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Juxtatarot said:
whitem0nkey said:
the refs need to start calling fouls when rose gets hacked. he gets beat up so much while attacking the rim and does not get the calls. he is going to the line just about 5 times a games.
Rose has mentioned that he grew up learning to avoid fouls since they wouldn't be called at the playground. He's also so strong that he doesn't show a reaction to being hit like many other guards. I don't think he's being treated unfairly these days. I would have agreed you during his rookie year, however.
A great win last night. Gibson and Noah grabbed 35 boards and the Bulls were +25. It was great they posted up Gibson early. Whether Gibson or Boozer, they need to do that early every game. King was doing a lot of complaining about Rose not getting calls last night and I think there is some substance to that. As Juxtatarot mentioned, Rose doesn't show any reaction to getting fouled. He is so strong and touch that it seems as though he isn't being fouled. He was cut deep on the bridge of his nose by Dirk and then smacked in the back of the head by Marion later and showed little reaction to either. I do think that is why he isn't seeing the line a couple extra trips a game.
 
So have Knick fans given up on trading for Melo this year? Chandler is playing the same as always (other than a HUGE uptick in blocks, which is weird), Gallinari has lost his stroke, Randolph is showing that he is never going to amount to anything, the only young guy playing well is Fields.

I haven't looked into the Knicks cap situation until today, they are on the hook for about 42.5 million next year plus a $3.1 million dollar qualifying offer for Wilson Chandler. To get Melo in free agency, assuming the CBA stays similar to what it is now, they would have to start giving players away again. Unless Melo wants to take less than the Max, his only options as of right now (cap wise) are stay in Denver, go to NJ, Indiana, Memphis, Minnesota, OKC or Sacramento.
Gallo has found his stroke. AR is not going to be a franchise type player like some Knicks fans were hyping him to be, but the season is young and he's coming off an ankle injury. He can become an energy type of guy who can defend and rebound. I believe the Knicks will have cap room to sign Melo. Felton is a young guy and is playing very well.
Here is their cap situation, The Column on the left is from hoops world and the column on the right is hoops hype.Amar'e Stoudemire $18,232,500 $18,217,705

Raymond Felton $8,316,000 $7,500,000

Ronny Turiaf $4,100,000 $4,360,000

Danilo Gallinari $4,190,182 $4,190,182

Timofey Mozgov $3,240,000 $2,566,800

Wilson Chandler $3,099,851 $3,099,851

Anthony Randolph $2,911,231 $2,911,231

Toney Douglas $1,145,640 $1,145,640

Bill Walker $916,100 $916,100

Andy Rautins $788,872 $788,872

Landry Fields $788,872 $788,872

TOTAL $44,629,397 $43,385,402

The total is including everybody except Chandler. Chandler's salary above is his qualifying offer. Bill Walker's Salary is a team option and Tufiaf's salary is a player option. The typical max salary this year is $16,324,500.00, BUT according to Larry Coon's salary cap FAQ the max salary for a player is never less than 105% of his previous year's salary (HERE), so Melo's max salary for next year would be $18,006,705. So, if they decline the option on Walker and renounce Chandler's rights (that would be pretty dumb) they would have either $14,330,703 or $15,574,699 in cap room, depending on which website you believe.

So, to sign Melo to a max deal the Knicks would have to dump either $3,676,002 or $2,432,006 depending on which site. If Melo wants his current contract extended to get the fullest amount of money he is allowed the Knicks would have to dump approximately a half million dollars more than the above numbers.

Melo to the Knicks is going to take a whole lot of work, and it is going to leave them very little wiggle room in the future to sign anything of value because the combination of Melo's and Amare's salaries are going to grow from a combined ~$36 million to a combined ~$47 million in 2014-2015.

 
Rudy Gay just hit an awesome fall away game winner over LeBron.

Moments before, Bosh had a comically bad defensive possession, where he stood motionless watching Mike Conley walk right in front of him to the basket and lay it in.

This is not going as planned.

 
Rudy Gay just hit an awesome fall away game winner over LeBron.Moments before, Bosh had a comically bad defensive possession, where he stood motionless watching Mike Conley walk right in front of him to the basket and lay it in.This is not going as planned.
Zach Randolph was abusing Bosh. Bosh is not even an average defender, he's terrible.
 
Rudy Gay just hit an awesome fall away game winner over LeBron.Moments before, Bosh had a comically bad defensive possession, where he stood motionless watching Mike Conley walk right in front of him to the basket and lay it in.This is not going as planned.
Riley will add a big guy who can bang and Mike Miller will help the offense flow a little better. True, it's not going as planned, but Memphis took the Celtics to overtime and has played a lot of close games.
 
Rudy Gay just hit an awesome fall away game winner over LeBron.Moments before, Bosh had a comically bad defensive possession, where he stood motionless watching Mike Conley walk right in front of him to the basket and lay it in.This is not going as planned.
Zach Randolph was abusing Bosh. Bosh is not even an average defender, he's terrible.
Randolph is no slouch on the block, but I can't really disagree.Oh, Haslem was hurt in the game too. Their front line is atrocious right now. I have no idea why they haven't picked up Dampier yet.
 
Riley will add a big guy who can bang
From where? Unless you're talking about a useless slug like Dampier. The Heat also have no tradeable assets. Unless a team just decides to hand them a free player, they're out of luck there.
Someone like Eddie Curry in February. And Magliore will get more minutes.
:lmao:
Just throwing out names that desperate Heat fans have mentioned. The Heat just needs some big guys that can block out and rebound. The name being mentioned now is Dexter Pittman. Riley must've thought that he could contribute if he kept him. Ira Winderman, Heat writer for the Sun Sentinel starts out his latest column with "size matters.'
 
Blake Griffin might have had one of the top ten in game dunks in NBA history. Amazing. His line tonight:

37 Pts, 12 Reb, 7 Ast

5 mins left

 
Blake Griffin conducting an in game dunk contest against the Knicks. Going to be a good ending. Amare-31, Gallo-27, Blake-37, Gordon-25 with about 5.5 minutes left.

Watching on ATDHE and it is with the Clippers crew. They have to be the biggest tool homers announcers I have ever listened to. One guy acts like a spoiled superstar and refuses to admit the Clippers do anything wrong and complains whenever a call goes against them. Pretty funny listening to his partner who is much more realistic try to reason with him and then give up.

 
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Riley will add a big guy who can bang
From where? Unless you're talking about a useless slug like Dampier. The Heat also have no tradeable assets. Unless a team just decides to hand them a free player, they're out of luck there.
Someone like Eddie Curry in February. And Magliore will get more minutes.
Who would have thought that after spending all that money on the Big 3 that Eddy Curry would be Miami's savior this season?
 
Riley will add a big guy who can bang
From where? Unless you're talking about a useless slug like Dampier. The Heat also have no tradeable assets. Unless a team just decides to hand them a free player, they're out of luck there.
I love those comments. Us Bullets fans have been searching for a big man for decades. Every time the local sports radio shows take calls on what the Bullets/Wizards need to win the next year, the callers always say we need a big man and act as if they grow on trees.
 
So have Knick fans given up on trading for Melo this year? Chandler is playing the same as always (other than a HUGE uptick in blocks, which is weird), Gallinari has lost his stroke, Randolph is showing that he is never going to amount to anything, the only young guy playing well is Fields.

I haven't looked into the Knicks cap situation until today, they are on the hook for about 42.5 million next year plus a $3.1 million dollar qualifying offer for Wilson Chandler. To get Melo in free agency, assuming the CBA stays similar to what it is now, they would have to start giving players away again. Unless Melo wants to take less than the Max, his only options as of right now (cap wise) are stay in Denver, go to NJ, Indiana, Memphis, Minnesota, OKC or Sacramento.
Gallo has found his stroke. AR is not going to be a franchise type player like some Knicks fans were hyping him to be, but the season is young and he's coming off an ankle injury. He can become an energy type of guy who can defend and rebound. I believe the Knicks will have cap room to sign Melo. Felton is a young guy and is playing very well.
Here is their cap situation, The Column on the left is from hoops world and the column on the right is hoops hype.Amar'e Stoudemire $18,232,500 $18,217,705

Raymond Felton $8,316,000 $7,500,000

Ronny Turiaf $4,100,000 $4,360,000

Danilo Gallinari $4,190,182 $4,190,182

Timofey Mozgov $3,240,000 $2,566,800

Wilson Chandler $3,099,851 $3,099,851

Anthony Randolph $2,911,231 $2,911,231

Toney Douglas $1,145,640 $1,145,640

Bill Walker $916,100 $916,100

Andy Rautins $788,872 $788,872

Landry Fields $788,872 $788,872

TOTAL $44,629,397 $43,385,402

The total is including everybody except Chandler. Chandler's salary above is his qualifying offer. Bill Walker's Salary is a team option and Tufiaf's salary is a player option. The typical max salary this year is $16,324,500.00, BUT according to Larry Coon's salary cap FAQ the max salary for a player is never less than 105% of his previous year's salary (HERE), so Melo's max salary for next year would be $18,006,705. So, if they decline the option on Walker and renounce Chandler's rights (that would be pretty dumb) they would have either $14,330,703 or $15,574,699 in cap room, depending on which website you believe.

So, to sign Melo to a max deal the Knicks would have to dump either $3,676,002 or $2,432,006 depending on which site. If Melo wants his current contract extended to get the fullest amount of money he is allowed the Knicks would have to dump approximately a half million dollars more than the above numbers.

Melo to the Knicks is going to take a whole lot of work, and it is going to leave them very little wiggle room in the future to sign anything of value because the combination of Melo's and Amare's salaries are going to grow from a combined ~$36 million to a combined ~$47 million in 2014-2015.
I think Turiaf and his contract would be an easy move if they desired to go that route.
 
I was at that game last night....I assure you those dunks were as nasty in real life.When Gallinari started to turn his back on the fast break, I was like holy crap this is going to be exciting.

 
Riley will add a big guy who can bang
From where? Unless you're talking about a useless slug like Dampier. The Heat also have no tradeable assets. Unless a team just decides to hand them a free player, they're out of luck there.
I love those comments. Us Bullets fans have been searching for a big man for decades. Every time the local sports radio shows take calls on what the Bullets/Wizards need to win the next year, the callers always say we need a big man and act as if they grow on trees.
Well, to be fair to Heat 'fans' they did just have Lebron land in their lap, so maybe it's not unreasonable to expect Dwight Howard or Tim Duncan to just show up one day as well.
 
So have Knick fans given up on trading for Melo this year? Chandler is playing the same as always (other than a HUGE uptick in blocks, which is weird), Gallinari has lost his stroke, Randolph is showing that he is never going to amount to anything, the only young guy playing well is Fields.

I haven't looked into the Knicks cap situation until today, they are on the hook for about 42.5 million next year plus a $3.1 million dollar qualifying offer for Wilson Chandler. To get Melo in free agency, assuming the CBA stays similar to what it is now, they would have to start giving players away again. Unless Melo wants to take less than the Max, his only options as of right now (cap wise) are stay in Denver, go to NJ, Indiana, Memphis, Minnesota, OKC or Sacramento.
Gallo has found his stroke. AR is not going to be a franchise type player like some Knicks fans were hyping him to be, but the season is young and he's coming off an ankle injury. He can become an energy type of guy who can defend and rebound. I believe the Knicks will have cap room to sign Melo. Felton is a young guy and is playing very well.
Here is their cap situation, The Column on the left is from hoops world and the column on the right is hoops hype.Amar'e Stoudemire $18,232,500 $18,217,705

Raymond Felton $8,316,000 $7,500,000

Ronny Turiaf $4,100,000 $4,360,000

Danilo Gallinari $4,190,182 $4,190,182

Timofey Mozgov $3,240,000 $2,566,800

Wilson Chandler $3,099,851 $3,099,851

Anthony Randolph $2,911,231 $2,911,231

Toney Douglas $1,145,640 $1,145,640

Bill Walker $916,100 $916,100

Andy Rautins $788,872 $788,872

Landry Fields $788,872 $788,872

TOTAL $44,629,397 $43,385,402

The total is including everybody except Chandler. Chandler's salary above is his qualifying offer. Bill Walker's Salary is a team option and Tufiaf's salary is a player option. The typical max salary this year is $16,324,500.00, BUT according to Larry Coon's salary cap FAQ the max salary for a player is never less than 105% of his previous year's salary (HERE), so Melo's max salary for next year would be $18,006,705. So, if they decline the option on Walker and renounce Chandler's rights (that would be pretty dumb) they would have either $14,330,703 or $15,574,699 in cap room, depending on which website you believe.

So, to sign Melo to a max deal the Knicks would have to dump either $3,676,002 or $2,432,006 depending on which site. If Melo wants his current contract extended to get the fullest amount of money he is allowed the Knicks would have to dump approximately a half million dollars more than the above numbers.

Melo to the Knicks is going to take a whole lot of work, and it is going to leave them very little wiggle room in the future to sign anything of value because the combination of Melo's and Amare's salaries are going to grow from a combined ~$36 million to a combined ~$47 million in 2014-2015.
I think Turiaf and his contract would be an easy move if they desired to go that route.
I know I will just be a sour milk Denver fan when Melo goes :cry: , but I hope he enjoys his 30 win season there in NY..... :football: and the fans riding him everytime he has a bad game. He is loved here in Colorado and has been given free pass after free pass by Nugget fans--NY fans won't be so forgiving.His career in Denver right now is like a staggering sick horse. Everyone knows what needs to be done and what is going to happen, but no one has the balls to just come out and make it happen.

Now that's out of the way--Great vids JMON!!

 
Steelfan7 said:
Update for GogginsKnicks 6-8Rockets 3-9
According to ESPN, the Rockets have had the 5th hardest schedule so far. The Knicks' schedule has been 29th. The West is still better than the East, so the Knicks will have this strength of schedule advantage the whole way but not to the extent we've seen so far. I think it's up in the air which team will finish higher. If Yao misses most of the season, certainly the advantage goes to the Knicks.BTW, the East is starting out so weak, the Rockets could have a better record than the Knicks but the Rockets find themselves in the lottery while the Knicks manage the 7th or 8th seed. Basically, that pick swap doesn't seem to be worth much.
 
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SoBeDad said:
timschochet said:
Miami is 8 and 5. That means, in order to win my bet, they need to go 58 and 11 the rest of the way...
I guess you'll be rooting for Lebron and Dwayne on December 25. BTW, Mike Miller might return for that game.
Nah, that's hopefully gonna be one of the 11...
 
Steelfan7 said:
Update for Goggins

Knicks 6-8

Rockets 3-9
According to ESPN, the Rockets have had the 5th hardest schedule so far. The Knicks' schedule has been 29th. The West is still better than the East, so the Knicks will have this strength of schedule advantage the whole way but not to the extent we've seen so far. I think it's up in the air which team will finish higher. If Yao misses most of the season, certainly the advantage goes to the Knicks.BTW, the East is starting out so weak, the Rockets could have a better record than the Knicks but the Rockets find themselves in the lottery while the Knicks manage the 7th or 8th seed.

Basically, that pick swap doesn't seem to be worth much.
Which has been my point all along. Most people love to point out that the Knicks gave up 2 1st rd picks when they really only gave up one and the option for the Rockets to flip 1st rd picks which may not even happen or for the most part be a meaningless swap of a couple spots in the late teens or early twenties range.
 
So have Knick fans given up on trading for Melo this year? Chandler is playing the same as always (other than a HUGE uptick in blocks, which is weird), Gallinari has lost his stroke, Randolph is showing that he is never going to amount to anything, the only young guy playing well is Fields.

I haven't looked into the Knicks cap situation until today, they are on the hook for about 42.5 million next year plus a $3.1 million dollar qualifying offer for Wilson Chandler. To get Melo in free agency, assuming the CBA stays similar to what it is now, they would have to start giving players away again. Unless Melo wants to take less than the Max, his only options as of right now (cap wise) are stay in Denver, go to NJ, Indiana, Memphis, Minnesota, OKC or Sacramento.
Gallo has found his stroke. AR is not going to be a franchise type player like some Knicks fans were hyping him to be, but the season is young and he's coming off an ankle injury. He can become an energy type of guy who can defend and rebound. I believe the Knicks will have cap room to sign Melo. Felton is a young guy and is playing very well.
Here is their cap situation, The Column on the left is from hoops world and the column on the right is hoops hype.Amar'e Stoudemire $18,232,500 $18,217,705

Raymond Felton $8,316,000 $7,500,000

Ronny Turiaf $4,100,000 $4,360,000

Danilo Gallinari $4,190,182 $4,190,182

Timofey Mozgov $3,240,000 $2,566,800

Wilson Chandler $3,099,851 $3,099,851

Anthony Randolph $2,911,231 $2,911,231

Toney Douglas $1,145,640 $1,145,640

Bill Walker $916,100 $916,100

Andy Rautins $788,872 $788,872

Landry Fields $788,872 $788,872

TOTAL $44,629,397 $43,385,402

The total is including everybody except Chandler. Chandler's salary above is his qualifying offer. Bill Walker's Salary is a team option and Tufiaf's salary is a player option. The typical max salary this year is $16,324,500.00, BUT according to Larry Coon's salary cap FAQ the max salary for a player is never less than 105% of his previous year's salary (HERE), so Melo's max salary for next year would be $18,006,705. So, if they decline the option on Walker and renounce Chandler's rights (that would be pretty dumb) they would have either $14,330,703 or $15,574,699 in cap room, depending on which website you believe.

So, to sign Melo to a max deal the Knicks would have to dump either $3,676,002 or $2,432,006 depending on which site. If Melo wants his current contract extended to get the fullest amount of money he is allowed the Knicks would have to dump approximately a half million dollars more than the above numbers.

Melo to the Knicks is going to take a whole lot of work, and it is going to leave them very little wiggle room in the future to sign anything of value because the combination of Melo's and Amare's salaries are going to grow from a combined ~$36 million to a combined ~$47 million in 2014-2015.
I think Turiaf and his contract would be an easy move if they desired to go that route.
I know I will just be a sour milk Denver fan when Melo goes :shock: , but I hope he enjoys his 30 win season there in NY..... :shrug: and the fans riding him everytime he has a bad game. He is loved here in Colorado and has been given free pass after free pass by Nugget fans--NY fans won't be so forgiving.His career in Denver right now is like a staggering sick horse. Everyone knows what needs to be done and what is going to happen, but no one has the balls to just come out and make it happen.

Now that's out of the way--Great vids JMON!!
I think you are being delusional if you think NY is a 30 win team with Melo & Amare. Knicks are about a 40 win team this yr without Melo. He also will be loved in NY. Who knows what is going to happen though. Hard to tell what goes on in the minds of these pampered twenty something millionaires.
 
The Heat are going to have some major issues for the next month or two. Haslem tore a ligament in his foot and its sounding like he might be out for a couple months. Here is the link from ESPN.

 
The Heat are going to have some major issues for the next month or two. Haslem tore a ligament in his foot and its sounding like he might be out for a couple months. Here is the link from ESPN.
Don't worry the Calvary in the name of Eddy Curry is coming soon to rescue the Lebron gang.
 
The Heat are going to have some major issues for the next month or two. Haslem tore a ligament in his foot and its sounding like he might be out for a couple months. Here is the link from ESPN.
Don't worry the Calvary in the name of Eddy Curry is coming soon to rescue the Lebron gang.
:confused:
seems like the perfect opportunity for Memphis to trade away their future to Miami and thus start the rebuilding process yet again.
 
Gasol became just the third player in NBA history with at least 20 points, five rebounds and five assists while making at least five shots and five free throws without a miss.Why do the Lakers know about that statistical oddity? Because Matt Barnes became the second player to do it two days earlier, scoring 24 points in a perfect performance at Minnesota. Charles Barkley is the only other NBA player to accomplish the feat, doing it during the 1988-89 season.
 
Gasol became just the third player in NBA history with at least 20 points, five rebounds and five assists while making at least five shots and five free throws without a miss.Why do the Lakers know about that statistical oddity? Because Matt Barnes became the second player to do it two days earlier, scoring 24 points in a perfect performance at Minnesota. Charles Barkley is the only other NBA player to accomplish the feat, doing it during the 1988-89 season.
That Gasol trade to the Lakers still pisses me off hence my previous post
 
Steelfan7 said:
Update for Goggins

Knicks 6-8

Rockets 3-9
According to ESPN, the Rockets have had the 5th hardest schedule so far. The Knicks' schedule has been 29th. The West is still better than the East, so the Knicks will have this strength of schedule advantage the whole way but not to the extent we've seen so far. I think it's up in the air which team will finish higher. If Yao misses most of the season, certainly the advantage goes to the Knicks.BTW, the East is starting out so weak, the Rockets could have a better record than the Knicks but the Rockets find themselves in the lottery while the Knicks manage the 7th or 8th seed.

Basically, that pick swap doesn't seem to be worth much.
Which has been my point all along. Most people love to point out that the Knicks gave up 2 1st rd picks when they really only gave up one and the option for the Rockets to flip 1st rd picks which may not even happen or for the most part be a meaningless swap of a couple spots in the late teens or early twenties range.
THe pick swap isn't looking all that significant now, but I still think the total haul was a great job by Morey. Mystified that Houston is playing so poorly.

 
Riley will add a big guy who can bang
From where? Unless you're talking about a useless slug like Dampier. The Heat also have no tradeable assets. Unless a team just decides to hand them a free player, they're out of luck there.
Someone like Eddie Curry in February. And Magliore will get more minutes.
I'm not sure if you are serious with the Curry stuff, but without traded 2 of Haslem/Miller/Anthony or one of the big 3 he is pretty much impossible for the Heat to get. The best chance for the Heat to get a decent player from now to April/May is for somebody to get bought out. I wouldn't be surprised to Stojakovic (seems almost like a forgone conclusion), Redd (If he can come back at all), Curry (If he can't be traded), Kenyon Martin (If Melo is traded), Tayshaun (small chance, if he isn't traded), Foster (if he's healthy and they can't trade him) to get bought out after the trade deadline sometime, and they would all likely have MIA at the top of their wish list.
 
Steelfan7 said:
Update for Goggins

Knicks 6-8

Rockets 3-9
According to ESPN, the Rockets have had the 5th hardest schedule so far. The Knicks' schedule has been 29th. The West is still better than the East, so the Knicks will have this strength of schedule advantage the whole way but not to the extent we've seen so far. I think it's up in the air which team will finish higher. If Yao misses most of the season, certainly the advantage goes to the Knicks.BTW, the East is starting out so weak, the Rockets could have a better record than the Knicks but the Rockets find themselves in the lottery while the Knicks manage the 7th or 8th seed.

Basically, that pick swap doesn't seem to be worth much.
Which has been my point all along. Most people love to point out that the Knicks gave up 2 1st rd picks when they really only gave up one and the option for the Rockets to flip 1st rd picks which may not even happen or for the most part be a meaningless swap of a couple spots in the late teens or early twenties range.
THe pick swap isn't looking all that significant now, but I still think the total haul was a great job by Morey. Mystified that Houston is playing so poorly.
I don't find it all that surprising, they have a goofy blend of talent. They need to trade some of their talent to get some players that can both play a little defense and a little offense. When nearly every player is either a sieve on defense and a potent offensive player (Brooks, Yao, Buddinger, Martin, Miller and to a lesser extent Scola) or a good defensive player but a poor offense player (Battier, Jefferies, Lee, Hayes, Hill). The only guy who can typically play a little on both ends is Lowry but he is having a horrific year so far.If I were the Rockets I would be shopping Brooks and a couple of their defensive specialists. Maybe get the Thunder to bite on a Brooks+Lee+Hayes for Maynor+Harden+ a first. Or Maybe if the Nuggets trade Melo somewhere get something like Billups for Brooks+Hill+Jefferies if they think they can turn it around soon. Or maybe go a little bigger and offer Battier+1st (a good one)+Hill+Jeffries for Granger+Posey.

 

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