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[Kev4029]

money to sign a Melo next year

I thought the only way it would work was if they were to trade for him, for they won't have the cap space available next year.

New York doesn't want to let facts get in the way of a good story.

 

[Kev4029]

Melo would obviously help the Knicks, but he and Amare aren't exactly the perfect complements to one another. And it seems like many consider Melo to be a top level player, but he's clearly not on the LeBron/Wade/Kobe/Howard level. In fact, though it seems the Knicks have a better chance at getting Melo, Chris Paul would make them better (regardless of how well Felton is playing).

New York will never have the chance to get Paul, I'm not sure why people even consider this as a possibility.... actually I know exactly why, the NY media is ######ed and spreads baseless rumors to their uneducated fans because they don't know any better. Why don't they just trade Curry for Melo, because hes going to end up there anyway and the Nuggs should take what they can get, and while they are are at it, trade Randolph to NO for Paul because he is going to be in a Knicks uniform in a couple years anyway and just for good measure trade Fields for Iguodala even though Fields is such a good prospect... Philly would be lucky to have a player of Fields' ability. I bet Memphis would be willing to give them Mayo and Gasol as well, and maybe they could get Nash from PHX to be their sixth man. Seems reasonable to me, those teams should be honored just to have had contact with the Knicks organization.

 

[=Smackdown=]

Melo would obviously help the Knicks, but he and Amare aren't exactly the perfect complements to one another. And it seems like many consider Melo to be a top level player, but he's clearly not on the LeBron/Wade/Kobe/Howard level. In fact, though it seems the Knicks have a better chance at getting Melo, Chris Paul would make them better (regardless of how well Felton is playing).

New York will never have the chance to get Paul, I'm not sure why people even consider this as a possibility.... actually I know exactly why, the NY media is ######ed and spreads baseless rumors to their uneducated fans because they don't know any better. Why don't they just trade Curry for Melo, because hes going to end up there anyway and the Nuggs should take what they can get, and while they are are at it, trade Randolph to NO for Paul because he is going to be in a Knicks uniform in a couple years anyway and just for good measure trade Fields for Iguodala even though Fields is such a good prospect... Philly would be lucky to have a player of Fields' ability. I bet Memphis would be willing to give them Mayo and Gasol as well, and maybe they could get Nash from PHX to be their sixth man. Seems reasonable to me, those teams should be honored just to have had contact with the Knicks organization.

You're going to be crushed when Melo leaves the Nuggs to go home and play for the Knicks aren't you?

 

[Kev4029]

Melo would obviously help the Knicks, but he and Amare aren't exactly the perfect complements to one another. And it seems like many consider Melo to be a top level player, but he's clearly not on the LeBron/Wade/Kobe/Howard level. In fact, though it seems the Knicks have a better chance at getting Melo, Chris Paul would make them better (regardless of how well Felton is playing).

New York will never have the chance to get Paul, I'm not sure why people even consider this as a possibility.... actually I know exactly why, the NY media is ######ed and spreads baseless rumors to their uneducated fans because they don't know any better. Why don't they just trade Curry for Melo, because hes going to end up there anyway and the Nuggs should take what they can get, and while they are are at it, trade Randolph to NO for Paul because he is going to be in a Knicks uniform in a couple years anyway and just for good measure trade Fields for Iguodala even though Fields is such a good prospect... Philly would be lucky to have a player of Fields' ability. I bet Memphis would be willing to give them Mayo and Gasol as well, and maybe they could get Nash from PHX to be their sixth man. Seems reasonable to me, those teams should be honored just to have had contact with the Knicks organization.

You're going to be crushed when Melo leaves the Nuggs to go home and play for the Knicks aren't you?

Yes.

 

[Popinski]

Melo would obviously help the Knicks, but he and Amare aren't exactly the perfect complements to one another. And it seems like many consider Melo to be a top level player, but he's clearly not on the LeBron/Wade/Kobe/Howard level. In fact, though it seems the Knicks have a better chance at getting Melo, Chris Paul would make them better (regardless of how well Felton is playing).

New York will never have the chance to get Paul, I'm not sure why people even consider this as a possibility.... actually I know exactly why, the NY media is ######ed and spreads baseless rumors to their uneducated fans because they don't know any better. Why don't they just trade Curry for Melo, because hes going to end up there anyway and the Nuggs should take what they can get, and while they are are at it, trade Randolph to NO for Paul because he is going to be in a Knicks uniform in a couple years anyway and just for good measure trade Fields for Iguodala even though Fields is such a good prospect... Philly would be lucky to have a player of Fields' ability. I bet Memphis would be willing to give them Mayo and Gasol as well, and maybe they could get Nash from PHX to be their sixth man. Seems reasonable to me, those teams should be honored just to have had contact with the Knicks organization.

Um ok thanks.

 

[simmonjm]

What a great game Knicks vs Nuggs, Amare got in foul trouble and the game looked out of reach but Amare came back into the game and hit some big shots leading Knicks to victory. Amare put himself in Knicks record book with his 8th straight 30 point game.

 

[Juxtatarot]

What a great game Knicks vs Nuggs, Amare got in foul trouble and the game looked out of reach but Amare came back into the game and hit some big shots leading Knicks to victory. Amare put himself in Knicks record book with his 8th straight 30 point game.

Big two games coming up for them this week against Boston and the Heat. Knicks have been playing a lot of teams with poor defenses recently. We'll see if the Knicks can compete.

 

[simmonjm]

What a great game Knicks vs Nuggs, Amare got in foul trouble and the game looked out of reach but Amare came back into the game and hit some big shots leading Knicks to victory. Amare put himself in Knicks record book with his 8th straight 30 point game.

Big two games coming up for them this week against Boston and the Heat. Knicks have been playing a lot of teams with poor defenses recently. We'll see if the Knicks can compete.

It never ends with you guys. Winning 13/14 games regardless of who you play is impressive and yet if Knicks lose to both Celtics and Heat they suck.

 

[Juxtatarot]

What a great game Knicks vs Nuggs, Amare got in foul trouble and the game looked out of reach but Amare came back into the game and hit some big shots leading Knicks to victory. Amare put himself in Knicks record book with his 8th straight 30 point game.

Big two games coming up for them this week against Boston and the Heat. Knicks have been playing a lot of teams with poor defenses recently. We'll see if the Knicks can compete.

It never ends with you guys. Winning 13/14 games regardless of who you play is impressive and yet if Knicks lose to both Celtics and Heat they suck.

You're making things up now.

 

[Steelfan7]

Melo would obviously help the Knicks, but he and Amare aren't exactly the perfect complements to one another. And it seems like many consider Melo to be a top level player, but he's clearly not on the LeBron/Wade/Kobe/Howard level. In fact, though it seems the Knicks have a better chance at getting Melo, Chris Paul would make them better (regardless of how well Felton is playing).

New York will never have the chance to get Paul, I'm not sure why people even consider this as a possibility.... actually I know exactly why, the NY media is ######ed and spreads baseless rumors to their uneducated fans because they don't know any better. Why don't they just trade Curry for Melo, because hes going to end up there anyway and the Nuggs should take what they can get, and while they are are at it, trade Randolph to NO for Paul because he is going to be in a Knicks uniform in a couple years anyway and just for good measure trade Fields for Iguodala even though Fields is such a good prospect... Philly would be lucky to have a player of Fields' ability. I bet Memphis would be willing to give them Mayo and Gasol as well, and maybe they could get Nash from PHX to be their sixth man. Seems reasonable to me, those teams should be honored just to have had contact with the Knicks organization.

Fields and his contract>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Iggy and his contract

 

[Steelfan7]

money to sign a Melo next year

I thought the only way it would work was if they were to trade for him, for they won't have the cap space available next year.

Knicks will have very tradeable players on 1 yr deals that can be dealt to clear space for Melo if he decides to sign with NY.

 

[Steelfan7]

Amare's contract will immediately become an albatross for whichever team is foolish enough to grossly overpay him.

 

[Steelfan7]

Melo will only sign extension with Knicks

 

[Gadfly]

The Lakers were playing lethargically again today but Kobe refused to let them lose to the Nets, scoring 25 of his 32 points in the second half and dishing out two key assists in the final two minutes. Is Clavin going to change the thread title to reflect this?

 

[Cliff Clavin]

The Lakers were playing lethargically again today but Kobe refused to let them lose to the Nets, scoring 25 of his 32 points in the second half and dishing out two key assists in the final two minutes. Is Clavin going to change the thread title to reflect this?

 

[Kev4029]

Melo will only sign extension with Knicks

Well, that changes things a bit.

 

[Kev4029]

money to sign a Melo next year

I thought the only way it would work was if they were to trade for him, for they won't have the cap space available next year.

Knicks will have very tradeable players on 1 yr deals that can be dealt to clear space for Melo if he decides to sign with NY.

Thats true, but if they need to clear 4 million or so dollars which would probably mean giving away some decent talent and renouncing Chandler's rights. They would end up with something like Felton, Fields, Melo, Amare, Gallo, Turiaf and 7 minimum salary players.... A poor man's version of the Miami Heat.

 

[Gadfly]

The Lakers were playing lethargically again today but Kobe refused to let them lose to the Nets, scoring 25 of his 32 points in the second half and dishing out two key assists in the final two minutes. Is Clavin going to change the thread title to reflect this?

That's what I figured. Haters gonna hate. Can't wait to see what you come up with when the Lakers win their third consecutive title.

 

[simmonjm]

Thats true, but if they need to clear 4 million or so dollars which would probably mean giving away some decent talent and renouncing Chandler's rights. They would end up with something like Felton, Fields, Melo, Amare, Gallo, Turiaf and 7 minimum salary players.... A poor man's version of the Miami Heat.

 

[Kev4029]

Thats true, but if they need to clear 4 million or so dollars which would probably mean giving away some decent talent and renouncing Chandler's rights. They would end up with something like Felton, Fields, Melo, Amare, Gallo, Turiaf and 7 minimum salary players.... A poor man's version of the Miami Heat.

I'm not sure whats funny about that... thats pretty much how its going to work. Do you think thats gonna be better than the Heat?

 

[timschochet]

The Lakers were playing lethargically again today but Kobe refused to let them lose to the Nets, scoring 25 of his 32 points in the second half and dishing out two key assists in the final two minutes. Is Clavin going to change the thread title to reflect this?

That's what I figured. Haters gonna hate. Can't wait to see what you come up with when the Lakers win their third consecutive title.

L.A. wins 3rd title in unconvincing fashion. Worst dynasty team ever?

 

[simmonjm]

Thats true, but if they need to clear 4 million or so dollars which would probably mean giving away some decent talent and renouncing Chandler's rights. They would end up with something like Felton, Fields, Melo, Amare, Gallo, Turiaf and 7 minimum salary players.... A poor man's version of the Miami Heat.

I'm not sure whats funny about that... thats pretty much how its going to work. Do you think thats gonna be better than the Heat?

Im laughing because you have been wrong about everything related to Knicks and Carmelo.

 

[Juxtatarot]

What a great game Knicks vs Nuggs, Amare got in foul trouble and the game looked out of reach but Amare came back into the game and hit some big shots leading Knicks to victory. Amare put himself in Knicks record book with his 8th straight 30 point game.

Big two games coming up for them this week against Boston and the Heat. Knicks have been playing a lot of teams with poor defenses recently. We'll see if the Knicks can compete.

It never ends with you guys. Winning 13/14 games regardless of who you play is impressive and yet if Knicks lose to both Celtics and Heat they suck.

You're making things up now.

To elaborate further, here's how I see the East:Tier 1 (in no particular order): Boston, Orlando, Miami

Tier 2: Bulls, Hawks

Tier 3: Knicks, Pacers

Tier 4: Bucks

I don't see any other team having much of a chance at finishing above .500. I'm getting the feeling Knicks fans think they are at least in tier 2. If they perform well at home the next 2 games, the Knicks are making a strong case. If they get blown out, I'll assume my tiers are accurate.

 

[boubucarow]

To elaborate further, here's how I see the East:

Tier 1 (in no particular order): Boston, Orlando, Miami

Tier 2: Bulls, Hawks

Tier 3: Knicks, Pacers

Tier 4: Bucks

I don't see any other team having much of a chance at finishing above .500. I'm getting the feeling Knicks fans think they are at least in tier 2. If they perform well at home the next 2 games, the Knicks are making a strong case. If they get blown out, I'll assume my tiers are accurate.

You mean like the Bulls against the Celtics and Magic. I know the Bulls have played a significantly harder schedule but too much emphasis is put on small stretches in the season.

 

[Juxtatarot]

To elaborate further, here's how I see the East:

Tier 1 (in no particular order): Boston, Orlando, Miami

Tier 2: Bulls, Hawks

Tier 3: Knicks, Pacers

Tier 4: Bucks

I don't see any other team having much of a chance at finishing above .500. I'm getting the feeling Knicks fans think they are at least in tier 2. If they perform well at home the next 2 games, the Knicks are making a strong case. If they get blown out, I'll assume my tiers are accurate.

You mean like the Bulls against the Celtics and Magic. I know the Bulls have played a significantly harder schedule but too much emphasis is put on small stretches in the season.

Bulls didn't get blown out to Boston at home. And, yes, strength of schedule makes a difference. Knicks have done exceptionally well recently but against bad opponents. IMO, however, they don't have the defense to be a top Eastern team. You're correct, a couple of games don't make a season, but if they do well, I might start to believe.

 

[Steelfan7]

To elaborate further, here's how I see the East:

Tier 1 (in no particular order): Boston, Orlando, Miami

Tier 2: Bulls, Hawks

Tier 3: Knicks, Pacers

Tier 4: Bucks

I don't see any other team having much of a chance at finishing above .500. I'm getting the feeling Knicks fans think they are at least in tier 2. If they perform well at home the next 2 games, the Knicks are making a strong case. If they get blown out, I'll assume my tiers are accurate.

You mean like the Bulls against the Celtics and Magic. I know the Bulls have played a significantly harder schedule but too much emphasis is put on small stretches in the season.

Bulls didn't get blown out to Boston at home. And, yes, strength of schedule makes a difference. Knicks have done exceptionally well recently but against bad opponents. IMO, however, they don't have the defense to be a top Eastern team. You're correct, a couple of games don't make a season, but if they do well, I might start to believe.

NY has wins over Chicago, NO and Denver. I wouldn't call them bad opponents. They lost to Boston at Boston early in season by only 4 and next night gave game away at Portland. Yes they have been beating up on some losing teams, but that is life in the Eastern Conf.

 

[Juxtatarot]

To elaborate further, here's how I see the East:

Tier 1 (in no particular order): Boston, Orlando, Miami

Tier 2: Bulls, Hawks

Tier 3: Knicks, Pacers

Tier 4: Bucks

I don't see any other team having much of a chance at finishing above .500. I'm getting the feeling Knicks fans think they are at least in tier 2. If they perform well at home the next 2 games, the Knicks are making a strong case. If they get blown out, I'll assume my tiers are accurate.

You mean like the Bulls against the Celtics and Magic. I know the Bulls have played a significantly harder schedule but too much emphasis is put on small stretches in the season.

Bulls didn't get blown out to Boston at home. And, yes, strength of schedule makes a difference. Knicks have done exceptionally well recently but against bad opponents. IMO, however, they don't have the defense to be a top Eastern team. You're correct, a couple of games don't make a season, but if they do well, I might start to believe.

NY has wins over Chicago, NO and Denver. I wouldn't call them bad opponents. They lost to Boston at Boston early in season by only 4 and next night gave game away at Portland. Yes they have been beating up on some losing teams, but that is life in the Eastern Conf.

I discount the win over the Bulls since the Knicks shot 16-24 on 3s. That's obviously an anomaly. New Orleans has struggled since their great start. Nuggets are a below average defensive team.How do you rank the East at this point? Differently than me?

 

[Steelfan7]

To elaborate further, here's how I see the East:

Tier 1 (in no particular order): Boston, Orlando, Miami

Tier 2: Bulls, Hawks

Tier 3: Knicks, Pacers

Tier 4: Bucks

I don't see any other team having much of a chance at finishing above .500. I'm getting the feeling Knicks fans think they are at least in tier 2. If they perform well at home the next 2 games, the Knicks are making a strong case. If they get blown out, I'll assume my tiers are accurate.

You mean like the Bulls against the Celtics and Magic. I know the Bulls have played a significantly harder schedule but too much emphasis is put on small stretches in the season.

Bulls didn't get blown out to Boston at home. And, yes, strength of schedule makes a difference. Knicks have done exceptionally well recently but against bad opponents. IMO, however, they don't have the defense to be a top Eastern team. You're correct, a couple of games don't make a season, but if they do well, I might start to believe.

NY has wins over Chicago, NO and Denver. I wouldn't call them bad opponents. They lost to Boston at Boston early in season by only 4 and next night gave game away at Portland. Yes they have been beating up on some losing teams, but that is life in the Eastern Conf.

I discount the win over the Bulls since the Knicks shot 16-24 on 3s. That's obviously an anomaly. New Orleans has struggled since their great start. Nuggets are a below average defensive team.How do you rank the East at this point? Differently than me?

So you discount Knicks wins vs good teams and also discount Knicks wins vs lesser teams. Gotcha.

 

[Juxtatarot]

So you discount Knicks wins vs good teams and also discount Knicks wins vs lesser teams. Gotcha.

Context. I'm writing from the position that the Knicks aren't as good as their fans think they are. My opinion of them has improved. Going into the season I thought they were a fringe playoff team. Amare and Felton have played better than I thought they would and this Fields kid has come out of nowhere. I now think they are a definite 6 to 8 seed. Again, how do you see things?

 

[Juxtatarot]

To elaborate further, here's how I see the East:

Tier 1 (in no particular order): Boston, Orlando, Miami

Tier 2: Bulls, Hawks

Tier 3: Knicks, Pacers

Tier 4: Bucks

I don't see any other team having much of a chance at finishing above .500. I'm getting the feeling Knicks fans think they are at least in tier 2. If they perform well at home the next 2 games, the Knicks are making a strong case. If they get blown out, I'll assume my tiers are accurate.

You mean like the Bulls against the Celtics and Magic. I know the Bulls have played a significantly harder schedule but too much emphasis is put on small stretches in the season.

Thinking about it more, this is a great example. The Bulls had the opportunity to show the league that they should be included with the top 3. They failed.

 

[=Smackdown=]

Melo will only sign extension with Knicks

Well, that changes things a bit.

How is this news to anyone?

It's only about the 10th report we've seen here in NY where Melo wants to come home and only play for the Knicks. He is not signing an extension with any other team.

The Nuggs are losing more & more leverage with each passing day.

 

[Steelfan7]

So you discount Knicks wins vs good teams and also discount Knicks wins vs lesser teams. Gotcha.

Context. I'm writing from the position that the Knicks aren't as good as their fans think they are. My opinion of them has improved. Going into the season I thought they were a fringe playoff team. Amare and Felton have played better than I thought they would and this Fields kid has come out of nowhere. I now think they are a definite 6 to 8 seed. Again, how do you see things?

Maybe, but I believe they are better than what you think they are. Knicks are a 4 to 6 seed in the East. They are not an elite team nor a title contender, but they are a solid playoff team. They do have some flaws in that they lack big man depth and I'm worried that playing the starters for 40 minutes a game will catch up to them later in the season.

 

[Sammy3469]

So you discount Knicks wins vs good teams and also discount Knicks wins vs lesser teams. Gotcha.

Context. I'm writing from the position that the Knicks aren't as good as their fans think they are. My opinion of them has improved. Going into the season I thought they were a fringe playoff team. Amare and Felton have played better than I thought they would and this Fields kid has come out of nowhere. I now think they are a definite 6 to 8 seed. Again, how do you see things?

I don't think anyone is claiming this is 96 Bulls, but they are at least 6th best team in the East right now and exciting to watch. FWIW, I actually think their are tiers with Chicago being their own tier at #4 and Atlanta/Knicks on the 5/6 line until we know how healthly Johnson is and if/when/what the package is that gets sent to Denver for Melo.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Melo will only sign extension with Knicks

Well, that changes things a bit.

How is this news to anyone?

It's only about the 10th report we've seen here in NY where Melo wants to come home and only play for the Knicks. He is not signing an extension with any other team.

The Nuggs are losing more & more leverage with each passing day.

He's from Baltimore.

He wants to play for the Knicks because he craves the spotlight, and also because I believe his new wife is some sort of reality show fame whore who wants to be in a "cool" city.

 

[Kev4029]

Melo will only sign extension with Knicks

Well, that changes things a bit.

For what its worth, here is a Denver Post article that refutes that league source... a battle between unnamed sources!

A source told ESPN.com that Anthony will only sign the three-year, $65-million extension if traded only to the Knicks. But a league source refuted this alleged ultimatum to The Denver Post on Sunday afternoon.

There is nothing more in journalism that I hate than anonymous sources, so take this all with a grain of salt.ETA: I just noticed that the Melo to NY article was written by Chris Sheridan, I wonder if his sources are the same ones that assured him of Lebron going to NY for the entire year last year. It makes me feel a little better that the article was written by Sheridan instead of the hundreds of respectable journalists that cover sports in the US.

 

[Kev4029]

Melo will only sign extension with Knicks

Well, that changes things a bit.

How is this news to anyone?

It's only about the 10th report we've seen here in NY where Melo wants to come home and only play for the Knicks. He is not signing an extension with any other team.

The Nuggs are losing more & more leverage with each passing day.

He's from Baltimore.

He wants to play for the Knicks because he craves the spotlight, and also because I believe his new wife is some sort of reality show fame whore who wants to be in a "cool" city.

He was born in Brooklyn and lived there for a fair share of his childhood, then moved to Baltimore when he was something like 8 years old.

 

[BlueDemon]

Before Boozer and they got thru the circus trip. I feel Rose is as good as if not better than MJ and the same stage in his career. When MJ first arrived in the league the status quo were not very fond of him and even shunned him at the All-Star game, second season he was hurt then he came on with vengence once Pippen and Grant came on board. With Boozer in the mix now, D Rose is just starting to climb the steps to the TOP. His shooting has improved tremendously, he is cutting down on TO's and unless you are living in a cave there is no one in the league that is as quick as him with the ball.

To elaborate further, here's how I see the East:

Tier 1 (in no particular order): Boston, Orlando, Miami

Tier 2: Bulls, Hawks

Tier 3: Knicks, Pacers

Tier 4: Bucks

I don't see any other team having much of a chance at finishing above .500. I'm getting the feeling Knicks fans think they are at least in tier 2. If they perform well at home the next 2 games, the Knicks are making a strong case. If they get blown out, I'll assume my tiers are accurate.

You mean like the Bulls against the Celtics and Magic. I know the Bulls have played a significantly harder schedule but too much emphasis is put on small stretches in the season.

Thinking about it more, this is a great example. The Bulls had the opportunity to show the league that they should be included with the top 3. They failed.

 

[Kev4029]

Before Boozer and they got thru the circus trip. I feel Rose is as good as if not better than MJ and the same stage in his career. When MJ first arrived in the league the status quo were not very fond of him and even shunned him at the All-Star game, second season he was hurt then he came on with vengence once Pippen and Grant came on board. With Boozer in the mix now, D Rose is just starting to climb the steps to the TOP. His shooting has improved tremendously, he is cutting down on TO's and unless you are living in a cave there is no one in the league that is as quick as him with the ball.

To elaborate further, here's how I see the East:

Tier 1 (in no particular order): Boston, Orlando, Miami

Tier 2: Bulls, Hawks

Tier 3: Knicks, Pacers

Tier 4: Bucks

I don't see any other team having much of a chance at finishing above .500. I'm getting the feeling Knicks fans think they are at least in tier 2. If they perform well at home the next 2 games, the Knicks are making a strong case. If they get blown out, I'll assume my tiers are accurate.

You mean like the Bulls against the Celtics and Magic. I know the Bulls have played a significantly harder schedule but too much emphasis is put on small stretches in the season.

Thinking about it more, this is a great example. The Bulls had the opportunity to show the league that they should be included with the top 3. They failed.

Wow.... Maybe you don't remember Jordan, but in his third year he averaged 37.1 ppg, 4.6 apg, 5.2 rpg and had a 29.8 PER. He was first team all NBA, and was in the first year of probably the best statistical 5 year span of any player in the history of the NBA. That is the most misinformed opinion I have ever heard in here, and I don't think it is even close.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Melo will only sign extension with Knicks

Well, that changes things a bit.

How is this news to anyone?

It's only about the 10th report we've seen here in NY where Melo wants to come home and only play for the Knicks. He is not signing an extension with any other team.

The Nuggs are losing more & more leverage with each passing day.

He's from Baltimore.

He wants to play for the Knicks because he craves the spotlight, and also because I believe his new wife is some sort of reality show fame whore who wants to be in a "cool" city.

He was born in Brooklyn and lived there for a fair share of his childhood, then moved to Baltimore when he was something like 8 years old.

Just my opinion, but I think it's a real stretch to say that this decision has anything to do with "coming home," unless you think he just wants to come back to the east coast. He left when he was 8. All of his friends and family are in Baltimore. There's three teams that play closer to his friends and family than the Knicks.

This is a spotlight/fame/wife-driven decision, not a sentimental "coming home" decision.

 

[Kev4029]

Just my opinion, but I think it's a real stretch to say that this decision has anything to do with "coming home," unless you think he just wants to come back to the east coast. He left when he was 8. All of his friends and family are in Baltimore. There's three teams that play closer to his friends and family than the Knicks. This is a spotlight/fame/wife-driven decision, not a sentimental "coming home" decision.

I'm not arguing, just letting you know. I think its much more wife driven than anything else.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Just my opinion, but I think it's a real stretch to say that this decision has anything to do with "coming home," unless you think he just wants to come back to the east coast. He left when he was 8. All of his friends and family are in Baltimore. There's three teams that play closer to his friends and family than the Knicks. This is a spotlight/fame/wife-driven decision, not a sentimental "coming home" decision.

I'm not arguing, just letting you know. I think its much more wife driven than anything else.

I know. I just think it's interesting how the PR is being spun in the wake of LeBron's free agency PR disaster. The guy who returns home to bail out the tough-luck franchise of his home town is a hero; the guy who demands to play for the Big Apple at the behest of his MTV star wife, not so much. Compare it to Shaq, who felt no need to alter the narrative about his decision to go to L.A. The post-Decision NBA is more image-conscious then ever.

 

[BlueDemon]

I saw MJ and if you read my statement it was not until year three when Jordan erupted, but MJ had no one with him at the time. This is D Rose's 3rd year and the improvement he has shown from last year to this year makes me think that he he is every bit the player MJ was at the same time in his career. If D Rose continues to escalate at this rate the sky's the limit.

Maybe I am misinformed but I have been a Bulls fan my whole life and I am just throwing out what I see.

Rose 25 ppg, 8.1 apg, 41.6% 3pt 46.6% FG

Jordan 37.1 ppg, 4.6 apg, .182% 3pt, 48.6 % FG

I don't know I guess I really don't know what I'm watching...thanks for setting me straight. To think Bull fans really wanted Michael Beasley, just like they wanted Sam Bowie.

Before Boozer and they got thru the circus trip. I feel Rose is as good as if not better than MJ and the same stage in his career. When MJ first arrived in the league the status quo were not very fond of him and even shunned him at the All-Star game, second season he was hurt then he came on with vengence once Pippen and Grant came on board. With Boozer in the mix now, D Rose is just starting to climb the steps to the TOP. His shooting has improved tremendously, he is cutting down on TO's and unless you are living in a cave there is no one in the league that is as quick as him with the ball.

To elaborate further, here's how I see the East:

Tier 1 (in no particular order): Boston, Orlando, Miami

Tier 2: Bulls, Hawks

Tier 3: Knicks, Pacers

Tier 4: Bucks

I don't see any other team having much of a chance at finishing above .500. I'm getting the feeling Knicks fans think they are at least in tier 2. If they perform well at home the next 2 games, the Knicks are making a strong case. If they get blown out, I'll assume my tiers are accurate.

You mean like the Bulls against the Celtics and Magic. I know the Bulls have played a significantly harder schedule but too much emphasis is put on small stretches in the season.

Thinking about it more, this is a great example. The Bulls had the opportunity to show the league that they should be included with the top 3. They failed.

Wow.... Maybe you don't remember Jordan, but in his third year he averaged 37.1 ppg, 4.6 apg, 5.2 rpg and had a 29.8 PER. He was first team all NBA, and was in the first year of probably the best statistical 5 year span of any player in the history of the NBA. That is the most misinformed opinion I have ever heard in here, and I don't think it is even close.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I saw MJ and if you read my statement it was not until year three when Jordan erupted, but MJ had no one with him at the time. This is D Rose's 3rd year and the improvement he has shown from last year to this year makes me think that he he is every bit the player MJ was at the same time in his career. If D Rose continues to escalate at this rate the sky's the limit.Maybe I am misinformed but I have been a Bulls fan my whole life and I am just throwing out what I see.Rose 25 ppg, 8.1 apg, 41.6% 3pt 46.6% FGJordan 37.1 ppg, 4.6 apg, .182% 3pt, 48.6 % FGI don't know I guess I really don't know what I'm watching...thanks for setting me straight. To think Bull fans really wanted Michael Beasley, just like they wanted Sam Bowie.

No.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I saw MJ and if you read my statement it was not until year three when Jordan erupted, but MJ had no one with him at the time. This is D Rose's 3rd year and the improvement he has shown from last year to this year makes me think that he he is every bit the player MJ was at the same time in his career. If D Rose continues to escalate at this rate the sky's the limit.Maybe I am misinformed but I have been a Bulls fan my whole life and I am just throwing out what I see.Rose 25 ppg, 8.1 apg, 41.6% 3pt 46.6% FGJordan 37.1 ppg, 4.6 apg, .182% 3pt, 48.6 % FGI don't know I guess I really don't know what I'm watching...thanks for setting me straight. To think Bull fans really wanted Michael Beasley, just like they wanted Sam Bowie.

No.

Jordan shot 18% from 3pt range while scoring 37 ppg?

 

[TobiasFunke]

I saw MJ and if you read my statement it was not until year three when Jordan erupted, but MJ had no one with him at the time. This is D Rose's 3rd year and the improvement he has shown from last year to this year makes me think that he he is every bit the player MJ was at the same time in his career. If D Rose continues to escalate at this rate the sky's the limit.Maybe I am misinformed but I have been a Bulls fan my whole life and I am just throwing out what I see.Rose 25 ppg, 8.1 apg, 41.6% 3pt 46.6% FGJordan 37.1 ppg, 4.6 apg, .182% 3pt, 48.6 % FGI don't know I guess I really don't know what I'm watching...thanks for setting me straight. To think Bull fans really wanted Michael Beasley, just like they wanted Sam Bowie.

No.

Jordan shot 18% from 3pt range while scoring 37 ppg?

12 of 66, i.e. less than one attempt a game. It wasn't really part of his repertoire yet. Makes you wonder why BlueDemon chose it as one of the four points of comparison over, say, rebounds or steals or free throws or advanced stats, but he has been a Bulls fan his whole life, so maybe we should defer to him.

 

[saintfool]

I saw MJ and if you read my statement it was not until year three when Jordan erupted, but MJ had no one with him at the time. This is D Rose's 3rd year and the improvement he has shown from last year to this year makes me think that he he is every bit the player MJ was at the same time in his career. If D Rose continues to escalate at this rate the sky's the limit.Maybe I am misinformed but I have been a Bulls fan my whole life and I am just throwing out what I see.Rose 25 ppg, 8.1 apg, 41.6% 3pt 46.6% FGJordan 37.1 ppg, 4.6 apg, .182% 3pt, 48.6 % FGI don't know I guess I really don't know what I'm watching...thanks for setting me straight. To think Bull fans really wanted Michael Beasley, just like they wanted Sam Bowie.

No.

Jordan shot 18% from 3pt range while scoring 37 ppg?

infamous "jordan rules" though stated that each 3-pter was worth 100 pts.

 

[Courtjester]

Melo will only sign extension with Knicks

Well, that changes things a bit.

How is this news to anyone?

It's only about the 10th report we've seen here in NY where Melo wants to come home and only play for the Knicks. He is not signing an extension with any other team.

The Nuggs are losing more & more leverage with each passing day.

If there wasn't a pending lockout you would be right, but if Denver doesn't blink and says, "We're not trading you," Melo is facing the real possibility of losing 15-20 million under a new CBA. I think the closer we get to February, you will see his list of places he would go get bigger. Denver still has cards to play here, no whether they will, who knows. Either way, I fear my favorite team is on the verge of a fire sale here in the very near future.

 

[Kev4029]

Melo will only sign extension with Knicks

Well, that changes things a bit.

How is this news to anyone?

It's only about the 10th report we've seen here in NY where Melo wants to come home and only play for the Knicks. He is not signing an extension with any other team.

The Nuggs are losing more & more leverage with each passing day.

If there wasn't a pending lockout you would be right, but if Denver doesn't blink and says, "We're not trading you," Melo is facing the real possibility of losing 15-20 million under a new CBA. I think the closer we get to February, you will see his list of places he would go get bigger. Denver still has cards to play here, no whether they will, who knows. Either way, I fear my favorite team is on the verge of a fire sale here in the very near future.

The good news about that is Billups would likely be dealt, so Lawson will get the burn he deserves and we can avoid the terrible play of Billups. The only thing between Billups being about the worst starting PG going right now is the fact that he is still getting to the line as well as anybody... well actually that and Carlos Arroyo.

 

[LHUCKS]

Melo will only sign extension with Knicks

Well, that changes things a bit.

How is this news to anyone?

It's only about the 10th report we've seen here in NY where Melo wants to come home and only play for the Knicks. He is not signing an extension with any other team.

The Nuggs are losing more & more leverage with each passing day.

If there wasn't a pending lockout you would be right, but if Denver doesn't blink and says, "We're not trading you," Melo is facing the real possibility of losing 15-20 million under a new CBA. I think the closer we get to February, you will see his list of places he would go get bigger. Denver still has cards to play here, no whether they will, who knows. Either way, I fear my favorite team is on the verge of a fire sale here in the very near future.

Melo is from Brooklyn...he is going to the Knicks and a lack of money won't stop that. Denver is going to get screwed unless they get on board.

 

[Sammy3469]

Melo will only sign extension with Knicks

Well, that changes things a bit.

How is this news to anyone?

It's only about the 10th report we've seen here in NY where Melo wants to come home and only play for the Knicks. He is not signing an extension with any other team.

The Nuggs are losing more & more leverage with each passing day.

If there wasn't a pending lockout you would be right, but if Denver doesn't blink and says, "We're not trading you," Melo is facing the real possibility of losing 15-20 million under a new CBA. I think the closer we get to February, you will see his list of places he would go get bigger. Denver still has cards to play here, no whether they will, who knows. Either way, I fear my favorite team is on the verge of a fire sale here in the very near future.

I think everyone is expecting that the players are going to have their salaries cut across the board (ie the cap goes from 58 million to 48 million, then everyone already signed would have their contract reduced by 83%).