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[No. 16]

MIAMI -- The Miami Heat have decided not to offer a contract to free agent center Erick Dampier, who worked out for the team earlier this week.

What is Pat Riley thinking? Dampier is the perfect big man for them for 24 minutes per game! They would have been a lock to win the NBA title by adding Dampier!

 

[Balco]

As the deal is constructed, the Nets have to do that deal for Carmelo (and Augustin).

PG: Farmar, Augustin

SG: Terrence Williams, Anthony Morrow

SF: Carmelo Anthony, Travis Outlaw

PF: Troy Murphy, Kris Humphries

C: Brook Lopez, Johan Petro

That is a solid team. Favors has limitless potential, but right now, it is potential. He could be Jermaine O'Neal in 2-3 years, or he could be Stromile Swift. Who knows. Carmelo is a known commodity. The huge wild card is Terrence Williams, whose experiment as a ball handler failed miserably in the summer. The Nets outside and midrange shooting was an embarrassment last year, causing teams to simply collapse on Brook Lopez. With shooters like Anthony Morrow, Troy Murphy, and DJ Augustin spreading the floor, Lopez will be a monster. That is a playoff team if the trade is made.

 

[No. 16]

As the deal is constructed, the Nets have to do that deal for Carmelo (and Augustin).PG: Farmar, AugustinSG: Terrence Williams, Anthony MorrowSF: Carmelo Anthony, Travis OutlawPF: Troy Murphy, Kris HumphriesC: Brook Lopez, Johan PetroThat is a solid team. Favors has limitless potential, but right now, it is potential. He could be Jermaine O'Neal in 2-3 years, or he could be Stromile Swift. Who knows. Carmelo is a known commodity. The huge wild card is Terrence Williams, whose experiment as a ball handler failed miserably in the summer. The Nets outside and midrange shooting was an embarrassment last year, causing teams to simply collapse on Brook Lopez. With shooters like Anthony Morrow, Troy Murphy, and DJ Augustin spreading the floor, Lopez will be a monster. That is a playoff team if the trade is made.

I don't think this team could beat Melo's team last year.

 

[Eephus]

As the deal is constructed, the Nets have to do that deal for Carmelo (and Augustin).PG: Farmar, AugustinSG: Terrence Williams, Anthony MorrowSF: Carmelo Anthony, Travis OutlawPF: Troy Murphy, Kris HumphriesC: Brook Lopez, Johan PetroThat is a solid team. Favors has limitless potential, but right now, it is potential. He could be Jermaine O'Neal in 2-3 years, or he could be Stromile Swift. Who knows. Carmelo is a known commodity. The huge wild card is Terrence Williams, whose experiment as a ball handler failed miserably in the summer. The Nets outside and midrange shooting was an embarrassment last year, causing teams to simply collapse on Brook Lopez. With shooters like Anthony Morrow, Troy Murphy, and DJ Augustin spreading the floor, Lopez will be a monster. That is a playoff team if the trade is made.

I don't think this team could beat Melo's team last year.

Murphy will struggle to defend opposing #4s. He'll struggle to defend anybody for that matter.The key is whether anybody in that backcourt can step their game in increased minutes.

 

[simmonjm]

As the deal is constructed, the Nets have to do that deal for Carmelo (and Augustin).PG: Farmar, AugustinSG: Terrence Williams, Anthony MorrowSF: Carmelo Anthony, Travis OutlawPF: Troy Murphy, Kris HumphriesC: Brook Lopez, Johan PetroThat is a solid team. Favors has limitless potential, but right now, it is potential. He could be Jermaine O'Neal in 2-3 years, or he could be Stromile Swift. Who knows. Carmelo is a known commodity. The huge wild card is Terrence Williams, whose experiment as a ball handler failed miserably in the summer. The Nets outside and midrange shooting was an embarrassment last year, causing teams to simply collapse on Brook Lopez. With shooters like Anthony Morrow, Troy Murphy, and DJ Augustin spreading the floor, Lopez will be a monster. That is a playoff team if the trade is made.

I don't think this team could beat Melo's team last year.

Any team relying on Farmar to be your starting PG is asking for trouble. No way this team is better than Melo's Nuggets.

 

[Kiddnets]

Carmello will sign an extension with the Nets

After multiple reports the Nets were in "discussions" regarding a trade that would bring Carmelo Anthony to New Jersey, there's late word from the Daily News' Stefan Bondy that Anthony has agreed to sign an extension with the Nets. That would clear the final hurdle for the biggest Nets' trade in a decade. The deal, which could go down Saturday, Bondy reports, involves the Nets, Nuggets, Jazz and Bobcats.

As reported, the trade would deliver Derrick Favors, Andrei Kirilenko and two first-round picks (including the Warriors 2012 pick) to Denver in exchange for Anthony. The deal also would send Devin Harris and Jarvis Hayes to Charlotte, with Boris Diaw and Quinton Ross moving to Utah.

The deal couldn't be consummated unless 'Melo agreed to a sign-and-trade in which he agreed to accept a $65 million, three year extension. Another possible hold up: the Bobcats are reluctant to give up Augustin, but that isn't seen as a dealbreaker

 

[Green94]

Jesus, the Bulls dropped the ball big time.

This one is going to hurt.

 

[Kiddnets]

Jesus, the Bulls dropped the ball big time.This one is going to hurt.

sounds like Bulls would be right in it if they gave up Noah...Rose, Boozer, Noah is a pretty darn good trio

 

[Kiddnets]

As the deal is constructed, the Nets have to do that deal for Carmelo (and Augustin).PG: Farmar, AugustinSG: Terrence Williams, Anthony MorrowSF: Carmelo Anthony, Travis OutlawPF: Troy Murphy, Kris HumphriesC: Brook Lopez, Johan PetroThat is a solid team. Favors has limitless potential, but right now, it is potential. He could be Jermaine O'Neal in 2-3 years, or he could be Stromile Swift. Who knows. Carmelo is a known commodity. The huge wild card is Terrence Williams, whose experiment as a ball handler failed miserably in the summer. The Nets outside and midrange shooting was an embarrassment last year, causing teams to simply collapse on Brook Lopez. With shooters like Anthony Morrow, Troy Murphy, and DJ Augustin spreading the floor, Lopez will be a monster. That is a playoff team if the trade is made.

I don't think this team could beat Melo's team last year.

Any team relying on Farmar to be your starting PG is asking for trouble. No way this team is better than Melo's Nuggets.

PG is the weakness assuming it goes through - TWill is a very good young scorer who I think will be very solid...Morrow is a lethal shooter...Outlaw a great 3/4 off the bench...Murphy a very solid PF who shoots and boards...plus a top 5 Center in Lopez....this team would compete for a 4-5 seed in the East. With the max money they have next year look for them to try to add a top PG to take the next step.

 

[Kev4029]

As the deal is constructed, the Nets have to do that deal for Carmelo (and Augustin).PG: Farmar, AugustinSG: Terrence Williams, Anthony MorrowSF: Carmelo Anthony, Travis OutlawPF: Troy Murphy, Kris HumphriesC: Brook Lopez, Johan PetroThat is a solid team. Favors has limitless potential, but right now, it is potential. He could be Jermaine O'Neal in 2-3 years, or he could be Stromile Swift. Who knows. Carmelo is a known commodity. The huge wild card is Terrence Williams, whose experiment as a ball handler failed miserably in the summer. The Nets outside and midrange shooting was an embarrassment last year, causing teams to simply collapse on Brook Lopez. With shooters like Anthony Morrow, Troy Murphy, and DJ Augustin spreading the floor, Lopez will be a monster. That is a playoff team if the trade is made.

I don't think this team could beat Melo's team last year.

Melo clearly is a money first, winning second type of guy, so I don't think he cares. And to be fair, Until Kenyon Martin got hurt and George Karl got cancer, the Nuggets were concensus number 2 in the west and some people were picking them to win the west.People are going to be surprised with the Nets I think. I see them as fighting with Boston and Chicago for the 3 seed behind Orlando and Miami.

 

[No. 16]

As the deal is constructed, the Nets have to do that deal for Carmelo (and Augustin).PG: Farmar, AugustinSG: Terrence Williams, Anthony MorrowSF: Carmelo Anthony, Travis OutlawPF: Troy Murphy, Kris HumphriesC: Brook Lopez, Johan PetroThat is a solid team. Favors has limitless potential, but right now, it is potential. He could be Jermaine O'Neal in 2-3 years, or he could be Stromile Swift. Who knows. Carmelo is a known commodity. The huge wild card is Terrence Williams, whose experiment as a ball handler failed miserably in the summer. The Nets outside and midrange shooting was an embarrassment last year, causing teams to simply collapse on Brook Lopez. With shooters like Anthony Morrow, Troy Murphy, and DJ Augustin spreading the floor, Lopez will be a monster. That is a playoff team if the trade is made.

I don't think this team could beat Melo's team last year.

Any team relying on Farmar to be your starting PG is asking for trouble. No way this team is better than Melo's Nuggets.

PG is the weakness assuming it goes through - TWill is a very good young scorer who I think will be very solid...Morrow is a lethal shooter...Outlaw a great 3/4 off the bench...Murphy a very solid PF who shoots and boards...plus a top 5 Center in Lopez....this team would compete for a 4-5 seed in the East. With the max money they have next year look for them to try to add a top PG to take the next step.

Re-read the description of all those players.... one word you didn't use once was DEFENSE!!As a Warrior fan scoring can only get you so far, especially when this team looks like one with no real PG to distribute the ball. Will they still have enough for a max player?Murphy is expiring at 11 million.... not sure they can sign a MAX player with the money left. Only way would be through a trade.

 

[Balco]

As the deal is constructed, the Nets have to do that deal for Carmelo (and Augustin).PG: Farmar, AugustinSG: Terrence Williams, Anthony MorrowSF: Carmelo Anthony, Travis OutlawPF: Troy Murphy, Kris HumphriesC: Brook Lopez, Johan PetroThat is a solid team. Favors has limitless potential, but right now, it is potential. He could be Jermaine O'Neal in 2-3 years, or he could be Stromile Swift. Who knows. Carmelo is a known commodity. The huge wild card is Terrence Williams, whose experiment as a ball handler failed miserably in the summer. The Nets outside and midrange shooting was an embarrassment last year, causing teams to simply collapse on Brook Lopez. With shooters like Anthony Morrow, Troy Murphy, and DJ Augustin spreading the floor, Lopez will be a monster. That is a playoff team if the trade is made.

I don't think this team could beat Melo's team last year.

Any team relying on Farmar to be your starting PG is asking for trouble. No way this team is better than Melo's Nuggets.

PG is the weakness assuming it goes through - TWill is a very good young scorer who I think will be very solid...Morrow is a lethal shooter...Outlaw a great 3/4 off the bench...Murphy a very solid PF who shoots and boards...plus a top 5 Center in Lopez....this team would compete for a 4-5 seed in the East. With the max money they have next year look for them to try to add a top PG to take the next step.

Re-read the description of all those players.... one word you didn't use once was DEFENSE!!As a Warrior fan scoring can only get you so far, especially when this team looks like one with no real PG to distribute the ball. Will they still have enough for a max player?Murphy is expiring at 11 million.... not sure they can sign a MAX player with the money left. Only way would be through a trade.

Wonder if Melo will try to convince Paul to make a push for a Jersey trade? Paul, Melo, and Brook Lopez? Interesting.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Re-read the description of all those players.... one word you didn't use once was DEFENSE!!

Right. With Melo, the Nets seem to be a 7 or 8 seed in the East. Miami, Orlando, Boston, Atlanta, Chicago and Milwaukee are certainly better.

 

[Gr00vus]

Carmello will sign an extension with the NetsAfter multiple reports the Nets were in "discussions" regarding a trade that would bring Carmelo Anthony to New Jersey, there's late word from the Daily News' Stefan Bondy that Anthony has agreed to sign an extension with the Nets. That would clear the final hurdle for the biggest Nets' trade in a decade. The deal, which could go down Saturday, Bondy reports, involves the Nets, Nuggets, Jazz and Bobcats.As reported, the trade would deliver Derrick Favors, Andrei Kirilenko and two first-round picks (including the Warriors 2012 pick) to Denver in exchange for Anthony. The deal also would send Devin Harris and Jarvis Hayes to Charlotte, with Boris Diaw and Quinton Ross moving to Utah. The deal couldn't be consummated unless 'Melo agreed to a sign-and-trade in which he agreed to accept a $65 million, three year extension. Another possible hold up: the Bobcats are reluctant to give up Augustin, but that isn't seen as a dealbreaker

How does this help Utah? I'm not saying it doesn't, I just am not aware of the particulars of their situation. Is it a salary dump thing with Kirilenko? Do they like Quentin Ross? Do they just want Anthony out of their division?

 

[Kiddnets]

Carmello will sign an extension with the NetsAfter multiple reports the Nets were in "discussions" regarding a trade that would bring Carmelo Anthony to New Jersey, there's late word from the Daily News' Stefan Bondy that Anthony has agreed to sign an extension with the Nets. That would clear the final hurdle for the biggest Nets' trade in a decade. The deal, which could go down Saturday, Bondy reports, involves the Nets, Nuggets, Jazz and Bobcats.As reported, the trade would deliver Derrick Favors, Andrei Kirilenko and two first-round picks (including the Warriors 2012 pick) to Denver in exchange for Anthony. The deal also would send Devin Harris and Jarvis Hayes to Charlotte, with Boris Diaw and Quinton Ross moving to Utah. The deal couldn't be consummated unless 'Melo agreed to a sign-and-trade in which he agreed to accept a $65 million, three year extension. Another possible hold up: the Bobcats are reluctant to give up Augustin, but that isn't seen as a dealbreaker

How does this help Utah? I'm not saying it doesn't, I just am not aware of the particulars of their situation. Is it a salary dump thing with Kirilenko? Do they like Quentin Ross? Do they just want Anthony out of their division?

I believe I read its a salary dump from Utah to get them out of luxury tax...

 

[cubd8]

Carmello will sign an extension with the NetsAfter multiple reports the Nets were in "discussions" regarding a trade that would bring Carmelo Anthony to New Jersey, there's late word from the Daily News' Stefan Bondy that Anthony has agreed to sign an extension with the Nets. That would clear the final hurdle for the biggest Nets' trade in a decade. The deal, which could go down Saturday, Bondy reports, involves the Nets, Nuggets, Jazz and Bobcats.As reported, the trade would deliver Derrick Favors, Andrei Kirilenko and two first-round picks (including the Warriors 2012 pick) to Denver in exchange for Anthony. The deal also would send Devin Harris and Jarvis Hayes to Charlotte, with Boris Diaw and Quinton Ross moving to Utah. The deal couldn't be consummated unless 'Melo agreed to a sign-and-trade in which he agreed to accept a $65 million, three year extension. Another possible hold up: the Bobcats are reluctant to give up Augustin, but that isn't seen as a dealbreaker

How does this help Utah? I'm not saying it doesn't, I just am not aware of the particulars of their situation. Is it a salary dump thing with Kirilenko? Do they like Quentin Ross? Do they just want Anthony out of their division?

From the Salt Lake Tribune: The Jazz would trade Kirilenko and his $17.8 million expiring contract to the Nuggets, with Utah obtaining Diaw, who is set to make $9 million each of the next two seasons. The Jazz reportedly would also receive New Jersey guard Quinton Ross.The Jazz have shown interest in Diaw in the past, a league source said, but have previously been unable to pull off a deal for the seventh-year forward who has also played for Phoenix and Atlanta.Diaw struggled at times the last two years, though, and has often been viewed as playing out of shape.If Utah moves Kirilenko, it would primarily be a cost-saving move. The small-market Jazz are above the NBA’s salary cap ($58 million) and luxury tax ($70 million), and are expected to possess a 2010-11 roster valued at about $75 million unless the team makes changes before training camp begins next Tuesday. Utah is forced to pay $1 for every dollar it is above the cap, limiting the team’s ability to sign high-caliber players.Trading Kirilenko and acquiring Diaw and Ross would bring Utah slightly below the tax, putting the Jazz in an ideal position with a new Collective Bargaining Agreement and a possible lockout looming this summer. The move would also likely improve the team’s long-term chances of keeping All-Star guard Deron Williams.Kirilenko, 29, has averaged 12.4 points, 5.7 rebounds, 2.8 assists and 2.1 blocks during his career. His production has slipped in recent years, though, as he has struggled with injuries and inconsistency.

 

[Courtjester]

The more I read about the deal the more I am actually excited about seeing Anthony go.

Denver is going to be small--no doubt.

Favors is 6'10

Ak47 is 6'9

Harrington is 6'9

Kmart is 6'9

Anderson is 6'10

Nene is 6'10

Sims is the only big guy at 7'0 and he might not make the team

They are going to have to run and gun to be competitive.

But the great part of this besides the two 1st rounders is the tons of $$$ that would come off the books with K-Mart/AK's contracts expiring.

They would be under the cap, able to sign FA and still have picks to build through the draft. Sort of exciting vs if no deal is made and us Denver fans have to sit through every game with the main story being where will Anthony go and him walking without the team getting squat. This could work.

 

[Kev4029]

The more I read about the deal the more I am actually excited about seeing Anthony go.Denver is going to be small--no doubt.Favors is 6'10Ak47 is 6'9Harrington is 6'9Kmart is 6'9Anderson is 6'10Nene is 6'10Sims is the only big guy at 7'0 and he might not make the teamThey are going to have to run and gun to be competitive.But the great part of this besides the two 1st rounders is the tons of $$$ that would come off the books with K-Mart/AK's contracts expiring. They would be under the cap, able to sign FA and still have picks to build through the draft. Sort of exciting vs if no deal is made and us Denver fans have to sit through every game with the main story being where will Anthony go and him walking without the team getting squat. This could work.

They didn't get any shorter with this trade and actually gained some height, I'm not as worried about size as I am about giving Billups, JR and Harrington the green light to fire away. It does seem like JR plays better when Melo is out, so hopefully he can step up a bit. This trade is ripe for the Ewing theory, I still think this team wins 45+ games with AK as the starting sf.

 

[ffldrew]

The more I read about the deal the more I am actually excited about seeing Anthony go.Denver is going to be small--no doubt.Favors is 6'10Ak47 is 6'9Harrington is 6'9Kmart is 6'9Anderson is 6'10Nene is 6'10Sims is the only big guy at 7'0 and he might not make the teamThey are going to have to run and gun to be competitive.But the great part of this besides the two 1st rounders is the tons of $$$ that would come off the books with K-Mart/AK's contracts expiring. They would be under the cap, able to sign FA and still have picks to build through the draft. Sort of exciting vs if no deal is made and us Denver fans have to sit through every game with the main story being where will Anthony go and him walking without the team getting squat. This could work.

They didn't get any shorter with this trade and actually gained some height, I'm not as worried about size as I am about giving Billups, JR and Harrington the green light to fire away. It does seem like JR plays better when Melo is out, so hopefully he can step up a bit. This trade is ripe for the Ewing theory, I still think this team wins 45+ games with AK as the starting sf.

There are some good combinations up front to work with here - better then before- AK and Kmart(when healthy) are good on D - Anderson is good on D help as well. And the rotations will allow Favors to get the work he needs to build his confidence. A big guy would be nice though - and in all the years here in Denver I'd love to see a solid scoring SG once - just once - JR is not it. The real key in all this is that they have a ton of expiring contracts and will be able to rework the team more freely in 2 years when the NBA starts back up. If anything was learned in the NHL lockout by the Avs(a Kronke product as well) it's that you can't be at the top of the salary heap when the salary hammer comes down - it's way too disruptive and takes 3-4 years to get a team that can be rebuilt.

 

[Kev4029]

The more I read about the deal the more I am actually excited about seeing Anthony go.Denver is going to be small--no doubt.Favors is 6'10Ak47 is 6'9Harrington is 6'9Kmart is 6'9Anderson is 6'10Nene is 6'10Sims is the only big guy at 7'0 and he might not make the teamThey are going to have to run and gun to be competitive.But the great part of this besides the two 1st rounders is the tons of $$$ that would come off the books with K-Mart/AK's contracts expiring. They would be under the cap, able to sign FA and still have picks to build through the draft. Sort of exciting vs if no deal is made and us Denver fans have to sit through every game with the main story being where will Anthony go and him walking without the team getting squat. This could work.

They didn't get any shorter with this trade and actually gained some height, I'm not as worried about size as I am about giving Billups, JR and Harrington the green light to fire away. It does seem like JR plays better when Melo is out, so hopefully he can step up a bit. This trade is ripe for the Ewing theory, I still think this team wins 45+ games with AK as the starting sf.

There are some good combinations up front to work with here - better then before- AK and Kmart(when healthy) are good on D - Anderson is good on D help as well. And the rotations will allow Favors to get the work he needs to build his confidence. A big guy would be nice though - and in all the years here in Denver I'd love to see a solid scoring SG once - just once - JR is not it. The real key in all this is that they have a ton of expiring contracts and will be able to rework the team more freely in 2 years when the NBA starts back up. If anything was learned in the NHL lockout by the Avs(a Kronke product as well) it's that you can't be at the top of the salary heap when the salary hammer comes down - it's way too disruptive and takes 3-4 years to get a team that can be rebuilt.

Definitely agree about the salary cap stuff.JR two years ago was a consistant solid scoring shooting guard and I still think he can be a 20 ppg guy, but for some reason a couple months in the pokey last summer made him completely lose his shooting touch. With melo gone and JR in a contract year, he is going to be uber motivated to show that he can be a consistant player, if he can't get it done this year its never coming together for him and the nuggets can let hime go.

 

[simmonjm]

The plot thickens.................................................

from RealGM

Contrary to an earlier report, Carmelo Anthony reportedly has not yet decided whether to agree to a long-term contract with the Nets.

"The Daily News reported Friday night that Anthony had consented to the trade. A person close to Anthony said that decision had not been made," wrote Howard Beck of The New York Times. "The person requested anonymity because he did not want to jeopardize his relationship with Anthony."

A four-team trade is near completion. But Anthony essentially holds veto power because New Jersey will not part with significant assets unless Anthony agrees to a contract extension with the team.

Read more: http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/692.../#ixzz10Yh9FAJ9

 

[Steelfan7]

The Nets went all in for Lebron who wasnt going anywhere but with Wade/Bosh....they passed on Lee's crazy salary; didnt want Amare's knees and missed out on Boozer - let's talk Amare in 2 years - you'll wish they signed Outlaw, Morrow and Farmar instead

I'll take Amare's All-Star level of play for the next two yrs over those stiffs any day.

get back to me in years 3, 4, 5 when hes on the sideline and Knicks in cap hell again......

Let me know how you feel about paying all those stiffs bloated contracts in the next 4 yrs.

Outlaw - 7Morrow - 4Farmar - 3.75Total: $14.75 per yearAmare - 99.7/5 yrs ~ 20 million per yearWhile I think Outlaw and Farmar are overpaid, all 3 of those guys are worthy of rotation player minutes for most NBA teams. Outlaw and Morrow could possibly be in the starting lineup depending on what position a team's alpha dog plays so I don't think committing 15 million or about 1/4th of your team's money up to the luxury tax (68 million) for 3/8ths of your teams rotation is a bad investment. Also, those 3 guys will still be UNDER 30 (Morrow and Farmar will be 27 and 26) when their deals expire so they should play at the same level or improve vs Amare who will finish his deal out at 32, which means he's likely on the decline of his career. This should be a major concern because his game is based on superior athletic ability.

The Nets overpaid for role players. Rebuilding teams who won less than 20 games should not be signing role players for that kind of money. I'll take Amare's talent at his money over the talent and money spent on those role players. Isiah wrote the book on overpaying role players and as a Knicks fan the Nets moves smell of Isiah's desperation moves.

 

[Steelfan7]

The Nets went all in for Lebron who wasnt going anywhere but with Wade/Bosh....they passed on Lee's crazy salary; didnt want Amare's knees and missed out on Boozer - let's talk Amare in 2 years - you'll wish they signed Outlaw, Morrow and Farmar instead

I'll take Amare's All-Star level of play for the next two yrs over those stiffs any day.

get back to me in years 3, 4, 5 when hes on the sideline and Knicks in cap hell again......

Let me know how you feel about paying all those stiffs bloated contracts in the next 4 yrs.

Outlaw was a terrible signing, no doubt, and it will definitely bite them in the ### for the next couple offseasons. Farmer is a backup pg and got backup pg money, didn't get a good deal, but close to what he deserved. Morrow was a steal, he's te best shooter in the nba and still young, he's very comparable in terms of talent to Gallo. I love homers.

Morrow is a gunner and nothing more. He can't sniff Gallo's jock.

 

[simmonjm]

The Nets overpaid for role players. Rebuilding teams who won less than 20 games should not be signing role players for that kind of money. I'll take Amare's talent at his money over the talent and money spent on those role players. Isiah wrote the book on overpaying role players and as a Knicks fan the Nets moves smell of Isiah's desperation moves.

Problem is when your a small franchise and only win 12 games you have to overpay for FA's. No way around it unless you get a superstar or two.

 

[Steelfan7]

As the deal is constructed, the Nets have to do that deal for Carmelo (and Augustin).PG: Farmar, AugustinSG: Terrence Williams, Anthony MorrowSF: Carmelo Anthony, Travis OutlawPF: Troy Murphy, Kris HumphriesC: Brook Lopez, Johan PetroThat is a solid team. Favors has limitless potential, but right now, it is potential. He could be Jermaine O'Neal in 2-3 years, or he could be Stromile Swift. Who knows. Carmelo is a known commodity. The huge wild card is Terrence Williams, whose experiment as a ball handler failed miserably in the summer. The Nets outside and midrange shooting was an embarrassment last year, causing teams to simply collapse on Brook Lopez. With shooters like Anthony Morrow, Troy Murphy, and DJ Augustin spreading the floor, Lopez will be a monster. That is a playoff team if the trade is made.

I don't think this team could beat Melo's team last year.

Melo clearly is a money first, winning second type of guy, so I don't think he cares. And to be fair, Until Kenyon Martin got hurt and George Karl got cancer, the Nuggets were concensus number 2 in the west and some people were picking them to win the west.People are going to be surprised with the Nets I think. I see them as fighting with Boston and Chicago for the 3 seed behind Orlando and Miami.

You did state you love homers.

 

[simmonjm]

FWIW some Twitter updates on the Melo situation.

Chris_Broussard

Chris Broussard@Chris_Broussard: I'm told Denver's dragging its feet, not sure it wants to go ahead and make the deal. Waiting game from this point on.

Sep 25, 2010 @ 02:20 AM from web

STEIN_LINE_HQ

Marc Stein@STEIN_LINE_HQ: But source says Melo hoping Knicks or Bulls, his top choices, lodge last-ditch trade bids this weekend. Melo really wants to play w/Amare

Sep 24, 2010 @ 10:31 PM from TweetDeck

SpearsNBAYahoo

Marc J. Spears@SpearsNBAYahoo: Melo has 48 hours to decide whether to agree to sign a extension in a trade with nets or stay put, a source tells Y! Sports.

Only way Melo comes to NY is in 2011, Nuggets wouldnt even enertain multiple teams into trade for Knicks like they did for Nets. So Melo will have to settle for NJ in 2010 or wait till 2011 and risk losing money due to new CBA. Not an easy choice.

 

[Kiddnets]

The Nets overpaid for role players. Rebuilding teams who won less than 20 games should not be signing role players for that kind of money. I'll take Amare's talent at his money over the talent and money spent on those role players. Isiah wrote the book on overpaying role players and as a Knicks fan the Nets moves smell of Isiah's desperation moves.

Problem is when your a small franchise and only win 12 games you have to overpay for FA's. No way around it unless you get a superstar or two.

that is true - when you are not one of the elite destinations you have to overpay. Also remember there is a cap floor...Nets had to spend some money to get over it. They still have cap rom for 2 max players next season so they are in great cap shape

 

[Kiddnets]

FWIW some Twitter updates on the Melo situation. Chris_BroussardChris Broussard@Chris_Broussard: I'm told Denver's dragging its feet, not sure it wants to go ahead and make the deal. Waiting game from this point on.Sep 25, 2010 @ 02:20 AM from web STEIN_LINE_HQMarc Stein@STEIN_LINE_HQ: But source says Melo hoping Knicks or Bulls, his top choices, lodge last-ditch trade bids this weekend. Melo really wants to play w/AmareSep 24, 2010 @ 10:31 PM from TweetDeck SpearsNBAYahooMarc J. Spears@SpearsNBAYahoo: Melo has 48 hours to decide whether to agree to sign a extension in a trade with nets or stay put, a source tells Y! Sports.Only way Melo comes to NY is in 2011, Nuggets wouldnt even enertain multiple teams into trade for Knicks like they did for Nets. So Melo will have to settle for NJ in 2010 or wait till 2011 and risk losing money due to new CBA. Not an easy choice.

If Melo gets cold feet and doesnt want to come then so be it...but Denver waffling to get a better deal is insane. The Nets have to end this madness one way or another - hopefully they put a 48 hour window and if it doesnt happen move on.

 

[Max Power]

Jesus, the Bulls dropped the ball big time.This one is going to hurt.

Not really. Bulls just can't lose Noah and expect to beat Boston/Miami/Orlando.I'm sure they offered all the packages they could without including Noah. Den just wasn't interested.

 

[simmonjm]

I apologize in advance if no one finds this interesting but...

Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks’ new international man of mystery, may have won the starting center job even before training camp begins.

A Knicks official says that Mozgov, the 7-1 rookie from St. Petersburg, Russia, has been impressive during voluntary training sessions in Greenburgh and that coach Mike D’Antoni is already considering starting Mozgov alongside Amar’e Stoudemire, Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler and Raymond Felton.

I have a hard time seeing Mozgov play more than 20 minutes because of fouls. I wonder if he is really that good or is it a lack of a credible big man on the roster, (im leaning towards the later).

 

[Kev4029]

I apologize in advance if no one finds this interesting but...Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks’ new international man of mystery, may have won the starting center job even before training camp begins.A Knicks official says that Mozgov, the 7-1 rookie from St. Petersburg, Russia, has been impressive during voluntary training sessions in Greenburgh and that coach Mike D’Antoni is already considering starting Mozgov alongside Amar’e Stoudemire, Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler and Raymond Felton.I have a hard time seeing Mozgov play more than 20 minutes because of fouls. I wonder if he is really that good or is it a lack of a credible big man on the roster, (im leaning towards the later).

That would be just about the biggest team I've ever seen. I can't imagine that it fits with D'Antoni's scheme though.

 

[Kiddnets]

Denver is getting cute or stupid.....they may blow this....Monday or move on IMO!

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By the time Monday morning arrives, these furious final days of negotiations between Denver, Utah, Charlotte and New Jersey might indeed result in Carmelo Anthony becoming a member of the Nets.

But according to two sources close to the situation, the Nuggets -- who stand to acquire Nets rookie forward Derrick Favors, Utah forward Andrei Kirilenko and two first-round draft picks from New Jersey in the deal -- are compromising the trade with their slow-moving ways.

No key figure is growing more impatient than Nets general manager Billy King, who is determined to get the deal done by Monday and unclear on why new Denver general manager Masai Ujiri is fielding calls from teams like Cleveland and Indiana that are attempting to get involved in the trade. Ujiri, who was an assistant general manager with the Raptors and just experienced the ill-fated Chris Bosh departure to Miami, is clearly attempting to exhaust more options before agreeing to the deal.

At this advanced stage of the talks however, it's a dangerous tactic.

Because it appears Anthony would sign the three-year, $65 million extension with the Nets that is certainly a precursor to their involvement, Denver's insistence on exploring other avenues while not tending more closely to the situation at hand means they could lose one of the few Anthony suitors who fits all the necessary qualifications. Only so many teams are realistically in the running for Anthony, of course, as his agreement to an extension is an obvious precursor to a deal. Sources say he has warmed to the notion of the Nets after the likes of New York, Chicago, the Clippers and perhaps even Houston were originally more preferable.

'Melo to the Nets?

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• Trade Could Send Anthony to N.J.

• Can Nuggets Afford to Wait?

• Ranking the Suitors

Secondly, the highly-publicized nature of the talks has increased the tensions for all involved, with the Nets, Bobcats and Jazz eager to finalize the trade so the uncomfortable situation doesn't loom over their current players' heads during training camp. The smart play for the Nuggets might well have been to quietly let the many 'Melo possibilities unfold, but their choice to travel this far down this road is making the pragmatic approach problematic.

It's unclear whether Charlotte would send point guard D.J. Augustin to the Nets in the deal, though they are pushing for help at the position in light of Devin Harris' planned exit to the Bobcats. Utah is expected to receive small forward Boris Diaw from Charlotte.

Numerous reports also have Utah acquiring Quinton Ross and the Bobcats getting Jarvis Hayes via sign-and-trade. The Nuggets' two first-round picks acquired would be from New Jersey (their 2011 pick and a 2012 pick from Golden State that is protected at spots one through seven).

 

[Mile High]

Denver is getting cute or stupid.....they may blow this....Monday or move on IMO! Denver's Delay in Carmelo Anthony Talks Threatening Deal1CommentsSay Something ».9/25/2010 5:09 PM ET By Sam Amick AText SizePrint this page|EmailShare on FacebookShare on TwitterShare on DiggShare on LifestreamSam AmickSenior NBA WriterBy the time Monday morning arrives, these furious final days of negotiations between Denver, Utah, Charlotte and New Jersey might indeed result in Carmelo Anthony becoming a member of the Nets.But according to two sources close to the situation, the Nuggets -- who stand to acquire Nets rookie forward Derrick Favors, Utah forward Andrei Kirilenko and two first-round draft picks from New Jersey in the deal -- are compromising the trade with their slow-moving ways.No key figure is growing more impatient than Nets general manager Billy King, who is determined to get the deal done by Monday and unclear on why new Denver general manager Masai Ujiri is fielding calls from teams like Cleveland and Indiana that are attempting to get involved in the trade. Ujiri, who was an assistant general manager with the Raptors and just experienced the ill-fated Chris Bosh departure to Miami, is clearly attempting to exhaust more options before agreeing to the deal.At this advanced stage of the talks however, it's a dangerous tactic. Because it appears Anthony would sign the three-year, $65 million extension with the Nets that is certainly a precursor to their involvement, Denver's insistence on exploring other avenues while not tending more closely to the situation at hand means they could lose one of the few Anthony suitors who fits all the necessary qualifications. Only so many teams are realistically in the running for Anthony, of course, as his agreement to an extension is an obvious precursor to a deal. Sources say he has warmed to the notion of the Nets after the likes of New York, Chicago, the Clippers and perhaps even Houston were originally more preferable. 'Melo to the Nets?--------------------------------------------------------------------------------• Trade Could Send Anthony to N.J.• Can Nuggets Afford to Wait?• Ranking the SuitorsSecondly, the highly-publicized nature of the talks has increased the tensions for all involved, with the Nets, Bobcats and Jazz eager to finalize the trade so the uncomfortable situation doesn't loom over their current players' heads during training camp. The smart play for the Nuggets might well have been to quietly let the many 'Melo possibilities unfold, but their choice to travel this far down this road is making the pragmatic approach problematic.It's unclear whether Charlotte would send point guard D.J. Augustin to the Nets in the deal, though they are pushing for help at the position in light of Devin Harris' planned exit to the Bobcats. Utah is expected to receive small forward Boris Diaw from Charlotte.Numerous reports also have Utah acquiring Quinton Ross and the Bobcats getting Jarvis Hayes via sign-and-trade. The Nuggets' two first-round picks acquired would be from New Jersey (their 2011 pick and a 2012 pick from Golden State that is protected at spots one through seven).

No surprise. One of the biggest local criticism of the Nuggets is that there is really no one in charge.

 

[Kiddnets]

Denver is getting cute or stupid.....they may blow this....Monday or move on IMO! Denver's Delay in Carmelo Anthony Talks Threatening Deal1CommentsSay Something ».9/25/2010 5:09 PM ET By Sam Amick AText SizePrint this page|EmailShare on FacebookShare on TwitterShare on DiggShare on LifestreamSam AmickSenior NBA WriterBy the time Monday morning arrives, these furious final days of negotiations between Denver, Utah, Charlotte and New Jersey might indeed result in Carmelo Anthony becoming a member of the Nets.But according to two sources close to the situation, the Nuggets -- who stand to acquire Nets rookie forward Derrick Favors, Utah forward Andrei Kirilenko and two first-round draft picks from New Jersey in the deal -- are compromising the trade with their slow-moving ways.No key figure is growing more impatient than Nets general manager Billy King, who is determined to get the deal done by Monday and unclear on why new Denver general manager Masai Ujiri is fielding calls from teams like Cleveland and Indiana that are attempting to get involved in the trade. Ujiri, who was an assistant general manager with the Raptors and just experienced the ill-fated Chris Bosh departure to Miami, is clearly attempting to exhaust more options before agreeing to the deal.At this advanced stage of the talks however, it's a dangerous tactic. Because it appears Anthony would sign the three-year, $65 million extension with the Nets that is certainly a precursor to their involvement, Denver's insistence on exploring other avenues while not tending more closely to the situation at hand means they could lose one of the few Anthony suitors who fits all the necessary qualifications. Only so many teams are realistically in the running for Anthony, of course, as his agreement to an extension is an obvious precursor to a deal. Sources say he has warmed to the notion of the Nets after the likes of New York, Chicago, the Clippers and perhaps even Houston were originally more preferable. 'Melo to the Nets?--------------------------------------------------------------------------------• Trade Could Send Anthony to N.J.• Can Nuggets Afford to Wait?• Ranking the SuitorsSecondly, the highly-publicized nature of the talks has increased the tensions for all involved, with the Nets, Bobcats and Jazz eager to finalize the trade so the uncomfortable situation doesn't loom over their current players' heads during training camp. The smart play for the Nuggets might well have been to quietly let the many 'Melo possibilities unfold, but their choice to travel this far down this road is making the pragmatic approach problematic.It's unclear whether Charlotte would send point guard D.J. Augustin to the Nets in the deal, though they are pushing for help at the position in light of Devin Harris' planned exit to the Bobcats. Utah is expected to receive small forward Boris Diaw from Charlotte.Numerous reports also have Utah acquiring Quinton Ross and the Bobcats getting Jarvis Hayes via sign-and-trade. The Nuggets' two first-round picks acquired would be from New Jersey (their 2011 pick and a 2012 pick from Golden State that is protected at spots one through seven).

No surprise. One of the biggest local criticism of the Nuggets is that there is really no one in charge.

does this guy really think he is going to do better?

 

[Green94]

Jesus, the Bulls dropped the ball big time.This one is going to hurt.

Not really. Bulls just can't lose Noah and expect to beat Boston/Miami/Orlando.I'm sure they offered all the packages they could without including Noah. Den just wasn't interested.

The Bulls aren't going to compete with those teams WITH Noah. Deng/Noah/Draft Pick for Anthony is nothing but a win for Chicago. They've been trying to get out from Deng's contract ever since they signed it.

 

[Daywalker]

Denver is getting cute or stupid.....they may blow this....Monday or move on IMO! Denver's Delay in Carmelo Anthony Talks Threatening Deal1CommentsSay Something ».9/25/2010 5:09 PM ET By Sam Amick AText SizePrint this page|EmailShare on FacebookShare on TwitterShare on DiggShare on LifestreamSam AmickSenior NBA WriterBy the time Monday morning arrives, these furious final days of negotiations between Denver, Utah, Charlotte and New Jersey might indeed result in Carmelo Anthony becoming a member of the Nets.But according to two sources close to the situation, the Nuggets -- who stand to acquire Nets rookie forward Derrick Favors, Utah forward Andrei Kirilenko and two first-round draft picks from New Jersey in the deal -- are compromising the trade with their slow-moving ways.No key figure is growing more impatient than Nets general manager Billy King, who is determined to get the deal done by Monday and unclear on why new Denver general manager Masai Ujiri is fielding calls from teams like Cleveland and Indiana that are attempting to get involved in the trade. Ujiri, who was an assistant general manager with the Raptors and just experienced the ill-fated Chris Bosh departure to Miami, is clearly attempting to exhaust more options before agreeing to the deal.At this advanced stage of the talks however, it's a dangerous tactic. Because it appears Anthony would sign the three-year, $65 million extension with the Nets that is certainly a precursor to their involvement, Denver's insistence on exploring other avenues while not tending more closely to the situation at hand means they could lose one of the few Anthony suitors who fits all the necessary qualifications. Only so many teams are realistically in the running for Anthony, of course, as his agreement to an extension is an obvious precursor to a deal. Sources say he has warmed to the notion of the Nets after the likes of New York, Chicago, the Clippers and perhaps even Houston were originally more preferable. 'Melo to the Nets?--------------------------------------------------------------------------------• Trade Could Send Anthony to N.J.• Can Nuggets Afford to Wait?• Ranking the SuitorsSecondly, the highly-publicized nature of the talks has increased the tensions for all involved, with the Nets, Bobcats and Jazz eager to finalize the trade so the uncomfortable situation doesn't loom over their current players' heads during training camp. The smart play for the Nuggets might well have been to quietly let the many 'Melo possibilities unfold, but their choice to travel this far down this road is making the pragmatic approach problematic.It's unclear whether Charlotte would send point guard D.J. Augustin to the Nets in the deal, though they are pushing for help at the position in light of Devin Harris' planned exit to the Bobcats. Utah is expected to receive small forward Boris Diaw from Charlotte.Numerous reports also have Utah acquiring Quinton Ross and the Bobcats getting Jarvis Hayes via sign-and-trade. The Nuggets' two first-round picks acquired would be from New Jersey (their 2011 pick and a 2012 pick from Golden State that is protected at spots one through seven).

No surprise. One of the biggest local criticism of the Nuggets is that there is really no one in charge.

does this guy really think he is going to do better?

Umm...could he do any worse?You are giving up a top 5-7 player in the league for Favors and trash. Not exactly a haul. Denver would be better off just calling Carmelo's bluff. Carmelo is 26. He has another 8-10 big money years in him. He is making 18+ mill/year now and will get more with each contract. If he becomes a FA he could very well be making 12-13 mill/year under the new CBA. That is huge money over the next 8-10 years. Never seen a player willing to leave that un the table. Carmelo will resign if he does not get traded and just angle to get traded his next contract in 3 years when the CBA is understood.Denver would be smart to call Carmelo's bluff. Either Carmelo will resign, they get a better offer for him or Carmelo walks. Missing out on Favors is worth the gamble.

 

[Kiddnets]

Denver is getting cute or stupid.....they may blow this....Monday or move on IMO! Denver's Delay in Carmelo Anthony Talks Threatening Deal1CommentsSay Something ».9/25/2010 5:09 PM ET By Sam Amick AText SizePrint this page|EmailShare on FacebookShare on TwitterShare on DiggShare on LifestreamSam AmickSenior NBA WriterBy the time Monday morning arrives, these furious final days of negotiations between Denver, Utah, Charlotte and New Jersey might indeed result in Carmelo Anthony becoming a member of the Nets.But according to two sources close to the situation, the Nuggets -- who stand to acquire Nets rookie forward Derrick Favors, Utah forward Andrei Kirilenko and two first-round draft picks from New Jersey in the deal -- are compromising the trade with their slow-moving ways.No key figure is growing more impatient than Nets general manager Billy King, who is determined to get the deal done by Monday and unclear on why new Denver general manager Masai Ujiri is fielding calls from teams like Cleveland and Indiana that are attempting to get involved in the trade. Ujiri, who was an assistant general manager with the Raptors and just experienced the ill-fated Chris Bosh departure to Miami, is clearly attempting to exhaust more options before agreeing to the deal.At this advanced stage of the talks however, it's a dangerous tactic. Because it appears Anthony would sign the three-year, $65 million extension with the Nets that is certainly a precursor to their involvement, Denver's insistence on exploring other avenues while not tending more closely to the situation at hand means they could lose one of the few Anthony suitors who fits all the necessary qualifications. Only so many teams are realistically in the running for Anthony, of course, as his agreement to an extension is an obvious precursor to a deal. Sources say he has warmed to the notion of the Nets after the likes of New York, Chicago, the Clippers and perhaps even Houston were originally more preferable. 'Melo to the Nets?--------------------------------------------------------------------------------• Trade Could Send Anthony to N.J.• Can Nuggets Afford to Wait?• Ranking the SuitorsSecondly, the highly-publicized nature of the talks has increased the tensions for all involved, with the Nets, Bobcats and Jazz eager to finalize the trade so the uncomfortable situation doesn't loom over their current players' heads during training camp. The smart play for the Nuggets might well have been to quietly let the many 'Melo possibilities unfold, but their choice to travel this far down this road is making the pragmatic approach problematic.It's unclear whether Charlotte would send point guard D.J. Augustin to the Nets in the deal, though they are pushing for help at the position in light of Devin Harris' planned exit to the Bobcats. Utah is expected to receive small forward Boris Diaw from Charlotte.Numerous reports also have Utah acquiring Quinton Ross and the Bobcats getting Jarvis Hayes via sign-and-trade. The Nuggets' two first-round picks acquired would be from New Jersey (their 2011 pick and a 2012 pick from Golden State that is protected at spots one through seven).

No surprise. One of the biggest local criticism of the Nuggets is that there is really no one in charge.

does this guy really think he is going to do better?

Umm...could he do any worse?You are giving up a top 5-7 player in the league for Favors and trash. Not exactly a haul. Denver would be better off just calling Carmelo's bluff. Carmelo is 26. He has another 8-10 big money years in him. He is making 18+ mill/year now and will get more with each contract. If he becomes a FA he could very well be making 12-13 mill/year under the new CBA. That is huge money over the next 8-10 years. Never seen a player willing to leave that un the table. Carmelo will resign if he does not get traded and just angle to get traded his next contract in 3 years when the CBA is understood.Denver would be smart to call Carmelo's bluff. Either Carmelo will resign, they get a better offer for him or Carmelo walks. Missing out on Favors is worth the gamble.

Really? Have you seen what teams get for disgruntled stars that want out...especially in a walk year? A prospect like Favors who went #3 overall plus a solid PF in Kirlinko with salary cap relief and 2 #1 pciks is a great haul for Denver.....Word is Nets going to bail soon if not locked in....will love to see what Denver eventually gets if that happens...if anything! He's not going to sign in Denver regardless...

 

[Daywalker]

Denver is getting cute or stupid.....they may blow this....Monday or move on IMO! Denver's Delay in Carmelo Anthony Talks Threatening Deal1CommentsSay Something ».9/25/2010 5:09 PM ET By Sam Amick AText SizePrint this page|EmailShare on FacebookShare on TwitterShare on DiggShare on LifestreamSam AmickSenior NBA WriterBy the time Monday morning arrives, these furious final days of negotiations between Denver, Utah, Charlotte and New Jersey might indeed result in Carmelo Anthony becoming a member of the Nets.But according to two sources close to the situation, the Nuggets -- who stand to acquire Nets rookie forward Derrick Favors, Utah forward Andrei Kirilenko and two first-round draft picks from New Jersey in the deal -- are compromising the trade with their slow-moving ways.No key figure is growing more impatient than Nets general manager Billy King, who is determined to get the deal done by Monday and unclear on why new Denver general manager Masai Ujiri is fielding calls from teams like Cleveland and Indiana that are attempting to get involved in the trade. Ujiri, who was an assistant general manager with the Raptors and just experienced the ill-fated Chris Bosh departure to Miami, is clearly attempting to exhaust more options before agreeing to the deal.At this advanced stage of the talks however, it's a dangerous tactic. Because it appears Anthony would sign the three-year, $65 million extension with the Nets that is certainly a precursor to their involvement, Denver's insistence on exploring other avenues while not tending more closely to the situation at hand means they could lose one of the few Anthony suitors who fits all the necessary qualifications. Only so many teams are realistically in the running for Anthony, of course, as his agreement to an extension is an obvious precursor to a deal. Sources say he has warmed to the notion of the Nets after the likes of New York, Chicago, the Clippers and perhaps even Houston were originally more preferable. 'Melo to the Nets?--------------------------------------------------------------------------------• Trade Could Send Anthony to N.J.• Can Nuggets Afford to Wait?• Ranking the SuitorsSecondly, the highly-publicized nature of the talks has increased the tensions for all involved, with the Nets, Bobcats and Jazz eager to finalize the trade so the uncomfortable situation doesn't loom over their current players' heads during training camp. The smart play for the Nuggets might well have been to quietly let the many 'Melo possibilities unfold, but their choice to travel this far down this road is making the pragmatic approach problematic.It's unclear whether Charlotte would send point guard D.J. Augustin to the Nets in the deal, though they are pushing for help at the position in light of Devin Harris' planned exit to the Bobcats. Utah is expected to receive small forward Boris Diaw from Charlotte.Numerous reports also have Utah acquiring Quinton Ross and the Bobcats getting Jarvis Hayes via sign-and-trade. The Nuggets' two first-round picks acquired would be from New Jersey (their 2011 pick and a 2012 pick from Golden State that is protected at spots one through seven).

No surprise. One of the biggest local criticism of the Nuggets is that there is really no one in charge.

does this guy really think he is going to do better?

Umm...could he do any worse?You are giving up a top 5-7 player in the league for Favors and trash. Not exactly a haul. Denver would be better off just calling Carmelo's bluff. Carmelo is 26. He has another 8-10 big money years in him. He is making 18+ mill/year now and will get more with each contract. If he becomes a FA he could very well be making 12-13 mill/year under the new CBA. That is huge money over the next 8-10 years. Never seen a player willing to leave that un the table. Carmelo will resign if he does not get traded and just angle to get traded his next contract in 3 years when the CBA is understood.Denver would be smart to call Carmelo's bluff. Either Carmelo will resign, they get a better offer for him or Carmelo walks. Missing out on Favors is worth the gamble.

Really? Have you seen what teams get for disgruntled stars that want out...especially in a walk year? A prospect like Favors who went #3 overall plus a solid PF in Kirlinko with salary cap relief and 2 #1 pciks is a great haul for Denver.....Word is Nets going to bail soon if not locked in....will love to see what Denver eventually gets if that happens...if anything! He's not going to sign in Denver regardless...

Kirilenko and non-lottery picks = Trash. Like I said I've never seen a 26-year-old player willing to leave 5-6 mill/year and possibly more on the table. Just doesn't happen.

 

[Masked Vigilante]

Jesus, the Bulls dropped the ball big time.This one is going to hurt.

Not really. Bulls just can't lose Noah and expect to beat Boston/Miami/Orlando.I'm sure they offered all the packages they could without including Noah. Den just wasn't interested.

I think a Rose/Anthony/Boozer trio would have been very solid.

 

[Kev4029]

Denver is getting cute or stupid.....they may blow this....Monday or move on IMO! Denver's Delay in Carmelo Anthony Talks Threatening Deal1CommentsSay Something ».9/25/2010 5:09 PM ET By Sam Amick AText SizePrint this page|EmailShare on FacebookShare on TwitterShare on DiggShare on LifestreamSam AmickSenior NBA WriterBy the time Monday morning arrives, these furious final days of negotiations between Denver, Utah, Charlotte and New Jersey might indeed result in Carmelo Anthony becoming a member of the Nets.But according to two sources close to the situation, the Nuggets -- who stand to acquire Nets rookie forward Derrick Favors, Utah forward Andrei Kirilenko and two first-round draft picks from New Jersey in the deal -- are compromising the trade with their slow-moving ways.No key figure is growing more impatient than Nets general manager Billy King, who is determined to get the deal done by Monday and unclear on why new Denver general manager Masai Ujiri is fielding calls from teams like Cleveland and Indiana that are attempting to get involved in the trade. Ujiri, who was an assistant general manager with the Raptors and just experienced the ill-fated Chris Bosh departure to Miami, is clearly attempting to exhaust more options before agreeing to the deal.At this advanced stage of the talks however, it's a dangerous tactic. Because it appears Anthony would sign the three-year, $65 million extension with the Nets that is certainly a precursor to their involvement, Denver's insistence on exploring other avenues while not tending more closely to the situation at hand means they could lose one of the few Anthony suitors who fits all the necessary qualifications. Only so many teams are realistically in the running for Anthony, of course, as his agreement to an extension is an obvious precursor to a deal. Sources say he has warmed to the notion of the Nets after the likes of New York, Chicago, the Clippers and perhaps even Houston were originally more preferable. 'Melo to the Nets?--------------------------------------------------------------------------------• Trade Could Send Anthony to N.J.• Can Nuggets Afford to Wait?• Ranking the SuitorsSecondly, the highly-publicized nature of the talks has increased the tensions for all involved, with the Nets, Bobcats and Jazz eager to finalize the trade so the uncomfortable situation doesn't loom over their current players' heads during training camp. The smart play for the Nuggets might well have been to quietly let the many 'Melo possibilities unfold, but their choice to travel this far down this road is making the pragmatic approach problematic.It's unclear whether Charlotte would send point guard D.J. Augustin to the Nets in the deal, though they are pushing for help at the position in light of Devin Harris' planned exit to the Bobcats. Utah is expected to receive small forward Boris Diaw from Charlotte.Numerous reports also have Utah acquiring Quinton Ross and the Bobcats getting Jarvis Hayes via sign-and-trade. The Nuggets' two first-round picks acquired would be from New Jersey (their 2011 pick and a 2012 pick from Golden State that is protected at spots one through seven).

No surprise. One of the biggest local criticism of the Nuggets is that there is really no one in charge.

does this guy really think he is going to do better?

Umm...could he do any worse?You are giving up a top 5-7 player in the league for Favors and trash. Not exactly a haul. Denver would be better off just calling Carmelo's bluff. Carmelo is 26. He has another 8-10 big money years in him. He is making 18+ mill/year now and will get more with each contract. If he becomes a FA he could very well be making 12-13 mill/year under the new CBA. That is huge money over the next 8-10 years. Never seen a player willing to leave that un the table. Carmelo will resign if he does not get traded and just angle to get traded his next contract in 3 years when the CBA is understood.Denver would be smart to call Carmelo's bluff. Either Carmelo will resign, they get a better offer for him or Carmelo walks. Missing out on Favors is worth the gamble.

Really? Have you seen what teams get for disgruntled stars that want out...especially in a walk year? A prospect like Favors who went #3 overall plus a solid PF in Kirlinko with salary cap relief and 2 #1 pciks is a great haul for Denver.....Word is Nets going to bail soon if not locked in....will love to see what Denver eventually gets if that happens...if anything! He's not going to sign in Denver regardless...

As reported, the trade forces the Nuggets to take on extra salary for both next year and the following 3 years.... cap relief is not part of the trade for the Nuggets unless they include JR or Anderson in the trade which has not be reported.

 

[Kev4029]

Really? Have you seen what teams get for disgruntled stars that want out...especially in a walk year? A prospect like Favors who went #3 overall plus a solid PF in Kirlinko with salary cap relief and 2 #1 pciks is a great haul for Denver.....Word is Nets going to bail soon if not locked in....will love to see what Denver eventually gets if that happens...if anything! He's not going to sign in Denver regardless...

Kirilenko and non-lottery picks = Trash. Like I said I've never seen a 26-year-old player willing to leave 5-6 mill/year and possibly more on the table. Just doesn't happen.

The GSW pick will likely be a lottery pick, and the NJN pick is the best the Nuggets could get from any team willing to trade their own picks for Melo. I would rather have a happy Melo than what they are getting, but its clear he wants out, and this is the best the Nuggets are going to get to stay in the playoffs this year and stay good into the future.

 

[Steelfan7]

Carmelo Anthony is continuing to push Denver to find a trade that will send him to the Knicks and has stepped back from a willingness to commit to the Nets. On Saturday, the Knicks were exploring ways to put together a package that might land Anthony.

Over the weekend, Anthony began having doubts about agreeing to a contract extension with the Nets. Yahoo! Sports reports that the four-team blockbuster that would send Anthony to New Jersey, which seemed to be gaining critical momentum on Friday night, is now at "a perilous crossroads."

Anthony’s desire to make a long-term commitment to the Nets started eroding when former Nets' players related their experiences with an empty arena, the apathy of fans, and the team playing in the shadow of the Knicks and Madison Square Garden. Anthony was already concerned about joining a team in New Jersey that would not be close to contention even with him on board.

"He’s having second thoughts on Jersey," a league source told Yahoo! Sports. "He’s pushed [Denver] to explore other options."

While the Nuggets still believe the deal with New Jersey gives them their best return, Denver engaged the Knicks on Saturday in discussions centered around Danilo Gallinari, Anthony Randolph and Toney Douglas, according to sources.

Sources indicated that the Knicks are working to pry draft picks to send the Nuggets in a deal for Anthony, and have contacted the Rockets for this purpose. Before last season's trade deadline, the Knicks sent their 2012 first-round pick to Houston, and agreed to swap picks with the Rockets in 2011, in a move to dump the contract of Jared Jeffries.

Via Yahoo! Sports

Read more: http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/692.../#ixzz10dJr8EzC

 

[Green94]

Jesus, the Bulls dropped the ball big time.This one is going to hurt.

Not really. Bulls just can't lose Noah and expect to beat Boston/Miami/Orlando.I'm sure they offered all the packages they could without including Noah. Den just wasn't interested.

I think a Rose/Anthony/Boozer trio would have been very solid.

Exactly, that trio could compete with Miami. What is the point of all of this if you aren't going to be able to beat the good teams?

 

[cubd8]

Jesus, the Bulls dropped the ball big time.This one is going to hurt.

Not really. Bulls just can't lose Noah and expect to beat Boston/Miami/Orlando.I'm sure they offered all the packages they could without including Noah. Den just wasn't interested.

I think a Rose/Anthony/Boozer trio would have been very solid.

Exactly, that trio could compete with Miami. What is the point of all of this if you aren't going to be able to beat the good teams?

Agreed. I get why they love Noah. He's a very good role player, but a team of Rose, Anthony and Boozer is more likely to win. I get that Thibeadeau loves his defensive schemes and Noah is the center in that, but I just don't think it makes sense to pass on a talent like Anthony as much as I love Noah. I think Paxson just loves his draft picks - Noah is the 2010 version of Luol Deng.

 

[biggamer3]

As a knicks fan I love the prospects of melo joining the team but giving up Ar and gallo is a bit much since I believe he would come as a fa next year and we keep those young assets

 

[Kiddnets]

If Im the Nets - Monday am or out - think by tonight we'll know - I'm fine either way

Carmelo Anthony is not sold on the Nets. In spite of a report he had agreed to sign an extension with New Jersey and the team's confidence he would agree to sign, Yahoo! Sports reports early Sunday that not only is Denver wavering, so is Anthony.

"Anthony’s willingness to accept a contract extension with the Nets has begun to deteriorate over the weekend," write Adrian Wojnarowski and Marc J. Spears. "Sources said at least some part of his uneasiness has come from conversations with former Nets players around the league."

Anthony has been told that despite new ownership and a new arena, there's "empty seats, fan apathy and second-class citizenship in the shadows of the Knicks."

So, Anthony has been pressing team management to get him a deal with the Knicks, among others, staying in constant contact with them. Meanwhile, multiple reports out of New Jersey, New York and Colorado suggest the deal will either succeed or collapse on Sunday. One thing is certain: the Nets are willing to make as many moves as necessary to get agreements from Anthony and the Nuggets so they can make the the three-time all-Star the face of their franchise.

 

[Kev4029]

Jesus, the Bulls dropped the ball big time.

This one is going to hurt.

Not really. Bulls just can't lose Noah and expect to beat Boston/Miami/Orlando.I'm sure they offered all the packages they could without including Noah. Den just wasn't interested.

I think a Rose/Anthony/Boozer trio would have been very solid.

Exactly, that trio could compete with Miami. What is the point of all of this if you aren't going to be able to beat the good teams?

Seriously?How do you figure that Melo, Rose and Boozer would be able to even come close to competing with the Heat? They have arguably the worst star PG, SF and PF in terms of defense. I'm sure that team could score 110 a game, but they would be a horrible defensive team. As it stands now, I think the Bulls might be the most overrated team in the NBA, so I would definitely pull the trigger on the trade if I'm the Bulls, but they would need to wait a year and acquire a good C before getting to the Heat's level.

 

[Kev4029]

If Im the Nets - Monday am or out - think by tonight we'll know - I'm fine either wayCarmelo Anthony is not sold on the Nets. In spite of a report he had agreed to sign an extension with New Jersey and the team's confidence he would agree to sign, Yahoo! Sports reports early Sunday that not only is Denver wavering, so is Anthony."Anthony’s willingness to accept a contract extension with the Nets has begun to deteriorate over the weekend," write Adrian Wojnarowski and Marc J. Spears. "Sources said at least some part of his uneasiness has come from conversations with former Nets players around the league."Anthony has been told that despite new ownership and a new arena, there's "empty seats, fan apathy and second-class citizenship in the shadows of the Knicks." So, Anthony has been pressing team management to get him a deal with the Knicks, among others, staying in constant contact with them. Meanwhile, multiple reports out of New Jersey, New York and Colorado suggest the deal will either succeed or collapse on Sunday. One thing is certain: the Nets are willing to make as many moves as necessary to get agreements from Anthony and the Nuggets so they can make the the three-time all-Star the face of their franchise.

I think the Nuggets organization and Melo's people are both dropping the ball here. If Melo wants out this year, I think this is his one and only chance, there is no way the Nuggets are taking the crap NY has to offer, and Luol Deng's contract is terrible so there is no way he is going to find his way in Denver. As for Denver, this is the best offer they are going to find, take it and be happy.ETA: Noah is looking for a 5 year 70 million dollar contract, what a joke, Deng's bad contract plus Noah's bad contract is a good way to run a franchise into the ground.

 

[Courtjester]

Really? Have you seen what teams get for disgruntled stars that want out...especially in a walk year? A prospect like Favors who went #3 overall plus a solid PF in Kirlinko with salary cap relief and 2 #1 pciks is a great haul for Denver.....Word is Nets going to bail soon if not locked in....will love to see what Denver eventually gets if that happens...if anything! He's not going to sign in Denver regardless...

Kirilenko and non-lottery picks = Trash. Like I said I've never seen a 26-year-old player willing to leave 5-6 mill/year and possibly more on the table. Just doesn't happen.

The GSW pick will likely be a lottery pick, and the NJN pick is the best the Nuggets could get from any team willing to trade their own picks for Melo. I would rather have a happy Melo than what they are getting, but its clear he wants out, and this is the best the Nuggets are going to get to stay in the playoffs this year and stay good into the future.

And there will be cap relief next year because AK's 18 million as well as K-Mart's number both come off the books.

 

[Kev4029]

Really? Have you seen what teams get for disgruntled stars that want out...especially in a walk year? A prospect like Favors who went #3 overall plus a solid PF in Kirlinko with salary cap relief and 2 #1 pciks is a great haul for Denver.....Word is Nets going to bail soon if not locked in....will love to see what Denver eventually gets if that happens...if anything! He's not going to sign in Denver regardless...

Kirilenko and non-lottery picks = Trash. Like I said I've never seen a 26-year-old player willing to leave 5-6 mill/year and possibly more on the table. Just doesn't happen.

The GSW pick will likely be a lottery pick, and the NJN pick is the best the Nuggets could get from any team willing to trade their own picks for Melo. I would rather have a happy Melo than what they are getting, but its clear he wants out, and this is the best the Nuggets are going to get to stay in the playoffs this year and stay good into the future.

And there will be cap relief next year because AK's 18 million as well as K-Mart's number both come off the books.

They aren't getting relief from the trade, they have the cap relief without the trade. With or without the trade they are in great cap shape.