on what position a team's alpha dog plays so I don't think committing 15 million or about 1/4th of your team's money up to the luxury tax (68 million) for 3/8ths of your teams rotation is a bad investment. Also, those 3 guys will still be UNDER 30 (Morrow and Farmar will be 27 and 26) when their deals expire so they should play at the same level or improve vs Amare who will finish his deal out at 32, which means he's likely on the decline of his career. This should be a major concern because his game is based on superior athletic ability.

Thank you....certainly not bloated contracts and definitely not stiffs...they are what they are...quality rotation players for good depth...something the Knicks are lacking.

 

[Mr. PadresLakers]

MIAMI -- The Miami Heat have decided not to offer a contract to free agent center Erick Dampier, who worked out for the team earlier this week.